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places up to 33 overall with big gains in public persuasion and relations with congress. how did our historians rate your favorite president? look at the winners and losers in each of the 10 categories. find all of this and more on our website at c-span.org. >> "washington journal" continues. with philip here crowley to talk about trumps foreign-policy agenda. you pointed out that donald trump ran against the government that he is now leading. so how is that impacted his efforts when it comes to foreign policy? guest: foreign policy is under construction. and it is a slow process. under anyally slow administration. it takes time to get a team up and running. it takes team to get -- it takes
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time to get a team put together and for the execution of foreign policy centered around the white house room and the principles process. is slower because as an anti-establishment candidate, he has run against the foreign-policy establishment. i am part of that. so in particular, at the present time, he has denied himself some of the country's best expertise to help him develop and formulate his foreign-policy. host: and selected a first-time government official was no experience, rex tillerson, to be secretary of state. he had the first foreign trip last week and he has headed to mexico today. your thoughts on how he is doing? guest: certainly if you are the mobil, axon multinational corporation, you have a skill set that applies to being secretary of state.
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you have an internationalist point of view. you have a contact list that is very deep. you have done deals around the world. i think he has to now figure out how to bring that skill set into the governing processes. i think he is struggling a little bit to connect himself to the building that he now leads at foggy bottom. guest: help make of a problem is this headline from the washington times -- "tillerson looking lonely at the top of the state department." 100 positions yet to be filled. guest: starting with debbie. with deputy of state. he wanted elliott, elliott would be the coo of the state department. and that appointment was turned down by the trump white house. has yet to bury
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the hatchet with some of those people who were highly critical of the president as a candidate for office. we are talking with the , philipf a book crowley. talking about his time in the state department and foreign-policy and foreign policy in the trump administration. republicans call in on (202) 748-8001. .emocrats, (202) 748-8000 independent callers, (202) 748-8002. i want to talk about your book. you reference -- who supported president here he truman and told his republican colleagues at the time that we must stop partisan politics at the water's edge. use a politics of an stop at the water's edge anymore? government0 years of
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i heard that expression many times. to understand american foreign-policy today, you have to understand the impact of american domestic politics. we think back, for example, to the 2000 election. george w. bush ran on a conventional conservative foreign-policy. there were borders that were constructed in 2000 but the borders of that operated on 9/11 and he had significant political had a narrative around the war on terror. you are either with us or against us. and he crafted a strategy around that narrative. that led us to the overreach in a rock. and barack obama was the counter narrative. and obama's foreign policy, whether you like it or not, was he advertised in the campaign in 2008, he largely delivered as foreign-policy in his office. in his first 30 days has been very much trying to act on his major elements of
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his campaign rhetoric. he is moderating in some areas but he talked about a band and he has lamented the wall. skeptic on multinational trade and he has eliminated the transpacific partnership. so as george w. bush said, elections matter. host: phone lines are open and kathleen is up first in ohio on the line for democrats. caller: good morning. i have read so many things you have written. of hours forreds obama and when he appointed hillary clinton as secretary of state i almost croaked because of her vote for a rock and that she does have a war hawk history. and with clinton, she pushed for the intervention in libya and arming unknown rebels in syria. so trump -- i wouldn't have voted for him in a million years and did not, but some of the
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-- in hissays immigration -- in his inauguration he said we would not impose american values on other nations and they have a right to protect their own security. i am attracted to what he said about how we are not innocent. don't killd we journalists but what we have done in a rock and libya and has left death and destruction in their wake. these media outlets don't cover what the conditions are now in those countries. think about trump? do you think he will stand by that? that we will not impose our legend in moral valuesw? ? do you think trump will stand by what he said?
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far, he seems to every enforce what he have said -- what he has said on the campaign trail. positive and potentially negative implications. i certainly think through his eight years in office, barack obama would periodically say that nationbuilding begins at home unti. thatn't a great leap from narrative to making america great again. so i think trump was elected to pay more attention to the challenges inside the united states. i think that is what the majority of the american people want him to do. so by the very nature of being president of the united states, being leader of the free world, we have to take an internationalist view, in terms of our foreign-policy. be ask donald trump will skeptical as barack obama was in terms of the potential applications of interventionism.
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barack obama was very cautious about his approach to syria. donald trump will be as well. host: new york, victor is an independent. good morning. are you with us? turn your radio down. we go to kenny and florida. good morning. caller: good morning. book, but byd your the title, it talks about a fractured state. who are you referring to as the fractured state? as far as i am concerned, obama has been running the government for the last eight years, does he take responsibility for what is going on in the world? you were deputy director? is a subtitle of "american foreign-policy in a time of fractured states."
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today, itk at yemen may be one country or two. iraq may be one country or three. syria maybe one country or four countries. my intent was to suggest that we do have, right now, a profound skepticism among the american public. it is shared by democrats and republicans. said, john quincy adams the careful about going off in search of foreign monsters to destroy. i think that guided barack obama. he did launch the limited intervention in libya but pulled back quickly. and he was very cautious about getting involved to try to onose a military solution syria. and his most significant mandate coming into office in 2009 was
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to get the united states out of iraq. he did that for limited amount of time but we are now back, using air power with a limited use of ground forces. what donald trump is going to do is continue that policy but we will lie on forces in the region to defeat the islamic state. we will not be able to do that for them. was: one of your jobs working as a staffer for the national security council. what is your thought on the selection of h.r. mcmaster for the advisor role there? guest: michael flynn was a military tactician in the intelligence community. but to be the national security adviser, it relies more significantly on having a strategic view. h.r. mcmaster is a profound military strategist. perspective will
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serve him well as national security advisor. it remains to be seen how well the team will gel. if you look at rex tillerson, jim mathis, mike pompeo, dan coats to be confirmed as director of national intelligence and h.r. mcmaster -- this is a highly skilled team. but they have to come together and gel to get the processes up and running so that we can add greater texture to the trump foreign-policy. host: national security adviser is not a job that requires a senate confirmation that a story from roll call yesterday -- h.r. mcmaster will need a senate confirmation if he wants to keep his three stars as lieutenant general. the job will entail a demotion unless the senate signs off. the story noting that the process is already underway.
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new hampshire, ron, good morning. caller: good morning. as always, you guys have the guys have theou greatest guests. thank you so much. for your guest, i have a question and comment. i will start with my question. russia, we have been having the russian jets diving at our ships in the mediterranean. aggressive and basically stupid. donald trump just doesn't have what it takes -- he is going to end up shooting down one of the jets and we could end up as a war in russia. or he will basically go to bed with vladimir putin.
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don't think we need to go that far. so my question is, can trump fight isis without basically russia'snto bed with president putin? my comment is that donald trump will never be a legitimate president for me. never. my president as barack obama was his president or the republicans president. host: we will let dj crowley jump in. guest: as an american and i served 26 years in the united states air force. not,wise voted for him or i want the trump presidency to be successful. i have concerns about some of early actions as president. regarding russia, i think he is going to find over time that his aspiration for having a constructive relationship with vladimir putin is perfectly
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reasonable. think back over the last two presidents. george w. bush had high hopes when he met vladimir putin for 2001.rst time in june a here's later, he was very disillusioned as russia intervened in georgia. the obama administration attempted a reset with russia and it had some success when -- was the president for one term. ended when putin returned to power and we still have the challenge in ukraine. ishink trump will find out that while he really to find out if there are areas when you can cooperate -- north korea may be an example -- an area of common interest between america and russia is narrowing and the areas of conflict are expanding. with reflective syria, i think we can and will defeat the , withc state caliphate minimal help from russia.
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nationsition of 60 plus has turned the tide and now it is just a measure of 18 happens. it could be months or years before we are successful. host: how do you keep isis from a coming something else after that? guest: isis will become something else. territoryit heals the , it will be an insurgent force. there is an ideology behind the islamic state and al qaeda and other groups. that ideology is finding a way to manifest itself. one of my chapters is entitled "the war within islam." we have a stake in the outcome of the struggle but ultimately, it will have to be the islamic world and the arab world that solves the broad challenge represented by the islamic state. with p. j. crowley will be us for another 10 minutes to
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take your comments. robert is waiting period good morning. caller: good morning. trumphesitantly vote for and i regret that i did in many ways. used carrump is like a salesman. he will go out and overpromise something and then deal with it accordingly. and i think we are seeing that already. the other thing i have noticed about him is that throughout the campaign, he has no problem -- heially destroying will attack those around him with no problem and no concern for what he did -- and now we are seeing that disintegration with the recent ruling where there was no concern for those who had green cards or visas. he probably knew that would happen anyway.
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so it goes back to overpromising and then dealing with the things that come around. that is what i have noticed about him. , in the end, it will be a compromise. a joint venture between the united states and mexico -- he has always known that. i think he knew he would not prosecute hillary clinton. so i have a real problem trusting him and i probably never will. i will take your comments off the air. guest: yes, i think if i have a criticism of the president, i don't think he used the transition to the best possible effect. take his campaign rhetoric and make it more realistic. think we arei going to strengthen our border security. that certainly is a mandate that he received from the american people. but there is no way he is going to get mexico to pay for that wall. i think it was an air were i
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bringing that talking point into his presidency. and obviously, it has created a breach between the united states and mexico that rex tillerson and john kelly will try to begin to narrow today. challengeat is the that we face. i respect the fact that he is pursuing what he sees as his electoral mandate, but by the same token, i think there needs hope, and will be, i steep learning curve as we go forward. aring the transition he had call with the president of taiwan and he put the one china policy on the table as a question. since then, he has had a discussion with the president of china to say that yes we will rely on the one china policy. we had jim matheson yesterday that we would not steal anybody's oil. whost of people last week reassured that we do believe in
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nato, notwithstanding the rhetoric about it being obsolete. i think that will be h.r. .cmaster's challenge he sees something that the american people want him to do, how can he adapt his foreign-policy going forward to be more your the stick -- to be more realistic. host: let's go to melinda. good morning. veronica, an independent. go ahead. caller: yes. nice to meet you this morning. question yout the all are talking about today but i do want to say that i heard something yesterday or the day before about what he was talking about -- how god made everybody free on earth. and i just want to see -- why ifs everybody have to suffer god put everybody here on earth.
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why does he have to take offybody and take everybody the earth and separate everybody? i think everybody is allowed to be on the earth as god has made it. and if foreigners are messing up than those of the people who need to be deported. but there are people -- my , we are fighting for him now to come back home and it is killing me alive. i think there are people out there that are bad. but you also have illegal immigrants who are here to work. and to do the right thing. so i want to know. how is he going to be able to fix this? veronica from mississippi, speaking about the headline that is the editorial board of usa today's opinion. spreading unnecessary fear. the capital is behind us.
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the sooner we come together as a nation and fix the immigration system, and deal with the 11 million immigrants who are here, it will be better. issurer e is a great about the path to citizenship and that is something we have to fix, the sooner the better. i was encouraged by trump in his conversation with the prime minister trudeau from canada. trudeau was adjusting strongly to the president that you can be an open society and be a secure society. i happen to believe that. but president trump did say that we do have to address this as a hemisphere. .e have a hemispheric economy
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that has actually been good for the united states, canada and mexico. if you want to solve the problem of immigration in the united states, helping to strengthen the united -- helping to strengthen the mexican economy is a way to do that. so there is a contradiction of what the president has said so far -- pulling jobs back from mexico into the united states, interconnected society -- that could be helpful but overall, i think the negatives outweigh the positives. so he has to approach this as a hemisphere. we will see what happens in the meetings today in mexico. i think that will be beneficial for the united states in the long run. and i think it will help our economy and our partners in canada and mexico. maryland, alec is a democrat. caller: thank you for taking my call. donald trump went on record to state that the united states is not so innocent in our actions
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abroad. and i am very curious -- my first question i have is that i have a number of conservative colleagues who would agree with that statement. and i'm very curious to your your thoughts on why it is easy for individuals to accept that we are not so innocent abroad, however, they are unable to accept the blatant racism that people in the united states still suffer from today. the second question i have is in regards to russia -- i am very interested to understand why or theit seems that establishment of russia seems to -- people seem to be convinced that they actually have americans interest at hand. or that they have our priorities or they share our priorities,
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when that has not always been the case. the third question i have -- host: we will not yield to do that. a lot of calls to take. guest: if you go back to president obama's speech at the nobel prize ceremony when he was awarded the nobel prize in 2009, he said that there is evil in the world. and there is. and i think the united states a principal hope for much of the world. they look at us to help them solve problems and we have done that in the past. have we done that in perfectly? we have made mistakes overseas in the past and pay for them. -- there was a logic to focusing on iraq after 9/11. i think we could have solved that challenge without invading the country. dealing withill the ripple effects of that. so yes, there was great
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international hope. people invest in the united states and that is an asset to us. have made mistakes overseas. i do believe that when president aama said we remain caller: good morning. i want to make the point, trump not an interventionist. n 2004 we overthrew the ukrainian government. then they got back in and again.rew them -- n, 2011, we boosted up and went in 2011 went to egypt and overthrew them
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nd then mccain and his two uddies went to libya and got godafe and went to hassad, syria, and we are the problem. with the the problem armed services committee. agree with trump with putin, putin is the peace maker. putin had a naval base in syria for over 30 years, but our press does not say that. they make it sound like we, like with suddenly came in and raided syria on hassad's part, not true. host: mr. crowley. is a lot here. ladamir putin is not a peace maker. is a rationale actor in a
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brutal sense and will pursue on how russia perceives national interest. is a rationale actor in a brutal sense and will of interest and values with a vladamir putin. in terms of the turmoil that years, i in recent disagree with you regarding the they's. yes, the united states is part and did to alliance intervene in libya and helped overthree l force godafe. is better off ld saddam hussein. is iraq better off without saddam hussein? not yet. the other elements and iran has to some extent, united states, president did encourage barak, to
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dramatic , but the demonstration of the square was not something demonstration of the square was not something generated here from washington. we are having to react to the ripple effects, but ukraine was the demonstration was not omething cooked up in washington. host: less than a minute left. you resigned from the state criticizing the entagon and how they were manning, i want your thoughts on president obama's decision to pardon chelsea manning before leaving office. uest: yeah, i was surprised he did it. in the manning, i want your thoughts on president the 's book, i thought army should the army should offer chelsea manning parole at the first opportunity, but i think while it was important for chelsea significant rve prison, i time in
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think president obama showed and ce of justice are ssion, you know, leaks that a challenge in our government, the trump administration is dealing with that, but ultimately solving the problem, prosecute your way to a solution. i thought the president made a reasonable decision. book, "red line: american foreign policy in a time of fractured politics and failing states" states". come back again, don't make it so long since the last time you came back. you.: thank host: coming up, alan gomez with u.s.a. today" joins us, reporter there discussing immigration guidelines drafted by the department of homeland security. we'll be right back. >> in case you missed it, here c-span's of programming last week. kentucky senator rand paul spoke at the news conference about the op plan to replace the affordable care act. >> it's going to legalize the inexpensive insurance.
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