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c kicks off tomorrow and on our companion network. it starts with kellyanne conway at 9:00. pacer in the day, more c speeches. eastern, it is mike ac and live on c-span. as donald trump delivers his address to the joint session of congress. >> this will be the busiest congress we have had in decades. c-span.o c-span and
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rg. ministers and foreign spoke over the weekend at the munich security conference and touched on foreign policy under the trump administration, n, and theisis, ira israeli and palestinian conflict. i am the chief international correspondent of the bbc and here we are on sunday in munich the middle east. the french have an expression. the more changes, the more it remains the same. there is a new man in the white house and there is a new man in new york. there are new facts on the
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ground in the middle east, but the same old conflicts and the old and rising tensions. in the opening video, it was said that we need clarity on what trunk plans to do and not do. even more, we need clarity on what the region leaders plan to do and we got a good sense of that in these opening says shannon's. blame to gonty of around and what he did not say is that everyone blames iran. we saw that graphically in the last session. we had senator graham saying
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that it is now time for congress to take on iran. senators murphy and taking saying it is not time to get involved in proxy wars. ladies and gentlemen, what time is it? we are honored to have three speakers join us this morning, one after the other, and they will speak separately. that, too, is a measure of the regional tensions. the minister of israel, the foreign minister of saudi arabia , and the foreign minister of turkey. we will begin with a man who has been the defense minister of the state of israel since the last year. he has been a member of the israeli parliament since 1999, and he has held almost every senior position in the government of the state of israel. he is the founder of an israeli political party.
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they call him the kingmaker. what will he make of war or peace in the middle east? gentlemen, mr. lieberman. >> thank you very much. good morning. to speak frankly, i don't have any speech, but only some remarks, and i will start maybe from the first remark. there is one very famous former american commander, and he explains we are facing three challenges. iran, iran, and iran. i only refuse and confirm this approach. first of all, the first challenge is the iranian nuclear ambitions and ballistic missiles
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, and the smuggling of weapons, very sophisticated weapons, to every problematic place in the middle east. manufactureesire to guided missiles and every problematic place. it does not matter if it is yemen or lebanon or syria. , ofsecond challenge is course, their efforts to undermine stability in every country in the middle east. we can start with bahrain, from bahrain to yemen, from yemen to lebanon, from lebanon to syria. i think their main destination at the end of the day's saudi arabia, and i will be happy to
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hear my colleague, minister of foreign affairs of saudi arabia. of course, the third problem is their pattern of behavior to .reate proxy in every place in lebanon, we have has blocked -- we have hezbollah. we have the who do militias in yemen, shia militias in iraq, etc., etc. and, of course, all of this is under the umbrella of the biggest and most powerful and brutal and sophisticated terror organization in the world , the iranian revolutionary guard and their control of the terrorist number one in the world.
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but regardless of israel, if i tried to understand what we have since the signing of the nuclear deal between p5 plus one , it is a first of all competition organized in tehran denial cartoonst with a first prize of $50,000. there are hebrew inscriptions that say israel must be wiped out. we saw a state department report last august on global terrorism iran clearly stated that is the top state sponsor of terror in the world. just a few days ago, we saw a wild mob in downtown tehran,
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shouting death to america and death to israel. iran is developing ballistic missiles contrary to un security 2231 and hasution strong cooperation with north korea. iran persecute us ethnic and andgious minorities journalists and activists and civil society figures. close to 600 people were executed by the regime in 2016. with little or no due legal process, the highest execution rate in the world. of course, it is a clear picture, and maybe if you ask me what the biggest news is in the
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middle east, i think that the 1948 that since moderates arab well, sunnis well , the biggest threat for them is not israel, not jews, but iran and the iranian proxy. it is also opportunity. we are open for a regional .ialogue completely different dialogue. i think the ball is on the record today. -- on their court today. but it is clear that the real threat in the middle east is not jews, not muslims, but jews, not -- not muslims, not christians, but moderate people against radical people. our vision today is to create this coalition of moderate people in the middle east to tendency,his radical
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and i hope that at the end of the day we will succeed. thank you. [applause] lieberman, you have started by telling us, as we understand you told secretary of defense matches when you met him itt the problem as you see in the region is iran, iran, iran. what are you calling for? is it sanctions, as we heard in are you session, or looking at military pressure? what is on the table? mr. liberman: it is a combination of economic pressure, very tough policy, and
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, of course, to impose our decisions or resolutions of security council. for example, both ballistic missiles -- the ballistic missiles. weis clear that today suffered in the last period from a lack of political will and determination. we have discussed many times about soft power. i think the results of soft power or seen today in the middle east. but the former secretary of state kerry is here. dealt with one of the problems in the region, the iran nuclear program, through negotiations. the morning was started calling for dialogue. is there no option to try to
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discuss a way out of this crisis? mr. liberman: i think it is an attempt to avoid reality. there are similar results with the deal with north korea. the iran deal is copy paste what we had with north korea. in no doubt, if you ask every people, every man, every woman in the middle east, everybody be antands that iran will example of north korea. lyse: we understand what iran wants. we heard it from prime minister netanyahu when he went to the white house. he is talking about a broader coalition which involves israel and arab states. but when you talk to a room states, they say, we cannot work with israel on this until you salt what is the core issue for them, which is the israeli-palestinian conflict. we heard from president trump, one state, tuesday, whatever the
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parties like. what do you like? mr. liberman: i can speak about it willion, and maybe be a very long explanation. lyse: i think we all know the history of the israeli-palestinian conflict, so -- mr. liberman: it is very interesting. today, and i completely agree [indiscernible] right-wing government. the question, what happened with previous governments? we had very dovish governments. everything was ready for the huge ceremony in the white house
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, and at the last moment, mahmoud abbas refused to sign the final agreement. february's go to 2017, . what is on your agenda now you -- your agenda now? my vision is a two state solution. i believe it is necessary for us to keep the jewish state. i think also, regarding the jewish state and palestinian state, there is a huge misunderstanding. my biggest problem will have a proposal. we will establish very homogenic palestinian states without even one jew. we will become a binational state with muslims 20% of the population, palestinians.
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ofhink the basic principle solution must include exchange of land and population. it does not make sense to create .ne homogenic palestinian state the other problem, palestinians don't have capacity to sign a final agreement with israel. it is possible lonely -- only as a regional solution. no incremental process, but simultaneously. we must sign simultaneously the regional solution with palestinians. lyse: so you like this idea of going back to the original proposal by saudi arabia, a broader arab-israeli -- mr. liberman: i have spoken many
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this.about there are some positive , some paragraphs that are completely unacceptable for us. today, at least, there is not the standing that the biggest problem of the middle east -- it's not the palestinian issue. but in it is an issue, the past it was very easy to explain all problems of the arab world because we had the israeli-palestinian conflict. today it is clear that iran has tieses -- there are no between tunisia or syria or libya and the israeli-palestinian dispute.
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our problems will keep the situation with the palestinians under control. it does not look like egypt, syria, or human. -- yemen. said,as president obama the two state solution is not sustainable, but there is a new administration. what does the international community want? how many still believe that a two state solution is the better way forward? i see these hands way up. it --rry we have to and end it. minister liberman, we are glad to have you here. thank you very much for your intervention. join me, please. [applause] from israel's powerful
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sense thatister, a iran is the main problem, that the israeli-palestinian conflict is an issue on the agenda, but in his view and the minds of many israeli officials, not the main problem. we turn now to a country which used to describe itself as having zero problems with its neighbors, but now we are in 2017. turkey finds itself trying to be part of the solutions to all of its neighbors' problems. there are now turkish troops just outside mosul and iraq. there are no turkish troops in northern's -- now turkish troops in northern syria. turkey is trying to forge a political solution in syria. so what does turkey want for the region, and what role does it play at this time? the foreign minister is going to
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join us. he is a member of parliament and a founding member of turkey's ruling party, the justice and development party. he has been the minister of foreign affairs since november 2015. us.se join you.ank thank you so much. peace at home, peace in the world, and zero problems with neighbors is still the main principle foreign policy of turkey. turkish troops are in syria to defeat daesh, and we had to bang two bases inave .raq thank you very much for giving this clarification. ladies and gentlemen, we are not living in an easy world today.
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in america, and europe, and other parts of the world, we have 70 challenges that society is worried, but in our region, as i think we have all agreed is the most difficult one. today, the middle east faces a mountain of security challenges. these include civil war's, sectarianism. the palestinian-israel problem is one of them. the best solution is the two-state solution. the two state solution is so the 50 year end occupation of the palestinian territories, which is a major problem for peace and security of the whole region, not only in israel and palestine. so we should focus on the two
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state solution, and by virtue of each and every new israel , it diminishes the call for a viable political solution. it was the original status of jerusalem -- it is important for the entire islamic world. israel should recognize the and step into a new harmony with its neighbors. it is good that now we are normalizing our relations with israel. i am sure that turkey will have the possibility now to contribute more to middle east peace. we have been following altogether the complex in syria -- the conflicts in syria and what we have to do now in syria. first, we have to consolidate the cease-fire.
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together with russia, and sometimes with the support of -- [indiscernible] we allocated 45,000 people from aleppo. we started the political process. but now we need to resume the main basis for the political solution and transition, and it is the best solution for the country. this solution is also essential for a more effective fight against daesh and other organizations, which is the main problem in syria. we need to defeat these terrorist organizations in syria altogether. the gu number -- the geneva community and the human security council resolution are the basis
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for the solution in syria. so how are we going to defeat daesh in syria and iraq? question.e main i think with the right strategy and right groups, we can easily defeat this terrorist organization. and we need to kill the ideology of this terrorist organization. together they have nothing to do with islam. islam means peace. we need an operation conducted with the right groups to defeat daesh in syria. but we need to defeat daesh in iraq as well. we need to support the iraqi government in the fight. it is also very difficult. we do support iraq in its campaign against daesh, and that is why we have the two pages,
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but open invitation of and worries -- the open invitation of authorities at the beginning. iraqi authorities also should consider their concerns of the local people, particularly isolated ones. unless we regain the confidence of the people, the terrorists will find fertile ground in iraq . therefore, we should pay more attention. presence in, pkk's iraq is an example. pkk is a threat to turkey and iraq and kurdish regional government, and the fight against daesh should not be legitimizing pkk or its efforts in syria. in syria, ypg fighting daesh for syria? no. they are fighting daesh to gain more territory, and also further
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an agenda -- also for their own agenda. iraq -- ladies and gentlemen, the situation in yemen is also a concern. unfortunately, the you and meditated these talks have not achieved the desired outcome, the initiatives could be a good basis for a peaceful solution in yemen as well. finally, libya. iraq, and wekes in also made mistakes in libya twice. , and untilent there
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gadhafi was killed, and immediately he was killed, we left. then we helps them sign an .greement around 20, 24 countries were gathered together to support them. immediately after they signed the agreement, the second time we left them alone. the country is facing a lot of problems, including terror, and some of the countries are supporting different groups for their own interests, and together we should support the interest of the libyan people. are hopeful now that there is a political document that we altogher supported, and the presidential council finally has the .inancial means turkish companies are building energy power stations to supply to libyan people.
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also, the budget is important for maintaining hospitals and security. recently we reopened our embassy. airlines will start flights in the future. let me conclude with a warning against sectarian policies and discrimination in the middle east. a greater sense of regional ownership, this is very important, and cooperation and solidarity. thank you. [applause] lyse: let me begin by picking up on your very last point, warning against sectarian perspectives. much of the discussion this morning has been about one of the main faultlines in the
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region, which many would argue is sectarian, between iran and saudi arabia. if we are to judge on the basis of these morning sessions, the midst of these rising tensions, where would turkey stand? what would you want to do to resolve this tension and avoid this kind of sectarian tension you just warned against? mr. cavusoglu: turkey is very much against any kind of division, division and sectarianism. president erdogan made it clear during the summit -- now we are presiding under the summit presidency -- he made it very clear. he said, i quote, "i'm not a sunni, i'm not a shia, i'm a muslim. my religion is not shia, my religion is not suit, my religion is islam." that is how we see it, and the sectarianism and iran's sectarian policies is unfortunately undermining the stability in many regional
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, in saudi in bahrain arabia, and other gulf countries, and iran is trying to make syria and iraq two shia also veryich is dangerous, and we need to encourage iran to stop this kind of ambitious -- ambitions. ise: let me focus on what for you one of the major concerns, your first disagreement with washington, and that is u.s. support for the war in syria for the syrian kurdish forces. regards themates as an important fighting force on the ground. can a compromise be found in order to defeat the common objective of defeating the so-called islamic state? mr. cavusoglu: it is a fight against terrorism, to defeat terrorist organizations.
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we need to eliminate double standards. in europe today, some of the members of the political parties in the european parliament, they are trying to take out some of the terrorist organizations from the list, like pkk, just because they share the same ideology. how can i support daesh just because they misuse islam? first. cooperating with a terrorist organization in our fight against another terrorist organization is very dangerous, and it is wrong. it is a mistake. actually, that is the mistake that the previous administration in the united states made. they gave reference to ypg and pkk got some of the reference. daesh got some of the reference. -- got some of the weapons. they exchange weapons between each other. weapons and those
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their terrorist attacks in turkey. why are we relying on a terrorist organization? you have six different countries and the coalition against daesh, and only turkey has 600,000 are notand 65 countries strong enough or regional enough to defeat one terrorist organization, daesh, and we rely on another terrorist organizations. ypg fighting for fees -- fighting for peace and unity? know, their own interests. everybody that don't , ethniceir values cleansing, all this that ypg is forcing. lyse: your position is absolutely clear, but so is the clarity -- many of the people
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involved here are governments and organizations. the defeat of daesh is a priority. who do you suggest to substitute for their forces? there are suggestions that there could be more american forces on the ground. is that what you are telling other players and the international coalition? mr. cavusoglu: in my opening remarks, i underlined that the euphrates shield operation is a good example. with the local forces on the ground. that is why regional and local ownership is important. we have to plan the post-daesh area as well. and there are special forces that gave strong support. bobre about to take back al . after that, we can take back raqqa together.
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some of the allies can put boots on the ground, special forces, to support the local groups. we should not actually put the raqqa tobs in choose between daesh and shia groups. in this case, they will prefer because they know what happens when the shia groups come to raqqa. and the process in our fight. se: the region should try to avoid. just briefly, you say you want the partners, do you suggest to the united states they should send more special forces the
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ground? > we have to discuss these issues. and the united states to put the special forces on the ground to support the moderate local forces. lyse: we have one question from an m.e.p. who is the person who is asking that question and briefly, please. >> you said in introducing your remarks, that peace at home was one of the goals of your foreign policy, could you give us maybe a vivid description of peace as you are administering it in the kurdish parts of turkey. >> i'll get you a moment to answer the question. you have a question about turkey as well. >> good to see you, minister.
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mr. obama essentially left syria letting putin and to iran. and that might explain why urkey all of a sudden came closer to russia and putin. vis-a-vis strategy russia and the consequences on nato? >> thank you very much. let me start with your question. before the incident, we had better relations with russia and nobody questioned us. after the incident, many friends and nature oove allies during the meetings to normalize russia and we don't need another
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sanction. and after the normalizing relations, they started questioning me why we normalize the relations with russia. we had the policies before we had this incident before crimea and the and exation with crime yeah and the different position. but during the -- during the support groups, russia is included. so many decisions and russia made some deals. supported it before the language of the agreement. and none of them was implemented. they also have forces with iran ceasefire. but with russia, we decided for,
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we work together to allocate people and encourage us to extend a ceasefire and we focused on it. t it has never been -- inaudible] and working for my party. in 14 years, that is a problem.
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and we spent a lot of efforts to solve the problem and we made a lot of acheefments in the region and they have more rights. and every single citizen is. new airports, hospitals, schools, every infrastructure. but who are destroying this infrastructure? it is k.k.k. we have similar problem and our kurdish people are suffering from k.k.k. terrorist attacks. and they killed three year old you have the k.k.k. and we don't have a turkish problem and we will continue to investing in that region as well. lyse: whatever happens in the
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region, turkey is at the talk tables at what are the major priorities. he battle for west mosul controlled by the islamic state and we know turkey is going to be involved. let's get a sense about 017. do you believe that the territorial control will end? how many are you optimistic that it will end this year? but other lieve -- reas in syria?
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lyse: ladies and gentlemen, we ave -- [inaudible] lyse: just give me one second. so we heard this morning from the iranians from american senators on both sides of the house and the israelis and the
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turkish foreign minister. ladies and gentlemen, since this is a sunday morning in munich there is time for optimism and why not end with the foreign minister of the kingdom who says he is optimistic with working with president trump and he said he is very, very optimistic that the regional challenges can be dealt with. ou are a person who has been taking a critical role and adopted the foreign policy in the kingdom's history. u come under and please join us in offering some remarks the foreign minister. [applause]
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>> we face challenges. we face challenges in terms of performing our economies and countries and bringing the standard of living. we have the challenge trying to bring peace between israelis and arabs. i guess other than that our region is a wonderful thing. i'm an optimist.
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and if you are to solve problems, we have to do everything we can to dool with the challenges we face. i believe that 2017 will be a year in which a number of challenges will be resolved. the crisis in yemen will be brought to an end. working n then work on yemen and recrux. i believe congress can be made if they are willing to do so. ready to see ands how we can work on it. the settlement is possible. we have one of the biggest traffickers that will help to resolve one of these challenges. and i'm optimistic about the
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trump administration. there is a lot of concerns or concerns in europe about the new administration, but i would like to remind my colleagues, there s a lot of concern in europe and thought world war iii would take place. and yost, how did it turn out? ronald reagan made comprehensive arms control agreements with the soviet union and pushed back against the soviet union. and i think when we look at the trump administration, we see a president who is pragmatic and practical, problem solver, he isn't a an idealog and wants america to play a role in the world. it creates tremendous danger in
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the world. and appointed secretary of defense, director of the f.b.i., secretary of treasury, these are highly skilled individuals who share that world view, so we expect to see american presence the world and expect to see american fosh policy and will work with our administration.
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our contacts with the administration has been positive and and we are looking at how we deal with the challenges facing our world.
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saudi a, iraq, kuwait, arabia, yemen, pakistan. the iranians have disrespected ternational law by attacking embassies and by planting terrorism in other countries, by having terrorists. 2001, when the u.s. went to war, the board of directors of al qaeda moved to iraq. some of them which is the chief of operations. and almost a dozen others went to iran. e order to blow up three housing complexes in our ation's capital was given by
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iran to the operatives. we have the conversation on tape. ites irrefuteable. and cow baltimore towers in 1996. they have smuggled weapons toll men in violation of u.n. council resolutions and kill our people. we look at the region, we see tirm and we see a state sponsor of terrorism that is determined to up end the order. the iranians are in the region that has not been attacked. and begs the question why.
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>> the country. not just for it, but for other countries and hopeful for
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change. we respect iran's culture and they are a great civilization. we have to deal with them for many, many years. ut it takes two to have a good relationship for 35 years we have steppeded. and for 35 years, we have gotten it in return. this cannot continue. and so now, with the world increasingly realizing the to e, it can be brought bear. so that's -- thank you. cheers and applause]
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>> vice president stepped up the tempo. during the negotiations with the plus-one and continued to step up after the agreement was signed. the notion that iran is going to change their behavior. lyse: what are you calling for, more sanctions? hat would you like to see in 2017? i believe that iran is an
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irrational actor. they know where the red lines are drawn. the world has to make it clear that there are certain behavior that will not be tolerated and those consequences have to be intuned. yse: you mentioned yemen and syria. iran will have to get to the table. do you see the possibility of working with iran to resolve two major cries sees in the region and energy and we do a lot as well as the region. ? >> i think iran is part of the problem, not the solution. hey need to stop sending weapons and stop sending advisors. iran has no business in yemen, for 2000 years, they have put
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not one brick. why are they there? and in regard to syria, iran is a destructive force. they have sent in the forces to prop up assad and they have in lized from iraq to fight syria. why are they doing this? lyse: there is a miss ng in a volatile region, many of you who come to washington will know design e think tanks by military action against iran. maybe that is fake news. how many are you worried about that tension in the region given what his excellence si has set out?
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you are also worried. let's take a question from the floor.
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>> the the president was made into president. the people put together a national dying ol that included representatives of all different of yemen, intellectual tribal leaders, young people and they plotted the course for the future of yemen, what kind of system they want, what kind of constitution they want and they reached an agreement. they then proceeded to draft a constitution that would enshrine these principles.
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nd they staged their coupe and capturing the capital, proceeding to take over the government and who then was able o escape and proceeded south and surrounded the presidential pal ace and the president asked for support. the kingdom responded to that request. that's how it started. we didn't start this war. >> how is it good for saudi arabia. you are coming under prosecution of the war. this must be a war. >> correct. i'm giving you a context of where we are coming from. we didn't start this war and we on the utions based
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initiative and the national 2222 .e and the u.n. they can't have a millish a. and that's not acceptable. we offered solutions. we worked with the international community. and uae. with the we offered solutions and maps. more than 70 maps. not one of them were implemented. we are hopeful that to see increased military pressure and facing pressure. hey diluted the pension funds.
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> is your microphone on? >> thank you. i agree with you that iran is a evolutionary power, not just a revolutionist power. and they want to overturn the table. the last time it was a revolutionary power was the soviet power. what did it do? and 45 years. who would contain iran, do you think? russia? russia is an ally, the old arab syria. re gone, iraq,
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and americans? build a wall of containment and how did they contain this revolutionary power this >> we should do it with 21st century means. can be virtual containment, denying access to the banking system, trade, travel, there are other ways of imposing sanctions on a country that doesn't build a wall. there are ways that the international community can make it. every revolutionary comes to an end. the revolutionary and has to come to an end. iran has a young population and i'm certain they want to be part
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of the world and want a better life. and unless these changes that can lead to a change in in the way. we will still have problems. lyse: we have to end this session. a very brief, even one-word answer. call to arab states including saudi arabia to fight against iran. is this a coalition you want to join? >> i don't know. the issue is not specifically fighting iran. we are looking at hoipping iran will change its behavior so it can be an accepted member and constructive member of the middle east and we are waiting for iran to do so. e will have no choice but to
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push back against them. the foreign minister of the scrabe. we thank you. good to see you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017] nick nick

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