tv House Leaders Discuss Legislative Agenda CSPAN March 2, 2017 1:41pm-2:23pm EST
replacing obamacare. he's now the secretary of h.h.s. that is the bill, the plan that we ran on in 2016, we told america, here's our vision for how we replace obamacare, after we repeal obamacare. that's the bill we're working on right now. that's the bill we're working on with the trump administration. we're all working off the same piece a of paper, the same plan. so we're in sync. the house, the senate, and the trump administration, because this law is collapsing. and you can't just repeal. it you have to repeal it and replace it with a system that actually works and that is exactly what we're doing. i'm perfectly confident that when it's all said and done, we're going to unify. because we all, every republican, ran on repealing and replacing and we're going to keep our promises. thank you. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national able satellite corp. 2017] >> the u.s. house finished up legislative work for the week. they're back in session on
tuesday. before members got out of town today, minority whip steny hoyer and majority leader kevin mccarthy spoke on the floor about republican plans to repeal the affordable care act. we'll show you that debate up next here on c-span. but first, a tweet from c-span's capitol hill producer, with video of congressman hoyer after that speech, inviting reporters into a room at the u.s. capitol, where the republican bill to repeal and replace the health care law was reportedly located. but according to mr. hoyer, it's not there. > yes, come on in. inaudible]
>> we're told it exists. and ext remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. mccarthy: on monday, no votes are expected in the house. on tuesday, the house will meet at 12:00 for morning hour and 2:00 p.m. for legislative business. votes will be postponed until 6:30. on wednesday and thursday the house will meet at noon for morning hour -- at 10:00 a.m. and noon for ledge itive business. on friday the house will meet at 9:00 a.m. the house will consider a number of suspensions next week a complete list of which will be announced by close of bids tomorrow. in addition, the house will consider several reform bills straight from our better way ageneral ka -- agenda, the fairness in class action litigation and furthering asbestos claim transparency act sponsored by chairman bob goodlatte which ensures that only similar injured parties can be in the same class for purpose
of a class action suit, as well as requires public disclosure of reports on the receipt of claims for injury based on exposure and asbestos. next, h.r. 725, the innocent party protection act, which establishes a uniform standard for determining whether a defendant has been fraudulently joined to a lout. and third, h.r. 720, the lawsuit abuse reduction act sponsored by chairman lamar smith which restores accountability to our legal system by penalizing lawyers for filing baseless lawsuits. our federal litigation system is plagued with broken rules that unnecessarily harm american business and consumers. with these somebodies, we -- with these measures we will follow through on our pledge to take on trial lawyers and crack down on lawsuit abuse through litigation reform. finally, the house will consider the face call year 2017
department of defense appropriation bill sponsored by chairman rodney frelinghuysen. i thank the gentleman and yield back. mr. hoyer: i thank the gentleman for that lfings information. the gentleman mentioned the defense appropriation bill is going to be brought forward. it's my understanding that the text was introduced this morning. is that accurate? mr. mccarthy: yes. mr. hoyer: do you know when it will be marked up? yield to my friend. mr. mccarthy: i thank the gentleman for yielding. we have passed this bill last year. working together with others. you'll see the bill reposted and we'll vote on it next week. mr. hoyer: is the majority leader not aware of whether there will be a markup on the bill or will it come directly to the floor? mr. mccarthy: it will come straight to the floor.
mr. hoyer: the gentleman just indicated this will be the bill we passed last year. mr. mccarthy: this bill reflects the 2017 ndaa which passed p 327 votes in the house and 92 votes in the senate. mr. hoyer: so the bill will be the same bill we passed last year is that accurate? mr. mccarthy: it is not the exact same but reflects the work of the ndaa. it's a bipartisan agreement. it's also, you'll find as soon as it's posted to read all the way through it, it's a reflection of the ndaa bill 2017. mr. hoyer: the majority leader may not know and i understand that, we'll see what differences might exist because if there are any substantive changes in the bill, we would hope it would be subjected to a hearing or at least a markup. but the gentleman believes there's no substantive changes? is that accurate? mr. mccarthy: that is very
accurate. s that bipartisan, bicameral agreement based on the 2017 ndaa bill which if you watched, 372 votes in the house, 92 in the senate. as you know as well as i d, we cannot continue to have our military to continue further with just the c.r. if you have a continuing resolution, you now are saying that you have to fund what was last year and you can't go through with what the future needs without putting together the appropriation process and this is what we're going through right now. mr. hoyer: i thank the majority leader for that observation. i agree with the majority leader that subjecting the defense appropriation or any other appropriation is not a tenable or appropriate policy to pursue. the gentleman knows we were for an omnibus being passed in december of 2016, as an omnibus was passed in 2015, which therefore gives the administrators of any agency or
secretaries of any agency the opportunity to have the ability to plaven over a period of time longer than months. so i certainly agree. but very frankly, i want to tell the majority leader on our side of the aisle, we're very, very concerned. that that privilege will be accorded to the defense bill. can the majority leader tell me whether or not we intend to adopt and pass in the regular order individual bills, labor health bill, the interior bill, the agriculture bill, etc., etc., in a similar manner? that means considering them on their merits discreetly, separately, individually. i yield to my friend. mr. mccarthy: i thank the gentleman for yielding. the gentleman knows we are working in part the continuing resolution short time. -- short term. it is my intention once we pass the f.y. 2017 defense bill i
will keep members updated on further floor schedules and bills but it would be my goal to continue to pats the rest of the appropriation bills. mr. hoyer: i appreciate that, that that's your goal. i hope we can pursue that goal. frankly, we believe that the scenario is being set up to take kear of the defense bill, i voted for the defense bill and i was one of those people, i intend to vote for the defense bill this -- next week when it comes toths floor, if in fact as the gentleman represents it is substantively the same as the bill that we've already adopted. what i am concerned about and what members on my side of the aisle are concerned about is nondefense aining discretionary spending bills will be substantially altered from that which we would have passed in tess of last year in the 2017. of course we were four months late doing that, or three months
late at least, october, november, december. but i'm hopeful, mr. leader, that those bills will in fact be considered discreetly so that the american people can see us vote on those bills and the priorities incorporated in those bills. mr. leader, it appears that the majority is stalled somewhat in their efforts to repeal the a.c.a. and president trump's address on tuesday seems to me didn't offer many details. he does say, however, that everybody is going to be covered, everybody. with better health care and cheaper. if that bill comes to the floor, i'm going to vote for it, mr. leader, i want you to know that health care for everybody. quality, accessible, affordable. and cheaper.
now, as the majority leader know the budget resolution passed this year set a deadline of january 27 for committees to report legislation repealing the law. it's now march 2 and there are reports, mr. leader, that republicans have a draft bill, that it perhaps is located in h-157. hat it's not being posted. and that republicans have been told they can view it in h.-157. i don't know that i have the room number correct and i'm not sure that that information that i have is correct. michaelll tell you that burgess. dr. burgess. on your side of the aisle said this he said it yesterday. people need to have access to
this district of columbia yumet. his presumption was he did not have access to the document or he leaved others should, not only members of our side of the aisle but also the public. and if there are problems, let's talk through them. it's been a long time in the works. most of the pieces in there people have seen in one form or another in the past but it does need to be an open process. mr. leader, let me repeat that. it does need to be an open process, according to dr. burgess. gus bilirakis says, we are not aving a hearing or anything. we're not having a hearing or anything. but there'll be a place for us to view it. in draft. paul ryan, the speaker, said three days ago, we're going
through the committee process. we're doing this step by step. we're having public hearings. we're having committee work on legislation. this is how the legislative process is supposed to be designed. we're not hatching some bill in a back room, perhaps h-157, he didn't say that, i said it. and plopping it on the american people's front door. mr. leader, you and i are both -- were both here when the affordable care act was passed. there was a will the of talk about the affordable care act and how it was passed in the dark of night. that was baloney, of course. we had 79 bipartisan hearings and markups.
over the two years that we considered the affordable care act. house members spent nearly 100 hours in hearings, heard from 181 witnesses on both sides of the aisle, considered 239 amendments, both democratic and republican, and accepted 121 amendments. the original house bill was posted online 30 days before the first committee began their markup. and more than 100 days before the committees formally introduced their merged bill in the house. house democrats posted the house process was the final online 2 hours before the bill
was brought to the floor, consistent with our rules. -- 72 hours before the bill was brought to the floor, consistent with our rules. my understanding, ways and means committee has been told this bill will be marked up on wednesday. there will not have been a single hearing. there will not have been a single witness. and members cannot on our side of the aisle as i understand it ee the bill today. i don't know where all my tea party friends are who demanded full consideration and that everybody read the bill. i don't know -- i don't see them out on the lawn, i don't see them out on the plaza, i don't see them out on the sidewalk as they were when we were considering the bill.
nd we had those 181 witnesses. the 100 hours of hearings that they thought weren't sufficient. i don't know whether they'll think that having a markup next wednesday when the bill has not even been made available to democratic members of the house, apparently republican members , ve to go to a room to see it and the public clearly has no idea of what that bill is. mr. mr. leaderers i hope you will tell me that i'm wrong. that there will be hearings, consistent with what speaker ryan said three days ago. i hope you will tell me, yes, we're going to honor what speaker ryan said and we're going to have those hearings.
woor going -- we're going to have witnesses. we're going to consider amendments. all of us understand that this is one of the biggest issues confronting the american people. we have had hundreds of thousands of people showing up at town meetings. saying how concerned they are. and yet if my information is correct, mr. leader, they will have no opportunity to talk to the ways and means committee. i am further informed, and i hope the majority leader says this is wrong, that the markup will occur before the congressional budget office has the opportunity to say how much it's going to cost. all this weeping and gnashing of teeth about balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility. a bill that affects 18% of the gross domestic product. and the critical need for people to have access to affordable, quality health care. not one of them will have an
opportunity to know how much this repeal will cost. again, mr. leader, i hope you're going to be able to tell me no, mr. whip, we're going to have hearings. we understand how important this issue is. how much interest there is in this country. we're going to give time for serious consideration. and we're going to have witnesses come before those hearings. and then after the witnesses we're going to have a markup after substantial debate and consideration is allowed on both sides of the aisle. i now yield to the majority leader with the hopes that he'll be able to give me some degree of confidence, paul ryan, our speaker, was correct that we're going to follow regular order and make a transparent consideration of this piece of legislation. i yield to my friend. mr. mccarthy: i thank the gentleman for yielding. i always look forward to your quotes. they are always quite
interesting. mr. hoyer: i have some more. mr. mccarthy: you're now bringing in rumors. i give you credit for that. you have been here quite some time. much longer than i. i agree with you this is a very big issue. that's why for the last six years we have had hearings. because all those hearings you reported, i would have wished you would have listen. i would have wished you would have done a health care bill that actually works. the essence of what the a.c.a. did, it was about exchanges and expansion of medicaid. so my dear friend here tells me that was a big success. what do you tell all those people across this country? in fact, 1/3 of every county in this country now only has one health insurer. humana just announced they were pulling out. let me read what you quote so
much, this is the c.e.o. of aetna says, obamacare is failing. it has entered a death spiral. with humana pulling out, that gives 16 counties in tennessee that have no one to care for them. the expansion of medicaid, i know you're concerned about the budget, as i, says within this 10-year window in the 10th year will cost us $1 trillion. mr. hoyer: will the gentleman yield? mr. mccarthy: you know as well as i do that's about the exact amount of money that we spend for all discretionary spending in government today. we watched in the a.c.a. that created 23 could he ops, provided more than $2 -- co-ops, provided more than $2 billion, 18 of those 23 have collapsed. so, yes, for the last six years we have been holding hearings. we have been listening to the public. and we have been working on this bill. yes, we will go regular order. we will have a markup in
committee. when the bill comes out of committee we'll take that markup, goes to budget, because it's reconciliation, and we'll bring that bill to the floor just as the rules state we'll do that. we have waited six years to do this just as we moved one last year to the president as well and he vetoed it. we cannot let and sit and wait this failure to continue any longer. the health of this country deserves something much better. that's why we have been spending our time. that's why we have been working on it. and that's why we have been listening. we have had the wisdom to listen, now i promise we'll have the courage to lead. i yield back. mr. hoyer: i thank the gentleman for his comment. it is, therefore, we ordinarily sad it that have spent six years with only one option that the majority would pursue -- repeal. not fix, not make it work
better, not ensure that people could afford their care. not make sure that insurance companies had the competence to stay in the market. because the market was destabilized for all of its lifetime to date by the republicans saying all we're going to do is repeal. the gentleman talks about the cost. cannot tell me some four days before he suggests passing a piece of legislation that will cannot te 18% of our gross domestic product what it will cost. why? because he has no score. on the c.b.o. he could tell me all he wants about six years of waiting and listening. he has no score on this bill. and my judgment is, he will have no score when he marks it up. and by the way, he will give no access, contrary to speaker ryan's saying we're going to go
regular order, i reject, with all due respect, mr. majority leader, the fact that we had a hearing a year ago or two years ago or three years ago. that the opinion that was given at those times by various witnesses who differed on their conclusions, that we can apply that to the bill that you have introduced. i don't know what the bill you have introduced. i don't know whether you have introduced it or somebody else. i don't even know whether it exists. i told the gentleman what i'm told. he has not disabused me of any of the assertions i made. he hasn't disabused me that it's not available publicly. he has not disabused me of the fact that we can't see t he has disabused me of doctor burgess saying it ought to be seen by everybody and considered. it should not be in a secret room someplace. that people have to go to like it's a secret document. we have to go down to the visitors center in the secure
facilities of the intelligence committee to ceci cret documents. surely that is not the standard that we're giving to a bill that will have such, in my view, catastrophic effect on individuals, on jobs, and on businesses. so, mr. leader, i want to tell you, mr. speaker, i do not accept the proposition that a hearing over six years about repeal only-dirnl' not sure how many hearings there were. maybe the majority leader knows, but i know for a fact that proponents of the bill were very difficult to get on the list of witnesses that we wanted to testify at some of those hearings. so i -- the american people, the tea party, all those people for and against that came to
these town meetings, should really lament and frankly think that the speaker's representation is not being followed. and the assertion that it was done last year, the year before, we have a lot of new members in this congress. they weren't here. frankly when we have bills introduced in congress, we usually have hearings on them. that is the regular order. now, we haven't been following the regular order on this -- all these congressional review acts, mr. leader. so maybe the precedent nowadays is forget about hearings. because most of the bills that we have considered during this congress have not had hearings. the ramifications of the repeal of these rules, no one knows. there were no hearings on those. framingly, we didn't have hearings on those -- frankly, we didn't have hearings on those year after year after year in the past. mr. leader, it appears that the representation you're making is, we know all about this.
we don't need hearings. we have been talking about this stuff forever. we're just going to act. the courage, i would suggest to my friend, the courage would be to expose these to full and fair and open debate. that would be the courage. mr. leader, unless you want to respond to that, i will move on to a different subject. mr. mccarthy: i only like to end with this. i was here at the same time. i know you have your history and i have the history that i remember. i remember seeing the speaker at that time now your leader say, we need to pass the bill to find out what's in it. i remember being here late that night. i remember a lot of people, citizens around this building, complaining. you know what? the saddest part of all that,
their fears became true. they didn't get to keep a doctor or their health plan that they were promised. the premiums they would go down $2,500. that didn't happen. they now find that they don't have the care they were promised. so we have spent our time -- you did make a statement that there's a lot of new people in this building. i'd argue that's the reason why there is a lot of new people in this building. the a.c.a. anti-way you carried it out. that's -- and the way you carried it out. that is why we did not do that. you stipulated about the three-day rule. that wasn't your rule. that's a rule we instituted and changed when we became the majority, mr. speaker. so we will have regular order. mr. hoyer: thank you for the promotion. mr. mccarthy: we will have regular order. we'll take it through committee. we'll have it open for debate and we will bring it to the floor. because we promised the american people and we will keep our promise. just as the president, as you
heard, just this week, talk about the reform. we will protect pre-existing conditions. we will make sure those who are 26 or younger to stay on the plan. bans on lifetime limits. we'll protect those like we always said we would. but we will create a health care bill that actually empowers the individual, not more government. we will actually lower the premiums and that's the difference between us. but we can have those debates and i welcome them because i think history will show your hearings and our hearings, but at the end of the day, i want the history to show who actually brought health care to the american people that are better providing and also at a lower cost. mr. hoyer: the leader can be assured that history will show that. mr. leader. can i say the bill today? mr. mccarthy: you're not on
that committee. you can look at it when we mark it up. mr. hoyer: in other words, they will mark it up before anybody in the public including a member of the house of representatives before -- mr. mcyartcloin -- mr. mccarthy: it's similar to every other bill we move. they will post it before they mark it up so everybody can see and debate t mr. hoyer: mr. leader, reclaiming my time, that's not regular order. i have been here a long time. you have been here a long ty. that's not regular order. regular order is you introduce a bill. you go up to this desk, you put a bill in. we don't follow that very much, but that's regular order. it is then printed. it is referred to a committee. the public can see it as soon as it's printed. it goes to the committee. they establish a hearing. the witnesses then come before the committee and testified as to its positive and negative aspects. the committee then schedules a
markup. it might even be the same day after the hearing, i get that. and then they mark it up. but the bill has been given to the public and to members invariably under regular order substantially before that happens. you are telling me as i understand t. mr. leader, can i not see the bill today, five days before it's scheduled to be marked up, is that accurate? i yield to my friend. mr. mccarthy: have you seen a scheduled markup? i didn't have it in my list. i don't announce markups, but apparently this is another rumor you may have heard. i yield back. mr. hoyer: is the leader telling me that he does not know personally whether a markup is scheduled on the affordable care act repeal next week? i yield to my friend. mr. mccarthy: i thank the gentleman for asking. that's a question to the chairman. i simply provide you the
schedule for next week. that's what i -- mr. hoyer: i thank gentleman from that was not the question whether the chairman of the committee knows. maybe the gentleman does not know in which case he can say no. my question was, does the gentleman know whether a markup is scheduled for next week in the ways and means committee on the repeal of the affordable care act? mr. mccarthy: i thank the gentleman for yielding. that's an action of the committees and they will list as soon as they are prepared to do their markups. yield back. yield back. mr. hoyer: i don't know if that's a yes or a no or an i don't intend to tell you. i would suggest to the chairman of the committee, mr. speaker, that the majority leader ought to be informed of what the committee is doing on such a ery important issue.
i'm just informed while the majority leader may not know "the hill" newspaper knows an says obamacare reconciliation markup on track for next week. they perhaps heard the same rumor i've heard, mr. speaker. mr. mccarthy: the gentleman understands that this is coming through reconciliation. in reconciliation is created through committee, not by submitting a bill. this is regular order and i thank the gentleman for his concern, i thank the gentleman for the last six years that we've had concerned about this, and i will provide the gentleman with a number of hearings, energy and commerce this year alone they've had hearings. and they've had votes, markups on improvements and changing the health care system. but if the gentleman would like i'll provide those to him at a later date. when it comes to reconciliation, committees will move that. when it goes through committee, it will go to the budget committee.
then it will come to the floor that is regular order, and that is what we're following. i thank the gentleman. mr. hoyer: do you expect the budget committee to have a hearing on it? i yield to my friend. mr. mccarthy: i expect to follow regular order when the bill goes through energy and commerce, the bill comes through ways and means, it will then go for markup inside the budget committee. then come to the floor. i yield back. mr. hoyer: i thank the gentleman. i'll close on this subject unless the majority leader would like to make a response , he does know i like quotes. mr. leader, you said the following. this bill is being pushed through because the majority in congress refused to listen to the people. you said that on march 2, 2010. you were referring, of course, to us democrats, who refused to listen to the american people because your presumption was the american people was not for the proposition we were promoting. there were two candidate --
candidates for president who got major votes in this election. one was hillary clinton who said i want to keep the affordable care act. one was donald trump who said i want to get rid of the affordable care act, although he has said then and now that he wants to have everybody covered assured per price with benefits. as i said, we would support a bill like that. of those two candidates that were running, one got 65 million votes and one got 62 million votes. the one who got 62 million votes won the election. why? because the electoral college, he's the legitimate elected president of the united states. i do not question that at all. but it ought to give some degree of humility that he got three million less votes than the person that espoused policies other than those espoused by
president trump. it ought to give some pause to let the american people into the process and testify, i will tell the gentleman what the republican party is recommending in repeal of the a.c.a. will have very, very substantial consequences. you may think they're positive. i may think they're negative. but i hope neither one of us think that they won't have very substantial consequences for our country. and in that context, we ought to have allowed and we ought to allow the people of this country to testify on those consequences. again, i'll move on, unless the gentleman wants to make an adegreesal comment. mr. mccarthy: i thank the gentleman for yielding. i didn't know that four months later we were still going to litigate who won the election. i know the gentleman likes to make a lot of quote bus i think
if you take my quote and you look at the date and you want to go back in time and look at the polling, i think my quote is right. i think the american people were at that exact same position. you talk about consequences. the a.c.a. has tremendous amount of consequences on the american public. unfortunately, they haven't been positive. some have, but the majority has not. that's why a number of people today, one third of this nation, of the county, 1,022 only have one health care provider. i listened to our president just this week right there in the well. i know you haven't commented about that or quoted anything he said there but i listen to other people who commented about that. people on different sides of the aisle who i know did not vote for him. jones, probably philosophical, i know the man well, philosophically he and i
disagree he said that night listening to president trump that he became america's president. so i'd just say to my friend, mr. speaker, across the aisle, i think four months, that's long enough to decide who won the race. and we don't have to come back to this. if we really want this country to come together, i don't think those type of questioning on this floor is productive. i think it's time to come together as one nation and start solving these problems, but not try to bring back up and lit gate who really won the election. -- and litigate who really won the election. mr. hoyer: there's so many comments i could make in response to that. no one today on this floor is questioning the legitimacy of president trump's presidency. period. what i said was that more people voted for the candidate who wanted to keep the a.c.a. than voted for the candidate who wanted to repeal. -- to repeal the a.c.a. secondly, if the gentleman
refers to polls of his, -- of his quote in 2010, then i can refer to the polls today. which show that the majority of respondents believe that the .c.a. should be retained prior to -- until and unless an acceptable replacement is provided. the gentleman talks about six years. not once in those six years, not once, has the majority party offered a comprehensive replacement for the aed forable care act. they talked about it. and by the way, on the 26-year-olds and on the pre-existing conditions, the repeal bills didn't say we're going to keep the pre-existing conditions or the 26 age or the lifetime limits or the annual limits or the drug discounts for senior citizens. didn't say any of that said repeal the a.c.a.
so the polling data, my friend, i seldom, mr. speaker, i tell the majority leader, the polling data today is that more people want to keep the a.c.a. prior to the consideration and adoption of a replacement than want to repeal it. i agree with you, that's a change from 2010. the reason it's a change is because they're now looking at it very carefully. they're figuring out what in fact it has done for them and their families and for their children who had pre-existing conditions and for the access to affordable health care and they're saying, we're taking a second look and they do not now reflect that poll to which the gentleman referred that was now seven years old and very frankly last year's poll. now they look at it differently. i yield to my friend. mr. mccarthy: if i could just tell my friend when i refer to a poll i mean the main poll of the -- of election day.
fi look at what happened in 010, i look what took place in this last election, you're correct. one side campaigned on repealing and replacing obamacare. and this is only the third time since world war ii that the american public entrusted that to the republican party to have a majority in the house, a majority in the senate, and the presidency. so yes, that's the poll i was looking at. the same as what transpyred in 2010. that was a cornerstone and the foundation of what people said in that last election. so remove -- so we're moving forward on our promise. we've been working on this for more than six years. with hearings, town halls, and listening. we're going through reconciliation, the regular order. so the committees will mark up, send it in to budget, they will do a markup, then it will come to the floor. i thank the gentleman for his concern. mr. hoyer: i think that's some degree of clarity in terms of the markup.
and no hearing. no witnesses. and i presume no c.b.o. score to tell us how much that legislation is going to cost. now mr. leader, two things. andis certainly less global impactful but nevertheless important. i'm sure the gentleman met with the governors when they were in town as i did. they met on a bipartisan basis. i met with a lot of republican governors and democratic governors together. they're very concerned, as you know, not only about the a.c.a., which we talked about, which they have great concerns the impact on their states, republicans and democrats, of the repeal of the medicaid