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up 99% of the calls. i think they have saved lives. you never know for sure and it will take probably several years to see if we've had a decrease that. we know that veterans create -- 21% more than -- suicide 21% more than the population in general. to be the caseed and we're not sure why that is. used to before 9/11 the suicide the military was actually less than it was in the general population so something changed. but i think there are people out here, myself and everyone on that committee that is committed to do everything we can to make available to prevent it. it is preventible and we need to much as we can. "washington journal" continues. us now is randy u.s. and director of research programs at the migration policy institute.
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there were less than 17,000 in march. since 2000. and the effects so far of the trump administration's policies.n randy, thank you so much for joining us today. good morning host: and before we begin our immigration, ut just a note in today's headlines, a new headline out of gypt that a second blast has hit a church in egypt today. news.rom bbc two blasts targeting coptic hristians on palm sunday in egypt has killed at least 36 alexandria. pope had been attending mass but was unhurt.
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talk about the decline of the u.s.-mexican border apprehension overall. why is it declining and is it what president trump has done or said? guest: first just to put the perspective. there were 17,000 in march and by i think own something like three quarters since january and usually the go up in the spring so it's the reverse of the usual seasonal pattern. in perspective, last year, there were twice as many. in the month of march and there were about ten 160,000 or so back in 2006. so it is a very different icture from what we've seen before. and i think there's basically two things going on. long term trend in unauthorized migration from exico, the group that's
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predominant among the people apprehended by the border patrol is way down run and that's a continuation of what we saw during the obama administration but it's in the last two months. that happens.g around 2014 we started seeing large numbers of people coming especiallyl america, women and children. groups we had not seen in large numbers before. in 2014 lly starting there were more people apprehended from central america than from mexico. what we've seen is that wave has come to an end at least same time at the that mexican apprehensions remained low. what let's look at homeland security at the senate hearing wednesday when homeland security secretary explained why it was diminishing and he talked about the president's executive orders. take a look. >> securing our nation's border is the responsible of any nation.
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us who serve the nation as part of dhs this is nonnegotiable and sacred. yet, for a decade the federal government in spite of passing do justafter another to that has not lived up to its promise to the american people. in the material days of his administration ssued executive orders and focused interest on this very ssue and tasked me to accomplish it. various executive orders have been put out there. them effectively. some of them not. but all of them worth adhering the courts finish with their rulings. but what's happened in the last or so, we've seen an absolutely amazing drop in the coming out ofants central america that are taking hat terribly dangerous route from central america into the united states. in particular, we've seen a cray mattic reduction in the number of families and children in the
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pipeline. it won't last. it won't last unless we do secure the ain to border. host: what's your reaction to secretary kelly? uest: i think he's absolutely right. this is a historic drop. i think if you look at it on a basis, this is probably the lowest level since about 1970. as i said earlier a continuation of downward trend we saw during the obama administration. i mean, the total number of already been had cut more than half by 2016. it's also important when he said this might not last. it's definitely a very positive in the short term but the things that are pushing people o leave central america, the really difficult conditions there haven't changed. and unless those change, they're these o continue to be migration pressures. so i think there needs to be a solid tion of good, border enforcement strategies and something to address the migration in the
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region host: okay. we're talking to of capps, the director research for u.s. programs at the migration policy institute. the dropking the about in apprehensions at the u.s.-mexican border and trump's immigration pam president trump's immigration policies. republicans can call -- we have a number from the u.s. border patrol about apprehension and how that has gone down significantly since 2000. a chart showing it was over 1.6
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2000 and it has gone below to 200,000 in 2016. talk about who is crossing the borders. guest: they have gone way down and the reason for that has been developing in mexico. birthrate.a lower it has a stronger economy and more jobs and in much stronger education system. to the last three or four years you have seen the number increase quite rapidly. they are very dangerous countries.
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you really have a combination of poor economies and people leaving those three countries. have james on the line on our independent line. caller: you are real addition to the media out there. we have to do something about immigration. i live in a liberal city in washington. immigration is out of control. rising world population. we simply can only afford to take in so many people from the rest of the world. the system is broken and needs to be rebuilt. guest: i agree the system was broken. currentrn when our immigration system was created and it was tweaked only really
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once since then. i think there is a lot of consensus that the total immigration system needs an overhaul. the problem is getting people to agree on what that should be. if you look at these numbers, we are down less than a 10th of legal immigration across the board. to getally not possible all the way to zero. create a safe environment where the probability of harm is very low. >> the president has proposed a number of things on immigration policy.
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there is an editorial. with respect to that wall, how do you build that on the 1200 miles of the rio grande? do you put it on our site and abandon the river? or put it in desk in the middle of makeiver? how do you private landowners to go along? other questions about how do you , talkeople from tunneling about the logistic issues.
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there are a lot of different challenges in different places. they are quite a ways from the where -- from the river. it won't last. that means it has to be in u.s. territory. right now you have a lot of private landowners. it is almost all private land. many members are against the retire --use it would would require taking people's land. in some cases you have cliffs that were maybe 100 to 10,000 feet hide. even do it logistically?
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that is tribal land and that involves negotiations. many parts of the order that of the border are very remote. they are far away from any road. there just isn't a lot and hasn't been a lot of traffic across for our unauthorized immigration. there are laws in place is near cities. it is not only less effective because people are crossing, it is far more expensive. >> does the border wall make sense to you?
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mind thate to bear in more than half of the unauthorized population are overstaying it. they are overstaying it. they're not even coming across the border from mexico. after that building the wall would solve half the problem. i think people need to bear that in mind. host: a caller from our independent line. you are on. >> border control is along a certain path that the folks are coming down from deeper than mexico could also come by vote and, through the gulf of mexico. no customs, no nothing. we build roads in this country
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to get from one place to another and people choose to take them. they use something else and hasn't the government got a little lazy over the years in regulating? now donald trump comes in from the outside read there are better ways for doing things. but only get going and catch up ith the times? you have all this opposition going on and we agree to disagree, when is this going to stop. and you finally go forward and do something that is positive instead of working on we agree to disagree. there are two points, the first is that agreeing to disagree, i agree we do need to move forward, we need to get everybody together and really deal with this issue of
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immigration and what should our immigration policy b. there are a lot of heap questions involved in that but the best way to solve that is to finally get everyone to agree on some action. congress is the body that sets the immigration policy. administration enforces it. now the second part about trytime, people can always to come in by boat. we have a strong coast guard. we definitely haven't had a large number of people try to come across in that way, but that has -- that is what happened. that is what building the can't be the only solution. >> you talk about congress been the body that decides policy.
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speaker paul ryan said that congress would probably not grant the trust administration's request for additional money for a border wall this year, added that it most likely will be included in the next fiscal years appropriation paid also chairman of the homeland security committee says he sees the wall as metaphoric. what do you expect given the signals? guest: secretary kelly in his testimony about this. you can talk to the people in the department of homeland security, they need a for jewel wall -- they need a virtual wall. ,hey need ways to find people the aerial surveillance. they need the technology, it is all of those things. it is also expensive but not as
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expensive as the brick-and-mortar wall. ofht now there are a lot competing resources. are we going to maintain health care? going to build infrastructure across the united how effective is a wall compared to some of those other tactics? host: randy is on our republican line. hike, randy. i hear president trump won't enforce immigration within our borders because it might break up the families of these illegal immigrants. but every day in this country we send thousands of people and that breaks up their families.
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, anybody who is an unauthorized toigrant is subject punishment as anybody else. they have the additional penalty of being deported for those crimes. system we have had in place now for about 10 years, where anywhere in person the country gets their fingerprints checked for immigration status and then flagged if they are unauthorized has been working pretty well. the only question is between the administrations, is anybody arrested for any reason being deported? throughout the obama administration, and the obama administration deported more people from inside the united states than any other administration in history.
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they focus on those people who committed crimes. >> and those numbers on formal deportation. sick -- increased consistently over time. 440 4000 deportations that aren't president obama the title. the you expect to see that same level? will a child administration be up at maintain that same level of deportation? trump administration be able to maintain the same level of deportation? if you look at inside united states, we were deporting two hundred 50,000 people, most of whom committed crimes every year. through 70,00065 it has dropped in the because the obama-
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administration had focused on people who committed felonies. they weren't deporting people for all crimes. the trump administration reversed those priorities and put it back to the way it was at the beginning of the obama administration, when we had those record numbers. one would expect that we would quickly return to those numbers. the question is will the department of homeland security push that further? will they arrest people who haven't committed crimes? we haven't seen that in large numbers. but we could. howink it will depend on many officers they can hire and how much detention space they can buy. >> marcia is on our democratic line. go ahead.
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thing to just have one say. size of montana with a population twice the size of california. unfortunately we only took in 40 thousand people in a two-year period where germany took in one million. this doesn't have anything to do with canadians coming across the border or the asians coming and working silicon valley. this has to do with racism and islamophobia and syrians and mexicans and people that somehow or other our population finds undesirable. that is my statement. >> we haven't talked about the refugees yet. it is true before two years ago we were taken 50,000 refugees per year through a resettlement. 70,000 per year was the highest number of refugees of any
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country in the world. the united states has taken and more refugees through official channels. the big flow of one million people to germany and more than one million people to europe is on a totally different scale. those are predetermined prescreened refugees. those are people who showed up to asylum. it's easy for people to get there. the u.s. doesn't feel that pressure. the u.s. was asked to do more. even though 70,000 was relatively generous for an official refugee program, the comparison to them million plus , the obamao europe administration plans to raise at this year. the trump administration came in and lowered it to 2000. that sends a signal that the united states it's turning its back on the refugee crisis.
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we are using chemical gas against people that is not acceptable. what about acknowledging the victims of that attack and other government attacks and isis attacks in syria deserve -- in the united states. >> we are talking with the director of research of u.s. programs at the migration policy institute about the president immigration policies. they'll is calling on our republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. the cost of a physical wall may be hike, but when you look at it over a hot thing of time the cost would go down. i think few people would talk about how expensive the great wall of china is, but it has ton a physical barrier
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enforce our borders and will go down as the cost increased over time. of people coming in our skilled labor and america just doesn't have those jobs anymore. i would like to get his opinion on it, one method is being able to create a will for the other -- keepother countries people from other countries from entering the u.s.. we pay for health care and other services. this can be taken from other money that we give them. or put them on as a tariff. is a lot of talk about having mexico pay for the wall. there are other talks about tax admittance is. do ultimately is
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try to get these countries more economically sound. reason we have some and if you are people trying to cross the the mexicancause economy is in much better shape. mexico,extra taxes on we work against the mexican economy which is in our post -- which is in our best interest. we need to find a way to support those countries. people talk about cutting foreign assistance. we have something called the alliance for posterity, the money from three countries in america and from international institutions. to build infrastructure and create jobs to keep people from coming to the united states in the first place. that that would go the furthest way toward reducing
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these migration pressures. certainly the number of jobs in is the climbing and there is certainly competition from immigrants for those jobs. ultimately getting back to the big question, what is the way we need to find a way to regulate migration that is balanced for the economy. that is going to mean tightening up our immigration. -- long run,ne what is current help us the most is people who have jobs and trying to stay there. >> on the issue of deportations as president trump said he wants to focus on moving criminals as president obama did. trump -- for releasing
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thousands of criminals who we set might have been deported had the united states imposed sanctions on their uncooperative homeland. -- including whether to jeopardize national security and economic interests so that nations adjust china will accept all chinese citizens that the u.s. reports. it is very difficult when you have countries that typically will not take those individuals back. a lawyer during the obama administration acting as -- talk about this problem of deporting criminals. countries, the ones that won't take these back, that has been a long-standing issue. you have to keep people in detention for years, which is inhumane and expensive.
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that means releasing criminals back to the u.s.. it's been a problem with china. one way you can do that is not letting people from those countries come to the united states at all. obviously when it comes to china, a country with the largest population in the world and very strong economic relationship between us and that country, it's going to be hard. you have to weigh the issue of the recalcitrance on deportees against all of our economic picture. the foreign policy side is complicated. the larger issue of detaining criminals is also complicated in which some parts of the cities and states that don't
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cooperate fully with immigration enforcement, that is the state of california. other cities have long-standing policies of not cooperating. sometimes it seems like they take it too far. someone with ao violent history went on to murder someone. there was widespread agreement that was probably not such a great idea and caused a great big backlash. you have to ask you put all the people who murder people in the same bucket with people who have just a traffic violation or shoplifting charge, which the current policy does, i think there is probably middle ground there. >> good morning. caller: good morning, thank you so much for taking my call. usuallyissue is
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focusing on the immigration part coming across the borders. there is an extremely large number of immigrants that overstay. they simply marry american citizens to acquire a green card and get divorced two years later. there are millions of people doing that but they don't do studies about how they are going to control that. is my main concern, that they never do studies. host: talk about overstating the study -- overstating the visas. wall and you build the completely stop migration across the border from mexico, that is only half the problem. the big problem is somebody overstaying -- we can't measure them. in a lot of countries when you go into a country and fill out a form, you leave the country and fill out a form.
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we don't do that in the united states, we don't have a good system for tracking people. we're just developing it. process, there is no exit control. a really expensive proposition and difficult technologically to do that. congress mandated and overstay system more than a decade ago. and homeland security has been working on it. very difficult to know how many people are overstaying. the final problem is the border overstays are a bigger problem. through the ports of entry, the land ports every day. we have no way of counting how many people will return. that is another extremely expensive technological thing to
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do. we could start to get a handle on this problem, which is probably the biggest problem we have with immigration right now. host: the president's travel ban is under review right now, making its way through the next circuit. what is the impact of that plan? guest: i put myself in jeopardy if i predict what the supreme court might do. there are some things in that executive order where the president has some clear authority. i think as far setting the level of refugees as we discussed, from 110,000 to 50,000 annually, that is something all presidents do. temporary suspension of all immigration is new. that hasn't been done in a long time. i think because of the things that were said during and after
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the campaign by some of the president's surrogates and the muslim ban put them in a bad situation. gone have a are problem with suspension from certain muslim countries. it is hard to see which way the supreme court will rule on that. host: from texas on our independent line. i am so glad you are here today. i have been hearing on the tv news that obama was weak on immigration and that terrorists were coming here over the border. on herelad you are today because i am so sick of hearing it. law that enforced the was already there before. i can't understand how people
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believe mexico is going to pay for this wall. how much taxes to you think those people pay them? they are going to build a wall, that is crazy. >> thank you for the comments. i think a lot of it is short memory because there was a lot of outcry over the fact that the had risen to record levels. it is true president obama carved out certain groups of unauthorized immigrants without the approval of congress. that is protecting 750,000 people. it andu try to expand protect them from immigration enforcement. people thet gave
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impression that he was caving. trying to balance it between a tough border andrcement approach protecting certain groups of people. host: director of research for migrationams at the policy institute, talk about the president's immigration policies. thank you for joining us this morning. a programming note, tomorrow we will be covering the swearing-in ceremony of judge neil gorsuch is the next justice of the u.s. supreme court. c-span.org as well as c-span radio app. tomorrow we will be joined by -- we will also be joined by matt ross, who will discuss his book irsunholy trinity and also
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