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lines for democrats, republicans, and independents. 202-748-8000 if you're a democrat. 202-748-8001 if you're a republican. 202-748-8002 if you're an independent. you can also catch up with us n social media o. twitter, @cspanwn. on facebook, it's football.com/cspan. very good monday morning to you. throughout the 2016 cycle, progressives like bernie sanders and elizabeth wear republican made the case that healthcare should be a right that should be guaranteed, and amid that debate over the effort to replace and replace the affordable care act, democrats again made that case. here's congressman john lewis from friday. >> i rise to oppose this bill. as the elected representatives, we have a mission, an obligation, and a mandate to fight for each and every american. i ask you, mr. speaker, who
will stand for the american people, who will speak up for those who have been left out and left behind. mr. speaker, i've said it time and time again, healthcare is a it is not a privilege reserved for a wlt eye few. host: other democrats making that case, here's senator harris of california on saturday after the failure of the republican plan to repale and replace the affordable care act. yesterday she wrote the american people sent a powerful message to washington, healthcare is a right, not a privilege. congressman scott, democrat from virginia, last week saying healthcare is a right, not a privilege. we have the affordable care act to thank for that. and then bernie sanders earlier this month, never lose sight of the fact that our ultimate goal is not just playing defense. our goal is a medicare for all, single payer system.
here's a conservative talk show host on kid radio 590, he wrote in a column from over the weekend that rights typically are signals to the government that stay away, not to get more involved. in fact, the founders ar articulated our rights in order to protect them from an intrusive government. in better than he's' world, the rights are andrens active, clinical services we can demand. the idea that healthcare is a right comes with so many questions it can't possibly be defended intellectually as a traditional right. are all possible procedures under the banner part of that right? if not, who decides? what about health concerns that arise out of stupidity or poor dietary choices, which bureaucrats are designated to issue the list we have the
right to which we do not. isn't that giving that decision frightening? lastly, if healthcare can be construe into a government right, why can't somebody why is food not a fundamental right? should government provide groceries and cars to everyone? this can spin out of control very quickly. another column, of course healthcare is not a right. we want to hear your thoughts. phone lines are open for you. we'll put the numbers on the screen. richard, republican from kentucky, good morning. caller: of course healthcare is not a right. if you can pay for it, then that's fine. to those poor people who truly, truly need healthcare, they will be taken care of. but if you think you're going lay home, have babies, and then the rest of the country is supposed to pay for it, i mean, just how stupid do you think we really are? now donald trump and his failure -- host: can i stay on poor people
will be taken care of? what is the system for that? caller: this has to do with that. donald trump surrounded himself with a bunch of establishment republicans and they have led him wrong, and he went down in defeat. paul ryan should be removed from his position. and he should take a hard look at what conservatives have to say. at leasts let them into the room to discuss the issues, but he won't do it. host: question for you this morning, is healthcare a right? line for independents, jay is waiting, connecticut. jay, good morning. caller: good morning. host: go ahead, sir. caller: i don't really believe t's a right. seems to me that, like they say, isn't it in the constitution that you have a right for healthcare?
and i don't know why they seem that kipping the fact this whole bill is a benefit for the upper class. he democrats didn't even expound on that particularly. i mean, and they put it in the bill like taxes is not money. t's just kind of a -- that's something you can just give away. host: a few comments from our facebook page this morning. steph writes, if healthcare is not, it should be. the other rights don't matter much when you're dead. healthcare should be the life part of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. below that, gary writes in, it's a stupid question.
everybody wants to be healthy. the question should be what form of government you want to regulate it. the democrats want a socialist government, the republicansment a constitutional republic government. question for you this morning, is healthcare a right? is it a right that should be guaranteed in this country? line for democrats, republicans, independent this is morning. we'll look for your tweets and facebook posts as well. arizona, democrat, good morning. caller: good morning, world. the reason i describe it as world is everybody listens to your program. but let me try and be scientific about this discussion, all right? in algebra, we used to discuss the idea of factors and everything to do with government and the people's health and calling something a right or not, calling it a right t. has to do with factors. look at some of the factors, ok? we're in a position where
there's quite a few billionaires and people have a lot of money that can get very, very rich by rigging the market, let's say, on healthcare. you know, you buy into the idea of it, you should get richer and richer and richer, and somebody should get more poorer, and what i go around doing here in the arizona -- in the southern arizona area of tucson is i try to help people that are in dire need. some of them have been through the military. some of them are just, you know, bummed out of their life, and they have terrible life. but the factors are, the fact that the whole world is polluted. the fact that our mines are with a lot of angst. let's use that term, angst. and the fact that one side has all the money and they're buying the government, they're buying the media. they own everything.
and the democrats don't have enough money to actually run a decent campaign about anything. maybe they have some money in some areas but we to get to the point of describing the constitution. host: do you think healthcare is a right something, that they can run an entire campaign on? caller: the constitution was actually written for the colonize there's needed to take over this land to promote their commerce. and that's the way it went. some people got hurt, some people got rich. and it's very, very unnatural for people to treat each they're way. civility has to do with trying to find a comfort level. i don't believe that this country is at any kind of a comfort level at all. host: all right. that's robert in arizona. on twitter, only the most callous would say that healthcare is not a right, especially in a country with the resources that we have. one person writes in, shouldn't we have a right to food, housing and protection first?
go to eddie, line for republicans in new york. eddie, good morning. caller: good morning to you. i think it should be a right to have healthcare. when drawing up the constitution and other documents, left a lot of it open because they knew in the future things would change. we can't be held to things that were written 1002, hundred years ago. that's how i feel about healthcare. we're also one of the richest countries in the world. everybody here should be taken care of as far as americans. number two, the democrats and republicans, what kind of healthcare do they have? i bet you they don't have the same healthcare they're giving to the people, which i think they should put a stop to. it's funny you can work between two to six years in any sort of position and have coverage the rest of your life. and the taxpayers have to flip that bill. i can keep on you the phone nor another hour. host: your point about members of congress, we had a member of congress on recently, it's a
dwhea comes up, she informed us that members of congress are required to buy their insurance through the affordable care act. they can pick their program through the a.c.a. so that's the member of congress plan. lisa is in laurel, maryland, line for democrats. lisa, good morning. caller: good morning. absolutely it is a right. ask your facebook person who wrote in, if you're dead, you have no other rights. so it makes sense that healthcare should be a right. and for your very first caller, the republican who called in and said if peoplement to lie around and have babies then it's on them. but the republicans are the ones who want to take away a woman as right to choose whether or not she has a baby. so if you don't want to take care of the baby, let the woman decide whether or not she wants to have the baby. i get sick of hearing these republican men telling pem what
to do with their bodies. healthcare is a right for all. if a woman does not want to have a baby, she should not be made to have a baby that you don't want to take care of. host: so lisa, to neil larson's questions that he posed on this in his column that we read earlier, so who gets to decide what procedures are covered as part of that healthcare is a right guarantee? he poses breast august men television, nose job, sex change operations. who gets to decide which one of those procedures are covered under this healthcare is a guarantee? caller: those are not healthcare procedures to me, when you have nose augmentation or breast augmentation. it is healthcare if u breast cancer. it's not healthcare if you just want bigger breasts. that's on you. if it's your life or not, then it's healthcare. it's not healthcare if you just want to look better.
host: all right. let's go to ed in west virginia, independent. ed, good morning. caller: good morning, yeah, you want the right to healthcare is a mighty big brush, because just like the lady before me said, breast implants, sex changes, that ain't health. healthcare is when you get pneumonia. healthcare is when you have to go to the hospital because you ell off a ladder hit yourself. people with healthcare are the people, i'll tell you who they are, i'm 82 years old and i'm blind. i live on $1,000 a month. people with healthcare are the people -- the people that go out and work for the minimum wage. they don't have no healthcare. people under minimum wage who don't work, they got medicaid. people who work for the government, operations and all that, they have got healthcare paid for by the corporations.
but the little guy that goes , out re, works the line there in denny's and makes $10 an hour and they give him a little bit of healthcare, it ain't much, but i'd even be willing to pay 8% of my income of $1,000 for healthcare. i did medicare, but my bills on the side are so expensive, i still can't help myself. so i think we ought to have healthcare for people that are you're people -- talking about not healthcare, people who just want to make themselves look a lot better when ear out on the road. host: thanks for the call from west virginia. in the daily beast, evan writes a column, a republican explains why healthcare is a right. as part of that column, he writes, like it or not, the
passage of the affordable care act, obamacare, made health coverage for every american a right. even speaker ryan admitted this when he stated it's an entitlement program, as did senator bill cassidy, a republican of louisiana, who took this step further when he said the federal government established the right for every american to have healthcare. yet some republicans still have not recognized that the debate has shifted from one over whether or not health coverage is a right to one about how to best provide health coverage for all while reducing costs. he saidist not helping the republican party. americans of all beliefs and backgrounds do not react well when an established right is threatened with removal. even the per stheapings a right is in jeopardy causes people to become very upset. if you want to read more from the column, it's in the daily beast. george is in clarksville, tennessee, republican. george, good morning. caller: good morning to you.
i do not believe healthcare is a right. obviously it's nowhere stated that it is. but if it is, how do you force people to become doctors? obviously somebody's got to fulfill that right. how do you do that? host: you're saying if you do a single payer system, it will destroy the market for health professionals? caller: even if it isn't a single payer system, how do you force somebody to become a doctor, to fulfill somebody else's so-called right? what rights do they have if they don't want to become a doctor? somebody has to do it. host: all right. let's go to maryland in cambridge, massachusetts, line for democrats. marilyn, good morning. caller: of course it's a right. it's always been a right in every society, civilized or not so civilized.
the ain gent egyptians fixed the bones of their slaves when they were hurt in an accident. there's evidence of that. if you're a native american indian before there were any white people here, you got to go to the medicine man. in the cave days, it would be a medicine woman or a medicine -- people have always had a right to go to somebody when they were sick, and you say you have a right to trash collection, do you have a right to clean water? i mean, you can say you don't have a right to trash llection, but there would be they'll pay if there were no trash or garbage collection, and if the water wasn't dependablely clean. it's just a stupid argument to say you don't have a right to healthcare. of course you do. i'm talking about -- people have always had to deal with sickness. 2349 old days it was contagious deals. people were nearly crazy trying
to how to stop the plague, thousand stop all the contagious diseases that were killing people by the millions. so healthcare has always been a concern, and part of the society, civilized and not so civilized. so the stupid thing to say people don't have a right to healthcare, it's ridiculous. that's all i have to say about it. host: mary, this debate over whether or not healthcare is a right is described as a distraction by a spokesman for the heritage action for america. this is in the article in the "christian science monitor" this week. i'll show it to you. the article in the "christian science monitor" notes that the political debate that's been going on.
host: cody is in arizona, an independent. good morning. caller: good morning, john. i do believe that healthcare is a right, and i take it to the perspective of how we wrote our constitution. in it, there are three things it speaks about for the individual, life, liberty, and he pursuit of happiness. now, is life not health? is health not life?
what we have to understand, in that is, at an early age as an infant, it's essential that you have health. as a senior and you have all of this life's knowledge that you an pass on for generations and into generations, health is critical. host: thanks for the call. john is in maryland, a democrat. john, good morning. caller: good morning. how are you, america? thank god for c-span. it's a place that allows the american people to voice their opinion. first of all, america, i would like for you to think of this life health being a right. it is definitely a right. let me explain a single system that we all are familiar with, the military. that's a single payer system.
we all pay taxes. the united states gives us protection. it doesn't matter your wealth, doesn't matter how poor you are. you have the right to be protected in america under the single payer system and the military, ok? let's look at the healthcare system, ok? as it relation to the military, when the military needs assistance for outside of the military functions, they hire contractors to come in and do the work. if we do a single payer system like that, the -- that's similar to the healthcare system, where we pay through taxes or whatever other means, we pay into one system, where the united states is able to give us a card, where we can go to a hospital or agency that's affiliated with the single payer system and get health. i know there are some callers saying what about the welfare people sitting at home. well, we can take some of the money from their welfare check to pay into the system.
we can make it work. we can make it work. we're the united states of america. if we cut out some of these big businesses that's taking all of this money and turning it money into something else and an investment into other things, stop paying them, pay out government. let's do a single payer system where everybody has healthcare and then we can move on. host: john, neil larson's question that he pose insist his column that we read earlier, if healthcare is considered a fundamental right that's guaranteed, what isn't? do you think that could become a slippery slope? he poses things like mobility, should the government provide cars to everyone? is mobility a guaranteed right, the ability to get to a job, to get around? does it become a slippery slope? caller: not at all. listen, you have people throwing stuff into the pot, of course they're going to throwee nones things into the pot. we're talking about healthcare here, ok? a person walks into the hospital.
he's got a pain in his chest. what does that have to do with a car, ok? you got ambulances. the ambulance pick him up at the house, take him to the hospital. he has a car where he can get help f. a person goes to the hospital and they say, ok, you're 50 pounds overweight, if that person loses a few pounds, the next time they go back to the hospital, you get a rebate, ok? we can work things out to make it reasonable for everybody. we don't have to throw that you will extra stuff into the pot. it's justee erroneous. just like the government pays $1,000 for a hammer, $50 for a pencil. these are things that we can look at and say we don't need to deal with that. we need to cut the price on this. we need to bargain on this. we need to have medicines that's bargained on. we can come to a conclusion. we're americans. come on now. we've overcome so much in this country. healthcare is not an issue. it's only an issue because you have these big businesses that's trying to monopolize everything. stop paying them. pay the government. let the government hire these people, scrutinize them, and
then let's go ahead on and make this thing work. host: got your point. mike, north carolina, republican. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you today? host: doing well. caller: lively crowd as usual. i will offer one little criticism of you real fast. you should have corrected the guy two calls back when he went on about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. that is object obviously in the declaration of independence, and i'm sure you know that. it's little things like that that sometimes you guys -- you know, i'm not saying get in everybody's face, but that's a pretty big thing. but that being said, no healthcare is not a right. it's a necessity. there's no doubt about that. but again, like so many people have spoken about, any time someone else has to provide you a service or a good or whatever and their time is involved, their skill is involved or whatever, you can't mandate
them to do that. it's simply untenable. and none of our basic rights in the constitution, speech, religion, the right to assemble, the right to address our government, redress of grievances. those do not -- even freedom of the press, it does not mean that the government is going to provide you with printing presses and the infrastructure to have a newspaper t. just means you can start one. also, as far as if health cafere is a right, then what about the four basics of survival, food, water, clothing and shelter? those things are obviously required just to survive, but they're not given to us. obviously the government provides some level of support for people who are in dire straits. food stamps, rent assistance, so on and so forth. so we try to basic scommep assistance to those in our society who have fall onhard times or are having a tough
time. but we don't say that, you know, anybody can walk into your local supermarket and just take grosh his. you still have to pay for it, because that grocery store owner and that company and those people that work there and the people that grew the food had to provide it. they had to grow it. they had to spend millions of dollars to seed their land, to provide us with the crops that we need to feed ours. it's just -- you know, like i said, it's a necessity. and one other thing, and i'll finish, if you'd allow me. i saw an interesting graph over the weekend. it drew cost lines of various things that all of us require in our lives. the top of the graph were things like healthcare, education, textbooks, and a variety of things that the government has their finger in or were into it up to our necks with government involvement. and you can say that the cost curve was incredibly high.
on the bottom of the cost curve were prices have generally gone down over the years are consumer items like televisions, computers, iphones, where the government is barely involved, and there's much more competition. and that should be a revelation to all of us, in that whenever we allow government to get more and more involved in things, it disrupts the markets. it manipulates the markets, and we end up paying far more than we would for just an iphone. that's my two cents. have a great day. host: all right. pamela in california, line for republicans. pamela, good morning. caller: good morning. i'm going say, it probably is a rivilege, but i think that the underlying premise of your question is, who pays for it? because the whole idea of we're going to make this the right to
healthcare a right means, does that mean that all of the costs will be transferred to the taxpayer? d i think, really, that i've had a lot of healthcare, and i have health insurance, and i feel extremely lucky for being in the position where i can get healthcare that i can afford. .nd i consider it a privilege and i think that -- i guess it was rage unanimous 1986 said that noh in a one that comes in for medical care to a hospital it be turned away, that they have to be treated where they can pay or not. i definitely agree with that. but i also think, those, that we're not going to be able to transfer these costs to the taxpayer that individuals are going to have to. pick up a lot of the costs of
their own medical care. either through insurance or just making monthly payments if near an accident or they have a situation where they need medical care. i don't think it should be denied anyone. but i think that the real issue is who's going to pay for this. we already know that medicare is going broke. social security is going broke. e already know that the top 1% of the taxpayers pay almost 40% of all the income tax that is paid into the federal government. of the income earners pay 71%. this is according to kiplinger's tax letter. and the bottom 50% of the
taxpayers pay 2.75% of the total federal income tax paid into the government. so we have to say who is going to pay for this. people say, well, just have medicare for everybody and it will be free. obviously it's not free. obamacare is not free. and people that don't get a subsidy or don't get medicaid are paying very high prices, premiums plus deductibles, and their healthcare has been made virtually unaffordable. host: all right. pamela in california, a few of the headlines this morning, the continued fallout since the bill, the american healthcare act was pulled before a vote took place on friday. here's one of the headlines on the front page of the
"washington times," the fall guy, question mark. conservatives want ryan out after healthcare loss, a story looking at some of the conservative voices that are blaming the speaker. and then next to that, the headline, health and human services chief in the spotlight after the repeal vote is ditched. that's tom price, the secretary of h.h.s., can only make small plan changes, a story looking at what he might be able to do on the regulatory side. and one other story that's getting attention this morning, here's the story from "the hill" newspaper about it, but it's in several other papers. congressman poe, republican from texas, "washington journal" viewers will know him from being on this program, he resigned sunday from the house freedom caucus, indicating that he did so because he wanted to vote for the republican health proposal that the right-wing caucus so adamantly opposed. the story noting his statement that he put out, he said in order to deliver on the conservative agenda, we have promised the american people for eight years, we must come together to find solutions to
move this country forward, saying no is easy, leading is hard, but that -- but that is what we were elected to do. leaving this caucus will allow me to be a more effective member of congress and advocate for the people of texas. it is time to lead, congressman poe in his statement, leaving the free come caucus. democrats in california, good morning. caller: hi, i was just noticing that we talk about rights, is healthcare a right? basically there are no rights that are absolute. healthcare is a right, but there are no rights really that are absolute. given the right to life, for instance. if the right to life was absolute, there would be no cap capital punishment. a few of us americans, we're compassionate and said there are certain things like food, one gentleman was talking about a right to food, food and things like that, we're not going to let people starve. we're not going to let people
die in the streets. what we decided, i think the more reasonable, the more reasonable, compassionate americans decided that in order for that not to happen, all of us would pay to keep these people from dying in the street and dying and don't have a place to live, we would all dwhashe the conservatives want to put on us is the fact that we encourage people to live for free. we don't encourage people to live for free, we just have enough compassion to know we don't want people starving or dying, and so we're on the side of making sure that these things don't happen, and that we get attacked by the conservatives, because the conservatives accuse us of having handouts. so that's basically my point. my point is there are no rights that are absolute. so we believe that healthcare is a right, and just like the other rights that stipulated in the rights, healthcare is a right also. that's my comment. host: stella on twitter says
take care of your own health, nobody is denied care. many clinics for needy, help is available for all. one other says healthcare isn't in the constitution, news flash, retired conservatives, that includes your medicare, oops. the u.s.a. healthcare is the only -- healthcare is only a right for billionaires and millionaires. for the rest of us, it is rationed by insurance, companies for profit. and victor writes, why are we even asking this question? of course healthcare is a right. it's why we banned using germ warfare, isn't it? wayne is in alabama, line for independents. wayne, good morning. caller: good morning. the question is, is healthcare a right? if it is say for you, then who is it that we're imposing upon to give that right to you? the doctors, the hospitals? those companies that make hospital equipment, taxpayers?
to say it's a right for someone else, but take the rights of others away to give to someone else is no longer a right. that's completely wrong. host: wayne, you would agree that rights are generally something that the government should stay away from imposing i was on, as opposed to something we should be asking our government to do for us? caller: think about it. anything our government gets involved with, we lose rights. we don't gain rights. everything they have ever touched, we pay more for. think about it. if you get sick and it's your right to healthcare, why is it a doctor's responsibility and imposing upon him sitting down to have dinner with his hildren and wife to run over and see about you?
you just imposed upon his rights to spend time with his family, saying that it's your right. the problem with america right now is you've got so many people yelling, this is my right, when it's not. that's your responsibility. host: do you think it's the responsibility of the government to try to ensure that healthcare is affordable? caller: no, the part of the government is to stay out of it. the part of the united states government is to protect the citizens with the united states military. that's the only job that federal government is supposed to have. but they've come and dipped their hand into everything we're doing and everything is out of whack, out of control, the prices are sky high, because everybody knows when the government gets involved, the citizens are screwed. the only people that -- go ahead. host: what about ensuring clean
air or clean water or building highways? you don't think that's something the government should get involved in? rape it's not a right. -- caller: it's not a right. they can be involved in it, but when you take and impose upon someone else's right to give someone else more rights, that's wrong. host: all right. the question is, is healthcare a right? is it something that should be guaranteed in this country? we've got about 20 minutes left to talk about it this morning on the "washington journal." lines, again, for democrats, 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. joe is in louisiana, a democrat. joe, good morning. caller: good morning, yes, what went wrong with people? they talking about healthcare. it's not a right. but we have a right to carry a
gun. ok, that's a right. we have a right to protect ourselves. that's a right. but we don't have a right to take care of our sick, our homeless, our poor. you know, the poor people. i don't know where these people come from with all this talking about where the government is too big. when the hurricane blows in through your state or your ounty or your town and cause devastation, who the first thing you call on? the government. that's the first thing you call on. the government. the government come in there and -- these the same people that won't be involved in your system, because then again, take it from this hand, all the goodies and put down all the poor people that fighting for the same right.
there's no price is right. but the people need to get it and get it straight. everybody have a right to medicare. everybody has a constitutional right to be healed. how are you going to tell somebody or your own family members you don't have that right? you tell everybody let's go buy you a plot and get you when -- just come over there and kick you. that's it. host: joe in louisiana this morning. patricia is in ohio, a republican. patricia, is healthcare a right that should be guaranteed in this country? caller: i think everyone should have the right to have care. i don't know if it's my only impatien to take care of everyone -- my obligation to take care of everyone. my biggest concern is the cost. and i don't see the public of the united states caring about their own health. we are a fat society.
we have people who rely on pills to fix things, rather than them fixing them themselves, for instance, diabetics seem to always just take their pill and eat what they want. i think that we have a good system for people being cared for. i think that emergency rooms are overrun with people who can't afford healthcare and all of that should be fixed, and i don't know how it should be fixed. but i do think the biggest thing with healthcare is cost, and the public has an obligation, at least to me as a taxpayer, to take care of their own health. that's all i have to say, but thank you so much for listening to me. host: as we reported, democrats arguing that it should be a right that should be guaranteed. republicans arguing that healthcare is a matter of access and choice for individuals. we played that clip of john lewis from friday's floor debate. here's friday's rules committee
hearing, and republican congress woman liz cheney, a republican from wyoming, the daughter of the former vice president, talking about this emphasis by republicans on choice and access. >> as i lisp to my creegs on the other side of the aisle, their assumption underlies their questions and their challenges and their attacks is very much that the only thing that happens in this economy happens at the federal government orders that it happen. and that's fundamentally at odds with how our economy works. i want to ask you, chairman brady, you mentioned that we may be on the path here to just a single provider if we continue down this course. and i think that's a very important point. and as you look at what we're trying to do, can you talk a little bit more about the extent to which the changes that we're making are part of an overall effort to fundamentally remake this system so that people and states are in charge of heir
care and talk specifically also if you wouldn't mind about the extent to which the charges that women are going to be hurt, that mothers are going to be hurt, that children are going to be hurt, is actually completely at odds with the reality behalf we're doing. we're going to give people the right and the ability to purchase the insurance that they need and the resources to do so. >> well, let's start with that second point. this bill -- this amendment, excuse me, is ball ensuring that states can design healthcare plans that are right for them and right for their region. what it means is that instead of washington demanding a list of 11 certain benefits, it empowers states to determine which plans and which populations need which of those benefits. scommoip that was the rules committee debate on friday. that was before the republican bill to resandeel replace the
affordable care act was pulled from the floor. this mornings on the "washington journal," on a very foggy day on capitol hill, you can usually see the capitol over my shoulder there, can barely see the upper senate park behind our building this morning. we want to hear from you on this foggy morning in d.c. about this question. is healthcare a right? lines for democrats, republicans, and independents, about 15 minutes left to talk about it this morning. we're going to be covering a lot of issues this morning on the "washington journal." here with you for about 15 minutes on this question. jock is in connecticut, a democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you so much for c-span. m kind of baffled at how people can't understand how healthcare is a right. if you go to the hospital, they're going to take care of you.
i got to give a little love to my fellow citizen from ohio in terms of her point that the problem with healthcare is that t's too expensive. and when you have people that are blaming the government and saying that the government should get out of healthcare, they're not really looking at the fact that the government provides medicare, medicaid, so on and so forth. what i think needs to happen is there needs to be a collaboration between the public nt and the market. and an opt-out provision in obamacare that will allow people who can afford the cost of higher, more expensive plans to buy those plans without a ax credit, i think, but unless
congress decides on if they finally will to either say if healthcare is, in fact, a right or privilege, then they're going to have difficulty coming to terms on just exactly thousand move forward in terms of finding a pathway to reduce the cost of healthcare. and people who say that they're not responsible for other people's healthcare are ignoring the premise of health insurance, which is based on the law of large numbers, where everybody chips in to cover the cost of something that may take place unexpected so that the cost of that particular incident doesn't drive people to bankruptcy, so on and so forth, which is why -- one of
the reasons why the affordable care act was proposed in the first place. host: all right. ohio, line for independents, good morning. caller: thank you very much for taking my call. number one, the united states, cost of health scare 50% higher than any other industrialized country in the world. 1885, a national of 62 years, d my lost three years ago, sadly, was from germany, and we make more than one trip back, and they didn't have a problem with it. why do we have a problem with it here? because the insurance companies are involved in it, and that's the whole trouble. the way, all those who want founding fathers, just remember, in 1789 when the bill
of rights was passed, only white men who owned property could vote. it took until 1920 to get women suffrage, and then i forget the constitutional amendment that gave blacks the right to vote. every step of the way has been a fight. why has it been a fight? why haven't they given it up peacefully? why do we have to have all these cotton-picking snites but anyway, thank you very much for taking my call. host: jane in western new york, democrat, good morning. caller: hello, and thank you for c-span. yeah, that last speaker was correct. the for-profit healthcare people had their chance. they gave us higher prices every year. left to the free market, the prices kept going higher and higher, and they gave us lifetime limits and preexisting
onditions and blue cross was dumping a third of the people in tennessee, i saw a statistic, every year they were dumping people who were coming to them for health insurance. so that's where they left us. and now they want it back, and that's what the freedom caucus is doing, trying get it back for them. that's all they do. they just get their money from them, and that's what they do. they just keep on following every chance we have. and john kasich said it the best. he did a really, really good interview on c-span yesterday, and he just -- it was really just so strong. i hope people go and listen to it. it's on youtube. yeah, it's a right. i mean, you expect your government to do certain things, like keep the roads together and give us clean air
and clean water. and what did they end up doing in flint, michigan, when they didn't? they ended up spending millions the it, and expanding military, which was my initial point, was that that's what this is all about. , the ant to keep it bottom line the same, but expand the military. it's already the biggest in the world, but we want to make it bigger. so they're going to take from everything else that's out there. host: jane, on that topic, today you might be interested in this graphic in the "new york times" today, the headline on it is the military big enough. it looks into the u.s. military spending, president trump's proposal to add $54 billion to military spending, the united
states military spending, $596 billion, that's more than the next seven countries combined. the rest of the world after that only spends about $514 billion total on their various militaries. the graphic there that you are seeing on your screen showing he 2,831 tanks that the u.s. military has. 760 attack hell corse,, 3,476 tactical aircraft, 736 unmanned aerial vehicles, 10 aircraft carriers, 157 bombers, 31 amphibious ships, 68 submarines, 450 icbm's and so on. something you might be interested in checking out today, since it's a topic that interests you. lori in missouri, line for republicans, good morning. caller: good morning. the reason why i'm calling is that healthcare is not a privilege.
the bill i don't understand, if not trillions we spend on other countries would pay for our healthcare. we need allow the sale of insurance across state lines, tort reform. we need to put a 24-hour medical clinic in every hospital, locking the emergency room door so people are made to go to the medical clinic instead of the emergency room and let the medical clinic determine if it's an emergency. and that would probably cut our costs millions, if not billions. medicare is not an entitlement. it was paid into by those of us who worked. i find it offensive for them to keep calling it an entitlement. the only reason it is called an entitlement is because they put people on who never paid into it, and i resent that.
we paid into it. and our healthcare is poor, very poor. host: all right. on twitter, janice writes in, it's a right to give basic need to the homeless to care and take care of the elderly. why do we have a problem with this in this country? ghost eagle dean writes in, of course healthcare is a right, the constitution speaks of the ommon welfare of our citizens. referring to the general welfare clause in the constitution. jeffrey is in pennsylvania, line for independents. jeffrey, good morning. caller: good morning. thanks for the show. you guys do a great job. i love watching it and listening to everyone. i just have one comment about the marketplace, the market for insurance, this is a necessity. insurance is a necessity. it's not a privilege, nor a right, but in that consideration, the market for insurance is not a free market.
we have no choice in this. we all will need some kind of healthcare at some point in time. the ironic part about it is that if we have a prisoner in prison, an inmate in prison, cannot be subjected to cruel nd unusual punishment. yet we allow the citizens who are paying taxes and everything to be denied, so are we treating the people who are contributing citizens, not felons or at prisoners at the time, are we treating those people with cruel and unusual punishment? is that the intent? host: a few more calls on this topic coming your way, but doment to show you this lead story in today's "washington post." an event happening today at the white house, president trump plans to unveil a new white
house office today with sweeping authority to overhaul the federal bureaucracy and fulfill key campaign promises, such as reforming care for veterans and fighting opioid addiction by harvesting ideas from the business world and potentially privatizing some government functions -- host: that snore today's "washington post," if up to the read more about it. jay, michigan, line for republicans. go ahead. caller: hi, i feel that -- first of all, thank you for c-span.
this is a fantastic program, and we need more of this. i feel that this right thing has been settled 30 years ago by ronald reagan, when he signed the emergency healthcare bill. i mean, essentially when people go to the emergency room, the people who have insurance pay for it. if they don't have the ability to pay. so the problem with the affordable care act and the bill that the republicans put forth is it was actually the affordable care act was a republican bill. all the ideas in the affordable care act were republican ideas, like personal responsibility and the individual mandate, actually taking responsibility for when you go to the emergency room and making sure that you had insurance and the ability to pay for it. that's a republican idea. that's not a democrat idea. that's why the healthcare bill that they put forward was so
bad, all the ideas were taken in the affordable care act. host: all right. mary, philly, a democrat. good morning. caller: yes, good morning. healthcare is a -- it became a ight in 1996 under the federal tobacco law tax and fund. i'm i a retired state worker. i worked for the state of pennsylvania for 45 years. d i was in place when this law was enacted. host: remind us what that was about, mary. aller: ok, it was based on secondhand smoke. can he is not know the wults secondhand smoke, and the tobacco industry had to pay out trillions of dollars to the united states, and it was based on issuing block grants to the
various governors to cover all states zens in their based on secondhand smoke. the only governor that al heard to the law was governor romney. and all the other governors wanted to do their own thing. in pennsylvania, we had governor rendell, who instituted the medicare act, which failed. -- the med care act, which failed. they're aware this law is still in place. we still collect taxes on the tobacco products. and people have died as a result of secondhand smoke in this country. so healthcare is a right, and i have to commend the freedom caucus, because i think a lot of them probably were in place when this law was enacted. host: ok. doug is in baltimore, maryland, an independent.
doug, good morning. caller: good morning. it's frustrating for me to hear all these people say healthcare is a right. i think they have an issue with the english language, because we definition, it's not a right. if it's in the constitution, if it's in the bill of rights, it can be a right, right to protect from you things the government can do to you or against you. now, you can say healthcare for all is a priority or a spending priority, but we have limited resources, and we have to choose our priorities, and that's the option of legislators to choose where to spend the money. but it's clearly not a right. and one more thing quickly, if we think single payer is so great, we have a single payer system in this country already. it's called the v.a. and that hasn't worked so well for people. host: hell send in maryland, democrat. helen, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i've been listening and not really calling in recently. however, i'm going to let you know that i am involved with
healthcare issues in our country. you know where the hotel is. i go there at least three times a year, and also on capitol hill over these medicare and healthcare bills. yes, we need healthcare. there were 19 states who did not even take affordable care act, and people are saying government should not be involved. yes, it should be involved. as long as they're taking our taxpayer's money, and we are the people who would say how we want that money spent. when you look at our roads, you look at our water, you look at hour food, how it is grown, the plants, people working in stores and the germs, you will need healthcare, and a lot of these stores are not providing it, so the people who are paying taxes will end up paying it. also on war, when you keep having -- host: helen, when you come to and i will and talk about these
issues, is it something you do on your own as a private citizen? do you do it as part of a group? caller: i am representing a few caller: i represent a few companies involved in health care issues. host: does that make you a lobbyist? caller: no, i am not a lobbyist. host: what do you advocate for? caller: we advocated for having the credit card not be applied pay, and it passed in the senate but not the house. this is where people are going broke trying to pay their medical bills through credit cards. on the younger people, ideal with a lot of younger people who have cancer. we also look at the shriners, these people all
are young people, not just old people. be careful how people say it is the old people. paids an older person, i in health care even when i was young. somebody had to help carry that burden, because you never know when this thing is going to hit you. so that is where i am with that, and i would rather not have have carorced me to insurance than to force me not to have health insurance. host: birmingham, alabama, republican. richard, good morning. caller: i have lived in a lot of seen the way they do health care. give ase countries citizen -- you are first a citizen and you are supposed to be respected -- and all of them and they can go in
and get health care or free health care when they want it. i mostly lived in france. i lived in spain, in portugal. i visited belgium for two or three years. care forall have people because they respect their people. is something you would like to see in the united states? caller: they respect you, first of all. host: that is the last call in this segment. coming up, we will look of the week ahead here in washington, d.c. by mike lillised from "the hill" newspaper and gabby morrongiello of "the washington examiner." segment,in our money
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