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>> the british house of commons is in summer recess through august. we take a look back at some of the major events that took place in parliament in the last few months including the uk's decision to leave the european union and the resignation of prime minister david cameron. courtesy of bbc parliament, this is an hour. ♪ prime minister cameron: i will do everything i can as prime minister to steady the ship over the coming weeks and months but i do not think it would be right for me as captain to steer our country to the next destination. >> the morning after the night before.
in a major upset for the political establishment, the eu referendum ended in victory for the leave campaign, it was a humiliation for david cameron. it was not meant to be like this. 30 months before, david cameron had been triumphant, winning a general election outright against the odds. one month before, the queen had come to parliament in the time honored tradition to set out the government. the conservative government, barely in its stride. >> the legislation will be introduced to prevent radicalization. our government will continue to work to offer services seven days of the week.
for a british bill of rights. in england, further problems will be devolved. my government will hold a referendum on membership in the european union. keith: moments there from the first minutes of parliament. james landale joins us now in the studio. may the 18th, how do you think prime minister cameron saw the script continuing at that point? james: there was a huge sense of expectation. the referendum was about to happen. the queen's speech was a holding pattern. one or two nods to his legacy issues. those kinds of issues that in his head, he would have a few years to work on. he was in that mode. people in westminster and beyond clearly thought the referendum would be close but most thought
remain would net it in the end. he had won referendums in the past and he could do it again. he is famously known as the crisis prime minister. blocking victory from defeat in the last moment and that was the general expectation at the time. >> the referendum campaign had been slowly climbing up the nation's agenda. the campaign groups had been formed for the leave and remain sides. brexit was the new catchword for those that want it to leave the eu. the remain side never found anything to match it. >> jobs are dependent on us remaining in europe. >> that is when david cameron began to tour the country.
meanwhile in parliament, the former london mayor boris johnson was highlighting to a committee session his distaste for what he saw as interfering rules from the european union. >> one of the rules, the ludicrous rules, that you cite -- it says you cannot recycle a teabag and that children under eight cannot blow up balloons. adult supervision is required in the case of the use of balloons by children under age. i have to say that in my household, it is only children under eight that use balloons. i do think it is absolutely ludicrous to have this kind of prescription. >> at the european level --
>> children under 8 can suffocate. it is not requiring -- >> it is requiring that it be placed on the packaging. >> chancellor george osborne and his team made their claim. house values would tumble. holidays would cost more. the average family would be an astonishingly specific number of pounds less off. were they exaggerated at the treasury committee? >> interest rates going up. house prices going to slump. i just wonder if you are strengthening or weakening your argument by going in for all of
this stuff. >> i completely reject all that you have said because the impact on the economy has been supported by the bank of england, the director of the imf. >> leave campaigners said the regime was being used against them. >> i think you will find you cannot keep up that website. >> we will look at our legal advice. >> expect a letter for action. >> moving on -- the trade union -- taking down the website -- >> the leavers stepped up their campaign. dominic cummings, a behind the
scenes figure. >> the leave campaign is setting up their analysis. what will you be publishing? >> all sorts of analysis about international trade and how we think this will improve. >> do you not think leaving europe puts a risk on companies like hitachi? >> if remain-ers were keeping the debate on economic gloom, leave campaigners were concentrating on immigration and the huge issue of free movement
of labor within the eu area. the arguments were emerging at the pmq's. >> and yet the propaganda sheets sent out maintain that we control our borders. is the sheet untrue? the truth is this -- economic migrants that come to the european union do not have the right to come to the u.k. this is classic of the scare stories that we get. >> one other moment is worth recalling. >> if the british people vote to leave the european union, will the prime minister remain in
office? >> yes. >> not exactly born out by events. the comments held their own eu debate. >> it is about who governs us. if we get this wrong, we will not be able to organize and establish a democracy in this country which is what the people fought and died for twice. >> he feared a leave victory. >> the pound will plunge. inflation will go up. we will be caught in an economic whirlwind. it is a scandalous position to take. >> there are no economic benefits. 92% of fishermen are calling for the u.k. to leave.
i say, let us throw them a lifeline. >> it is typical to see how even the most upbeat brexiteer cannot see that we could experience months of job destroying uncertainty taking this country back to the dark days of 2008. i never want to go there again. >> less than 24 hours after that debate, the referendum campaign came to a shuddering halt. with reports of the stabbing and shooting involving the mp joe cox. according to the press association -- >> joe cox was the first member of parliament to be murdered since the assassination of a conservative at the hands of the ira in 1990.
the public was shocked that the brutal killing of an mp could possibly happen. a 52-year-old man was charged in her murder. the campaign stopped for three days. parliament returned for a referendum break. her seat was empty save for two roses. a minute of silence was observed for the murdered mp. >> colleagues, we meet today in heartbreaking sadness but also in heartfelt solidarity. any death in such awful circumstances is an outrage and a tragedy. >> her community and the whole country have been united in grief. and united in rejecting the well of hatred that killed her. we need, mr. speaker, a kinder and gentler politics.
we all have a responsibility in this house and beyond, not to whip up hatred and division. >> i first met joe in 2006. she was doing what she was so brilliant at. working in a dangerous part of the world fighting for the lives of refugees. >> not long after she had her son, she came to give me a briefing. the baby came also. she literally did not stop kissing him through the meeting. >> no one will replace her. >> i like to think it was the deep strong roots in her community that enabled her to grasp the world with so much love. >> i was in awe of joe.
she was fit, beautiful, passionate -- i cannot ever recall seeing her sad or without hope. she once told me in oxfam that she did not do touchy-feely and i was being too emotional. and we needed to get on with that. [laughter] >> and we needed to sort out the campaign we were working on. >> the public wondered at the shock of the mp's murder. the referendum campaign ended its final days. there was one big tv event to come at london's wembley arena. the leave and remain campaigns fought it out. >> if we leave and take back
control, i believe this thursday could be our country's independence day. [applause] >> referendum day, the 23rd of june was marked by flash flooding and torrential rain. a portent of the drama to come. one and a half hours in political editor noticed , a something about the voting trends in one of the places likely to declare early, summerlin. number of votes in favor of leaf was 82,000. goodness, don't anyone go
to bed yet. >> there are certainly a lot of traders who thought remain had a good night now selling out of sterling as quickly as they can. >> we have had many more places where leave is doing better than expected. that is very good for leave. they are winning in a place where remain was expected to win. >> i have to face the possibility that leave will win this referendum and britain will leave the european union. >> we have to face up to the fact that large parts of the country are turning away from both of the main parties. >> you can see southeast, northwest, yorkshire, east of england, and wales all going towards leave. >> in the small hours, the man
who devoted years of his life to fighting eu was triumphant. >> this will be a victory for real people victory for ordinary , a people. >> the game was up for the remain camp. victory lay with leave. >> the british people have spoken and the answer is, they are out. >> for many, it was a bemusing moment. the sense of bewilderment was only added to outside of 10 downing street. foreign ministerr cameron: i was clear about my belief that britain is stronger, safer, and better off inside the european union. but the british people have made a very clear decision to take a different path. as such, i think the country requires fresh leadership to take it in this direction. i will do everything i can as prime minister to steady the ship over the coming weeks and months. but i do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain that steers our country to its next destination.
keith: david cameron with the dramatic resignation announcement. james landale is with me again. how much of a thunderbolt was it, the eu referendum result? james: it was a huge shock. there had always been some doubt. david cameron at the time said -- i genuinely do not know which way this will go. there was a realization that it would be tight. in the heart of hearts, they always thought they would win. to lose and to lose as convincingly as they did was a huge shock to the government. this was not how the script was supposed to go. >> the conventional wisdom of referendums is governments only call them when they think they can win them. and the floating voters always swing in behind the status quo. >> two points to that. one, david cameron was forced to
call this referendum some time ago, well before the last general election. he was forced to do so to seal off the threat from ukip and to maintain conservative party unity. had he not promised this referendum, many believe the tories would have divided and fought amongst themselves and they would've been less likely to win the election. in terms of those floating voters and most people tend to swing to the status quo in referendums. that is true of most referendums, but not european union referendums. if you look at other roof in referendums, towards the end there has always been a swing towards the euro skeptic cause. >> did david cameron have any option at all not to have this referendum? >> it would have been very difficult for him. this is one of those issues that has been dividing british politics and voters for many years. there was a sense that it was
coming to a head. that at some point, the british people had to be given a chance to express their own views in a fundamental binary way. this was the moment that it happened. it would have been difficult for david cameron not to do it. other people say, ok, have the referendum but he could have , campaigned in a different way. >> he looked very somber. was he a set man at that on the point 24th of june? >> regretful, i think. this is not how he wanted to go. he was being forced out of 10 downing street with a slight lack of decorum that he would have liked. many thought that this is the way british democracy works. there has been an extraordinary vote by the people, but he took the view that he had not gotten the confidence of the people and he had to go quicker than expected. he told me before the election that he wanted to serve a full second term.
well, it certainly was not to be. >> thank you very much. we will talk again in a few moments. both sides spent the weekend after the results recovering from the shock of the leave victory. the commons regrouped monday afternoon. foreign minister cameron: it was not the result that i wanted nor the outcome i believe is best for the country i love but there can be no doubt about the result. leaving the eu is not the path i recommended, but i am the first to praise the incredible strength of our country. as we proceed with implementing this decision and facing the challenges it will bring, i believe we should hold fast to a vision of britain that wants to be respected abroad, tolerant at home, engaged in the world, and working with our international partners to evolve the prosperity and security of our nation for generations to come. >> jeremy corbyn criticized the way the referendum was fought. >> half-truths were told. many of which key leave figures
spent the weekend distancing there i.s from >> in scotland, mr. speaker, we voted to remain because we are a european nation. it really matters to us that we live in an outward looking country, not a diminished britain. in scotland, we are being told from westminster that despite the majority against leave, we are going to have to do what we are told. we are going to be taken out of europe against our will. >> the voters of the united kingdom have demonstrated the value of that great principle, the principle of democracy for which people fought and died. i can accept defeat but i will , not give up. i have not changed my beliefs. >> leaving aside the constitutional turmoil, the
damage to the economy and the , uncertainty that hangs over britain's place in the world, the leaders of the brexit campaign have engendered an atmosphere where some people believe it is open season for racism. could i ask him also to say today and to condemn very clearly those people who are decentimplying that people all over this country that voted to leave the european union are somehow closet racists. >> will the prime minister agree with me that when he says the country needs to come together, does he accept that the first part of that is that everyone has to accept the results of the referendum whether they like it or not? >> the mood in the lords was far from celebratory. >> that there would be no bad thing if the campaigning
organizations on both sides should shut up shop. i respect the outcome of the referendum, but i suspect that like many i am profoundly saddened by the results. i have a deep anxiety about what the future holds for our country. >> whatever the result of this referendum, and our decision to union thisuropean , country has not given up its values. we are still the united kingdom. our values remain exactly as they were. >> on friday morning, i woke not only with a song in my heart, but also with the words of the -- in my heart, that is he has put down the mighty from their seat and he has exalted the humble and the meek. >> a few days later came the verdict of the archbishop of canterbury.
>> the course of the campaign was both robust as it should be on such great issues but at times, both sides were not just robust but unacceptable. through those comments were created cracks in the thin crust of the politeness and tolerance of our society through which since the referendum we have seen an out welling of poison and hatred that i cannot remember in this country for many years. >> how about this verdict from a former cabinet secretary? >> i do not remember us in an unholy mess as we are in now , except perhaps after the affair. it is an existential and a political crisis. >> david cameron argued that matters were out of his hands. remain campaigners and labor
were getting agitated. >> we know that many millions of people in this country felt they were deceived by the exaggerations and lies in the campaigns of both parties and , they now feel themselves cheated by that result and millions of people have protested. isn't it right that we look again at the possibility of a second referendum in the votesnty that all second are always superior. >> it was not just in the commons that there was a call for a second referendum. the lords joined in as well. >> in the interest of democracy the british people must be given dealhance to vote on the to leave the eu once we know what it is and how much it will cost. >> dear god, wasn't one referendum enough? i can't believe people would want another >> soon after that, one. it was confirmed that the parliamentary debate would be held on the issue of a second eu referendum in early september. it was a curious political
symmetry in the weeks after the referendum. uniquely, there was turmoil in both the conservatives and the labour party. the apparent halfhearted support for the remain campaign by the labor leader jeremy corbyn led to the extraordinary spectacle of firstly, a motion of no confidence in his leadership being passed by his mps, and then a deliberate series of resignations by the majority of his front bench team. it was all resigned to force the labor leader out. but, battered and embattled, jeremy corbyn refused to resign. >> the prime minister has two months left. will he leave a one nation legacy and will that one nation legacy be the scrapping of the bedroom tax, the banning of zero
hours contracts, and canceling the cuts of the universal credit? by mr. cameron: i have to say prime minister cameron? : i have to say that he talks about job insecurity and my two months to go. it might be in my party's interest for him to sit there. for heavens' sake man, go. >> david cameron stepped up the mockery as he welcomed the mp. prime minister cameron: i advise her to keep her mobile phone on, she may be in the shadow cabinet by the end of the day. >> the conservatives could not afford to gloat too much. they had their own leadership difficulties. candidates came forward as potential candidates. one declared herself like this. >> i think i know the best person to be prime minister. inthere was huge interest
lively borislways a livel johnson would seek the top job. boris johnson was knifed politically by the justice minister. >> what he did not have is the capacity to build and lead the team and provide the leadership the country needs at this critical moment. >> the loss of support from a former ally and his followers led to the shocking withdrawal from the contest to be leader of the conservative party. >> in view of the circumstances in parliament, i have concluded that person cannot be me. >> boris supporters were despondent. when the majority of conservative mps turned against him, that left just one leave campaigner in the leadership woman, andrea. everyone expected a nine week battle between her and theresa may. and then came her interview in newspaper and one
more twist. >> i am withdrawing from the leadership election. keith: which left theresa may. she became britain's 54th prime minister without a contest. without a word of understatement, a huge amount of fallout from the eu referendum result. james landale is with me once again. it was curious that there was not any celebration for the leave. in fact, some of the key leaders left. they did not seize the initiative at all. james: there is an old saying that revolutions tend to eat their old children. that is what happened with the leave campaign. remember, some members of the leave campaign did not think they were going to win. particularly those that thought they had a chance for leadership. they thought they were establishing positions for themselves, showing they had a good fight, a good campaign, so
they could present themselves in other leadership ways. we have actually got to deal with this now. one of the great criticisms made of the leave campaign was that they had said we should leave the european union but they were , not clear about what would happen next. what kind of relationship would the u.k. forge with other countries outside of the european union? what did it actually mean? at that point, there was a sense of hiatus rather than a celebration of victory. they celebrated that they won the campaign, but instantly it turned into a battle about who is going to lead the party. everybody knew that cameron was going, therefore the leadership campaign got underway, and that took any precedent over what it means for britain. extraordinary that there should be two parallel lines of leadership. that happened never before. rare, but ifetty
you think about both were forced , by the results. david cameron had announced his resignation because of his defeat. and also, jeremy corbyn's perceived lack of enthusiasm for the remain campaign was one of the triggers that convinced his opponents within the labour party, the parliamentary party that they had to get rid of him and they had to act. here was a moment with a pretext , a reason to say look to the labour party, we will be in favor of leaving the eu. jeremy corbyn was lackluster in their view in the way he campaigned. this is why we cannot carry on with him as leader. he is one of the factors that many labor voters did not come out to support the remain campaign. to be attracted to a ukip style of message. that triggered the labor leadership contest. >> nine years ago, tony blair left the job in a grand style with applause ringing out from all sides in the commons.
the idea obviously appealed to david cameron. he worked out how to bring to a close his tenure. the 30th of july saw his 182nd and final pmq's. prime minister cameron: mr. speaker i had meetings this , morning. other than one meeting this afternoon with her majesty the queen, the diary of the rest of my day is remarkably light. >> i have been watching five ime minister's and several ex-prime minister's. i have seen him achieving mastery of that dispatch box. unparalleled in my time. prime minister cameron: this session does have some admirers. i met mayor bloomberg in new york. everyone knew mike bloomberg. no one had a clue who i was until somebody said, cameron,
prime minister's questions, we love your show. [laughter] >> mr. speaker, it is only right that after six years as prime minister, that we thank him for his service. i have often disagreed with him. >> jeremy corbyn praised recent remarks by theresa may. >> isn't she right that too many people in too many places in britain feel their economy has townsdestroyed and they are in because the industry has gone. there are levels of high unemployment and a deep sense of malaise. we havenister cameron: got on with it. we have had resignation, competition, and coronation. they have not even decided what the rules are yet. [laughter] prime minister cameron: if they
ever got in the power it would , take them a year to figure out who was going to sit where. >> i am enjoying every moment of it. [laughter] >> the home secretary said many people find themselves exploited by unscrupulous bosses. prime minister cameron let me : say something regarding the democratic process of leadership election. i did say a couple of weeks ago that i beginning to admire his am tenacity. he reminds me of the black knight in monty python's "holy grail." [laughter] cameron: he has been kicked so many times, but keep saying "it is only a flesh wound." i admire that. hemay i ask that as no doubt
will have some plans for a slightly more relaxing wednesday morning and lunchtime, nevertheless he will still be an active participant in this house as he faces a large number of problems over the next few years. as no two people know what brexit means at the moment, we need his advice and his statesmanship as much as we ever had. for minister cameron i will : watch these exchanges from the back benches. i will miss the roar of the crowd. i will miss the barbs from the opposition. but i will be willing you on. and when i say willing you on, i don't mean just willing on the new prime minister at this dispatch box or defending the manifesto i help to put together, i mean willing all of you on. people come here with huge passion for the issues they care about. they come here with great love for the constituencies that they represent. and also willing on this place. ,because, yes, we can be pretty
tough and test our leaders. perhaps more than other countries, but that is something we should be proud of and we should keep at it. i hope you were all keep at it. and i will will you on as you do. the last thing i would say is that you can achieve a lot of things in politics. you can get a lot of things done. in the end, the public interest and the national interest is what it is all about. nothing is impossible if you put your mind to it. after all, as i once said, i was the future ones. [laughter] once. [laughter] [applause] >> with that ovation, david
cameron returned for the final time to downing street. reemerging a few hours later with family to say a few words to the waiting media, posing with wife samantha and children on the downing street steps for the final photographs before making a car journey to buckingham palace to tender his formal resignation to her majesty the queen. he had been prime minister for six years and two months. moments later, his successor theresa may made her way to buckingham palace where she was invited to form her administration. appointed her prime minister and first lord of the treasury. returning from the palace, she spoke for the first time as prime minister. >> her majesty the queen has asked me to form a new government and i accepted. we are living through an important moment in our country's history. following the referendum, we face a time of great national change.
keith: so theresa may replacing david cameron as britain's prime minister. james landale here once again. i know it is early days, but how will history record the record of prime minister david cameron? word, brexit. that will be the word that hangs around him forever. he will be the prime minister who called a referendum and lost it, and as a result, the united kingdom left the european union. however it pans out in the future, and what may ever happen, we don't know that is , something that happened on his watch. yes, the second paragraph will say here is a man that made the conservative party electable again, who brought the conservative party together and partially won one of the election and then against the odds won a second collection, a clear mandate from the british people. he was a man that was very good at being prime minister.
wouldis opponents of concede that, he was good at doing the prime ministerial thing whether it was giving , statements on grave matters and negotiating. he looked the part on the world stage. and, he did introduce some reforms. people will look at some of the education reforms he brought in, the academy's he has brought forward, the development of that whole agenda, there will be those bits that will linger within the body politic, but once they said, yes, you won a referendum to keep you 90 kingdom together, they will come back that this is a man who on his watch saw the united kingdom leave the european union. >> james, thank you very much indeed. 30 years have passed since this happened. the invasion of iraq by u.s. and
u.k. forces to destroy the regime of saddam hussein. the arguments have raged ever since into the rights and wrongs of the war in iraq and the subsequent events. had longt an inquiry been anticipated. it was 12 limes and 2.5 million words. although its findings were strong, it did not have the huge impact originally envisioned. he concluded that there had been a rush to war without peaceful options looked at and there had been too little planning for the postinvasion timeframe. mps responded to the inquiry report. >> the decision to invade iraq in 2003 on the basis of flawed intelligence about the weapons of mass destruction has had a far-reaching impact on us all. it has led to a fundamental break down in trust in politics and in our institutions of government.
the tragedy is that while the governing class got itself it so horrifically wrong, many of our people got it right. >> the lack of planning has been evident since in relation to afghanistan, libya, syria, and most recently with absolutely no plan whatsoever in regards to brexit. >> the then prime minister must take full responsibility for encouraging this house to take the decision that it did with disastrous consequences in destabilizing the world. >> the horrors of saddam hussein , what he did to his own people, were clearly documented. i think we were right to take part in that invasion. >> the ministry of defense , including the chiefs of staff were not delivering the advice , the government needed. elements of the foreign office had succumbed to a form of group
of groupthink that leaves me deeply concerned. >> whatever we think about the judgment made, we should ignore knowledge that the bond of trust between the government and the puic has been damaged by the decision that was taken in 2003. we here in this place today now have an absolute need to put that right for the future. >> in the lords, opinions differed about tony blair. >> i have never believed that he lied to the british people and i accept that he was sincere in believing that military action to remove saddam hussein was necessary as a last resort. >> to coin his own phrase, it is right that tony blair should feel the hand of history on his shoulder. >> if i was back in the same place, he said, with the same information, i would take the same decision. if that is left to stand
challenge, the report will have failed. let us be clear about that. >> those of us that have top-secret intelligence put in front of us, it is tremendously seductive. you want to believe it. you think you are extremely privileged to have access to this information, but you need wiser old heads around to say that maybe there are other considerations to take into account. >> when theresa may selected her line up of ministers, the changes were expansive and bold. not to say brutal. after 24 hours of comings and goings and downing street virtually every job in the , cap net lay in new hands. boris johnson as britain's new foreign secretary caused a sensation. a new chancellor new home , a secretary, justice secretary. there was newness everywhere. in the primessues
minister's in tray were long-standing ones like the big decision on whether to go ahead with a 31 million pound program. theresa may came to the commons. >> i call the prime minister. minister may: mr. speaker, there is no greater responsibility as prime minister then ensuring the safety and security of our people. that is why i have made it my first duty to move today's motion so we can get on with the job of renewing an essential part of our security for generations to come. >> keeping an renewing our nuclear weapons is so vital to our national security and safety. does she really think the world will be a safer place? our nuclear weapons are driving proliferation, not the opposite. may: no i don't
, accept that at all. i have to say that the honorable lady and some members of the labour party seem to be the first to defend the country's enemies and the last to accept -- >> can we cut to the chase? is she personally prepared to thatrize a nuclear strike could kill 100,000 innocent men, women, and children? prime minister may: yes. and i have to say the whole point of a deterrent is that our enemies know that we will be prepared. unlike some suggestions that we could have a nuclear deterrent but not actually be willing to use it. >> jeremy corbyn welcomed the new prime minister. >> i wish her well in that new position. i am glad her election was quick and short. [laughter] >> we are on these benches, despite our differences on some issues have always argued for , the aim of a nuclear free
world. we might differ on how it will be achieved but we are united in , our commitment to that end. they voted overwhelmingly in favor of a nuclear deterrent. >> we are to review policy. that is why we have reviews. >> the priority of this government is to spend billions of pounds on nuclear weapons that we do not want, do not need, and could never use. >> in the end, the commons back to the renewal of the trident nuclear weapon system by a majority of 355 votes. 60% of labour mps supported renewal, so going against the views of their leader, your
and underlining the deep split in labor's ranks. strong start for theresa may. she was in her place for her first prime minister question time as prime minister. interest was considerable. >> order. questions for the prime minister. may: mr. speaker, i am sure that the whole house will wish to join me in welcoming today's employment figures which shows employment at another record high. >> her government is already missing its targets on debt, deficit, welfare cap, and productivity. six years of government austerity has failed. the long-term economic plan is clearly dead. is there a new one? prime minister may: it is a long-term economic plan. it has delivered record numbers. he talks about austerity.
i call it living within our means. he talks about austerity. actually, it is about not saddling our children and grandchildren with debt. >> in her speech on the steps of downing street, she also addressed insecure workers. saying you have a job but you do not always have job security. does that mean she proposing to scrap the employment tribunal traderepeal the union act, and banning the zero hours contract? that would help to give greater job security to many worried people in this country. prime minister may: the situation of some workers who might have some job insecurity and potentially unscrupulous bosses. i suspect that there are many members on the opposition benches that might be familiar with an unscrupulous boss. a boss that does not listen to his workers.
a boss who requires some of his workers to double their workload. a boss who exploits the rules to further his own career. remind him of anybody? keith: theresa may doing her first prime minister's questions. james landale is with me once again. a remarkable clear out of ministers and officials by theresa may, obviously stamping her own authority and making it clear that she will not be cameron 2.0. james: oh, absolutely. she has made a clear statement that the cameron era is over. most people think that was a sensible decision. yes, it is difficult because you store up a lot of unhappiness on the back benches.
the camerons will be there watching everything she does and to a certain extent they will hold her to her words that she uttered on downing street. the words of one nation conservatism, helping the poor, centristss moderate positioning. the cameron team on the back benches will hold her to that. they will say, you promise this, you promise that. if she does not deliver, they will pick her up on it. that is the risk she was always going to take but she made it , very clear strategic decision that you cannot lose cameron and keep osborne. keep george osborne on as foreign secretary, that is the argument. teamook the argument, no, cameron had to go and she was quite ruthless taking them out
and saying it is my teams turn. keith: what is it going to be like for british ministers when they negotiate the whole british withdrawal from the european union and they negotiate that with their counterparts in europe? james: it will be very hard indeed. for a start, we are not used to this process. nobody knows how this is going to operate it. if you think about it, it is down to the nitty-gritty. if we leave the european union, what of the regulations that will have to apply to our farmers over the way they milk cows, over the way they spray their crops with various chemicals, what protections do we the u.k. government reinstate? what about subsidies for farmers? do we repeat the same amount? does it join the long list of
ques for other priorities? that is just some small thing. you think about all of the regulations for business, hugely technical. thousands and thousands of eu regulations will have to be looked at and worked over and the british government and the civil service will wonder if we should keep it, amend it, or ditch it entirely. that is a process that will take years. keith: thank you for joining us. once again, parliaments committees have had a lively turn shining lights in dark places. the witnesses have not always been rushing to face the mps. mike ashley is the man at the top of sports direct. it was alleged that sports direct forced many of its employees to take low rates of pay and work in a harsh regime. mr. ashley initially refused to to ask westminster questions. when he finally did,, the businessman argued that sports direct had become too big to manage.
>> it's not going out one day and you have a tiny little inflatable and you are in control. and then you wake up the next morning and you are an oil tanker. if there is a problem on the tanker, you are still responsible. >> once the organization grew, why is it so difficult? >> i have given a lot of people permanent contracts. you are not being fair. you are trying to twist what i am saying and that is not fair. that is what i fear coming to things like this. you are trying to put words in my mouth and twist what i am saying. i am telling you that it was physically impossible over the last 10 years to work with that amount of people unless we went to external agencies who were professionals.
you have to accept that the internet growth was a phenomena that none of us could have allowed for. i have to accept that sports direct has made some mistakes. you have to accept that as well. we have to look to the future. i offered you guys to come anytime you want. i will even come back in a year if you want me to. it is impossible for me to get everything done. i am one human being. >> the businessman was asked stores, theh home stores had collapsed in april. >> it is unfair. it is a no comment. >> that's fine. mr. ashley, thank you for your time. i wanted to buy bhs. >> you wanted to buy bhs?
>> and why was that stop? >> that is why i am not city trained. that's why they say they can't house train me. you asked me something and i blurt out the answer. you ask me another one, and we will keep going. >> eight days after that performance by mike ashley, a retailer with even a greater reputation in the hot seat. green, the former owner had also been reluctant to go through to a westminster interrogation. why in 2015 had sir philip sold bhs? to a man that had been declared bankrupt at least twice. >> unfortunately, there seems to be a lot of people that accepted this guy at face value. lawyers, accountants, all sorts
of other people. banks were prepared to write letters. these are the facts. unfortunately, sadly, it was the wrong moment. we can keep going over it. you said you don't want to be here for the rest of the day. would i do that deal again? no. >> and on to the idea of selling bhs to sports direct. >> you did nothing to stop the process. >> stop what, sir? >> to buy bhs. >> let me ask a sensible question. on what possible basis would i itt to stop somebody buying if they would rescue it? why? that is an insult. that is really rude. i find it really rude. >> i do apologize. i don't mean to be rude. >> excuse me.
>> you didn't want another retail billionaire to -- >> i think that is disgusting. it is a sad way to end. >> we have not finished yet. >> i think that is out of order. i think you should apologize. here is a business where if there is a bona fide buyer, i have offered to add to his purchase price for free to put money in on top of what he wanted to pay. and i'm trying to block it? that is laughable. you owe an apology. i sat here for six hours. i have not been rude to you. i am owed an apology. it has nothing to do with ego. >> sir philip green. politics is not what it used to be. the country has a woman prime minister for the second time and eight members of the cabinet are women. three of the political parties
in scotland are led by women. northern ireland is led by a woman and so is wales. male election victories are a newsworthy event. the next speaker, was a man. the former cabinet minister, norman fowler. >> i would like to thank the house very sincerely for the exceptional support they have given me and to say that i will do my utmost to live up to this trust. >> what we have seen today is a parliamentary first. the first time a man has been elected to the role of non-speaker. [laughter] >> lady smith reflecting on an unlikely glass ceiling being smashed. that is it there it parliament is now in recess after a busy and momentous term. mps are scheduled to return to westminster on monday, september
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