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teachers get a preparation with english learners? increasingly, english learners are present in suburban communities and rural communities and many teachers did not have intensive preparation. that is a problem. less and that's a problem. number two is working with diverse student populations. getting reparation are struggling with. preparation remedies of the greatities -- there was a program funded through race to the top, clinically rich teacher preparation with a residency which is a great way for folks to get to know their students in school. they had a requirement that before you started your residency, you would do a summer internship in a community-based organization in the same community where your student teacher residency would be.
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working at a domestic violence shelter or health clinic and you were getting to know the parents, the community, the kids contact, so you came into school seeing the kids as whole human beings. then you had the residency program so you're their building relationships. the third piece is particularly important for folks in alternative pathways into teaching is induction support. international competitors, places like singapore, they don't think of teacher preparation is something that ends when you get your degree. it's a process and the expectation is in your first couple of years, you may have a diminished load so you have more time to reflect and observe others. you will have a mentor teacher who works with you who is a master teacher in your school. so i think you are right, there is untapped potential and career
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changers and we need to tap into that. particularly if we are going to close the gaps around stem teaching. but you have to make sure the teachers have the strongest possible support and we set them up for success. >> i thought you eloquently spoke to the need of building up the profession overall and the need for more time during the day to prepare. the work today but i prepared an hour before this event and teachers have to stand up and speak all day long but most of them have virtually no time to do that. we have created a coalition here to help move that agenda of building up the profession and paying them more. any advice in terms of how to move that armored? can it dispel the myth that teachers don't need to be paid more because they get off at 3:00 and have summers off?
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>> sometimes i think we need to use the model of the tv show undercover boss and have more policymakers spend the day experiencing what it is like to be a teacher in a classroom. more perspective around what that is like. oute number two, we put title two dollars and there's away those could be used in smart ways. they could be used in smart ways to support collaborative time, career allowance, identifying mentor teachers and supporting them. there are resources there potentially. we have to insist state legislatures see preparation and development as part of their what theylity and
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have to think about as they invest in their school is how they invest in the teaching careers. then we have to ask at the district level, setting smart policy around teacher collaboration time. when you as a district, labor and management, one of the priorities should be creating more collaborative time. i think in the summer, even before the school year begins, thinking about how you create those hybrid roles like the teachers who are partly in the classroom and partly doing policy work, some of the teacher coaches some districts have developed. there's an opportunity to get that done at the district level and set aside resources. at the end of today, we are not
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going to make teaching better unless we support teachers as the professionals they are enemies the time to collaborate and incentive to be leaders. and the recognition around their leadership. leadershipu for your . we are honored to have you here and grateful for everything you and done for our country our children. if you would join me for thanking the secretary for joining us. [applause] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit] >> just before thanksgiving,
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president-elect donald trump nominated betty devos to be education secretary. at the time, mr. trump issued a statement saying she is a brilliant and passionate education advocate and under her leadership we will reform the u.s. education system and break the bureaucracy that is holding her children back so we can deliver world class education and school choice to families. part of the statement from donald trump. outgoing homeland security secretary, jeh johnson, spoke with david ignatius yesterday on the intelligence community's investigation into russian intervention in the u.s. presidential election and reflections on his three years in the obama administration. >> hello, everyone. i'm vice president for medication and events here at the washington post. thank you for being here tonight and thank you for watching us
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online. i can't think of a more timely the onetion than tonight with the secretary of homeland security, jeh johnson. before we begin, i would like to thank our sponsors. sponsor, raytheon and the center for new american security. quickly, i would like to introduce rick hunt, the vice president for development at raytheon. he's going to say a few words. [applause] rick hunt: welcome. thank you for joining us for the discussion of global and domestic threats to the united states' national security. it is between experienced and great leaders. raytheon is proud to be a sponsor of this series. technology must be flexible and adaptive to identifying targets
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and defeating threats. cyber is non-negotiable in securing the infrastructure. raytheon is committed to innovative solutions for those who secure land, sea, air space, cyber, harbors, and borders. i'm here to listen to these experts, as they discuss the challenges facing national security. thank you. >> thank you. i want to introduce david and secretary johnson. [applause] [applause] david: thank you to chris and rick. it is a pleasure to have
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everyone here for this 2016 securing tomorrow conversation. we have had bob lloyd, susan rice, james clapper, and now, jeh johnson. your subject, homeland security, is in the news. we are in a conversation about russian hacking during the election and i wanted to take you back to the important statement you made with the director of national intelligence, james clapper, on october 7. i am reading in a served of
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this, because -- an excerpt of this, because it sets the stage. you said that the u.s. intelligence community is confident that the russian government directed the theft of the emails from organizations, intended to interfere with the u.s. election process. we believe, based on the scope of these efforts, only the senior-most officials could have authorized these activities. a strong statement. i have opening questions. what is the effect you think that statement had? as others have asked, why did you wait that long, when the reports of the russian hacking went back to the summer, at least? jeh johnson: thank you for having me and it is a pleasure to discuss these issues with you.
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i have learned, whenever you take an action that is significant, someone criticize you -- criticizes you. somebody says, "what took so long?" it was a carefully worded and unprecedented statement. for many of us, including myself, we thought it was important to inform the american public and the voting public about what we saw and to declassify what we were in a position to declassify. we were careful and it took some time. we reviewed evidence and intelligence from the intelligence community and we reached a point where we were prepared to issue this statement.
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we thought it was important to issue the statement before the election, because of what we saw going on. somebody will always criticize you, saying, "why didn't you say it on october 6 or 7?" the most important effect was that we were able to inform the american public about what we saw during the election season and i found it interesting that this was unprecedented. i do not know, in recent history, when the government has accused a superpower of
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attempting to interfere in the political process of the country. as you will remember, that day was the same day as access hollywood and it was below the fold news. now, it is above the fold. i found that interesting. david: i don't want to compare the two. the latest turn in the story is that the members of congress were briefed that, in the judgment of the cia, the intentions of the russians was not just to simply interfere in
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the election process, but to help donald trump and hurt clinton. i want to ask you about the additional aspect. it has been reported, for example, the russians hacked will republican websites and have not released that information, in contrast to the democratic websites. jeh johnson: it is important to put this into context. apparently, there was an inappropriate disclosure of something that was ranked as classified to members of congress and it was hearsay. so, i would urge us all to be
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careful about that. as you know, the president has ordered a review and part of the review will be how we situate ourselves going forward and this kind of cyber environment. it will be done before we leave office and we will declassify as we can declassify for the public to be fully informed about what we saw and what we assessed. the other thing is that it is important to note that, on election night, we had our guard of for this and we had a team
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ready. on election night, we did not see anything that looked like altering ballot counts. there is a certain amount of noise going on out there and we did not see anything that affected the ballot count. david: i should ask if you can assure the country, based on what you said, that russian hacking did not affect the outcome of the election. are you confident about that? jeh johnson: we see no evidence that hacking altered the ballot count or deprive people of
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voting. whether the disclosures that were made that we pointed out in our statement altered the public opinion, that is beyond my level of expertise. david: let me take you back to that statement. the word you and clapper chose was "interfere." was that meant to encompass the idea that you were seeing an attempt to help and hurt? jeh johnson: i am being cross-examined here! interfere is a significant word.
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i am not sure that i can say much more than that. it has different meanings to different authors. it is a very serious word. david: what about affecting the outcome? jeh johnson: i would use the word, "interfere." i want to highlight that the president has directed a comprehensive review of the situation, now that we are past the election and i think it is important to wait for our report. i am sure that we intend to declassify as much as we can to understand what happened and how to better prepare ourselves for the future.
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david: this statement is unprecedented and it was an attempt to stop the russians from taking additional actions, with very specific language. from october 7 two election day, was there an indication of the activities being observed? jeh johnson: a good question and i think that we should wait for all of the facts to come in and, frankly, this is something we should assess. as a general matter, in my
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experience, most nations and superpowers, and there are exceptions you could site for me, they do alter their behavior when you point a finger at them. in this instance, we will have to assess that more comprehensively. david: i want to ask about director clapper and his assessment, trying to pass a -- pass along to the next administration the lessons learned. before we leave this subject, from your standpoint, running dhs and the election day ballots, what are the lessons and what do you take away about
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the vulnerability of the system? jeh johnson: it is a two-part answer. the election system and infrastructure is very decentralized and you have 6000 or 9000 different jurisdictions involved. therefore, you have all sorts of different ways to count votes. most of this occurs off of the internet and, as we go into this in summer and early fall, we have found that a lot of state election systems have ways to audits results and a lot of them
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came to us seeking help with vulnerability scans. we had something like 36 states and we offered the cyber security systems through vulnerability scans and we did identify a number of vulnerabilities, not specific to the system, per se, but the types of things that we could identify for you. that is number one. when we talk about the hacking of the private emails, this is a continuing lesson that is learned by the american public, in general. it is government agencies, newspapers, media outlets,
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universities. they all need to benefit from the lessons learned. there is a lot that we can do with a pained over to's about best practices. do not open attachments you do not recognize. basic training goes a long way to raise barriers and firewalls. the most sophisticated actors can launch the most devastating attacks with spearfishing. somebody opens an attachment they shouldn't and people get inside the wall. david: during the election campaign, donald trump was generally dismissive of a suggestion that russian hacking was playing a key role.
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he was interviewed by chris wallace, talking about the latest analysis by cia analysts and he said that he thought it was ridiculous and he said that he does not need daily intelligence briefings, because they are repetitive. you have had hundreds, thousands of intelligence briefings and you have gotten to know the cia well. i want to ask you what your judgment is with the agency and what you think the comments from the present elect did. -- president-elect had an effect on the morale of the employees there. jeh johnson: i am a consumer of intelligence products, particularly in this job. that means that we get products
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from a number of intelligence agencies and, every once in a while, you will have a dissenting opinion. in large, they all concur and, in this job, the most important part of my day is in the order of consuming information every morning. i get up and i read the washington post, the new york times -- in that order! what happened last night when i was asleep? a political alert by electronics. i get to work and my book is on my desk and it is the first thing i look at.
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it is important to note that the intelligence assessments in the things generated by intelligence agencies are often a synopsis of what is going on in the world, a mixture of the classified and not classified. from reading intelligence products, you find out what is happening in syria and iraq. from there, frankly, if i have time, i get to the print newspapers and see how you guys are covering what is happening in the world, if you have it right or wrong. i always find time for the new york post. david: page six, no doubt. a regular stop. jeh johnson: for somebody like
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me, the most important part of the day is the hour when i am consuming the intelligence assessments, to know what is happening in the world and the threats to the homeland. after i am done, i go down and we literally walk through the intelligence i have read and it is my opportunity to ask questions and hear specific items. it is incredibly important. i am hoping and assuming that the incoming administration will treat this equally. david: i want to put pressure on this. do you think it was important for the president elect to make that kind of comment about intelligence officers who were briefed in congress and are
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responsible for the foreign threats to the country? jeh johnson: in my experience, our analysts at the cia and all of these agencies in the alpha that soup are very careful, deliberate. before the intelligence products reach somebody at my level or at the level of the president, it will have been coordinated and vetted by numerous different agencies. it is good to scrutinize and to challenge the assessments, once in a while. i am not afraid to do that. do not just take it as written. ask what supports this and how do we know that. it is good to challenge things.
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in my experience, our men and women in the intelligence community gather and assess intelligence and they are deliberate. if they were not, they would not be in the positions they occupy. david: before i turn to other questions to members of the audience are those on c-span who would like to join in the "cross-examination" of the secretary of homeland security, send in your questions to the hashtag. the king of twitter, donald trump, i don't know if he is watching, but we invite any questions he has. i want to ask you about john kelly, a distinguished general,
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but new to homeland security. you told me that you knew him when you are the pentagon general counsel and i want to ask you about him and whether you have already begun the transition conversations with him. if so, what sort of things have you talked about? >> well, my conversations are >> well, my conversations are private. i know him well from when he was the military assistant and i was a general counsel. we have traveled together with the secretary and i was present in november 2010, when his son's casket arrived. general kelly is a man of
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character and integrity and i believe that he will be well received by dhs. david: without asking for details, as you think about turning over the position to him, what do you want to make sure he understands? jeh johnson: the first observation and recommendation that i have said publicly, i think it is important for the next leadership team to continue our efforts to reform the way that the department of homeland security does business. management reform. we work to stovepiped as an agency. -- were too stovepiped, as an agency.
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we have done a lot to centralize the decision-making, when it comes to budgets and acquisitions. hiring, we created joint task forces. border security, all the resources are coordinated by one task force. the same in the southeast. it is modeled after a combat and command structure. congress endorsed this and codified it. we put cement over that and it will stay there. we have joint requirement councils and i am pleased that we have turned the corner on the morale of the department.
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the morale went up 3%. it does not sound like much. the increase of three percentage points is significant and i hope that the next leadership team focuses on the satisfaction of employees and their engagement. and, all of the different efforts made to improve services. in this job, one must always be vigilant about the threats to homeland security, whether terrorism, cyber, aviation. and, immigration policy is always a learning exercise and it is an issue with a lot of a motion. one has to be extraordinarily patient. david: one of the first assignments is building a wall around the mexico border. and, immigration policy is always a learning exercise and it is an issue with a lot of a motion.
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one has to be extraordinarily patient. david: one of the first assignments is building a wall around the mexico border. jeh johnson: we do have a wall. david: the wall that we have and what he is talking about building, is it feasible? do you, as secretary of homeland security, think there is more that could be done to make the border more secure? jeh johnson: pursuant to the act of 2006, we have built out walls, fences, in the places where it makes sense.
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the border consists of the rio grande and there are deserts and mountains. for much of the urban areas, there is a wall. my predecessor used to say, show me a 10 foot wall and i will show you an 11 foot ladder or tunnel. these guys went through a wall in arizona. the answer is not necessarily a wall. if you talk to border security experts, they will tell you, more surveillance, more technology, more equipment.
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we need to monitor the migration patterns, as they shift. it is 2000 miles and that is what they say. i have only been at this three years, but it is long enough to know that, when you are dealing with illegal immigration, you have to offer people who are desperate the alternative safe and legal path. there is a regional solution and you have to address the underlying conditions that motivate a seven-year-old to travel from guatemala, the entire length of mexico, to the
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southwest border. the people who are desperate, you know, we put out information about the dangers of the journey and they say to me that, some of these countries, they are more dangerous. that is why they left. we have to address poverty and violence in central america. i am pleased that congress began this effort, otherwise, we will deal with this for a long time. apprehension numbers have gone down. they are a fraction of what they were and a lot of that is from economic factors. the mexican economy is better. it is also the case that it is down because of border security
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and the demographics have changed. it is women and children from central america and they are desperate to get here. we need to make the investment in remedying the factors, which is powerful. david: let me ask you about the question of the undocumented immigrants in the country and what should be done with them. there has been a discussion about deportation of undocumented is realistic. speak to this question. jeh johnson: in one or 10 years, even if you were trying to fund it, you cannot deport people. and, the president elect has said that we should focus on the criminals, which is what we are doing.
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we have priorities and we are focused on convicted criminals. those who are deported are convicted criminals and that is the focus they will need to have. we have to reckon with the remainder of the 11 million who are here. over half of them have been here for more than 10 years and they are becoming integrated members of the society. they have kids and they have driver's licenses, in many states. the supreme court says that the undocumented person has a right to practice law in this country.
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will we be content to leave them in the shadows and working off of the books russian mark will we get them on the books and make them pay taxes? as you know, we have done this for the daca kids, a successful program that was launched in 2012. my observation is that the responsible population of people includes the parents of u.s. citizens and those who have been here for more than five years. my hope is that congress will reckon with this.
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these people are not going away. because it is the right thing to do, i think we need to account for these people. david: what do you think the consequences would be for enforcement in workplaces and other places? jeh johnson: it would be disruptive and the next secretary of homeland security will get phone calls from angry members of congress who have their constituents rated. -- raided, particularly in the agricultural industry. if you do this the wrong way, you are just encouraging people to go into the shadows.
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the reality is that there are ways to control and encourage guestworker programs and we need to revise the ways we do these things. this encourages the economy and innovation. that is a bill that was pending in congress and what it would have done. so, i really hope the next administration will wrestle with this tough issue. there are ways to accomplish, what i think is, a bipartisan compromise. it will make a lot more sense. david: it is encouraging that i am only now coming to what have -- would have been the first thing i would normally ask the
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secretary, counterterrorism. we have to ask you about how secure the homeland is and whether you feel that the problems over the last two years has really worried people, these lone wolf actors, like orlando. do you think that problem is under control? jeh johnson: homeland security motivates the public service. i was in manhattan and i remember 9/11 like it was yesterday. over the last 15 years, we have gotten a lot that are at
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detecting, at the early stages, another 9/11-type plot from overseas. planned, trained, equipped overseas. you have to sort out the noise from what is real. so, we have gotten better at protecting those sorts of plots. the self-radicalized lone wolf-style actor, who is homegrown, my observation is that isis has outsourced by relying on factors to do their dirty work.
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we have to be vigilant, when it comes to protecting infiltrators of our borders. it is the self-radicalized that keeps me up. it will be like this for a while. these factors are difficult to detect. they strike with little or no notice. i think that the fbi does an excellent and aggressive job in the counterterrorism mission, predicting and interdicting plots. those who go out and buy a knife, a gun, the components for
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a pressure cooker bomb, it is a challenge. i have been out there for three years and promoting better information sharing with local police forces. the cop who is on the feet is the next one to tell. if you see something, say something. that makes a difference. public vigilance makes a difference. the lady who discovered the not exploded bomb in september, if you keep seeing these signs, you call the cops. i have the cve efforts. we build bridges to muslim
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american communities. it will help them in the homeland security efforts. we have to respond and we have to respond by offering the assistance through grantmaking and building bridges to help them with the countering measures. that is imperative. david: there has been heated rhetoric during the presidential campaign with muslim communities abroad and what people feared would affect muslim communities
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here. i wonder if you see any evidence of a change in sentiment and i am curious if you have had a chance to talk to your likely successor, general can -- general kelly, on this issue. johnson: i want to keep my conversations with but likely successor private. i would say that american muslim communities are concerned and they are worried. islam is as diverse as christianity. the pakistani-american in boston is different from a syrian community in houston or minneapolis.
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i think they are concerned and they are worried. i hope the rhetoric does not drive them away, vilify them, isolate them. i believe there is bipartisan support for the basic efforts and i think that it is unfortunate that countering violent extremism has been somewhat hijacked by the political debate with islamic extremism versus violent extremism. i hope that does not persist and, from my practical standpoint, to refer to what is happening when you talk about the homegrown violent extremists as islamic extremism, it is
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counterproductive to building bridges to the islamic community. they all tell me that isis is trying to hijack their religion and we should not dignify that by saying they occupy any aspect of islam. so, to try to approach it that way is counter to the effort. when i was at the department of defense and talking about targeted lethal force, it did not matter what the baseball card said. they were either lawful or they were not. that was kind of academic to me. there is a bad guy and you have a lawful military objective to get him. i think we do more to setback our efforts to say to american
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muslims that there is a problem with the religion. islam is a religion of peace. david: it sounds like a direct warning to the next administration. you mentioned something that was part of your life at the pentagon, but you are still following it closely. it was targeted strikes. a week ago, i wrote in a column that special forces have made targeted strikes in iraq and syria and the killed over 20,000 targets. it threatens external operations and i want to ask you whether it is central to the story of keeping our world secure and whether you think the rules in place are adequate or would be appropriate after the years you serve. jeh johnson: i think that the
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rules are adequate and it is important that there is rigorous decision-makers from my own vantage point. jeh johnson: i think that the rules are adequate and it is important that there is rigorous decision-makers from my own vantage point. it was my responsibility to sign off on every counterterrorism operation authorized by the united states military and i
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took it seriously. it weighed on me and i think it is important that -- the answer to your first question is, yes, i think that target lethal force makes the homeland safer and i think we are getting better at this. i think we have become more precise and we have taken out a lot of people who were focused on external attack planning and the leaders of isis aq and ap. it is a cool that should be used judiciously and a lot of people are uneasy about the target vehicle force because they view
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it as easy to use, a push of a button from something remote. i understand that and that is why we need to have systems and processes in place to evaluate the use and to use this thing carefully. david: this is a country that is anxious about homeland security. do you think that people would feel safer if they knew a little bit more about the things the military as special forces are doing overseas to go after those who are doing external operations? jeh johnson: there is probably a side of this that the american public would not care to see. i watched -- tried to watch --
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the video of every strike i authorized and they are pretty ugly. they are not pleasant. we have, in this administration, i think, made the best efforts at transparency and i gave a speech at yale, talking about the legal architecture efforts . i gave a speech at oxford four years ago about the legal architecture for our counterterrorism efforts in the department of defense. and i think that we need to continue that. this didn't get a lot of attention, but, in the war powers filing in 2012, we declassified what the department of defense was doing in somalia, yemen, because we thought it was important to tell the public that we had counterterrorism
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operations in those two countries against the a q affiliated elements of al-shabab. because we shouldn't have secret enemies. the public needs to know what the military is doing on their behalf to keep them safe. i hope the next and administration sees this that way and will continue those efforts. i think it is important for transparency and credibility. david: a power of full image of -- powerful image you watching , all of those videos. it is something i will remember. i want to go to twitter. there is an interesting question. it goes to the subject. you workingy, are with the tech industry, google and amazon, a company we know well, to use big data and analytics to find a high valued targets. jeh johnson: i am not sure that i would put it that way.
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we have a good relationship with the tech sector in homeland security, for reasons of building cyber security capabilities, information sharing with them. the cbe efforts we talked about. i am encouraging -- this is nonresponsive to your question -- i am encouraging in my current role the tech sector to work closely with us for cyber security purposes. with our end kick. it is a delicate relationship and it is something , we need to continue to work on. david: i should have noted the , questioner was thinking about , in particular, extremists in
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the homeland who are identified using these data analytics. not just people in syria. jeh johnson: all the internet providers have terms of service and things that are prohibited, in terms of content. we have been working with and encouraging service providers to take them prohibited, terrorist content where they find it. this is a difficult exercise, sometimes like chasing a rabbit. the way the internet works right now it is out there in a flash , and it is all over the place. i gave a number of internet service providers credit for taking this stuff down. policing it as best they can. the flipside is that i would see -- some are doing
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this -- internet service providers help to amplify the counter message. the message to counter isil with a positive message on how they could channel their energy and their anger. some are doing that. we are off to a good start. there is more that can be done. david: let's turn to a different face of homeland security, the mood of the country. >> you can watch the rest of this event with the homeland videoty secretary in our library. going to leave it here now for a live discussion with immigration specialist on sanctuary cities and immigration laws. this newsmaker event to get at the national press club. if you are interested in joining, please see me afterwards. sanctuary cities is an extremely important issue today. we have 300 of these
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jurisdictions. the governor of new york is proposing that new york become a sanctuary state. san francisco is proposing funding, legal -- funding legal fees for illegal -- undocumented workers. with that, i think i have spoken long enough and we will have each speaker speak 10 to 12 minutes and then we will have questions and answers. represents the anti-immigration city side. she is the policy director for the center of immigration studies. williams stock is with the immigrant lawyers association. he represents the process sure a city side to with that, jessica and


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