tv Representative Kevin Mc Carthy Discusses Republican Party Agenda CSPAN December 3, 2016 12:30pm-1:16pm EST
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james: thanks, kris. we're obviously very lucky to have house majority leader kevin mccarthy with us today. a good turnout in the audience on a rainy -- rep. mccarthy: hello all, good morning. james: rainy day in the lame duck session. rep. mccarthy: if they feel tired, i just flew in from california last night. [laughter] james: and there's a lot going on. the lame duck, i guess, isn't going to be as exciting as it possibly could have been, but -- rep. mccarthy: yes.
james: next year is going to be very big. let's start with the news, overnight. james: tom price, a congressman from georgia, who you served with -- rep. mccarthy: yes. james: is going to be the health and human services secretary. he's been a staunch opponent of the affordable care act. james: what's your relationship like with price? what do you make of trump picking him? rep. mccarthy: tom and i couldn't be closer. tom's the chairman of the budget committee. he serves on ways and means. he's a doctor, orthopedic surgeon. he's been integral in the republican -- putting together a better way how to repeal and replace obamacare. so, i actually believe this is a very good decision on trump's part. i thought this would happen, early on, that tom would be a perfect fit, and -- which is nice. i mean, we've got mike pompeo going to cia. we've got tom price, with him there. i mean, i talked to -- i talked to the administration-elect almost every other night. and i tell them how many are you going to take from all this? [laughter] no, you've got to leave some people left. but, no, there's a lot of good people that have been working hard on these issues, that is going to make it -- in my perspective, easier to get the job done. james: and who are you talking to in the administration? is that mike pence? rep. mccarthy: well, i talk to president-elect donald trump. i talk to reince. i talk to bannon. i talk to mike pence, so, yes. james: and are they eager to,
sort of, work together -- rep. mccarthy: yes. i really feel -- everybody feels very close about working together. and one thing i'm going to do -- i think i've been on a couple of morning shows, and sometimes, my mouth says something that my head's thinking differently. so, i think i said today that i was putting the calendar out today. i'm not. i thought it was wednesday. i'm putting the calendar out on wednesday. and i've been redoing the calendar, one of the roles of the majority leader, especially for the first 100 days for this year. and it's not just the idea of, "oh, what day should we be in session?" no, it's in concert with working with the new administration and working with the senate. what would we be doing that week, the next week, and the other week? now, the house works faster than the senate, timewise. we don't have this gridlock of 60-vote world. so, our movement will be faster, but planning out -- one of the roles of majority leader, too, is managing the committees. so, seeing what we can do, what we should be doing at this time, and mapping all that out,
knowing things change and you have to be flexible. but, you're never going to get all this done if we don't start working early. so we'll come in early on the 3rd -- james: guess it's two-and-a-half weeks before he gets sworn in. rep. mccarthy: yes. james: are there going to be more legislative days next year than -- rep. mccarthy: we'll be in session, more legislative days. i'll explain that all to the members, and we'll walk them through it when i give it to everybody else. i would tell you the members are eager about that. the weeks will be longer, the first 100 days will be more. there're certain times i wish we could be in, like, the one week right before the inaugural, security-wise, you can't use the capitol during that time. we've got a couple retreats. the democrat and the republican retreat. i do think those are helpful, though. ours are done with the senate as well, so, to me, that's still working in the process, but i just don't have floor time during those days. james: so, let's talk about the first 100 days. you're mapping out your calendar. what is the benchmark for success in the first 100 days? if we came back 100 days after
trump is sworn in, what's -- rep. mccarthy: well, i'd like to see progress. first thing you're going to find at the very beginning -- what i have found in this past administration, the frustration with the country, is lack of growth. one of the elements happen to be, especially if you look at the economic news, productivity is down in america, three straight quarters. and that's because you're hiring new people just to deal with regulation. we no longer have co-equal branches. i think reorganizing where we have co-equal branches, bringing that article i back, you're going to see at the very beginning. the midnight rule, others going through. we have some elements of certain things that we can do from the prospect of a check and balance. we have a congressional review act that allows a different vote number in the senate, based upon regulations that have passed. if you take the first six years of the obama administration, it
was almost 500 new regulations through. so, how do we -- how do we rein that back in? doing congressional review acts, those are -- those take 15 legislative days to be privileged in the senate, so you really can't start on that until the 24th. we have not done a budget for 2017. you'll see a budget start. it will probably start in the senate. as many of you know, from being here, that gives you reconciliation, so that is an element of how do you deal with the deficit? that's one of the elements that you can deal with obamacare and the repeal of it. you can't replace it under that, but you can start the process to repeal. you'll also have a budget for 2018, and that gives you another bite of the apple in reconciliation, when you want to do tax reform, if you want to do tax reform that way. when it comes to the border, the administration and others want us to get that done quickly, you'll see movement on that. we'll see talk when it comes to
infrastructure. we're looking at ways that we make this economy start working again. i know there's -- administration you have to fill. that's going to take part time in the senate. the supreme court, they'll have an appointment that they're going to have to fill within but we've got to get work being done, and we can't waste any of the weeks and the times. v.a. needs reform. so, all these things we have been working on -- and a lot of those we've been working on in a better way ahead of time. so, you've got a lot of that work through committees done, and once january 3rd comes, you've finished populating. we're in a stronger position in the house than probably all the others. i mean, the democrats haven't even picked their leadership yet. and if there's one person i can root for, i think -- i think nancy has more support in the republican conference for her to stay leader than maybe in her own conference. i'm not sure, but -- i'm just seeing if you're awake, ok? [laughter] james: you said -- you said last week that you feel republicans will have the house majority as long as nancy pelosi is democrat leader. rep. mccarthy: oh, i firmly believe that.
don't you notice how there's some people in the senate that always stay one term too long? and a term in the senate is like six years. i kind of feel like nancy's at that point. but i don't want to -- i want to help her. i think that's a good place for her to be, and i think it's very helpful for the majority. james: so you endorsed her. rep. mccarthy: yes. can you believe? she puts out that she wants to keep the current dccc? i would look at about firing what those people did in that last election, but she wants to keep them. more power to her. she should be re-elected. james: i want to talk about the issues, but while we're on this point -- rep. mccarthy: yes. james: you were part of the, kind of, integral -- you were in charge of recruiting in that 2010 class that won the house majority, you were one of the young guns. if you were giving advice to young democrats, the young guns in that caucus right now, besides the pelosi point, what would you tell them? how do you come back from being in the wilderness? this is the first time -- you know, you got elected in 2016 -- rep. mccarthy: well, the
country has already decided your policies are not where they want to go. they rejected your majority. but you kept the same leadership. and then their leadership -- no disrespect, but their leadership is 75 to 76 years old. that's not the future. when you look at what we did recruiting -- you've got to stop washington from recruiting. what i did, i went across the country. and you don't want to talk somebody into running. you want to ask them why they want to. and then, if they have the right reasons that they want to, you want to enhance that, but you don't want to pre-pick. you want the competition to come from within and represent their own area. and we always put measurements. so, people had measurements of where to get. and that year of 2010, we defeated 63 democrat incumbents, and 61 of them were young gun candidates. the story i always love to tell -- i'll finish with this one. stephen fincher.
so, i go out, and i'm recruiting, and barack obama, at the time, has 70% approval ratings. and i sit down with steven fincher, and he tells me he's from frog jump, tennessee. and i ask him, "so, why do you want to run?" he says, "well, mr. kevin, i'm just a farmer. and i've watched the country change before my eyes, and i don't know how i tell my children that i did nothing." i said, "well, that's a good reason." "oh, mr. kevin, i don't know if i'm the best person." i said, "why?" he said, "well, i've never been elected to anything." i said, "that's all right. it's anti-incumbent. you don't have to be elected." "oh, mr. kevin. i've never even been to washington, d.c. on vacation." i said, "as of right now, you're my top recruit in the nation." [laughter] and, you know, he announced he was going to run. i came back to my conference, and i said, "i think i've found the person that defines this election." they all kind of laughed at me. i said, "here he is, having never been to d.c., having never
run before, but is willing to risk all of his finances, all his life, because he watched his country changing." but it has frustrated him that far that he was willing to do it. and truthfully, a lot of the media laughed at me, right? and so once he got in, the democrat opponent stayed in, and then backed out. and then these other people got in with millions of dollars. stephen fincher won. and you know what? when you looked at -- in congress, he's retiring right now, he's been there three terms -- the first year, the jobs act which people say was one of the best bills, you know who the author of that was? stephen fincher. james: let's unpack some of the issues. you know, when we talked about the first 100 days, you mentioned several kind of big ticket things. let's start with obamacare. we sort of mentioned it, with tom price. you mentioned backstage, you're putting something together. rep. mccarthy: yes. ok. we'll repeal obamacare. it's the replacing of obamacare you want to make it sure it gets right. one thing i've always found -- the argument was, you need to change the healthcare system. obamacare will not stand on its own. i mean, you look at it -- what
was it, 23 co-ops when they passed obamacare? $3 billion, now 16 of them have failed, premiums are up 25%. you go through all the ramifications, people leaving the market. a lot of states only have one options in there. we never thought that that would succeed. but repealing it, you want to make sure you replace it properly. and this is a problem, when i think -- when they went, they closed ranks, and they didn't listen to anybody. they made it a political decision instead of a policy decision. now, we've done a lot of work on this, especially when it came to king burwell, and we thought there was going to be a supreme court case, right? well, there was a supreme court case, but the decision was going to do differently. and we put a little group together to map out where we would go. and at the time, it was the chairman of ways and means, or paul ryan. it was a tom price, myself. but the other thing that we did, we brought governors in. we listened to governors. you have ideas, too. and what we thought would happen -- work at the very beginning is not where we finally ended up, because we sat there and talked policy. because we make policy in the world of politics. so, what's the best policy you
can get through and make happen, to work the process. so, what i'm going to do, i'm putting letters out this week to all the governors and the insurance commissioners, "give me your ideas, too, on replacement." we want to make sure we get this done right, we're going to get it done, we want to make sure it's done right, and people are engaged in the process as well. james: when do you think it gets done? rep. mccarthy: well, repealing is easier and faster, because that could be a 51 vote. replacing is going to be 60 votes. so, i don't want to set a time limit, that this has to get done by this certain date. i want to make sure it gets done right. james: to get to 60, what do you -- what do you envision? there are obviously a bunch of things in the law that are pretty popular, some of which aren't that expensive, but some of which are. what do you envision -- rep. mccarthy: well, i -- the first thing everybody talks about, pre-existing conditions. and your children 26. where did those ideas stem from? those were actually republican policies when we talk about healthcare.
well, different places. so -- but in those two instances, i believe those stay. but we've got an idea and a better way. that's one place to start. it's not easy, because i've sat around the room many times, trying to come up with the replacement plan. it wasn't until king burwell that it forced us to start making decisions. and i think that's going to be very helpful. but i also want to have the states out there, because i think having more competition, having options for people. i always use the analogy, would i want to pick a cable company or a -- to watch what i want to watch on tv? i love the options that i have, i love the ability to switch, i love the different packages that i can pick if i like a certain sports team, or i want to watch hbo or something else. i can make it just tailored to myself. james: ok. rep. mccarthy: why can't we have healthcare in a manner that we can do something to that extent? and i think that'll be a much better option. james: immigration. rep. mccarthy: yes.
james: you mentioned some of the -- the new administration, it's a high priority to do something about the border. what does that look like? is that the wall? is that going to happen? rep. mccarthy: i -- you're going to have to secure the border, no matter what you do. and yes, this administration cares about it, but i would say that's a bipartisan issue. when you looked at what the -- i would say, the democrat plan was in the senate, when they did their bill, they put billions of dollars for border security. you've got to have a secure border. and i think you'll see people who work on that. now, there can't be anybody in this room who thinks our current immigration system works. it doesn't matter what position you are about immigration, but if you believe the current system works, you're wrong. and if we do nothing on immigration, we perpetuate the problem. 40% of everybody that's here illegally came here legally on a visa. so, don't you think that program needs to be changed? but the process and the idea that if somebody comes here and they get an engineering degree, and we tell them to leave, but we do this, just, luck of the lottery, and it's chain migration, where you bring your whole family in, i don't think that's a system that's working right in america.
we are a country that assimilates, that believes in immigration. i think we've got to have greater control over what that means and how the process is that we do it. james: do you -- i mean, do you sense that there would be any appetite for some kind of larger comprehensive reform beyond just this border package? rep. mccarthy: i believe there is, but i do not believe there's any trust to do any comprehensive immigration reform without proving you've secured the border first. i think there's a lack of trust out there, and no matter what you look at from immigration, people believe -- you have to start with that. and so let's start with that and then move from there. james: you have a lot of relationships in silicon valley. you're sort of the main republican point man out there. immigration is-- rep. mccarthy: well, that -- you've got peter thiel, too, and a couple others. james: immigration is -- is obviously important to them. they care about some of these visa issues that you just mentioned. rep. mccarthy: yes. h-1 visa and others. james: how important is the immigration component to what
they want? and you talk a lot about your innovation agenda. rep. mccarthy: well, i think it's very important there, but remember where i come in california, i'm in a very diverse district. cesar chavez is buried in my district. so, i also understand a guest workers program, for the agriculture, where i come from. i mean, two families in my district grow 80% of all the carrots in the country. you ever eat a baby carrot? you know those little ones? you want a secret? there's no such thing. they're regular carrots. we chop them, charge you more, you buy them, and we love you for it, so -- [laughter] we don't charge you more, but that's what we do. silicon valley as well. h-1bs. we're sending people off. we want an economy that grows. we want people that want to assimilate, want to be part of america in common. i think we could find an immigration system that works that way. james: you know, there's some tension here, in -- within the republican party, of course. someone like jeff sessions, he wants to reduce legal immigration, it's not just securing the border. there is some current of people who supported the current president-elect, who want to reduce legal immigration. it sounds like you would have no appetite for that. do you think that there is a place for legal immigration?
rep. mccarthy: i think there's a big place for legal immigration. there's not one person in this room that can't trace their family back, you know. i'm irish and italian, so we have the best fights in the neighborhood, right? guido palladino came from campalzo, italy, in 1921. and that just so happens it's my grandfather, right? and jeremiah mccarthy came in the 1860's from ireland. and they made a great contribution to this country. and you know what? one of their grandchildren became a majority leader in the house of representatives. we want to keep that dream alive. and i believe we can keep that dream alive, but we also have to secure our borders. and there's a logical way we can go about this, that we maintain this, and we maintain the core tradition of america without -- with also protecting. because there's people on the other side that want to have nothing, and people just run in. well, you can't have -- you cannot keep a country strong without the rule of law.
so, if you do not have a secured border and people are breaking the rule of law by coming into the country illegally, you will break down society. there's a value to being an american, and you want to keep that value. and you know what? people went through the process legally to make that happen. and we want to make a legal system that works. james: moving on to tax reform, big ticket item the president- elect has talked about tax cuts. where -- do you see any prospect for big tax reform in the coming year or coming congress? rep. mccarthy: yes. james: and what's that going to, most likely, end up looking like? what do you think, sort of, the elements of that we can expect to see? rep. mccarthy: i would say article i, section 7 of the constitution says all tax reform starts in the house. so, you know, it starts in ways and means. we did not wait for january to start thinking about this. we have already started working on this. we look at a better way. and you want to know, well, what would that structure be? it'll be simpler, and it'll be fairer. i think we'll end up with three rates, not five. i think there'll be a reduction in rates.
well, how do you get the reduction in rates? it's kind of how we craft it, from the process. if i look at, across this country, the frustration, the movement of what we saw in these last campaigns. why? the middle class will work less today than we were eight years ago. the number one thing we have to do is grow this economy. every single budget that last administration sent to us had like a 3.5 or higher annual growth rate in their budget. but they never achieved that. we have 2% or 1.5% growth rate. you do not solve the problem -- we cannot solve the challenges of america just by cutting government. we have to grow this economy. and tax reform, reg reform, those are the key elements of making this economy begin to grow. with all the things that people would say to try to scare you about having donald trump become president, we're finding they're not true. the market was going to drop, remember? on that election night, where
was the options? the best november we ever had on the market, right? why? because we assume, if you look at the economic factors before, business investment was down, consumer consumption was up, productivity was down. well, the key factors behind that, will you get business investment up, where they know they can get a return? what's a good place to make an investment? productivity up, more people working. tax reform? right now, we have a system where structure dictates behavior. you've got a benefit to have a foreign country come buy or leave this country. we punish you to bring that money back to america. it's all backwards. i've had some of my best friends, who've created companies, started from scratch here, had to sell or somebody took them over, simply because our tax advantage was a disadvantage. james: do you think that -- republicans have been very nervous about deficits the last eight years. they weren't as nervous when george w. bush was president. a lot of your members who have
come in in the last eight years do put a high priority on deficit spending. rep. mccarthy: i'm one of them. james: i mean, you can do dynamic scoring. you mentioned the administration's budget came in with, sort of, high expectations growth. how serious are house republicans going to take deficit spending? rep. mccarthy: we're very serious about it. and, look, you cannot have a debt equal to your size of your economy. every great society has collapsed based upon when they overstretched themselves. you can manage debt, but it's different. the size of the manage of the debt that i have on my home is one i can manage. you know, i still live in the very first home i ever bought, instead of going and buying a million dollar house. i couldn't manage that amount of debt. so, we have to look at that. and how do we solve this problem? this is what i talked about earlier. one, you have to grow the economy, you've got to manage -- one, ,we were very successful in 2010, where we put the caps on
discretionary spending. it's mandatory spending. discretionary is 10.67, right? a trillion dollars, in essence. but medicare, social security, interest on the debt, that's making up 66% of the budget, on its way to 75%. during ronald reagan's term, that was 25%, and discretionary was 75%. so we've got to get a handle on mandatory. we've got to grow the economy to get us out of this problem. that's why tax reform is so important. that's why regulation reform is so important. james: how important, when you're moving bills out of the house, is it that they will be revenue-neutral? you know, we're talking, and one of the things that we're talking about is an infrastructure spending package that would be potentially hundreds of billions of dollars. it'd be very hard -- rep. mccarthy: and you know what? you want it to be paid for. but i mean, these come from different principles and philosophies, right? is somebody a keynesian or not? i believe if government lowers taxes, someone will go out and score and say "we're going to get less." but what are you going to do
with that money? you going to invest it, grow it, and make it grow faster than government? my belief is yes. so we're going to get more revenue in, and history has proven me right. so it's the way you want to look at it. but when you're growing into an infrastructure, you want to be able to pay for things. but another key element of infrastructure we're going to find our conferences -- we're frustrated. we put in a long term highway bill that you haven't had in quite some time. but some of the things we did was the reforms in it. why does it take 10 years to build a road that you voted for a decade ago? because population doesn't stop growing, and it moves right by it. can't we bring common sense reforms where we can streamline the building of that road and others? i mean, let's be able to have the benefit of it at the same time. you're going to find a lot of streamlining. james: so, as part of this infrastructure package. rep. mccarthy: yes. james: you think an infrastructure thing can get done in the first 100 days? is that -- or is it going to take -- rep. mccarthy: look, i'm not going to put any timelines on it in the first 100 days.
i want to get results, and i want to get it done right. i put more days in so we get this done. i think there's always a window. we know in an election year, things are harder than the first year. we want to get as much done correctly as soon as we can. and there's an order and basis to do it. james: do you feel like -- obviously you weren't around as much during the previous republican administration, but do you -- i guess you were. you were -- rep. mccarthy: no, i came in the minority. james: right. rep. mccarthy: the smallest republican class in the history, because there was only 13 of us. and not one of them beat a democrat. james: that's amazing. 2006. rep. mccarthy: that's right. james: the -- or, do you feel like house republicans are getting to, sort of, set this agenda, or are you -- to what extent -- you're obviously in touch -- rep. mccarthy: we all -- we all work together. i think the house has a greater working majority. i think the house, by creating a better way, is better prepared for some of the issues that we're going to deal with. the senate has some odd rules.
i mean, i think the 60 vote is a guaranteed gridlock rule, but i also look at democrats who are sit-in states that donald trump carried, that will probably be more helpful in this perspective. schumer will be new, then harry reid, and maybe schumer's more likely to work with, negotiate on something. our committees are up and better prepared. james: now, on this bipartisanship point, you mentioned -- obviously there are these red-state democrats, indiana, missouri, north dakota, west virginia, up in 2018. rep. mccarthy: yes. james: you said, on the obamacare replacement, you're going to need 60 in the senate. what else do you think you can get democratic votes on, not just in the senate but also in the house, of these things that we've been talking about? rep. mccarthy: house is a little different, but i've always found, if you study history, the first nine months there, is -- that's like the length of the honeymoon that a new president gets. i remember when i came in, there was this six in 2006, and people would -- like, 300 votes, but then it slides down. it depends what we're moving.
if there's a big challenge right now, i mean, yes, i think nancy wins, but i think she's already lost the base of her conference, right? so they're going to be more willing and apt -- realize that they're sitting in districts where a lot of their friends have lost, and people voted for wanting to get this country moving again. i think tax reform. it will be interesting to see how many of them will vote for repealing obamacare. once it's repealed, why wouldn't they be willing to vote for a replacement? right? you have no other option, or are you just going to play politics with it. reg reform. i think you're going to find quite a few that are coming from rural america and others, that watched the administration put in where they took out total industries, and they watched their own constituents lose their jobs. i think you're going to find quite a few that are willing. james: let's talk about governing, sort of bigger picture. you have very good relationships with everyone in your conference, sort of across the ideological spectrum. the house freedom caucus, you
know, there were 20 members, or whatever the number was, and you were -- rep. mccarthy: it's secret. [laughter] james: when you were majority leader, who kind of wouldn't vote for anything, even when it was a pretty good deal that had been negotiated, just because, you know, it was voting to raise the debt ceiling. or it was -- rep. mccarthy: you could always make it a little better. james: right. the -- and how are those folks, because you know them very well, going to respond when a deal gets cut, you know, to get to 60% or whatever, if it's 70% good. do you think that now that there is unified republican control of the government, some of those guys are going to come along? or do you think you're still going to have a dozen, two dozen members who just, you know, are going to let perfect be the enemy of the good? rep. mccarthy: do you know our conference? [laughter] james: tell me, what's the number? rep. mccarthy: we are a microcosm of society. so, members are all different. i think structure dictates behavior. there was a perfect structure, where you had a different party in the presidency.
you had a senate that was slower. you could do those things. and if you utilized the freedom caucus to do that, it made the house republicans actually weaker, because then you had to negotiate with nancy pelosi. i thinkuck together -- there is less ability to do those types of things. a i'm sure those districts donald trump did the best in. tough to stand up when they're asking for this fundamental change in saying no to it. i think we are united. i think speaker ryan has done a great job. >> the sequester, you have military resources.
obviously it has been hard. that came with the obama administration. we should do our own work to work that out. to do something in the military, we have to do all this other stuff that may not be needed. if we are able to be together i think we solve all that. see him lifting the sequester or getting rid of it? you can talk about where they make the investment. in a sequester you are not able to prioritize. i looked at the fact that if elected you should take the responsibility of where you should spend that money. certain amount of money but i want to invest in
the right place. >> let's talk about california. you're lucky to represent the republican district. california is one of the few states where hillary clinton did that are than barack obama. if you talk about this popular vote and a electoral cannot have anou election where you determine the outcome one way and then argue after the election that you did better here. the game of baseball is the most scored you win, but if i got the most home runs, it doesn't work. she be donald trump by 3 million votes. donald trump one thing the popular vote in 49 states.
if we elect our presidents by college -- l california we did not win one resident -- one president shall race. i think california is a place where we can teach the rest of the nation how republicans can win. the district next to mine is one that is 72% hispanic. represents that district. i think we have abilities to expand. i think we can teach the rest how to do it. >> on the popular vote question.
one of the things donald trump have won the would popular foot if it wasn't for fraud ballots in california. >> this is the thing i will say. the election is over. i think everybody was ready for the campaign to be over. now let's go govern. all the arguments, would you respect the election or not, it is over, let's govern, let's move on. >> you didn't see any signs of fraud? >> i say let's govern. i could go through every aspect you allow in absentee ballots in one county. they want to make any argument you want.
the election is over. the recount is not going to be any different as you go through. it's only counting the votes that it has. >> it is important that the american people believe that the votes were counted fairly, that there wasn't widespread fraudulence. >> let's move on. >> i look at the election, i saw the results come in. i don't have a problem, i think it is time to govern. >> donald trump, the man, the leader. you agree to be a delegate for him at a time when a lot of republicans were not willing to do so. you helped in a lot of ways.
now he is president. there are still conservatives who are worried about some things about him. touching on issues that have come up the last few weeks, the potential conflicts of interest, that he is not following traditions other presidents have followed. >> i don't know that that is fair. this on a micro level where there will be some at a who has been elected to congress who has never been elected before. and they are running because they want to change the country. they never think that i'm going to have to change everything in my business. then you have a committee that says you have to do this or this and they tell you to do a certain thing and change their mind there other way.
they never thought of that. they just want to go serve. right? we set the rules up to really punish you if you've been in business, because we start with the idea that, "well, you'll do something corrupt within there." i think the aspect that when he did don mcgahn, he took this very serious. most of you probably know him. no one's going to tell me he's not one of the most ethical attorneys you've ever seen. he knows the law very well. i think by naming him one of the very first, he'll go work all that out. it's not the rule, if i'm going to go run for president, it's -- worrying about "what am i going to do with my business? all right, if i won, here's the legal counsel. i just -- i did well in business. i'll let the legal counsel figure out how -- what legal thing i'm supposed to do or not do." and i think by appointing him kind of solves that answer. mr. hohmann: could you envision house republicans doing oversight of the trump presidency if some of these lines maybe did get blurred? obviously you trust don but -- mr. mccarthy: look, i would
assume -- take donald trump out of it. oversight committee is supposed to be oversight, no matter who's in. it's not, you only do oversight -- i mean, the same thing for the employment of the attorney general and others. the same reason why my office looks across to the supreme court and there's a blindfold on. this country has got to come together. we have to stop being red and blue states. oversight is oversight. and i want oversight to hold me accountable. it's based on what is the role of your jobs, carry out your jobs, and put blinders on. mr. hohmann: you mentioned -- i mean, the party is more unified. people sort of have gotten on board. mr. mccarthy: winning helps do that. mr. hohmann: the -- kind of -- we have to wrap up in the next two or three minutes. taking a step back, you got the majority six years ago. if you could go back and talk to kevin mccarthy in the end of november, 2010, what advice would you give yourself?
mr. mccarthy: in 2010? mr. hohmann: now that you've been in the majority of six years, you've been around the track a few times. mr. mccarthy: i would have asked our members not to make expectations high than you could actually achieve. i always believe, surpass expectations. i think we told the american public certain things that we could do, that we couldn't do. we should have brought the public along at each step of the way. but i will give you this. the senate never would have been a republican majority had the house not become a republican majority, because you would not have had cory gardner. you would not have had cotton. you would not have had from louisiana down, a daines or others.
i mean, you've watched where this country has trended, and if you watched where republicans were when barack obama took over, from the number of governors, from the number of legislative seats and others, we have never been stronger. but we did not run to win a majority. we ran to change a country. so we should not miss this window of opportunity. so when you ask me about the number of days that i -- am i going to judge? no, i'm going to judge on getting the policy right. i'm going to judge on having an honest and fair government, too. so it's not, "are you going to use your power to benefit one person or party, or some other?" no. i've watched that. i didn't like all that that took place. mr. mccarthy: so why don't we leave a legacy that brings us back to three co- equal branches, because that keeps people more honest and in check. the power rests with the people, and for everything that was said about this election, i don't care what side you were on. you should feel good about the country, because the pundits were wrong and everybody else.
so what does that tell you? nobody controls this count -- this government, but the people. if the people get frustrated, they can change direction, regardless what everybody, experts, telling them is going to happen. to me, that's exciting. and i'm excited, and i feel very honored to be able to walk into that building and be a small part of it. and, you know, let's let history write for this window, for this moment in time, did we achieve what we said to the public we would achieve? mr. hohmann: well, kevin mccarthy, house majority leader, thank you so much for your time. i really appreciate it. thank you to everyone who came and thank you to everyone in our television audience, watching on line and on c-span. mr. mccarthy: and i read this every morning. and i tell them, i read it all the way through. and you know why? because he puts a lot of my instagram pics up. so that's why. [laughter] mr. hohmann: you should follow him on instagram. mr. mccarthy: and i do my -- nobody does my instagram but me, so if you like it, give me credit. if you not, tell me to be improved. mr. hohmann: thank you again. mr. mccarthy: thank you. mr. hohmann: it was a pleasure.
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