Key Capitol Hill Hearings CSPAN October 20, 2016 4:33am-5:31am EDT
run, and just in that respect, i say it is rigged, because she should never, chris, she should never have been allowed to run for the presidency based on what she did with e-mails and so many other things. chris: fetzer, there is a trip -- but sir, there is a tradition in this country the peaceful transition of power, and the matter how hard fought a campaign is, at the end of the campaign, the loser concedes to the winner. not saying you are necessarily going to be the loser or the winter, but that the loser concedes to the winner and the country comes together, in part for the good of the country. are you are saying you are not prepared now -- mr. trump: what i am saying, i will tell you at the time. i will keep you in suspense. mrs. clinton: let me respond to that. because that is horrifying. every time donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he claims whatever it is, it is rigged against him. the fbi conducted a year-long investigation into my e-mails
that concluded there was no case. he said the fbi was rigged. he lost the iowa caucus, he lost the wisconsin primary, he said the republican primaries were rigged against him. then trump university get sued for fraud and racketeering. he claims the court system and the federal judge is rigged against him. there was even a time when he didn't get an emmy for his tv program three years in a row, and he started tweeting that the emmys were rigged mr. trump: i should have gotten it. [laughter] mrs. clinton: this is how donald trump thinks. it is funny, but it is also really troubling. this is not how our democracy works. we have been around for 240 years. we have had free and fair elections. we have accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them, and that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election. president obama said the other day, when you are whining about
-- before it is even finished, it just shows you are not up to doing the job. let's be clear about what he is saying and what that means. he is denigrating he is talking down our democracy, and i for 1 am appalled at somebody who is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take that kind of position. mr. trump: i think what the fbi did and what the department of justice state, including meeting with her husband, the attorney general, in the back of an airplane on the tarmac in arizona, i think that's disgraceful. i think it's a disgrace. i think we have never had a situation -- [applause] chris: hold on, folks. let's please continue the debate, and let's move on to the subject of foreign hotspots. the iraqi offensive to take back mosul has begun. if they are successful in pushing isis out of that city and out of all of iraq, the question then becomes, what happens the day after?
and that is something which whichever, whoever of view ends up as president will have to confront. will you put u.s. troops into that vacuum to make sure that isis doesn't come back or is not replaced by something even worse? secretary clinton, you go first. you have two minutes. mrs. clinton: well, i am encouraged that there is an effort led by the iraq he army, supported by -- iraqi army, supported by kurdish forces, and also, given the help and advice from the number of special forces and other americans on the ground, but i will not support putting american soldiers into iraq as an occupying force. i don't think that is in our interest, and i don't think that would be smart to do. in fact, chris, i think that would be a big red flag waving for isis to reconstitute itself. the goal here is to take back mosul. it will be a hard fight.
i have no illusions about that. and then continued to press into syria, to begin to take back and move on raqqa, which is the isis headquarters. i am hopeful that the hard work that american military advisers have done will pay off, and that we will see a really successful military operation. but we know we have lots of work to do. syria will remain a hotbed of terrorism as long as the civil war, aided and abetted by the iranians and russians, continues. i have said, we need to keep our on isis -- eye on isis. that's why i want to have an intelligence surge at home. why we have to go after them on the ground, in the air, online. why we don't want to let terrorists by weapons. if you are too dangerous to fly, you are too dangerous to buy a gun. i will continue to push for a no-fly zone and safe havens
within syria, not only to help protect the syrians and prevent the constant outflow of refugees, but to frankly gain leverage on both the syrian government and the russians so that perhaps we can have the kind of serious negotiation necessary to bring the conflict to an end and go forward on a political track. chris: mr. trump, same question. if we are able to push isis out wouldul and out of iraq, you be willing to put u.s. troops in there to prevent their return, or something else? mr. trump: let me tell you, mosul is so sad. we had mosul, but when she left, when she took everybody out, we lost mosul and now we're fighting again for mosul. they wanted to get the leaders of isis, who they felt were in mosul. three months ago, i started reading they want to get the leaders, and they are going to attack mosul. whatever happened to the element of surprise, ok?
we announce we are going after mosul. i have been reading about going after mosul for three months. these people have all left. the element of surprise, douglas macarthur, george patton, spinning in their graves when they see the stupidity of our country. so we are now fighting for mosul . all she had to do was stay there . now we are going again. you know who the big winner in mosul will be? the only reason they did it is because she's running for the office of president and they want to look tough. they want to look good. he violated the red line in the sand, and he made so many mistakes, made all the mistakes. that's why we have the great migration. but she wanted to look good for the election, so they are going in. we will take mosul eventually. by the way, if you look at what's happening, much tougher than they thought, much more dangerous, going to be more deaths than they thought. but the leaders we wanted to get
are all gone. because they are smart. so mosul is going to be a wonderful thing, andiran -- and iran should write us a letter of thank you, just like the deal, the stupidest deal of all time, that will give iran absolutely nuclear weapons. iran should write another letter saying thank you very much, because iran, as i said many years ago, iran is taking over iraq, something they have wanted to do forever, but we have made it so easy for them. we are going to take mosul, and you know who will be the beneficiary? iran. they are outsmarting -- you are not there, you might be involved in that decision, but you were there when you took everybody out of mosul and out of iraq. we should not have been in iraq -- but you did vote for it -- but once we were in iraq, you never should have left. the point is, the winners going to be iran. mrs. clinton: you know, once again donald is implying that he
didn't support the invasion of iraq. i said it was a mistake. i said that years ago. he has consistently denied -- mr. trump: ron. mrs. clinton: what is a clear fact that before the invasion he supported it. i want everybody to google it, google "donald trump iraq," and you will see the dozens of sources which verify that he was for the invasion of iraq. mr. trump: wrong. mrs. clinton: and you can actually hear the audio of him saying that. why does that matter? it matters because he has not told the truth about that position. i guess he believes it makes him look better now to contrast with me, because i did vote for it. but what is really important here is to understand all the interplay. mosul is a sunni city. mosul is on the border of syria. yes we do need to go after baghdadi, just like we went after bin laden while you were
doing "celebrity apprentice" and we brought him to justice. we need to go after the leadership, but we need to get rid of them, get rid of their fighters, their estimated several thousand fighters in mosul, who have been digging underground, who have been prepared. it is going to be tough fighting, but i think we can take back mosul and then move into syria and take back raqqa. this is what we have to do. i'm just amazed that he seems to think that the iraqi government and our allies and everybody else launched the attack on mosul to help me in this election. but that's how donald thinks. he's always looking for something. mr. trump: we don't gain anything. iran is taking over iraq. chris: secretary clinton -- secretary clinton, it is an open discussion, but -- i'm sorry, please let mr. trump speak. mrs. clinton: he proves it every time he talks. mr. trump: wikileaks action just
came out. john podesta said some horrible things about you, and boy was he right. he said some beauties. you know, bernie sanders said you have bad judgment. you do. and if you think that going into mosul after we let the world know we are going in, and all the people we really wanted, the leaders, they are all gone, if you think that was good, then you do. john podesta it said you had terrible instincts. bernie sanders said you had bad judgment. i agree with both. mrs. clinton: you should ask bernie sanders who he is supporting for president, who has campaigned for me around the country. you are the most dangerous person to ever run for president in the modern history of america. i think he is right. chris: let's turn to aleppo. mr. trump, in the last debate you were both asked about the situation in the syrian city of aleppo. i want to follow up on that, because you said several things
in that debate which were not true, sir. you said that aleppo has basically fallen. in fact, there are -- mr. trump: it is a catastrophe. have you seen it? have you seen at? have you seen what's happened to aleppo? chris: if i might finish my question. mr. trump: so it hasn't fallen. take a look at it. chris: there's a quarter of a million people still living there and being slaughtered. mr. trump: they are being slaughtered, because of bad decisions. chris: if i may just finish here. you said isis, syria, and russia are busy fighting isis. in fact, they have been the ones bombing and shelling eastern aleppo, and they just announced a humanitarian pause, admitting they have been bombing and shelling aleppo. would you like to clear that up? mr. trump: aleppo is a disaster. it is a humanitarian nightmare. but it has fallen, from any standpoint. what do you need, a signed document? take a look at aleppo.
it is so sad when you see what has happened. and a lot of this is because of hillary clinton. because what has happened, by fighting assad, who turned out to be a lot tougher than she --ught, and now she will say he's just much tougher and much smarter than her and obama. and everyone thought he was gone two years ago, three years ago. he aligned with russia. he now also aligned with iran, who we made very powerful. gave them $150 billion back. we give them $1.7 billion in cash, i mean cash, bundles of cash as big as this stage. we give them $1.7 billion. now he has aligned with russia and with iran. they don't want isis. but they have other things. because we are backing, we are backing rebels. we don't know who the rebels are. we are giving them lots of money, lots of everything. we don't know who the rebels are.
notwhen and if, and it's going to happen because you have russia and iran, but if they ever did overthrow assad, you might end up with as bad as assad, but you may very well and up with worse than assad. if she did nothing, we would be in much better shape. and this is what has caused the great migration, where she's taking in tens of thousands of syrian refugees, who probably, in many cases, not probably, who definitely in many cases are isis-aligned, and we now have them in our country. wait until you see -- this will be the great trojan horse. wait until you see what happens in the coming years. lots of luck, hillary. thanks a lot for doing a great job. chris: secretary clinton, you have talked about, in the last debate and again today, you would impose a no-fly zone to try to protect the people of aleppo and stop the killing there. president obama has refused to do that, because he fears it
will draw us deeper into the conflict. general joseph dunford, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, says that if you impose a no-fly zone, chances are you will get into a war with syria and russia. so the question i have, if you impose a no-fly zone, how do you respond to their concerns. a no-fly if you impose zone and a russian plane violates that, does president putin should that plane down? mrs. clinton: first of all, i think a no-fly zone can save lives and hastened the end of the conflict. i am well aware of the really legitimate concerns you have expressed from both the president and the general. this would not be done just on the first day. this would take a lot of negotiation. it would also take making it clear to the russians and the syrians that our purpose here was to provide safe stones on the ground. we have had millions of people leave syria, and those millions of people inside syria have been dislocated.
so i think we could strike a deal and make it very clear to the russians and the syrians that this was something that we believed was in the best interest of the people on the ground in syria. it would help us with our fight against isis. but i want to respond to what donald said about refugees. he has made these claims repeatedly. i am not going to let anyone into this country who is not vetted, who we do not have confidence in. but i am not going to slam the door on women and children. the picture of that little four-year-old boy in aleppo with the blood coming down his face while he sat in an ambulance, it is haunting. so we are going to do very careful thorough vetting. that does not solve our internal challenges with isis, and our need to stop radicalization, to work with american muslim communities who are on the front lines to identify and prevent attacks. killer of the dozens of people at the nightclub in orlando, the pulse
nightclub, was born in queens, the same place donald was born. so let's be clear about what the threat is, and how we are best going to be able to meet it. and yes, some of that threat emanates from over in syria and iraq, and we have got to keep fighting, and i will defeat isis. and some of it is we have to up our game and be much smarter here. chris: i want to get into our final segment. mr. trump: i just have to -- it is so ridiculous. she will defeat isis. we should have never let isis happen in the first place, and right now they are in 32 countries. one second. they had a cease-fire three weeks ago. a cease-fire, united states, russia, and syria. during the cease-fire, russia ches ofer vast swat land and then said, we don't want the cease-fire anymore. we are so at played. they are out playing. she wasn't there, so i assume she had nothing to do with it, but our country is so outplaye
assad and and iran. nobody can believe how stupid are leadership is. chris: we need to move on to our final segment. that is the national debt, which has not been discussed until tonight. our national debt as a share of the economy, our gdp, is now 77%. that is the highest since just after world war ii. the nonpartisan committee for a responsible federal budget says secretary clinton, under your plan, debt would rise to 86% of gdp over the next 10 years. mr. trump, under your plan they say it would rise to 105% of gdp over the next 10 years. question is, why are both of you ignoring this problem? mr. trump, you go first. mr. trump: i would say they are wrong, because i'm going to create tremendous jobs. we are bringing gdp from really 1%, which is what it is now, and if she got and it will be less
than zero, we are bringing it from 1% up to 4%, and i actually think we can go higher than 4%. i think you can go to 5% or 6%. if we do, you don't have to bother asking your question, because we have a tremendous machine. we will have created a tremendous economic machine once again. to do that, we are taking back jobs. we are not going to let our companies be raided by other countries will release all our jobs. it is very sad. but i'm going to create the kind of the country that we were from the standpoint of industry. we used to be there. we have given it up. we have become very, very sloppy. we have people who are political hacks making the biggest deals in the world, bigger than companies. you take these big companies. these trade deals are far bigger than these companies. yet we don't use our great leaders, many of whom back me, and many of whom back hillary, but we don't use these people.
these are the greatest negotiators in the world. we have the greatest business people in the world. we have to use them to negotiate our trade deals. we use political hacks. we use people that got a position because they made a campaign contribution, and they are dealing with china and people who are very much smarter than they are. so we have to use our great people. but that being said, we will create an economic machine the likes of which we haven't seen in many decades, and people, chris, will again go back to work, and they will make a lot of money and we will have companies that will grow, and expand, and start from new. chris: secretary clinton? mrs. clinton: first, when i hear donald talk like that and know that his slogan is "make america great again," i wonder when he thought america was great. and before he rushes and says, before you and president obama were there, i think it's important to recognize that he has been criticizing our
government for decades. you know, back in 1987, he took out a $100,000 ad in the "new york times" during the time when president reagan was president and basically said exactly what he just said now, that we were the laughing stock of the world. he was criticizing president reagan. this is the way donald thinks about himself, puts himself into the middle and says, you know, i alone can fix it, as he said on the convention stage. but if you look at the debt, which is the issue you asked about, chris, i pay for everything i am proposing. i do not add a penny to the national debt. i take that very seriously, because i do think it's one of the issues we have got to come to grips with. so when i talk about how we are going to pay for education, how we are going to invest in infrastructure, how we are going to get the cost of production drugs down, and a lot of the
other issues people talk about all the time, i have made it very clear. we are going where the money is. we are going to ask the wealthy and corporations to pay their fair share, and there is no evidence whatsoever that that will slow down or diminish our growth. in fact, i think just the opposite. we will have what economists call middle-outgrowth. we have got to get back to rebuilding the middle class. the family of america, that's where growth will come from. that's why i want to invest in you. i want to invest in your family. and i think that's the smartest way to grow the economy, to make the economy fairer, and we just have a big disagreement about this. it may be because of our experiences. he started out with his dad as a millionaire. i started out with my dad as a small businessman. it is a difference that affects how we see the world and how we see the economy. mr. trump: but i just respond? chris:
mr. trump: could i just respond? that, weree with him on should be much tougher. frankly, now we're going to do it right. the one last area i want to get into in this debate is entitlement, 60% of all federal spending. the committee for responsible looked at dget has both of your plans and say neither of you has a serious plan that is going to solve the medicare is going to run out of money in the 2020s. social -- the effect i want to ask you in this regard, mr. trump, would mr. trump make a deal to save medicare and social security included both tax increases
entitlements. mr. trump: we're going to grow rate.onomy on a record one thing we have to do, repeal and replace the disaster known obamacare. it's destroying our country. it's destroying our businesses, ur small business and our big businesses. we have to repeal and replace obamacare. look at the kind of numbers that that will cost us 17.he year it is a disaster. if we don't repeal and replace. of probably going to die its own weight, but obamacare has to go. 60, remiums are going up 70, 80%. next year, they're going to go over 100%, and i'm really glad that the premiums have started. t least the people see what's happening because she wants to keep obamacare, and she wants to make it even worse, and it can't worse. bad healthcare at the most expensive price. e have to repeal and replace
obamacare. chris: secretary clinton, same question, because at this point, and medicare are going to run out. the trust funds are going to run out of money. will you as president entertain -- will you consider a rand bargain, a deal that includes both tax increases and cuts to try to save both programs? mrs. clinton: well, chris, i am on record as saying that we need social ore money in the security trust fund. that's part of my commitment to taxes on the wealthy. my social security payroll up as will will go donald's -- assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it. but what we want to do is replenish the social security making sure that we have sufficient resources, and that will come from either cap and/or finding other ways to get more money into it. benefits.t cut i want to enhance benefits for womencome workers and for who have been disadvantaged by
the current social security system. what donald is proposing with these massive tax cuts will a $20 trillion additional national debt. consequencese dire for social security and medicare. and i'll tell you something about the affordable care act, wants to repeal. the affordable care act extended medicare cy of the trust fund, so if he repeals it, medicare problem gets worse. what we need are long-term healthcare drivers. get costs down, increase value, emphasize wellness. for doing that and i believe we will get entitlement spending under resources and re smarter decisions. tois: this is the final time your delight probably that in ll both be on the stage this campaign. i would like to end it on a positive note. closing ot agreed to
statements but it might make it more interesting because you aven't prepared closing statements. so we're going to put up a as the final clock question and the final debate to tell the american people why they should elect you to be the president. this is another new minisegment. secretary clinton, it's your go first. mrs. clinton: i would like to say to everyone watching tonight that i'm reaching out to all democrats, republicans and independents, because we need everybody to country what it should be, to grow the economy, o make it fairer, to make it work for everyone. we need your talents, your commitment, your energy, your ambition. i have been privileged to see and i sidency up close, know the awesome responsibility of protecting our country and he incredible opportunity of working to try to make life better for all of you. the cause of children and families really my life's work. what my mission will be
in the presidency. i will stand up for families powerful interests, against corporations. i will do everything that i can make sure that you have good jobs with rising incomes, that good educations from preschool through college. i hope you will give me a chance as your president. chris: secretary clinton, thank you. mr. trump. mr. trump: she's raising money from the people she wants to control. doesn't work that way. started this campaign, i started it very make ly, it's called america great again. we're going to make america great. we have a depleted military. helped and fixed. we have the greatest people on earth in our military. care of our veterans and illegal immigrants, people that come into the country illegally better than vets. that can't happen. our policemen and women are disrespected. we need law and order but we need justice too. our inner cities are a disaster. you get shot walking to the
store. they have no education. they have no jobs. do more for african-americans and latinos in 10 lifetimes. all she's done is talked to the african-americans and latinos, the vote and come back and say, we'll see you in four years. we are going to make america again, and we are going to make america great again, and it has to start now. take four more years of barack obama, and that's what get her.hen you chris: thank you, both. --retary clinton [applause] chris: hold on just a moment, folks. i want to thank you both for of icipating in all three these debates. that brings an end to this sponsored by the presidential convention on debates. thank the university of las vegas for having us. now it's up to you. november 8 is just 20 days away. one thing everyone here can gree on, we hope you will go
>> the directer of national intelligence gives his assessment of the terror threats facing the u.s. today. we'll have live coverage at 9:00 a.m. eastern. then religion author karen armstrong on attitudes and erceptions of muslims. >> donald trump and hillary clinton held their third and final debate in las vegas, less than three weeks from the presidential election. the moderater was chris cal lass of fox news. -- wallace of fox news.
chris: good evening from the thomas and max center at the university of nevada-las vegas. i'm chris wallace of fox news. i welcome you to the third and final of the 2016 presidential debates between secretary of state hillary clinton and donald j. trump. this debate is sponsored by the commission on presidential debate. the commission has designed the format. six roughly 15-minute segments with two-minute answers to the first question, then open discussion for the rest of each segment. both campaigns have agreed to those rules. for the record, i decided the topics and the questions in each topic, none of those questions has been shared with the commission or the two candidates. the audience here in the hall is promised to -- has promised to remain silent. no cheer, boos or other
interruptions so we and you can focus on what the candidates have to say. no noise except right now as we welcome the democratic nominee for president, secretary clinton, and the republican nominee for president, mr. trump. [applause] cheers and applause] secretary clinton, mr. trump, welcome. let's get right to. it the first topic is the supreme court. you both talked briefly about the court in the last debate. but i want to drill down on this, because the next president will almost certainly have at least one appointment and likely or possibly two or ree appointments which means
that you will in effect determine the balance a of the court for what could be the next quarter century. first of all, where do you want to see the court take the country and secondly, what's your view on how the constitution should be interpreted? do the founders' words mean what they say, or is it a living document to be applied flexibly aye according to changing circumstances -- flexibly according to changing circumstances? secretary clinton, you go first. you have got minutes. hillary: thank you very much, chris, and thanks to unlv for hosting us. i think when we talk about the supreme court, it really raises the central issue in this election. namely, what kind of country are we going to be? what kind of opportunities will we provide for our citizens, what kind of rights will americans have? and i feel strongly that the supreme court needs to stand on the side of the american people, not oned side of the powerful -- on the side of the powerful corporations and the wealthy. for me that means that we need a supreme court that will stand up on behalf of women's rights,
on behalf of the rights of the lgbt community, that will stand up and say no to citizens united, a decision that has undermined the election system in our country because of the way it permits dark, unaccountable money to come into our electoral system. i have major disagreements with my opponent about these issues and others that will be before the supreme court. but i feel that at this point in our country's history, it is important that we not reverse marriage equality, that we not reverse roe v. wade, that we stand up against citizens united, we stand up for the rights of people in the workplace, that we stand up and basically say, the supreme court should represent all of us. that's how i see the court and the kind of people that i would be looking to nominate to the court would be in the great
tradition of standing up to the powerful, standing up on behalf of our rights as americans. and i look forward to having that opportunity. i would hope that the senate would do its job. and confirm the nominee that president obama has sent to them. that's the way the constitution fundamentally should operate. the president nominates and then the senate advises and consents or not. but they go forward with the process. chris: secretary clinton, thank you. mr. trump, same question. where do you want to see thetore question. where do you want to see the court take the country? and how do you believe the constitution should be interpreted? mr. trump: well, first of all, it's great to be with you, and thank you, everybody. the supreme court: it's what it's all about. our country is so, so -- it's
just so imperative that we have the right justices. something happened recently where justice ginsburg made some very, very inappropriate statements toward me and toward a tremendous number of people, many, many millions of people that i represent. and she was forced to apologize. and apologize she did. but these were statements that should never, ever have been made. we need a supreme court that in my opinion is going to uphold the second amendment, and all amendments, but the second amendment, which is under absolute siege. i believe if my opponent should win this race, which i truly don't think will happen, we will have a second amendment which will be a very, very small replica of what it is right now. but i feel that it's absolutely important that we uphold, because of the fact that it is under such trauma. i feel that the justices that i am going to appoint -- and i've named 20 of them -- the justices that i'm going to appoint will
be pro-life. they will have a conservative bent. they will be protecting the second amendment. they are great scholars in all cases, and they're people of tremendous respect. they will interpret the constitution the way the founders wanted it interpreted. and i believe that's very, very important. i don't think we should have justices appointed that decide what they want to hear. it's all about the constitution of -- of -- and so important, the constitution the way it was meant to be. and those are the people that i will appoint. moderator: mr. trump, thank you. moderator: we now have about 10 minutes for an open discussion. i want to focus on two issues that, in fact, by the justices that you name could end up changing the existing law of the land. first is one that you mentioned, mr. trump, and that is guns. secretary clinton, you said last year, let me quote, "the supreme court is wrong on the second amendment." and now, in fact, in the 2008 heller case, the court
ruled that there is a constitutional right to bear arms, but a right that is reasonably limited. those were the words of the judge antonin scalia who wrote the decision. what's wrong with that? sec. clinton well, first of all, i support the second amendment. i lived in arkansas for 18 wonderful years. i represented upstate new york. i understand and respect the tradition of gun ownership. it goes back to the founding of our country. but i also believe that there can be and must be reasonable regulation. because i support the second amendment doesn't mean that i want people who shouldn't have guns to be able to threaten you, kill you or members of your family. and so when i think about what we need to do, we have 33,000 people a year who die from guns. i think we need comprehensive background checks, need to close the online loophole, close the gun show loophole. there's other matters that i think are sensible that are the kind of reforms that would make
a difference that are not in any way conflicting with the second amendment. you mentioned the heller decision. and what i was saying that you referenced, chris, was that i disagreed with the way the court applied the second amendment in that case, because what the district of columbia was trying to do was to protect toddlers from guns and so they wanted people with guns to safely store them. and the court didn't accept that reasonable regulation, but they've accepted many others. so i see no conflict between saving people's lives and defending the second amendment. moderator: let me bring mr. trump in here. the bipartisan open debate coalition got millions of votes on questions to ask here, and this was, in fact, one of the top questions that they got. how will you ensure the second amendment is protected? you just heard secretary clinton's answer. does she persuade you that, while you may disagree on regulation, that, in fact, she supports a second amendment
right to bear arms? mr. trump: well, the d.c. vs. heller decision was very strongly -- and she was extremely angry about it. i watched. i mean, she was very, very angry when upheld. and justice scalia was so involved. and it was a well-crafted decision. but hillary was extremely upset, extremely angry. and people that believe in the second amendment and believe in it very strongly were very upset with what she had to say. moderator: well, let me bring in secretary clinton. were you extremely upset? sec. clinton well, i was upset because, unfortunately, dozens of toddlers injure themselves, even kill people with guns, because, unfortunately, not everyone who has loaded guns in their homes takes appropriate precautions. but there's no doubt that i respect the second amendment, that i also believe there's an individual right to bear arms. that is not in conflict with sensible, commonsense regulation. and, you know, look, i
understand that donald's been strongly supported by the nra. the gun lobby's on his side. they're running millions of dollars of ads against me. and i regret that, because what i would like to see is for people to come together and say: of course we're going to protect and defend the second amendment. but we're going to do it in a way that tries to save some of these 33,000 lives that we lose every year. moderator: let me bring mr. trump back into this, because, in fact, you oppose any limits on assault weapons, any limits on high- capacity magazines. you support a national right to carry law. why, sir? mr. trump: well, let me just tell you before we go any further. in chicago, which has the toughest gun laws in the united states, probably you could say by far, they have more gun violence than any other city. so we have the toughest laws, and you have tremendous gun violence. i am a very strong supporter of the second amendment. and i am -- i don't know if hillary was saying it in a
sarcastic manner, but i'm very proud to have the endorsement of the nra. and it's the earliest endorsement they've ever given to anybody who ran for president. so i'm very honored by all of that. we are going to appoint justices -- this is the best way to help the second amendment. we are going to appoint justices that will feel very strongly about the second amendment, that will not do damage to the second amendment. moderator: well, let's pick up on another issue which divides you and the justices that whoever ends up winning this election appoints could have a dramatic effect there, and that's the issue of abortion. mr. trump: right. moderator: mr. trump, you're pro-life. but i want to ask you specifically: do you want the court, including the justices that you will name, to overturn roe v. wade, which includes -- in fact, states -- a woman's right to abortion? mr. trump: well, if that would happen, because i am pro-life, and i will be appointing pro-life judges, i would think that that will go back to the individual states. moderator: but i'm asking you
specifically. would you like to -- mr. trump: if they overturned it, it will go back to the states. moderator: but what i'm asking you, sir, is, do you want to see the court overturn -- you just said you want to see the court protect the second amendment. do you want to see the court overturn roe v. wade? mr. trump: well, if we put another two or perhaps three justice on, that's really what's going to be -- that will happen. and that'll happen automatically, in my opinion, because i am putting pro-life justices on the court. i will say this: it will go back to the states, and the states will then make a determination. moderator: secretary clinton? sec. clinton well, i strongly support roe v. wade, which guarantees a constitutional right to a woman to make the most intimate, most difficult, in many cases, decisions about her health care that one can imagine. and in this case, it's not only about roe v. wade. it is about what's happening right now in america. so many states are putting very stringent regulations on women that block them from exercising that choice to the extent that
they are defunding planned parenthood, which, of course, provides all kinds of cancer screenings and other benefits for women in our country. donald has said he's in favor of defunding planned parenthood. he even supported shutting the government down to defund planned parenthood. i will defend planned parenthood. i will defend roe v. wade, and i will defend women's rights to make their own health care decisions. moderator: secretary clinton -- sec. clinton and we have come too far to have that turned back now. and, indeed, he said women should be punished, that there should be some form of punishment for women who obtain abortions. and i could just not be more opposed to that kind of thinking. moderator: i'm going to give you a chance to respond, but i want to ask you, secretary clinton, i want to explore how far you believe the right to abortion goes. you have been quoted as saying that the fetus has no constitutional rights. you also voted against a ban on late-term, partial-birth
abortions. why? sec. clinton because roe v. wade very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account. and when i voted as a senator, i did not think that that was the case. the kinds of cases that fall at the end of pregnancy are often the most heartbreaking, painful decisions for families to make. i have met with women who toward the end of their pregnancy get the worst news one could get, that their health is in jeopardy if they continue to carry to term or that something terrible has happened or just been discovered about the pregnancy. i do not think the united states government should be stepping in and making those most personal of decisions. so you can regulate if you are
doing so with the life and the health of the mother taken into account. moderator: mr. trump, your reaction? and particularly on this issue of late-term, partial-birth abortions. mr. trump: well, i think it's terrible. if you go with what hillary is saying, in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby. now, you can say that that's ok and hillary can say that that's ok. but it's not ok with me, because based on what she's saying, and based on where she's going, and where she's been, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month on the final day. and that's not acceptable. sec. clinton well, that is not what happens in these cases. and using that kind of scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. you should meet with some of the women that i have met with,
women i have known over the course of my life. this is one of the worst possible choices that any woman and her family has to make. and i do not believe the government should be making it. you know, i've had the great honor of traveling across the world on behalf of our country. i've been to countries where governments either forced women to have abortions, like they used to do in china, or forced women to bear children, like they used to do in romania. and i can tell you: the government has no business in the decisions that women make with their families in accordance with their faith, with medical advice. and i will stand up for that right. moderator: all right. but just briefly, i want to move on to another segment -- mr. trump: and, honestly, nobody has business doing what i just said, doing that, as late as one or two or three or four days prior to birth. nobody has that. moderator: all right. let's move on to the subject of immigration. and there is almost no issue that separates the two of you more than the issue of immigration. actually, there are a lot of issues that separate the two of you. mr. trump, you want to build a