tv Newsmakers with Gary Johnson CSPAN August 14, 2016 10:25pm-11:01pm EDT
you just keep walking and voting. >> what is happening is a sweeping effort to disempower and disenfranchised people of color, poor people and young people from one end of our country to the other. >> watch our issue spotlight on voting rights saturday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span and c-span.org. >> joining us from las vegas on c-span's newsmakers program is former new mexico governor gary johnson. thank you very much for being with us. gov. johnson: great to be with all of you. thank you. >> joining us is david, senior correspondent for the washington examiner. also the host of the examining politics podcast which is available online governor, let me begin with the commission on presidential debates which is
set at the benchmark of 15% for you to anticipate. -- participate. the first scheduled for late september. is that a fair benchmark? >> i think the benchmark is fair. what is not there is that all the polls being conducted right now have done, and clinton and on the second or third question will ask what happens if you add johnson to the mix. right now we are pretty solidly in the 10% range. 99% of the media just reports the top two lines. what you have is a majority of people in this country don't know there is a third-party candidate. i believe if my name was just included in the top line, i would be at 20%. i and bill weld would be at the
20%. a lot of that having to do with the discontent of donald trump and clinton. bill weld and myself, libertarian candidate for president. we will be the only third party and all 50 states. >> with some new polling numbers just out today. >> governor reuters with the , poll numbers out this afternoon found clinton at 41, trump at 35 and you at 7% and jill stein at 3%. that is half, less than half of the 50% mark. what can you do between now and september to clear 15%. how are you reaching out to disaffected republicans. 35% is pretty low for a republican nominee. gov. johnson: over the last month, our numbers have doubled. seven is about as low as i have seen and i'm not trying to make an excuse for the seventh but low -- seven is about as low as i've seen in any poll.
i'm just back to my example, i daresay that that poll that was just conducted had donald trump and hillary clinton at the get-go and as an afterthought they added my name to it. 65% of americans don't even know there is a third party. our social media numbers have doubled in the last month and so we are reaching about 25 million people. we are doing it with, in our case with robust fundraising but that fundraising does not match either trump or clinton but i think it speaks volumes to just how much discontent there is out there and i think bill weld and myself are in this big lane in the middle. we are fiscally conservative and socially tolerant and accepting. we are questioning these military interventions. but at the end of the day are making the world less safe and
not more safe. if we support regime change, this is what we get. >> i was hoping you could talk to us a little bit about some of the metrics of your campaign. there has been more attention given to your campaign given the circumstances than is normally paid to a third party. can you talk to us about your fundraising, where it is at? talk to us about your campaign organization? where do think when we look at states around the country, where do you think you will do the most damage to try to score some upset victories? and possibly surprise people? gov. johnson: we think that by being in the presidential, neither of us, to former republican governors, reelected in heavily democratic states, we think that if we are in the presidential debate, anything is possible and we do believe that is a very real possibility. looking at the western states, you could look at utah, wyoming,
nevada, montana, the dakotas. alaska. on the east side, bill weld would have a list of those himself. where we might actually win outright. the idea is to win outright. i know that sounds crazy. but this is a crazy election cycle and i saw last week, two weeks ago, the projected audience for the first presidential debate is going to exceed that of the super bowl. there is no way to we have any chance of winning if we are not in that game. meaning the presidential debate. >> donald trump has raised questions on the commission, the date for the moderators, i was
they do everything they can to discourage a third-party. we are opting out, because of the relationship with the federal elections commission and it went back and forth and there was communication that tried up. questionsall of these and we are going to steer clear of that. >> what does your fundraising look like? think that it is safe to say we are at 10 times and i expect2012
robust numbers and it is a long with -- written running mate and mitt romney. will mitt romney be endorsing you and your running mate? gov. johnson: i think it would really be difficult for someone who is a prior elected republican to endorse -- certainly it is harder if you are an elected republican or democrat to cross over the line but we are seeing that. regardless of whether it's mitt romney or not, there are those that are crossing the line. i am really heartened by all of it. >> do you want his endorsement? gov. johnson: it would be terrific to have it. i'm not expecting it. i'm not expecting anybody understanding the realities of being a former elected official or an elected official. that is a tough one for those that are in the position. >> let me go back to ginger
gibson and the poll numbers from reuters, does that surprise you, that load number for the republican nominee? gov. johnson: i've always maintained that donald trump alienates more than half of republicans and a republican for me has always meant smaller government and that is what bill weld and i are. we are smaller government. on the civil liberties side, and the side of marriage equality, a woman's right to choose, legalizing marijuana, really question our military intervention. i think that also draws from democrats. we draw equally from both sides. no surprises. donald trump alienates republicans. >> governor, what about the ted cruz republicans who say they can't vote for donald trump? maybe you have encountered some
who have said they can't get behind legalizing marijuana and marriage equality and any of the other social issues. when you interact with those voters, what do you tell them? what is your pitch to say they can vote for you despite their differences? gov. johnson: it doesn't matter what you are socially as long as you don't force it on others. the come down on the side of choice on all of these issues, that is the libertarian position. the libertarian position is also -- bill weld and i are promising in the first 100 days to submit a balanced budget on how you do that. to do that you have to address medicaid and medicare, to do that reform needs to take place with regard to social security, and that is not cutting social security but reform. and it is military spending. when the pentagon itself says we could reduce u.s. bases by 20% and that has not happened, where
is the common sense here? >> i wanted to pick up on that, talk to you about how you envision your first hundred days agenda. just to get a feel your style of libertarianism. when a lot of voters, people who don't pay as much attention as we do, think about libertarians they think about the political party that doesn't believe the government should run stoplights. let it private company police the streets. gov. johnson: you know you are libertarian when you come to the intersection at 2:00 a.m., the light is red, you sit there for a second and then there is nobody coming from any direction whatsoever, so you go through the intersection. that is a libertarian trait. >> when a lot of people think of you, they think primarily about your stance on marijuana which is becoming more in vogue across the country. walk us through both domestically and internationally, foreign policywise, how you envision your presidency? what you would do in your first 100 days?
we have both clinton and trump to some degree talk about less foreign intervention. although in some ways trump is a lot more hawkish as clinton. trump has gone so far as to say he would pull the u.s. out of long-standing post-world war ii alliances. what you look back as a commander-in-chief as it relates to the traditional u.s. foreign-policy and domestically, what you try to do first? before you have lost your political capital. gov. johnson: we honor all treaties and obligations. it would be wrong to come to the office and not honor everything it is that we are obligated to do. with regard to foreign policy, i think we need to get congress involved in a declaration of war. we need to have an invincible national defense, but when we get involved in regime change that is when things get messy. not on purpose but clinton and obama backed both the opposition in libya and syria and this was not intentional, but they backed the opposition.
they armed the opposition and the opposition was aligned with isis. the opposition gets wiped out and isis ends up with all the arms. that is what we are dealing with right now. afghanistan. i supported going into afghanistan to begin with because we were attacked. make no bones about it. if we are attacked, we will attack back. we went to afghanistan to get osama bin laden and al qaeda. after seven months we wiped out al qaeda. no osama bin laden that we could have left afghanistan after seven months and kept our options open for osama bin laden. but look, getting out of afghanistan tomorrow, as bad as that situation might be, you're going to face the same consequences 20 years from now if that is when we decide to get out or forever according to some. have we not learned the lessons of history? it does not work when it comes to afghanistan. >> do you agree or disagree with donald trump when he calls the president the founder of isis and also tied hillary clinton, calling her the m.v.p.? gov. johnson: unintentional.
founder of isis, that somehow has this connotation that they support isis. no, they didn't support isis. the end result has been bet -- that unintended consequence of seeing that happen. it isn't just obama and clinton. it was going into iraq. it was getting rid of saddam hussein which was a check when it came to iran. regime change. we get involved in regime
change. we end up with all these new consequences that continue us in the state of what seems to be endless war. >> one quick follow up. going back in kind of mistakes that we could look at and if this was not done, we may not face this problem. what we are facing today is a threat from the islamic state and both republicans and democrats and people unaffiliated seem to recognize that.
there have been two isis- inspired terrorist attacks on our soil in the past year, we have seen what is been going on europe. what is your plan? do you think it requires a us-led plan to combat the threat of isis and defeat it? gov. johnson: i think that isis -- you can look at it as standard hourglass group they are regionally contained. you point out that there were terrorist actions carried out in this country that were isis
inspired. certainly not directly linked with isis, but we will see that isis threat through to its conclusion. i also think it is significant that a couple weeks ago, there was a poll among active military personnel on whom they supported for president of the united states. myself and bill weld were on top of that poll with donald trump second and clinton third. >> governor, donald trump raised a lot of eyebrows last month when he said that he would require some checks before bidding to defend a nato ally if the russians were to attack, or another country where to attack one of those nations. do you share his opinion that nato need to be reevaluated and that the treaty is outdated or do you think that the current
situation where we as a nation would move as quickly as in its -- to protect an ally should remain in place? gov. johnson: we need to honor all existing treaties and obligations. no bones about that. but the world is dynamic. government is dynamic. re-examining these treaties, do we really want to go to war over countries that were in the former soviet union? communism is dead. that was russia that led that revolution. the new world moving forward, look, the whole intention of a johnson-weld administration will be to make the world a safer place. not a less safe place. and that context, i really think the biggest threat is north korea and the fact that at some point these intercontinental ballistic missiles are going to work. from the standpoint of diplomacy, i think we should really join with china here to address this because they understand this better than anyone. we have 40,000 troops in south korea. there is no chance that north korea invades south korea conventionally. but they do have those nuclear weapons. we have been covered with our umbrella, but that is the scary part of all this. are we going to go to nuclear war with north korea? that in my opinion has to be addressed in we can do that with china and potentially have the opportunity to withdraw 40,000 troops from south korea. imagine china with 40,000 troops in central america? gov. johnson: one of the words we have been hearing a lot is temperament with regards to donald trump. do you think donald trump is the temperament to be commander-in-chief? gov. johnson: no. and i base that on all these things that he has said starting with the deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants. that has the basis in total this -- misunderstanding, building a fence across the border and am speaking now as a border state governor. when he calls mexican immigrants murderers and rapists, when in fact statistically they are more law-abiding than u.s. citizens.
they are not taking job that u.s. citizens want. we should be embracing immigration. we should make it as easy as possible for somebody that wants to come to this country and work to be able to get a work visa. they work visa should intel -- entail a background check and a social security card and applicable taxes. with regard to being inflammatory and divisive and isolationist, these are the words that donald trump seems to be uttering every single day. i think he said 150 think that would disqualify anyone else from being president of the united states and all you have to do is wait until tomorrow and it will be 153. >> speaking of domestic politics, talk to us about your position on nafta, transpacific partnership. the polling still shows there is somewhat of majority support for free trade agreements. politically there has become a bipartisan sense difficult to muster support for tdd and renegotiating or walking away from nafta. it gets you a good, loud cheer. the two major candidates, the republican and democrat, are in somewhat of agreement on trade, at least rhetorically. what would you do as president and just can throw this out
there, we talked about reducing the size and scope of government, what does that mean? gov. johnson: is there any part of government that couldn't be more efficient? i don't think any of us would suggest that government can't be more efficient and that everybody could do with less. but you can't do with less if you are not going to actually
address medicaid and medicare. those are the 800 pound gorillas in the room and we are the free trade candidates. i think that crony capitalism is alive and well in the world. chronic capitalism, very simply that is when government gets involved in these deals that unfairly give advantages to those that ultimately pay for that advantage. free trade -- i'm afraid in this country, we have come to associate free-trade and crony capitalism as one in the same when in fact they are opposites. free trade is what it implies. without government interference. government regulation, if it comes to health and safety, that is one thing. but if it comes to actually unfair advantage, meaning those that have money and influence, they pay for. i'm speaking now as the former governor of new mexico seeing this legislation passed in be -- and vetoing it whenever i saw unfair advantage.
i don't think we can achieve incoming that income equality in this country, but we can achieve an opportunity quality. that is what people generally want. make no mistake, i think that right now is an issue that there is no opportunity equality. but there can be. >> governor, there is one place in the polls where you are doing better than donald trump and that is among millennials. one might joke that it would be
your marijuana position but other than that, why do you think young people are more interested in your campaign and they are in the republican opponent? gov. johnson: i'm leading trump when it comes to millennials. if you take the 18-24 age group, actually leading among that age group. so draw your own conclusions. we have blown it. my generation has blown it. these are issues that should have been resolved long ago. they have not been. and the issues that there would be health care going forward and there would be a safety net for all of us, that there would be retirement going forward, i think young people recognize that unless something is done, it is just like i do happen and -- not going to happen and i think in people recognize the fallacy of going to war supporting regime change. >> one state you have the
possibility of picking up his utah were donald trump did poorly. he even admitted in the past week that it has been a tough state for him. just use that has one example. how do you win the state of utah? gov. johnson: i think the majority of republicans are about smaller government. that is what drew me to the republican party. but there is the social dogma that the republicans have of late, and i'm now talking about the last 20 years that social conservatives, you either on board or you are not. libertarians, they could care less whether you are socially conservative or socially liberal. just don't force it on anybody else. i think the republican party is carrying that on their back. i think when it comes to all republicans, utah, it is first and foremost about smaller government and then there is one unforgivable in life and that is hypocrisy. that is saying one thing and doing another. and i think politicians are really poor in that category, meaning saying one thing and in fact doing another. i prided myself on telling the truth. if you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. it makes things a lot simpler. >> david drucker?
>> >> in terms of where you go next, and we touched on this earlier in the conversation, is it the mountain states? is that where you can do the most damage in terms of your opponents? and how much of what you are doing in this campaign do you think could have a lasting effect versus the fact that you have got a chance at attention here because americans think so historically poorly of the two major nominees? gov. johnson: where is the representation for 43% of america that are registered as independent? i happen to think that bill weld and myself occupy the middle of what has become extreme on both sides. republicans and democrats. the scenario here is that if you vote for clinton, you vote for trump, congress -- things are going to be more polarized than ever and let's not kid ourselves, they are going to be.
either side winning. what about the scenario of libertarians winning, a couple of former republican governors serving and heavily blue states hiring libertarians, republicans, democrats, a real bipartisan administration and calling out both sides to come to the middle to deal with the issues facing this country. under those three scenarios, i think you can make a case that the third scenario might make some sense. >> finally, if you do not participate in the debates next month, then what? gov. johnson: we will keep after it. but i don't think there's any chance of winning. you can't win if you are not the super bowl and the super bowl is to see who the next president of the united states. i'm optimistic that it is going to happen. >> just to be clear, if you are not in the debates, you don't think you can win? gov. johnson: there is no way you can win the race.
that would just in my opinion defy reality. >> gary johnson is the libertarian nominee. the former governor of new mexico. he is joining us from las vegas. thank you for being with us here on c-span. we appreciate it. gov. johnson: thank you all. thank you so much. >> we continue the conversation. david, let's talk more about the race. you wrote a piece this week. the polls are not lying, donald trump is losing. >> if you look at all the data and look at the historical record of the data, we can be
pretty confident that what the polls are telling us today are correct for what is happening today. what does that mean? trump is losing to clinton. we have seen a spade of national polls in front of a saw a battleground poll. he is losing badly in some cases been that does not mean he can turn it around. one of the biggest misconceptions the voters have, maybe because they want to believe so badly that the side can win is that somehow the polling a stop sign the whole truth on purpose or accidentally bring if we look back at elections, whether midterm elections or in particular talking about a presidential election, 2012, 2008, to us and for, we have found that the national polls tend to tell us what is happening and they tend to, the very last polls between -- before election day tells us who will win. >> ginger gibson, the reuters poll shows that donald trump is struggling and yet it is only mid-august and we have seen historically that things can change pretty quickly. >> i think gary johnson made a excellent point when he said that the debates are the super bowl. they can change. that is the next inflection
point. we look at trendlines and the trendline is very bad for donald trump. it is going to take big movement for those trendlines to be altered. right now we are not seeing that happen on the campaign trail. frankly, most americans are not paying attention there more excited about michael phelps winning a gold medal than they are about watching a campaign speech. i think it is good to be those debates and for that reason, it -- if donald trump opts not to participate, that could be detrimental. he would list the stage to move the numbers in the operas of direction. >> david, is gary johnson ready for this moment? he has been getting a lot of media attention. we have been covering him. you are writing about him. he is on all the national networks. is he maximizing his opportunity? >> only time will tell. i'm not sure there's anything more he can do to maximize the moment. the one thing about politics is we tend to over think this stuff.
if they like things, they send you money. johnson is a competent third choice in this race. he has a record of being a businessman and a governor of a real actual state for two terms. he is not some gadfly. at the end of the day if you don't have a lot of american voters being inspired by a libertarian philosophy of governing. even johnson and wells, it will not be enough. we got more out of him than i expected to raise on what i seen in the past. at the end of the day, it is about anybody to turn out for you. the modern era of campaigning, one of the things that hurt any third party candidate is all of the troops on the ground and the data analytics. the voting, i agree with what ginger said, the voting starts next month. in a few weeks, absentee ballots are being mailed out. october 12, ohio starts.
by the time he gets to december 26 in the next debate, voting is well underway. this is not like 30-40 years ago when you waiting for the final seven days. -- 72 hours to start moving forward in the polls and you have a late surge or an october surprise that could blow things out. we sought -- we saw it in 2012. lot of people aren't paying attention the summer but barack obama blue mitt romney out of the water. >> you are on the campaign trail this week with donald trump. what you looking for? >> i'm looking to see if he is going to connect with voters. he is holding the rallies. he knows those people will be voting for him. what is his campaigning to reach the undecided? what is he doing to reach the
people who he could win over? from a gary johnson orate -- or from an undecided position? that is the most important thing between now and the selection. >> ginger gibson with reuters. and david drucker, senior correspondent for the washington examiner and the examining politics podcast. available on websites. to both of you, thank you so much for being with us. have a good weekend. >> thank you. the vice presidential candidate was featured in an interview this weekend. wallace: it is called a major speech on radical islamic
terrorism. he has not offered any details as to how he would beat isis. mike pence: get ready. i will be with him. he will lay out his vision and strategy for defeating radical islamic terrorism. there will be a vision and real specifics about how new leadership in the white house and a change in direction and the broad-shouldered leadership of donald trump will make things more safe. chris wallace: people are concerned about statements he makes in public. people have doubts and they are scared of donald trump. mike pence: it is early. you will see a vision for confronting radical islamic terrorism. approach, you heard an
to growing the economy. chris wallace: so, you say, don't give up? mike pence: i am just very confident. donald trumpve tomorrow and we will hear from hillary clinton and joe biden in scranton penciled -- in scranton, pennsylvania. >> the c-span radio app makes it easy and it is free to download from the apple store. for c-span radio and television and podcast times for public affairs and history programs.