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historian david mccola on "the american spirit: who we are and what we stand for" a selection of his speeches. >> the 20th century senator that's been written about the most is joe mccarthy. there is dozens of books about mccarthy yet there is no one that -- about one that stood up to him the most. >> do you know how you went about preparing for that speech? >> hards i ever worked on anything i ever delivered from a podium. >> historian david mccullough on his book "the american spirit," a selection of his speeches going back to 1989, sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's "q&a." >> with the first 100 days of the trump administration approaching, c-span takes a look at the president's cabinet, which includes the senior most appointed officials in the executive branch. we begin our program with attorney general jeff sessions
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who was announced as the nominee on november 18 and confirmed by the full senate 52-47 on february 8. after working for a number of years as u.s. attorney for the southern district of alabama, mr. sessions was nominated to be a federal judge by ronald reagan but was rejected by the senate judiciary committee. jeff sessions later served as alabama attorney general and spent 20 years in the u.s. senate. here's a portion of his confirmation hearing from january. >> the attorney general of the united states is, of course, the nation's chief law enforcement officer. he or she is not the president's lawyer. senator grassley: nor is he the president's wing man, as attorney general holder described himself. rather, he or she has an independent obligation to the constitution and to the american people. now, i know you care deeply about this foundational
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principle. so i'm going to ask you a question. i've heard you ask other nominees for attorney general. occasionally, you'll be called upon to offer an opinion to the president who appointed you. you'll have to tell him yes or no, and sometimes presidents don't like to be told no. so i'd like to know, will you be able to stand up and say no to the president of the united states if in your judgment the law and your duty demands it? and the reason i ask that because i know you work very hard for the president-elect. senator sessions: mr. chairman, i understand the importance of your question. i understand the responsibility of the attorney general and i will do so. you simply have to help the president do things that he might desire in a lawful way and have to be able to say no, both for the country, for the legal system and for the
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president, to avoid situations that are not acceptable. i understand that duty. i've observed it through my years here, and i will fulfill that responsibility. senator grassley: just so my colleagues don't think i am taking advantage of time, somebody didn't start the clock. oh, you got -- ok. well, the light isn't working. i'm sorry. i can read it now. so i heard what you said but just emphasize -- let me follow-up. well, if you disagree with the president's chosen course of action and you told him so and he intends to pursue that course of action anyway, what are your options at that point? senator sessions: mr. chairman, i think an attorney general should, first, work with the president. hopefully that attorney general will have the confidence of the president and avoid situations that would be unacceptable.
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i do agree that if an attorney general is asked to do something that's plainly unlawful, he cannot participate in that, he or she, andhe or sh. and that person would have to resign before agreeing to execute a policy that the attorney general believes would be unlawful or unconstitutional. i would say that there are areas that are rightly clear and right. there are areas that may be gray . and there are areas that are unacceptable. a good attorney general needs to know where those lines are to help the president where possible and assist. senator grassley: you have 14ved in this department for or 15 years. you served as the state attorney general. you served on this committee for a long time.
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we have oversight over the department that you might have. it you have done at all for 20 years. i have had my share of disagreement with the department leadership. some of those were surely policy disagreements. some issues were especially troubling to me in the department failed to perform fundamental functions to enforce the law. as attorney general, day in and day out. it is faced with difficult and sometimes thorny legal problems. what will your approach be. and more broadly, what is your vision for the department? senator sessions: the ultimate to carry they principles out.
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you can be sure i understand that. , will do my dead level best and there are other challenges this country faces. i would be pleased to recognize the influence of the legislative branch and to welcome the insights you might have. senator grassley. that is an important issue with me. let me emphasize by saying, is that your say approach as attorney general will be to enforce the law regardless of policy differences?
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>> absolutely. i don't think i have any hesitation. the roles i have had to go to the executive, legislative branch. to the executive branch. it is a transfer of not only physician but the way you approach issues. i would be an executive function, and enforcement function of the laws this great legislative body my past. >> it hurts the career core that staff said. conservative bloggers are circulating names. those that say they should be demoted or reassigned because of what they had. one commentator for the heritage
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foundation has made the filthison to self -- within the department and suggested you need to run rivers . will wipe out the agency from top to bottom. that was as recently as november. in rhode island, we have a long tradition back to roger williams and state.ng church as an attorney general and u.s. attorney, we have a tradition of a lower career attorneys to follow the policy and hold the career people responsible for that. -- problem a primer with attorneys whose private beliefs are secular ones?
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will you support the career attorneys against the pressure from these right-wing organizations seeking to wash them out like filth, to paraphrase the heritage foundation? senator sessions: department of justice is composed primarily of career professionals that serve their able he is united states attorneys. i give them the highest respect. most of those attorneys reach high standards. they are willing to follow lawful orders and directions from their superiors even if they might have a different philosophy. know how exactly that works. you would normally expect, and i'm sure the obama administration made changes in the leadership.
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they put career people in positions they thought would be most advantageous for them to advance their causes they believed in. and that's sort of within the rules of the game. but to target people or in any way demean them if they were fine public servants and following the law. i think we should respect them. i use that word in the 90,000 foot level. i believe we are reaching a that the very ideal, the idea of truth is not believed to be real. and that all of life is just a matter of your perspective and
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perspective. i believe it is contrary to the american heritage. we are not a theocracy. nobody should be required to believe anything. i share thomas jefferson's words on the memorial over here. i swear eternal hostility of any domination of the mind of man. and i think we should respect people's views and not demand any kind of religious test for holding office. >> and a secular person has just as good a claim to understanding the truth is a person who is religious? senator sessions: i'm not sure. in what method? >> that an attorney would bring to bear. sessions: we will treat anybody with different views fairly and objectively. the ideal of truth and trying to achieve the right solution, to
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me, is an important goal. >> a little over a month after winning the presidential election, donald trump chose rex tillerson who was confirmed by the senate 56-43 on february 1. mr. tillerson spent his entire professional career at exxon mobil starting at the company in 1975 as a production engineer and rising through the ranks to eventually become chairman and ceo. >> they generally have a very clear plan that they have laid before them. in terms of when i make the statement, we are not unpredictable. if one is able to step back and understand what their long-term , and you see that
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they are going to chart a course, it is an understanding of how are they likely to carry that plan out? where are all of the elements of the plan that are on the table. in my view, the leadership of russia has a plan. it is a geographic plan that is in front of them. and are judging responses making the next step in the plan based upon the response. and in that regard, they are not unpredictable. anrussia does not receive adequate response to an action, they will execute the next step of the plan. >> russia, more than anything, wants to reestablish its role in the global world. they have of you the following the breakup of the soviet union,
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they were mistreated. deserve ave they rightful role because they are nuclear power. they are not in a position to assert that. we think that is now what we are witnessing, an assertion on their part. the steps being taken or simply to make a point. an important conversation, does
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russia want to now and forever be an adversary of the united states. does russia desire a different relationship? our value systems are starkly different. and we do not hold the same values. because of having spent so many years in russia, there is scope to define a different relationship that can bring down the temperature. these things do not spin out of control. move russia from being an adversary always to a partner at times. and in other issues we will be adversaries. not unlike my comments on china.
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at times, china is friendly and at times, china is an adversary. but with russia, engagement is necessary in order to define what is that relationship going to be? and you'll know how to chart our own plan of action to respond to that. >> in my mind, if i take a look at the spectrum of america's relationship with different nations, we have friends and allies. friendly rivals, unfriendly adversaries, and enemies. >> unfriendly to enemies. at this point, they are clearly in the unfriendly adversary category. i hope they do not move because it would imply even more direct conflict with one another. into the move him friendly rival category. maybe partners with mutual interest.
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in three categories, there are friends, partners, and adversaries. at times, friends or partners. adversaries from time to time can be partners. but on other issues, we are just not going to agree. so we remain adversaries. an adversary at the ideological level is one thing. and adversary at the conflict level, that is very different. >> i want to switch subjects a little bit. your private sector background, your relationship with putin is actually an asset coming to this position. i come from the private sector. i think that kind of perspective is sorely needed. i don't think we have enough people from the private sector. economic strength is inextricably linked to national strength. background.
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>> somewhere between 40 and 50. >> it's what you have done deals with. between 10 and 20. >> something asked to serve your nation. leading a life behind that i'm sure you valued. -- alle also fish
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selfish reasons. i had no reason to say no. , ayou have a responsibility fiduciary responsibility to exxon mobil. it your role is going to change. do you have any reservation? in you describe what your mindset is from making that transition? mr. tillerson: i have no reservations about my clean break with my private sector life. it was a wonderful 41.5 year career and imx ordinarily proud of it. now i am moving to a completely different responsibility. my love of country and my patriotism is going to dictate that i serve no one's interest but that of the american people in advancing our own national security. senator johnson: as you travel the world with the business mindset working at developing projects around the world, you're hearing from people
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around the world. former president carter in june of 2015 was commenting on president obama's foreign-policy. excerpts of his quotes. he can't think of many nations were we have a better now than we did when he took over, president obama. the influence and prestige is lower now than it was six or seven years ago. is that your general sense as you travel around the world during the last eight years? that our influence, prestige, respect is lower and that we have not developed better relationships around the world? mr. tillerson: i know i shared it with others in meetings. in many respects, i have spent the last 10 years on an unintended listening to her -- tour as i went about the world conducting affairs. of thesestate in many countries. and i listened to them express
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their frustrations, their fears, their concerns as to the withdrawal and the stepping back of america's leadership. the lack of that engagement. they are yearning and they want american leadership reasserted. when i met with the president-elect and we were meeting about his ultimately asking me to do this, i indicated to him, we have a tough hand of cards that you've been dealt. no use and whining or complaining are pointing fingers. we are going to play the hand out because america still holds all the aces. world wantund the our engagement. you will be pushing on an open door because people want america to come back. >> because you have worked in one sector throughout your career, getting a sense of your worldview is incredibly important since he will be the chief advocate and advisor to
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the president-elect on those issues. so i would like to go through a series of questions. a many can be answered by a simple yes or no. others will probably take greater and more extensive answers. do you believe the international order includes respecting the territorial integrity of sovereign countries and the invite ability of their borders? >> yes sir. >> did russia violate this order when it invaded ukraine? mr. tillerson: yes, it did. senator menendez: did a violate international laws? tillerson: i'm not sure which countries you are referring to. menendez: eastern
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ukraine, georgia, just to name a few. mr. tillerson: yes, sir. menendez: is the bombing campaign violating this international order? mr. tillerson: yes. that is not acceptable behavior. senator menendez: do these constitute war crimes? mr. tillerson: i don't have sufficient information to make that type of serious conclusion. it will require me to have additional -- >> do you understand what the standard is for war crimes? >> i do. >> noting what is always in the rome of public information, you cannot say if those actions constitute a war crime? mr. tillerson: i would not want to rely solely on what has been reported in the public realm. i would want confirmation from agencies that could present me with indisputable facts. menendez: i'm not taking
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your time. it will be added back. if you had sufficient evidence in looking at classified information that had taken place, would that not be a war crime? mr. tillerson: yes, sir. >> does the president-elect agree with you? mr. tillerson: we have not had the opportunity to discuss this specific issue. >> your statement on page three, his campaign, he opposed a commitment to advancing american interests and our foreign-policy. i hope to explain that this approach means and how to implement that policy if i am confirmed. there was discussion about with the worldview will be. >> the principles, i thought
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russia would be at the very top of that. mr. tillerson: that has not occurred yet, senator. >> you have met with world leaders including governor pruden and russia. in 2013, he ordered you with the order of friendship award. he said you had direct and personal access to the russian president over the course of your tenure there. in 2014, exxon mobil lobbied aggressively against sanctions on russia after their invasion of the ukraine. exxon lobbied against this which it lastuced in this and year. you implode well-known washington-based lobbyists to support these efforts and you personally benefited -- visited the white house and said you were engaged at the highest levels of government. became the in-house lobbyist for russia against these sanctions.
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are one of the most effective diplomatic tools in our arsenal. -- one that weon rely on buying engaging in traditional kinetic warfare. if sanctions are not a useful tool, have you changed your view? to return and interact. the sanctions were bad? wharton toit's them a knowledge that when sanctions are imposed, by design, they are going to harm american business. the engagement and whatever
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countries we have targeted for sanctions. >> i don't think it is disrupting american business. i think it is to disrupt the economies of those countries. american business may or may not be affected to some degree. mr. tillerson: the intent behind it is to disrupt that countries access to american business investment. technology, the financial sectors. fact, thely stating a fact is sanctions do impact american business interests. interestting america's , and this is were the president-elect would see the argument as well. sanctions are a powerful tool. let's design them well, target them well, and enforce them fully.
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extent we can, if we can have other countries join us or our -- or if we are designing them in concert. senator menendez: when you made your remarks, i will mention this for the record. you did not differentiate it that way. you may the broad case that sanctions are not an effective tool. i heard the response now. but in your opening statement, you said that america must commitment to foreign-policy and that we are of a global superpower with the means and moral compass capable of shaping the world for good. i totally agree with you in that respect. our efforts in leading the international community and sanctions against adversaries like iran and north korea are exactly that. leadership. and a moral compass. it's not about disadvantaging american businesses.
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it's about putting patriotism over profit. diplomacy is not the same as dealmaking. diplomacy requires getting countries to do things they may not always want to do. this is how we build an extensive sanctions network against iran. through legislation from congress and diplomatic pressure acrosscretaries of state two administrations, we could build the actions that ultimately crippled iran's economy. it you lobbied against the comprehensive iran sanctions and divestment act which i was the author of. mobil, you are the head of it. they want to eliminate sanctions to prevent joint ventures. this makes sense. , the unitedaged including iran,
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syria, and sudan. for the maneuver of the subsidiary, exxon mobil could not be dealing with it. exxon mobil is listed as a coalition member. an advocacy group that lobbies against sanctions. the group lobbied against sanctions. plan.joint competence of and thet as a history work he did in spring of 2011. after the united states government expressly did not want to -- it undermined the u.s. policy. what message are you going to be able to send.
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the expense of u.s. policies and potential political stability. how will you recalibrate your priorities of secretary of state. >> there is a lot of that question, senator. around which i could respond. i have never lobbied against sanctions personally. did.e company you directed neverllerson: exxon lobbied against sanctions, not to my knowledge. in terms of all the other were taken with a great deal of transparency. process.he american are invited to express their view and inform their process.
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my pivot now, if confirmed to be secretary of state will be to represent the interest of the american people. designing core sanctions and having the effect sanctions can .ave a worse effect it can be a weak response. it's important in designing sanctions that they are carefully crafted and carefully targeted with an intended effect and to the extent american leadership can broaden participation. the iran sanctions, because others joined them. trump's choice, james mattis was announced on december 1 and confirmed on january 20 by a vote of 98 to one. the qatari mattis served in the second -- military for more than
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40 years including three years as head of u.s. central command that oversees operations in the middle east and elsewhere. it's the first military officer to serve as defense the truman administration. the confirmation hearing includes questions from alaska republican dan sullivan and democrat gary peters. wax i want to turn to china. china's leaders have stated that they are not militarizing -- do you agree with them? wax i do not. his confirmation hearing, rex tillerson commented that we should prohibit access to the islands in the south china sea. prohibit access to the chinese. what, in your view, should our response to china's gen. mattis: we will have to put together a policy put together by the state department, treasury, dod. we will have to integrate this so we are not dealing with an
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incomplete or incoherent strategy. the bottom line is the international waters are international waters, we have to figure out how we deal with holding onto the rules we have made over the years that led to prosperity for many nations. not just ours. this has been part of way many nations have gotten more prosperous, because of this freedom of commerce. sen. sullivan: you have emphasized, i think rightfully so, our allies as a key strategic element of u.s. national security. what role should they be playing? gen. mattis: my view is that you always want more allies with you than fewer. i have never gone into any fight with an all-american formation. i have always fought alongside allies. also, i believe that allies can contribute greatly to deterrence, and modifying the
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misbehavior of those who would disrupt the global order. sen. sullivan: it's been said , by a number of us, that the u.s. has lost credibility internationally where our adversaries no longer fear us and our allies no longer trust us. perhaps the most glaring example of that is iranian actions in the persian gulf, harassing u.s. naval ships, taking sailors hostage. i want to finish with one question. how do we regain our credibility internationally? you are a historian. do you believe that the new administration will have its credibility challenged early in its tenure? gen. mattis: if confirmed, senator, i have took assume that our credibility will be challenged. that is simply part of the responsibility that i carry. i think the way that you
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maintain credibility is when you give your word on something you live up to it. you put together policies even if it is more difficult so that they are with us went policies -- when the policies come under pressure. sen. sullivan: is it dangerous when you're trying to regain credibility? gen. mattis: it is. sen. mccain: senator, your time has expired. whileyou can stop by refueling. it's a good place. senator peters. sen. peters: thank you. thank you, general mattis. i will join my colleagues in thanking you for your service. you have spent your entire life in service of country keeping us safe. we know the central purpose of government is to keep citizens safe at all times. you have done that with honor and integrity. thank you on behalf of a grateful nation.
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many of my colleagues have quoted from your book that you edited. i will follow suit. i want to elaborate on a passage that i think is interesting, and worthwhile for us to know about. how you will approach this job as a strategic thinker, providing advice to the president as well as congress. i will ask you to comment on this. "because the american public holds its military in such high regard, we are putting it at greater risk. we have allowed our strategic thinking to atrophy, allowing policymaking to become flabby. because the military's high level of performance has lulled our sensibilities. this is both a political failure and a moral one." if you could elaborate on moral failures, political failures, and how those of us involved in policymaking have become flabby. gen. mattis: it was certainly not meant in any personal sense.
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sen. peters: i understand that. [laughter] although, i do have to have my fitbit. that is true. gen. mattis: senator, it goes back to my belief that america has two fundamental powers. the power of intimidation. i was part of it. america will defend ourselves experimenta, the that we call america. that is all it is. an experiment in democracy. the other power that i think we have used less in recent years, the last 20 years, maybe, is the power of inspiration. i think the power of inspiration has to be employed just as strongly. because the u.s. military is devoted to being the top in the game in a competition where weond place is less place, should not simply be turning to
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the military because it is a capable military, because it is well led, it is a national treasure. i'm the first to admit that. it doesn't mean we should turn to the military to answer all of our concerns in the relation of the world. that's the source of where i was coming from for that statement. sen. peters: in terms of strategic thinking, and a student of history, you know as well as anyone else that we cannot fight the last war. throughout history, that seems to have repeated itself all too many times. we need to be thinking forward. in our meeting together, i was struck by a statement where you said that as a commander in the field, you benefited from decisions that were made 10 to 15 years before you put on the uniform. we are facing an unprecedented time of change. when we look at technology and how it is transforming our
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world, we are probably one of the most exciting times. the world we see today will be radically different in 10 years. weapon systems are likely to be considerably different. we see how cyber has changed political warfare. it has given leverage to political warfare in unprecedented ways. as evidenced by the russian attacks on our political system, and in their interference in the political system. we are seeing dual use technologies that will give enemies of low-cost yet very high impact weapon. also areas in artificial intelligence. we recently had a study that came out and said artificial intelligence may be one of our most important weapons to maintain a unique asymmetric advantage over adversaries. how do you plan to understand where we need to be 10 to 15
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years, and utilize the strategies and understand the threats much different? gen. mattis: you have to make sure you are not dominant and irrelevant at the same time. i believe the way do this is you get the strategy right. that starts with policies. you match the strategy, economic, diplomatic, covert, education, all of this. you map that to ensure you are relevant for the future. once you do that, you also adopt that in the paradox of war, the enemy always moves against your perceived weakness. you cannot opt out of certain things. bottom line, you get to the point where you have the fewest big regrets when the crisis strikes. you will never have no regrets. we are dealing with something that is so fundamentally unpredictable. but it also means you are going to have to enlist civilian communities that are leaders in
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some of these areas that you and senator warren have both talked about. artificial intelligence, and what the labs are doing, but and make sure we are harvesting those lessons learned, but more importantly that we are integrating them. notoes no good to mainstream what you learn from it. it is a matter of how you maintain current readiness. if you fight tomorrow, the young men and women must be at the top of their game, but for me, someone who is not even in the military yet, when looking 10 years back, what we did wrote the headlines that we want to read 10 years from now. announcer: c-span's profiles of the trump cabinet continues with homeland security secretary john kelly, whose nomination was announced on december 12. he was confirmed on january 20 with a vote of 88 to 11. secretary kelly spent 40 years with the marines, including three tours in iraq and the u.s.
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southern command. his son, first lieutenant robert kelly, was killed in combat, making secretary kelly the highest ranked officer to have a -- lose a child in iraq or afghanistan. here is part of his confirmation. >> in today's world, the department of homeland security, is much like a combat command, perhaps the most complex defending the nation and our people. among its diverse responsibilities are guarding us from terrorism, guarding the coasts, deciding who gets into the country, protecting transportation networks and infrastructure, defense against cyber attacks, and providing help when disaster strikes. i can think of more -- no one more qualified and familiar with these that are better prepared to lead homeland defense than john kelly. the department of homeland
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security is a complicated mix. multiple agencies and organizations with different cultures and histories. yet as commander of southern command, john kelly successfully manage relationships with seven different cabinet departments and more than 20 civilian organizations. leading in combat and command these days requires managing multiple domestic and foreign relationships, and general kelly did so with great skill and success. i'm confident he would do so as well as secretary of homeland security. in addition, as senior assistant to two secretaries of defense, he successfully led the most diverse organization in the country. he was invaluable in helping break down areas of cooperation efficienciesenior -- leaders accountable for efficiency and performance.
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the needs of the troops on the front lines were always of importance to him. of special importance to this committee, john kelly was twice assigned as marine corps liaison to congress. the second time as the commandant assistant. as a result he has a deep , understanding of the legislative process and the responsibility to congress and having a relationship of openness and trust. in terms of skills and experience, general kelly is, in my view, superbly qualified to serve as secretary. it is john's character and values that truly set him apart. to put it simply, he is one of the finest people i have ever known. i would trust him with my life. indeed, mainly -- many others mainly young marines, have done , so. how often is it that a commander genuinely is beloved by his troops? integrity in word and deed is the source of moral authority.
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it is moral authority that moves people to follow a leader even at the risk of harm and sacrifice. john kelly is a guy of great moral authority. if he is confirmed, professionals throughout the department of homeland security will realize that their new secretary cares about each and every one of them. he will do everything in his power to protect and support them, and to do everything they need to do their jobs, protecting us. i commend the president-elect for nominating general kelly, because as i know firsthand, john is a straight-talking, candid, courageous leader who will say exactly what he thinks. his values are a reflection of america's best values. he will not disappoint. over a military career spanning more than 40 years, john kelly and his family have sacrificed much, serving our country. yet, here he is, willing to serve again.
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it is with great pride that i introduce you to him today. thank you. general kelly mr. chairman, : ranking member mccaskill, distinguished senators of the committee, please accept my thanks for the nomination to lead for the united states department of homeland security. senators mccain, harper, secretary gates, thank you for taking the time to be here on my behalf and for your very kind words. my wife and family have already been introduced, but i will say again, my wife is here with me again today. she is my hero. she has put up with more in our 40 years of marriage than you can imagine. my daughter kathleen is here as well. and her recent husband, retired corporal jake fox, another american hero. i thank them for their service and sacrifice. over the past 45 years, i've been privileged to serve our country has both a marine and officer.
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i have led platoons through divisions, held senior command positions in iraq served on the , u.s. southern command and as a senior military assistant to two of my heroes. secretaries gates and panetta. i worked across interagency, with our allies, independent experts to identify solutions to current and emerging threats. ,hese assignments, while varies our common country of working within and leading large, complex, very diverse missions -- multi-mission organizations while under pressure to produce results. i'm humbled once again to be called to serve. this time with the wonderful men and women of the department of homeland security. as a nation, we are reminded almost daily that the threats to our homeland have not receded in any way. the challenges to our way of life have not diminished.
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as i solemnly swore when i entered the marine corps, i will faithfully support and defend the constitution of the united states from all enemies, foreign and domestic, every second of every day. i believe in america the principles on which our way of life are guaranteed. i believe and respect tolerance and diversity of opinion. of the law andnt will always strive to uphold it. i've never had a problem speaking truth to power and i believe that those in power deserve full candor and my honest assessment and recommendations. i also value people who work for me, people speaking truth to power. i love my country and i will do everything within my power to preserve our liberty, enforce our laws, and protect our citizens. i recognize the many challenges facing the department. should i be confirmed, i look forward to partnering with you to protect the homeland.
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i look forward to the future of the department and answering the committee's questions. thank you very much. sen. mccain: as you know, we pass legislation on the defense bill prohibiting torture, including waterboarding. do you intend to follow that law? gen. kelly: absolutely, senator. sen. mccain: what is your personal view of waterboarding and other forms of torture? gen. kelly: i do not think we should ever come close to crossing a line that is beyond what americans expect to follow in terms of interrogation techniques. sen. mccain: would that be basically the geneva conventions? gen. kelly: yes, sir. sen. mccain: there is an epidemic in this country, opioids. it is coming from mexico. regrettably, according to information i have, a lot of it is coming across the arizona-mexico border and being distributed nationwide.
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as you know, we are experiencing a dramatic increase in deaths from overdose. that is taking place among many older americans that have turned from oxycontin and other substances. in fact, a former governor of new hampshire will testify here of the really severe aspects of this. what many have called an epidemic. i am very interested in your views and taking into fundamental economics that if there is a demand, there is going to be a supply. what is your view of the situation, general? gen. kelly: i will start off by saying, it is amazing to me. i just found out recently that an old friend, who is not so
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old, 62 years old, just after a successful life, overdosed on heroin. to your point, it is cheaper and more available in many ways than some of the opioids, since she could not get a prescription for what she thought she needed. the point is that most americans don't realize it, but 100% of the heroin that we consume in the united states is produced in mexico. it is creeping down into central america. they have responded, the cartels and networks, have responded to the demand. asia,d of asia and south it is all produced here in the western hemisphere. poppies are grown as far south as guatemala. a little bit and colombia, although they are getting after it. it is all produced here. an awful lot of the opioids, what looks like pharmaceuticals, are produced in mexico and then
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pirated up -- through the border. part of the problem, i think, and this would be outside my particular area if confirmed, but part of the problem is we have an overly medicated society. huge amounts of opioids are prescribed legally for things that, in the past, would not receive that amount of medication. the point is, it is a huge problem to my getting worse. the profits are unbelievable to the cartels that control the marketing and transport. sen. mccain: there has been a great deal of conversation about building a wall. it has been my experience that we need to have barriers. but building a wall is not the way to prevent the flow of drugs or people illegally across the border. i think it requires ranging from drones, to towers, to use of some of the technological
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advantages that we have. if you would briefly tell us what you think is necessary to have a secure border? gen. kelly: a physical barrier in and of itself, certainly as a military person that understands defense, a physical barrier will not do the job. it has to be a layered defense. if you were to build walls from the pacific to mexico, you would still have to back it up with controlling by human beings sensors and observation devices. , as i have said to many of the senators present, and as i have said for three years, i believe that the fence of the southwest border starts about miles south. 1500 as far south as peru.
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with us inooperated terms of getting after the drug production and transport, very good with us. to include mexico we could have , better partnerships, we could give them more of what they need. please certainly share and tell with them now. we have legal attaches with them , many of the end -- embassies. they have developed unbelievable amounts of -- sen. mccain: i don't mean to interrupt, but isn't it technology that would help us to secure the border as much as anything else? i'm talking about surveillance, capabilities to intercept, but not just sit there. in other words, frankly, the border security that we see in israel. gen. kelly: technology would be a big part of it. sen. mccain: that technology, would it be drones? gen. kelly: observation devices mounted in certain terrains, uav's, for sure.
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sensors in places where the wall cannot be built, or won't be built anytime soon. yes, sir. >> kansas republican congressman mike pompeo was chosen to lead me this cia on november 18, and confirmed with a vote of 66 to 32. he served in the house for three terms representing kansas's , fourth district. during his time in congress, he was a member of the intelligence committee. director pompeo previously served in the army with his last tour taking place during the first gulf war. here is a portion of his confirmation hearing beginning with opening remarks. >> chairman burr, vice chairman, senators, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today. i want to thank the staff of this committee for your time in this nomination process.
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-- your kindness and attention in this nomination process. i would like to thank president trump for nominating me. it is an honor to be selected. i look forward to working with senator kos, the nominee for the director of national intelligence, and supporting him in his critical role should we both be confirmed. i also want to thank director and directorennan clapper for their many years of selfless service and determination. i'm grateful to the people of the fourth district of kansas, who have trusted me for the past six years, to represent them in the house of representatives. it has been a true honor. finally, i want to thank my wife susan, and my son nicholas, each of whom i love dearly. the two of you have been so selfless and allowing me to return to public service, first as a member of congress, and now working with warriors who keep america safe. i cannot tell you how much it
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means for me to be with you today. having been a member of the select committee on intelligence, i understand full well that if confirmed, my job will be to change rules, from centrality of policymaking to intelligence. the director must stay on the side of collecting intelligence, including for this committee. i spent the majority of by life outside of politics, first as an army officer then a litigator, and then running to -- two manufacturing businesses in kansas. returning to duty that includes hard work is in my bones. i would like to sketch some of the challenges i see facing the united states, address trends in intelligence that i see in the role of addressing those. this is the most complicated threat environment that the united states has seen in recent memory. isis remains a brazilian movement. they still control major urban centers in the mid-middle east. we must make sure they cannot
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expand their resource letter more info and -- innocent people. the conflict in syria is one of the worst humanitarian catastrophes of the 21st century. it has led to the rise of sectarianism as well as further created instability throughout the region, europe, and throughout the world. iran, the world's largest state sponsor of terror. has become an even more bold and and disruptive player in the middle east. russia has reasserted itself aggressively invading and occupying ukraine, threatening europe, and doing nothing to aid in the destruction and defeat of isis. as china flexes its muscles, its activities in the south and east china sea and cyberspace are now pushing new boundaries in creating real tension. north korea has dangerously accelerated its nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities. we rely on intelligence around the globe to prevent strategic
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and tactical surprise. intelligence helps to make the other elements of national power including against terrorist financiers and other criminals. foreign governments and liaison services are vital in preventing attacks and providing crucial intelligence. it is important that we all appreciate the foreign partners to stand with us and make sure we had the intelligence we need to keep america safe. if confirmed, i will advocate for a stronger and vibrant intelligence community, and for cia's centrality in that community. there are at least four long-term tens that make intelligence panel. first, the intelligence can -- -- panel finds itself a victim of budget concerns. that can weaken the fabric of the intelligence community. second, with the proliferation of biological weapons and ballistic missiles, countries such as north korea overcome low barriers of entry to engage in cyber operations. united states must continue to
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ask wisely to maintain a decisive advantage. third, the effects of dislocation and poor governance present critical challenges, but also new targets and opportunities for the cia's collection and analysis. family, the insider threat problem has grown exponentially in the digital age. the greatest threats to america have always been the cia's top priorities. it will be our mission to ensure the agency remains the best in the world at its core mission, collecting what our enemies do not want us to know. in short the cia must be the , world's premier espionage organization. one emerging area for increased focus is the cyber domain. for sophisticated adversaries like china and russia, and less sophisticated like iran and north korea, terrorist groups, criminals and hackers, are taking advantage of the new borderless environment. the cia must continue to be at
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the forefront of this issue. as the president-elect has made clear, one of my top priorities is to assist in the defeat of isis. we must maintain an aggressive counterterrorism posture and adjust manifestations of this threat beyond isis and al qaeda. with respect to iran, we must be objective in assessing the progress made under the joint competence of plan of action. while i oppose the iran deal as a member of congress, if confirmed, my role will change. i will be the agency to aggressively pursue collection and and sure analysts have time, space, and resources to make objective and sound judgments. it will be essential that the agency provide policymakers with accurate and robust intelligence and complete intelligence, and clear eyed analysis of russian activities to the greatest extent feasible. houseember of the intelligence lenny, i appreciate the need for transparency and support from members of congress. i have lived it.
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to our constituents to get in the bottom of intelligence failures, but we owe it to the brave intelligence community not to shirk our responsibility when unauthorized exposures reveal activities. or, when edward snowden misleads the american people about intelligence activities. on my first visit to cia headquarters, i visited an analytical targeting cell. some of you have probably done this as well. i saw a woman who appeared as though she had not slept for weeks. she was pouring over data on her computer screen. i asked her what she was working on. she said she was hours away from solving a riddle to locate a particularly bad character that she had been pursuing for months. she had her mission. its completion would make america safer. she was a true patriot. in the past few years, i've come to know there are countless men and women just like her working to crush our adversaries. this past weekend, i took a
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moment to visit arlington national cemetery. i have done this several times, but on this visit, i paid special attention to the markers that commemorate cia officers who have perished ensuring our , freedom. in so many places most americans will never know, agencies put themselves and their lives at risk. we know the sacrifices of the families of each of these officers. those families sacrifice greatly as well. as i walked among these heroes, i was reminded of the sacred trust that would be granted to me if i am confirmed. i will never fail it. >> congressman, i have been critical of the tenor of some of the president elect's comments the aic. workforce and in your opening statement, you were eloquent about being without sleepeing
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for some time. in light of some of those comments, i have concerns about morale, particularly at the cia at this point. what plan do you have to go in and be sure people working for the cia? how do we ensure that we are working in a world where there's increasingly challenging to ensure retention, you will reaffirm you will have cia agent's backs? >> i'm confident that the cia will play a role for this administration, and has for every previous administration is intelligence.rful i'm confident that president-elect trump will not only accept that but demand that throughout all the 17 intelligence communities. with respect to me personally, i've come to understand the value of the central intelligence agency. i have seen the morale through tough times when you have been challenged before.
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i have watched them walk through fire to make sure they did their jobs in a professional way, and they always were aimed at getting the truth in depth and in a robust way to policymakers. i have confidence that they will continue to do that under my leadership, if i'm confirmed. >> i think it will be an ongoing challenge. you thermed, i wish best and i think it is critically important. i see many of the cia employees with the opportunity to represent them. they work in this region. it has been a challenging time for them. i also want to get to light of some of the comments that the president-elect made. i think a subset of that is, making sure going forward, the cia represents the diversity of the world, as far as muslim americans being engaged how do , we reassure them in the light of comments being made? how would you go forward to make
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sure muslim allies in our fight against isil, they will continue to have a strong partner in the united states? not one that will in any way discriminate based on faith? >> it is absolutely imperative. we have a workforce that is incredibly diverse. needhieve the mission, we people from a broad background set and language skills that represent all caps of the world so we can perform intelligence operations properly. we have partners in the muslim world that provide us intelligence and that we share in ways that are incredibly important to making america safe. i am counting on, and i know you all are as well, that these liaison partnerships will continue to be additive to american national security. you have my commitment that our workforce will continue to be diverse. i hope we can expand a further so we can perform our incredibly important collections operations
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around the world. >> nikki haley was announced as for yout trump's take and ambassador and was confirmed by a vote of 96-4. the daughter of indian immigrants she served in the , south carolina house before going on to being governor. she's the first woman to hold the post in south carolina, and just the second indian american to win the governorship in u.s. this portion of the hearing features questions from cory gardner and chris murphy. >> last week we had an opportunity to hear from rex tillerson to talk about the importance of u.s. global leadership. we had a great interaction about the need for the u.s. to share our values around the globe. no one else will do it. he does what security, liberty, prosperity and the great need to share those values. and in his words, we are the
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only country to protect those values with authority. in 1950, in the observance of the fifth anniversary of the creation of the united nations, president truman stated that the united nations represents the idea of universal morality superior to the interest of individual nations. its foundation does not rest upon power or privilege, it rests on faith. on the belief that men and women in every land hold the same ideals and strive for the same goals of justice. this faith is hell-bent people of the u.s. and i believe, by the peoples of all other countries. it seems like we had the u.n. today is far from the vision that president truman outline. it is this idea of faith of men and human values. apparently in russia, that faith is illegal annexation of crimea. in north korea, a means torturing people and putting them in concentration camps. the human values and iran means
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the leading sponsor of terrorism around the globe. the united nations recently, as we have talked about here, the passage of resolution 2334, i courage you to watch the video. the reaction of the security council after the u.s. abstained from our leadership. raucous applause broke out in the security council. contrast that with the passage of resolution 2270, the passage of sanctions against north korea, with hundreds of thousands of people in concentration camps, killing its own people, starving its own people, and there was silence. the world apparently applauds mainly attack our ally but sits , by silently when we condemn dictators. so, to you, governor haley, how does the united states continue to project our values in the absence in the last eight years to assure we will be working with the ideas rex tillerson
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laid out on prosperity and liberty? >> so much of this goes back to the fact that the world has seen us gray. they have not seen a black of -- black-and-white of where we stand and don't stand. we need to stand and stand strong. the world wants to see a strong america. that is what they are used to. that has faded. it had the ultimate low with resolution 2334. it shows we won't even stand with our allies, and it's a sad day in america and a sad day for us in the world. i do think that what we will now do is show our strength, not be afraid to stand up. when we decide to make an action, we will follow through with it, and we will make sure that is known. i don't think we will be shy about the values of america and about what we are trying to achieve in bringing peace to the world. we have to be loud and strong about that. i intend to do that. >> thank you, governor haley. when we talk about the
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importance of projecting that straight and leadership, i want to talk a little bit about alliances. organizations and alliances such as nato matter, matter greatly. is it your commitment to strengthen our global alliances, alliances like nato through the , work that you carry out at the united nations? >> absolutely. we need as many allies as we can get. at this point, it is a numbers game. it is about addition. sanctions just by the u.s. do not work. sanctions, when we combine and work with alliances, that makes progress. so much of what i look forward to doing is not just expressing the ideals of the united states and where we stand and the agreements and disagreements that we have, it is also building coalitions so that we look so strong, everyone wants to be our ally. >> when it comes to calling out the united nations in public forums, when a dictator is corrupt, when a dictator abuses
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human rights, we will call it as we see it. you will not be afraid to do that? gov. haley: you should ask the people of my general assembly in south carolina. i have no problem calling people out. >> very good. thank you. senator menendez and i worked on the passage of sanctions, the first stand-alone piece of legislation on north korea's signed into law, mandated sanctions on north korea's ability to proliferate weapons. mandatory sanctions required to be put in place. in 2016, the obama ministration led and helped lead those sanctions through addressing north korea. have we effectively enforced the sanctions on north korea? have we made sure they are effective, as well as the 2270 sanctions, have they been effectively enforced?
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gov. haley: sanctions are only as good as you enforce them. clearly there is more to do in , north korea. when a line is crossed, to not say anything is going to be a problem. i think north korea is definitely one to watch. i think we will have to work closely with china to show the threat of what is happening. we cannot let up on north korea. what we're seeing now is production of nuclear weapons. he does not care. he is going to continue to do it. we have continue to make sure we are making our voices loud, we're talking about north korea , and continue to put the pressure on china and other countries to make sure north korea does slow down. >> what should we do in china to make them more active in their ability to denuclearize north korea? gov. haley: i think that north korea has started to do that themselves, because china is now nervous. china has already started to pull back economically. china is the greatest threat to north korea, and they know that.
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what we have to do is let china now, this affects china. this affects their region in the world. this affects us. not talk about it from our results and what it will do to the united states, talk about in terms of china and encourage them to say, you can make a difference here and push them into this direction. >> thank you for your history of speaking truth to power. i enjoyed the time we spent together discussing some of the issues you will face. i appreciate you being before the committee. i say this respectfully. i feel like the hearings we have had, this hearing and the hearing on secretary of state nominee tillerson have occurred in an alternate universe. i hear loud and clear what you are saying about needing for the u.s. to be clear about where we stand and strong in our values. i think mr. tillerson uses the
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same phrasing over and over again. i think we would all agree that those should be goals of u.s. foreign-policy. but president-elect trump has downplayed russian attempts to influence our election, he has suggested that nato is obsolete. he has openly rooted for the breakup of the european union . he has lavished praise on fiber -- vladimir putin, and refused to continue sanctions. he has criticized one of our most important allies in the world, chancellor merkel. he has promised to bring back torture, and he has called for japan and south korea to take a look at obtaining nuclear weapons because they probably cannot rely on our security guarantee any longer. i hear what you are saying. but can you understand why, right now, the world perceives the trump administration's foreign policy to be the exact opposite of clear about where we stand and strong in our values?
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i hear what you are saying, but can you understand why the world perceives the foreign policy to be the exact opposite of what you are articulating in maybe? i understand before a new administration, there's always nervous as -- nervousness and concern. it happened with president obama and before that. that is something that is natural. it is natural for the world to watch the united states. it's also natural for a candidate and incoming candidate to look at everything and say things. once you govern, things are very different. what we have seen is once the president-elect gets to hear from his national security team, i think what he said after that will be most important. i think those are the focus as we will have with the national security council and making sure we educate, inform him of what we know, of strategies, and go along with whatever decision he decides to make.
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>> i heard a version of this in your answer to senator shaheen. you believe that after two years of suggesting radical changes regarding u.s. policy about conveying really muddled messages about where we stand, that will all change after friday? gov. haley: not all of it will change after friday. what i know is i will control the part that i can. but i can control is the u.n. use the power off my place in the u.n. to talk about america's ideals, values, strengths and freedoms. i will talk to the president-elect about this u.n. and the opportunity for strategy in dealing with russia, china, north korea, and syria going forward. i think we will have a lot of opportunities to make that better. i do think that my counterparts as well are going to inform the president-elect of what they are seeing. that is how an administration works. you surround yourself with people who do not just say yes
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to what you think. they challenge you and tell you of other opinions. what i know about the president-elect is he will listen. >> let me ask about the future of the u.n. you have a lot of democrats in south carolina that don't get what they want all the time from the state legislature and the governor. advise democrats in the state legislature in south carolina to boycott the state legislature is they don't get what they want, or for registered democrats to stop paying taxes if they don't get what they want from the state government? gov. haley: we have laws in place, so they can't just stop paying taxes, or they will deal with that. legislators have been known to do whatever they want. as governor, i have seen that happen. it is two totally different things. >> you understand why i am making the point.
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the reason that we invest in the u.s. is not because we expect to win every fight or have our views prevail, but we think it is important to have a deliberative body in which differences can be expressed out in the open rather than always do with behind closed doors. the risk of pulling funding is -- because the u.s. doesn't get its way, is potentially catastrophic. the u.n. provides food for 90 million people in 80 countries around the world. it fascinates 40% of the world's -- vaccinate 40% of the world's children. it assists 55 million refugees and provides maternal health care to 30 million vulnerable women. i guess my question is you are's suggesting we should funding from the united nations if we do not win votes in the general a ssembly. gov. haley: i have never said that, sir. if that's the way you took it, that's not what i intended to say. i do not think we need to pull money from the u.n.
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we don't believe in flash and burn. it was not anything i considered as governor, i would consider as ambassador, or anything i would suggest to you for congress. what i think is important is we look at every organization, see if it is working press, if it is something to be a part of, and i report back to you and the president-elect. i know he made comments about the u.n., but those are not my feelings and not what i think will happen. >> i really thank you for that answer. i think it is an important answer. i want to ask you to maybe make the answer a little clear. so you don't believe we should be threatening to pull funds based on outcomes in the us of youhe general assembly that don't agree with? you would pull funds if you do not think programs are effective, but not to pull funds because we don't get the outcome we want from the deliberative process? gov. haley: right. my job is to make sure we get
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the outcomes we want and negotiate him -- with leaders to do that. if for example we seek in the human rights council that cuba is there, and we don't see the human rights movement away american dollies are supposed to, i will come back to you and say it's a problem. this doesn't follow our mission. i might go there and find out there's a way to resolve that. with those, i come back to you, but i don't think we should have a a slash and burn of the u.n. >> i would just note that since rejoining the human rights council -- we were out of it once we7, 2 2009 -- rejoined, special sessions on israel dropped 20% and , so engagement in these forms matter. gov. haley: i look forward to looking into that. thank you. electjanuary 5, president donald trump announced his nominee for director of national intelligence.
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he was confirmed on march 15 by a vote of 85-12. he served twice in the senate and was a member of the intelligence and armed services committee. he also served as ambassador to germany. here is his opening statement in late february. : while i am no longer retiring from public service, what i am retiring as i , sit here today, is my policy hat. years as adly for made judgments, cast votes in committee and on the floor. that hat will be retired. if confirmed, i will put on a new hat. as this government transitions to a new leadership, i hope to transition to the role of principal intelligence adviser to the president and all the duties that come with it. in this new role, it would be my
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responsibility to present the president, senior policymakers throughout the administration, and you, the congress, with the and most objective, nonpolitical, and timely intelligence as you consider policies in the future for our great nation. he president and i have personally discussed my potential role as his principal intelligence advisor, and we both recognize that this position is frequently the bearer of unpleasant news. but if confirmed, my responsibility would be to provide him with the most accurate and objective and apolitical intelligence as possible. in my various conversations with many of you prior to this hearing, i was asked how i see the larger role of the dni. those who know me, and i will reference this i am an avid , sports fan, and never more than this type -- past year as i
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witnessed the seemingly success of the chicago cubs. allow me to compare my role as dni as not a baseball analogy, but a football analogy. on a football team, the players are guided by a variety of coaches. you can see them standing along the sidelines. one time i counted and i thought there were 17. i thought it meant something relative to the number of agencies we look after. there's a coach for offense, defense, special teams, offensive line, defensive line, the quarterback, on and on. but every team has a head coach. that leader who walks the sidelines, and while not dictating to each coach how to do their specific job, kohl's each of these specialists together to form a seamless and special team. i see the director of national intelligence as the head coach role in the intelligence community.
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integrating the icy and leveraging all the expertise in the community. -- ad immense talent in talent resident in many agencies across the ic. each presents a number of capabilities or expertise that is necessary for the team to be, as a whole, successful. unique access of our human intelligence sources and the detailed analysis from the central intelligence agency, the important input from the defense intelligence agency, the signals intelligence expertise of the national security agency, which i believe is second to none. the geospatial mastery demonstrated by the national geospatial intelligence agency, the acquisition proficiency of our satellite specialist at the national reconnaissance office the domestic counterterrorism and by theintelligence federal bureau of investigation, and the specialized skills of
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the elements resident within the departments of state, justice, homeland security, and energy. like a head coach, i see it as my job to pull all of these team members together under the same game plan to produce the best coordinated and integrated intelligence that we can find. to make the whole greater than the sum of the parts. given the complicated threat environment we face today in this country and around the world now more than ever, the ic , must work as a team. the threats we face today are more challenging and diffuse than ever before. allow me to address, in no particular order what i see as , the most challenging issues we currently face. i could spend a lot of time on this. i will abbreviate and talk about just a few. clearly the rising cyber threat must be highlighted. cyberspace is both a resource and liability an increasingly , connected world that creates
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tremendous opportunities, but also many vulnerabilities. not unrelated, i would highlight the threat of radical islamic terrorism, which continues to be a significant threat for the united states and its allies abroad. they are spreading the message of fear and hate through cyberspace and mobilizing to venues beyond their self-described caliphate. china's continued regional activism, including its disputed territorial claims in the east and south china seas, is troubling and will be a long-term challenge for the united states. russia's assertiveness in global affairs is something i look upon with grave concern, which we need to address with eyes wide open and a healthy degree of skepticism. north korea's nuclear ambitions and quite frankly publications provocations are something that the intelligence community needs to be laser focused on. the list continues with a diverse set of challenges, including those in iran, syria, and other hotspots around the
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world. in order to address these threats, i will bring my years of experience on how to execute on a plan and bring together teams of people towards a common goal. as the ambassador to germany from 2001 to 2005, i oversaw the activity of more than a dozen federal agencies at the american embassy. i trust my experiences coordinating and integrating that many different departments and agencies, overseeing their activities, leveraging their strengths, and bringing them together under a single strategy will serve me well. as a member of congress and both the house and senate, i have always had a keen interest in ensuring we are responsible stewards of taxpayer dollars. in evaluating federal programs i always made a point to ask questions about what works, what doesn't, and why. i also believed it was important to assess how we establish priorities. we must ask ourselves, in a time of titan budgets, what programs
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are truly essential and which may no longer be necessary, partly necessary, or lower priority? how does each program support our overall goal or strategy? is it duplicative of another effort? i will be looking to ask the ic these and many more questions, if confirmed as dni. in the vein of efficiency, there has been much discussion about this the role of the dni. let me share with you what i have learned in preparation for this opportunity. over the past 12 years since its inception, it has been tasked with a variety of responsibilities. in statute many in statue, , and executive orders and presidential memorandums, along with recommendations from the 9/11 commission and the wmd.erman robb commission the people supporting these
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directives are hard-working folks from all across the ic. i have noted some of their workforce is on rotation from other ic agencies. as you know, nctc, an organization of 750 people created by the crypto law enacted in 2005, is counted and in that number that we have, which is less than a third of the members for the armed. that may put it in some perspective. odni was made to counter the pre-9/11 stove piping by ensuring collaboration and integration across the intelligence elements. people supporting these are hard-working folks from all over the ic. odni brings talent from the community to integrate intelligence. it does its best to connect the dots. not just a specific dots from specific agencies and
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specialties. in keeping with my earlier football analogy, you cannot play a complete game with just a star quarterback and wide receiver. maybe if you are the new york patriots you can pull that off , once in a while. even the pats need a stout line, stout defense, agile special teams, talented placekicker along with many , other players to be the best in the business. not every player on a football team will be in m.v.p., but they are a team nonetheless, and everyone on the field plays a critical role. succeed wee ic , succeed as a team. if we come up short, we fail as a team. we use that experience to address it so it doesn't happen again. as i looked at the many requirements of the office reflected in various laws, orders, and recommendations, and recommendations, have been impressed by the office's
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responsiveness to these many tasks within the reasonable resources they have. recent commentary on the size of the odni does not mesh with what i have seen firsthand and does a disservice to this committee in your efforts to keep the size of odni in check, which is your obligation and mine. that said, as i discussed earlier, i believe every government agency must constantly review its operations. i will be taking a look at not only the office of the odni but the entire ic and try to learn how we can do things more efficiently and effectively. we do not have a choice. >> we don't have a choice. publiclybeen made about the role of our intelligence enterprise and how it will fare in the future. what i see.ed by with the leadership team in place at the i.c. agencies, i community will continue as the world class intelligence enterprise it is today. >> rick perry was announced as president trump's choice to lead the energy department on 14.mber he was confirmed on march 2 by a vote of 62-37.
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beginning his career as a democrat, secretary perry 1989, and heies in served as texas agriculture commissioner and lieutenant governor. went on to become the longest-serving good afternoon in state -- governor in state history. he also ran for president in 2012 and 2016. his januarytion of confirmation hearing. dealhave learned a great about the important work being done every day by the and women of the department of energy. times to theeveral the operation. i've spoken to his predecessors. my desire ismed, to lead this agency in a thoughtful manner, surrounding the expertise on the core functions of the
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department. my past statements about abolishing the department of energy do not reflect any current thinking. regreteing briefed, i recommending its elimination. will enter this role excited and passionate advancingcating and d.o.e., missions of the drawing greater attention to the agency.le played by the second, let me speak to the of climate change. i believe the climate is changing. it iseve some of naturally occurring, but some of manmadeused by activity. the question is how we address that a thoughtful way, doesn't compromise economic growth. the affordability of energy or american jobs. oftexas, we've got a record
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taking action to address environmental challenges, including climate change. despite this fast-growing population -- and i might add, largest petro chemical refining industries in saw our climate and our air improve during that period of time. reduced carbon output by 70%, nitrogen oxide by 66%. 137 of theseoned older, dirty burning plants that mean -- we did it by move tosen tif incentives to clean technology, such as clean and and carbon capture underground choarnlg. in houston, there's a new plant be opened using carbon capture sequestration.
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into wells for secondary and tertiary recovery operation. place toa law into retrofit some 15,000 engines emissionstexas reduction plan. forwe provided incentives energy efficiencies. our willingness to develop gas have helped not only reduce its carbon footprint but other states and as well. advocated an "all of the above" strategy, reducing not justissions through development of cleaner fossil fuels but through the development of renewable well.ces as during my time as governor, texas took the national lead in development. now it produces more wind, as senator corrin reminded you of, than seven countries -- excuse me -- five countries. it comes to climate change,
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i'm committed to making sound scienced on that also takes into account the economic impact. an energy policy for the 21st century that is focused on promoting energy in all forms. i am committed to working with incomingittee and the administration to do just that. is an historic time for america and for the sector. and i would be honored to be a part of that. thank you. >> appreciating your opening statement, you talked about all energyferent types of produced in texas, because we need an "all of the above" energy policy for our country. we need one that is focused on empowering states rather than a all.al one size fits i know that you understand that. i also appreciate the fact that only are youp not a leader in texas, producing fossil fuels like oil and gas
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but you're also a leader in renewable energy. actually, we produce a million barrels of oil a day. we're second only to texas in all production. but we also produce wind and renewables. other you talked about that. and i want to commend you on that. and i want to bring up something we talked about when you came in to see me. is that technology really is the way forward, as we develop all these sources of to produce more energy, more cost effectively ad more dependably, but also better environmental stewardship. petrol.ed about where we takeect coal, same coal you work with in syntheticproduce natural gas, with that coal. the co2 and we put it in the oil fields for secondary oil recovery. that.t to do more of
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i know you understand that, and that's why i've asked you to dakota to see our systems. projects to capture co2 .n both the front end, to retrofittundra, plants as well. we need you to come out there and help us continue to develop and commercialize that technology. and i'm asking you for your that, becausedo it's something that doesn't just benefit our states. it benefits our country. that, as other countries develop this technology, it really is a type of collusion. yourlk about that and commitment to help make that happen. >> senator, thank you. you do have any commitment to not only continue to work on those technologies to be commercialized, and i will come home state at the first moment.
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i think i'm going to be spending a lot of time traveling to your states over the course of the next -- >> how about west virginia? any chance you'll be going to west virginia? wondering. >> i think west virginia thought was an honorary citizen for a over the past few years. i've been to morgantown lots of times. your salient point, senator. big believer that one of ae reasons that we have responsibility to fund our basic research, and a lot of times we don't know what the outcome of be. is going to we hope we know how it's gonna turn out. senator rice, it may be a generation down the road on research. but with our applied research, idea aboutot better
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how it reaches fruition, how it commercialized. i saw that as the governor of create a helped fund -- and, again, i don't get confused about the difference between federal government and state government. both stronge supporters of federalism. but my life's experiences are to affect the way that i operate as the secretary of if i am confirmed. be one of those happens to about investing in the technology that can be commercialized to improve people's quality of life. one of the things that senator and i talked about in his office was, you know, and i andhope that he a host of other individuals can together with technology that came out of the department of energy that we're
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sell to the chinese to inrt making the environment china better. i mean, that's the potential that's there. my home state and your home virtually changed in withe-changing way hydraulic fracturing. had its technology genesis at the department of energy. so the concept of using that onncy, whether it's cybersecurity, whether it's on the naturaluse resources that we have, and the that, i mean, one of the things that i bring to is my 14 years of managing that 12th largest economy in the from the standpoint of efficiently and effectively
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putting programs into place and of that action, and that's my commitment, senator, is that on a daily basis, i will have men and women who i trust, who have the expertise, and have the authority to be able to implement these programs that can affect the citizens not just of your state but hopefully the citizens of this world. >> governor, as you know, two-thirds of the department of energy budget is dedicated weaponsur nuclear program. now, the united states already formidableld's most nuclear arsenal. we currently maintain 4,000 nuclear weapons. a number that is much bigger maintain an to effective deterrent. and yet we are on track to spend a trillion dollars over the next three decades to
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sustain, replace and refurnish delivery systems, warheads and supporting infrastructure. this plan was launched in a i canent budget era and tell you that numerous, very national security experts believe this investment will significantly hamper the states to the united respond to conventional and threats we may face. if you are confirmed, would you altering the pace and scope of the current plans if it is clear that significant taxpayer savings can be achieved while meeting the current deterrent requirements? >> senator, i will address your imarks by saying that i am -- understand my role as being the theetary of energy, being manager of that agency.
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from my perspective, the issues that you bring forward, which us togitimate issues for talk about as a country, but in your per view. and -- purview and the congress making the decisions, i would theest, relative to numbers, partly by the funding you.m and what have the will be following statutes and the laws that the united states congress put into those issues. to >> well, you may have influence alerts debate so let me you to this. these are weapons that we're know,going to use, you and a trillion dollars over 30 years. >> yes, sir. real money. >> yeah. >> c-span special program cabinet ofhe
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president trump continues with director mikedget mulvaney. he was confirmed on february 16. served threeaney times in the house as a republican, representing south carolina's fifth district and of the republican study committee, the freedom tea party caucus. mr. mulvaney previously served as a south carolina state representative. this portion of his confirmation hearing includes his opening fromment and questions vermont senator bernie sanders. the truth about budget matters, as do the american people and the president. director'se omb responsibility to tell you, and the president's, the truth, even from time to time when that to hear.hard one truth is this. for the first time in america's the next generation could be less prosperous than the previous. i know that is unacceptable to every single person in this room, as it is to me. the economy around.
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we can turn the country around. but it's going to take difficult order to today in avoid nearly impossible decisions tomorrow. hasgross national debt increased almost $20 million. that is a number so large as to defy description. i choose to look at it through the ordinary american family. if you were an ordinary american family, the equivalent to you of a $20 trillion debt is a credit $260,000.of american families know what that would mean to them. and it's time this government it means to us. i believe as a matter of principle, the debt is a problem that must be addressed sooner rather than later. i also know that fundamental changes are necessary in the way spends.on and taxes, if we truly want to help the economy. changing ourlude government's long fiscal path which is unsustainable. a hard look atng government waste and ending it. american taxpayers deserve a
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is efficient,t effective and accountable. they earn their money honestly and they deserve a government that spends it in the same fashion. fixing the economy doesn't mean shade.king a green eye our country is more than just numbers. a strong, healthy economy also of ourus to take care most vulnerable. onmother-in-law relied social security in her retirement. she relied on medicaid to help her before she -- medicare before she died of cancer. to havei were happy that safety net there for her. pam and i would also like that for heret to be there grandchildren. our triplets. all that being said, i know many of the members of this committee will want to know my positions omb director. i do not presume to know about decisions i might make, much decisions the president might make after consulting with his cabinet as advisors. what i believe,
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however. and i look forward to discussing whatever topics you consider relevant today. haven't exactly been a shy member of congress in my six years here and i don't expect to today or, as director toomb, if you see fit confirm me. i recognize that good public service, whether that's in the legislature, the house, the senate, takes both courage and wisdom. thecourage to lead and wisdom to listen. i have learned in my time in have aton that i do not monopoly on good ideas. facts and the cogent arguments matter.s my commitment to you today takes a fact-based approach and to various ideas on how to get our financial house in order. >> congressman, my friends in house, have said that you are honest and a straight shooter. i think that's how you have presented yourself today. i appreciate that. >> thank you, senator. you a me ask philosophical question. pointed, youif
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will be a key advisor to the president. mentioned earlier, the president made a cornstone of his belief that social security, medicaid and medicare should not be cut in any way. said it over and over again. election he won the based on that promise. you disagree with him. that's certainly your right. you believe we should raise the retirement age. you have voted over and over again to cut social security in one way or another. when you talk to the president security, medicare and medicaid, do you tell the president it is more important that he keep faith with democracy, keep faith with what people, or american should he acknowledge that he lied and then change his views and cut social security? >> senator, i have no reason to president hashe changed his mind from the statements he made during the
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comain. campaign. as we've talked about here today, though, my job is to do what you just said in your kind introduction, which is to be completely and brutally him.t with >> do you believe, then, that the president will keep his word security,t social medicare and medicaid? for have no basis right now telling you what the president of the united states is thinking. i know what i want to do, which is -- >> but my question was, and it's an interesting question, because on do advise the president budget. but there's a deeper sense. you know and i know and here knows, no matter what our politics may be, there's a lot of disgust with in america today. people run for office. they say one thing. get elected. they do something else. would you tell the president that it is more important to faith withrd, keep the american people, or do what you think is better policy? question. >> it's a fair question, senator. i think you're probably asking the wrong person. ofon't think it's the role
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the director of the office of the management budget to advise the president on that. would be to advise him on the financial and economic ramifications of the decisions makes. >> i think close advisors to the president will advise him on many things. we've talked a lot today about the deficit and the debt, important issues. ist we haven't talked about the grotesque level of income and wealth inequality in america. 1985 to 2013, there has been a massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to the top 1/10 of 1%. okay? my question is, when we talk about the budget, we have multi-billionaires like donald trump who proudly tell the has not paidle he a nickel in federal taxes. and yet we have people talking about cutting social security, medicare and medicaid. is morehink it
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important that we tell billionaires like president tell and others that we large multinational corporations like general electric and given year dida not pay a nickel in federal taxes, because they harbor their in the cayman islands and elsewhere? do you think it's more important and powerfulich that maybe they should start paying their fair share of taxes we cut social security, medicaid and medicare or the orlence against women act defund planned parenthood? >> senator, i think the most important thing to tell people is the truth. which is what i see my role being. congressman, that over the last 30 years, we have seen a massive shift in wealth from the middle class to the top 1/10 of 1%? is that true? >> i won't split hairs with you on what the term massive means, that incomeieve inequality is growing. >> we can argue about what
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massive means. right now, you have the top 1/10 owning almost as much wealth as the bottom 90%. that question is, given massive, grotesque level of income and wealth inequality and people like president trump not paying a nickel in federal taxes, and then having to cut programs for the elderly or the sick and the poor, don't you think maybe to go to the very, very wealthy, the top 1/10 of 1%, and maybe the large corporations that don't pay a nickel in taxes? the philosophical conversation. i did enjoy the conversation in office. if you ask me about the disparities between the most and the worst off, i'm more concerned in the wealth that's controlled by the folks don't have -- >> but that -- the middle class has shrunk. in fact, from 1985 to 2013, the 90% has seen its share of
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wealth go down from 35% to 22.8%. that is a huge contraction of wealth for the middle class, is not? >> and i think what you saw on saturday is president trump's ideas on how to fix that problem. >> no. what i saw on sunday were millions of people saying that don't want more tax breaks for billionaires. >> i said saturday. i meant friday. i apologize. >> okay. thank you very much. >> president trump's interior secretary is ryan zinke, confirmed on march 1 by a vote of 68-31. zinke served as a navy before getting into politics. he was elected to the u.s. house of representatives. a portion of his january confirmation hearing with questions from the chair and ranking members of the senate, energy and natural resources committee.
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>> congressman, i would like to talk about land management. dealnd i have had a good of conversation about the necessity to manage our lands manage them well. if confirmed, you're going to be managing overr 245 million surface acres and million acres of subsurface mineral estate. that's we both recognize a pretty weighty responsibility is in myfifth of it state. and that means your land efforts have an overwhelming impact on the state of alaska. refer to the secretary of the interior effectively as alaska's landlord. probably the most consequential member of the outside of the president, in terms of issues that we work with. nomination very, very seriously. i've mentioned in my opening numbernts, we have had a
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of disagreements and a very difficult relationship at times with this administration. acknowledged that each of our states are different. ourve walked you through map and tried to outline why we are unique, why we are bigger and better and broader and faster and more complicated and mostchallenging than others. so my question to you, very yourly, is how will approach to management of alaska's lands be different than what we have seen? recognition of the unique aspects of a state like be different in these years going forward? >> well, thank you. the question. and as you know, as we visited with each other, alaska is different.
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and i recognize that. as a navy seal, i spent time in and i spent time in the allusion chain. did not spend a lot of time in the interior. folks in alaska are upset. they feel like the management, they have no voice. looking at the timber assets along the coast and southern part of alaska, those assets, forest fires occur, and yet we can't harvest a tree. inland, your pipeline is down at 40%. engineering-wise, there's a lot of issues when your pipeline, the backbone of energy, is that low. a lot of it, i think, has to do these cost-savings mechanisms put in place. occurred is we have taken the field and we make those in in the fieldthose have taken away the resources and keep on bringing them up to
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consolidation, layers and layers and layers. a lot of these decisions should be made on the field, in the ground, or on the ground, by people that are closest to the problem. these are people that live in communities. a lot of the b.l.m. managers live in the communities. and they understood that ammunities have to have voice. i do recognize alaska is different. it needs to be handled different size.e of the and i also understand, thanks to i clearly understand that the private land equity in so incredibly small. your resources are incredibly large. people of alaska need to be a partner in the proper development of those resources. >> well, and we look forward to eventnership and an partnership, because when it comes to consultation, when it listening toy alaskans, it just feels that we
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have fallen upon deaf ears. and so a more welcoming dialogue, i think, is what we are anticipating going forward. about the resources of alaska and alaska's share thoseto resources with the rest of the country and truly the world, one assets is our oil reserves that we have up north. as you mentioned, our trans-alaska pipeline is running 3/4 empty. it is not due to lack of resource. it's, instead, a lack of permission to access those resources. are you -- will you commit to a all of theew of obama administration's actions resource-baring lands and waters in alaska effectively table, including the decisions that specifically prevented the leasing of those fors and those waters
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development and determine whether or not they can be reversed? >> yes. i think the president-elect has want to be energy independent. as a former navy seal, i think 63 countries in my lifetime. i can guarantee you, it is produce energy domestically, under reasonable regulations, than watch it be overseas with no regulation. i've seen the consequences of don't haves when you any regulation in the middle east. do it right. the backbone of our environmental policies has been nipa. i'm a strong supporter of nipa. we also have to understand that economy.n and look, if we don't have an economy as a country, then the matter,it doesn't because we're not gonna be able a strong military, now are we going to be able to afford to keep the promises we great nation.
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and we made a lot of promises, future, todren's infrastructure, to social security. all that takes an economy that's moving forward. is a part of that economy. and alaska is a critical part of that economy. alaska is different, for a reason. you're blessed with great resources. you're blessed with great a little cold in the winter. but it's not palm springs. >> you're from montana. you can handle it. >> we can handle it. but, yes, i think we need to be prudent and always, i think, we need to review things to make right,'re doing it because over time, the government keeps on getting bigger and bigger. bureaucracy gets larger and larger. and we can't get something done. a nation.k we do, as we should look at everything to get objective eye things done. >> thank you. to senatorturn
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cantwell, ranking member. >> thank you. willingnessr your to serve. and obviously going from congressman to then secretary of means a different kind portfolio, because there's so many people that want to ask questions, if i could cover you, issues quickly with then give our colleagues a chance to ask questions. obviously you representing the district that you do in montana have made a statements about coal. i just, for the record, want to understand where you are. theou believe administration does have a right and should have a review of updating information about our coal program? always transparency is important. any administration has the right to look at it and ask the right questions. in our -- in all our energy fields. >> so you wouldn't stop the review that's under way now? >> i think a review is good. i don't know the specifics of that review.
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i think we should always look at our energy portfolio with an objectiveness, because it's important. >> you don't have an objection getting a fair value for -- >> ma'am, i think taxpayers should always get a fair value. >> including on coal? >> including on coal, wind, all the above. >> thank you. and on the g. a.o. statement sure thatrity, making coal companies have the capability, just as other energy do, do you support that as well? the gao -- i have not read the specifics, but if question of bonding -- >> bonding, yes. >> i'm from montana, where we have d.r.c. we have a lot of coal mines, strip mines and stuff. i think bonding is important. from a state that, in the 1800's, mined gold by going and down stream beds and taking all the material and down.g it upside
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i don't think we'd want to go back to those days. reclamation problems we have, and face in the west, still are not repaired. so as a teddy roosevelt -- teddy roosevelt had the courage to look 100 years forward. i think we need to have that look back andand say we did it right. >> i hope that was a great endorsement of stream protection. but on the teddy roosevelt point, i'll ask you that later. point,teddy roosevelt you've made comments. do you support making the land programr conservation permanent? >> i do. i think land and water conservation has been important to montana, certainly in many of the states. i do think we should look at it if you're in -- the gulf states, i understand point, that the revenue comes from all offshore and very goes within the states that are affected most by industry.re
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so i do think we need to look at revenues and evening out the source. i think always you should look at programs to make sure more projects, soto making sure the bureaucracy time. grown over lastly, i do think the states should have a say. the local communities should those funds go, more of a say than sometimes they do today. of itselfhat in and might lead me to go down a different line of questioning, as it relates to making sure that federal lands stay in federal lands. i want to cover the park budget.klog and we face the 100-year anniversary, the teddy roosevelt you have struck is very important, because as i mentioned, we're talking about billions of dollars to our economy from the outdoor access to our public lands. do you think we need to go than what we've dope in supporting our -- done in supporting our national parks of theting rid
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maintenance backlog? >> i do. i feel very strongly about it, because as you point out, a lot of our national parks, this last year, are at capacity. numbers. record and so looking forward, what do we do about it? is -- lot of it is repairing the roads, trails. also looking at the public lands around the park to make sure we look at those trail systems, to make sure that the rest rooms clean, to make sure the sewer systems work. when you're talking about a 12 half billion dollar backlog, i was over in the transition office. oddly enough, i looked at the park in front of the department of interior, the very park that working in the department of interior goes by every day. work?untains don't even and they're in need of repair. and then you start asking, what washington,st of d.c.? well, it turns out that very few fountains work. bridge, thek at the memorial bridge that goes across to arlington. needs $150 million.
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so we better get on it. >> we're out of time, but i will back to this question, because there's been a lot of discussion about your viewpoint in platforms and house votes about federal hands. but we'll come back to that in second round. thank you. >> veterans affairs secretary anid shulkin was originally pointee of the obama administration and was hisirmed unanimously to current post on february 13. he'd been serving as the affairs undersecretary for help. prior to that, he was chief thecal office for university of pennsylvania health system and served as chair of medicine at drexel university. we'll show you a portion of his confirmation hearing from early february. watch all confirmation hearings for trump nominees by going to our website, and searching by name. country's sacred obligation to fully honor our commitments to our veterans is deeply personal to me. born on an army base.
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my father was an army psychiatrist. too.probably watching both my grandfathers are army veterans. paternal grandfather pharmacist.e chief i trained in several v.a. hospitals. it's a duty to give back to the men and women who secured the anduely american freedoms opportunities we all enjoy because of the sacrifices they made. came to v.a. when it was clear that veterans were not getting to high-quality care they deserved. i soon discovered it was years of inside effective systems that led to these problems. yearsluded it would take to fix these problems. but because veterans' lives were time to, there was no waste. that's why i focused on meeting the most urgent needs first and ed our approach to reflect that. reduced theically
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number of people waiting for urgent care. same-daynow has services at all of our medical centers to make sure veterans get the urgent care they need when they need it most. i've had the opportunity to travel across the country, to veterans,tly from their service organizations and stakeholders about their concerns. both the candor of these conversations and the support and commitment i've received from so many in improving the v.a. the opportunity to spend with and learn about the needs of veterans we serve was the best foraration i could have had this nomination. v.a. has been working hard to integrated an enterprise. i have worked closely with my colleagues. i understand that veterans see threeone v.a. and not as separate administrations. creating a seamless experience benefitsans, accessing and services is critical to fulfilling our mission. upon mybuild
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foundational understanding of these issues to accelerate change across all three administrations. v.a. is a unique national resource that is worth saving. committed to doing just that. one thing i want to be especially clear on is that v.a. dedicated employees across the country. and our veterans tell us just that every day. unfortunate that a few employees who have deviated from the values we hold so dear have able to tarnish the reputation of so many who have dedicated their lives to serving served.o have but there should be no doubt that if confirmed as secretary, major reform and a transformation of v.a. there will be far greater accountability, dramatically improved access, responsiveness and expanded care options. the department of veteran affairs will not be privatized watch.y if confirmed, i intend to build a system that puts veterans thet and allows them to get best possible health care and services wherever they may be in v.a. or in the community.
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i've demonstrated my commitment to moving care into the community where it makes sense for the veteran. i began my tenure as undersecretary for health, 20% delivered in the community. today that figure stands at 31%. but veterans tell us that even with the ability to seek care in the community, they want v.a. services. one millionthan veterans who took advantage of the choice program, only 5,000 sought car care solely in the community. the rest use both v.a. and the community. should i be confirmed, i intend system ofn integrated care that would strengthen services in v.a. that are essential for well-being. to work closely together to extend and reform the choice program to ensure to seek the able care in the community they need. we made significant progress in prevention, including hiring more mental health to identify those
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at the greatest risk and fixing the veterans' crisis line. we must also continue our progress in addressing the unique needs of women veterans expanding women's health services and ensuring our toilities are welcoming women. i also want to recognize the importance of supporting the efforts of families and are involved in the care of our veterans. we have to continue our work to our disability claims backlog. we need legislation that would allow us to reform the outdated process. we must continue the progress we made in reducing veterans' modernize ournd i.t. systems to improve our services. we have to address afrastructure issues and take closer look at facilities that no longer serve a useful purpose. must explore expansion of public-private partnerships rather than continue to build medical centers that have large -- takerruns and taker too long to build. with the support of members of congress, veterans and their service organizations, the
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dedicated employees of v.a. and the american people, we can fulfill president lincoln's and our sacred mission to care for him and now for her shall have borne the battle. there is no higher calling for me. distinct honor and privilege to lead this effort. our veterans deserve the very best. i amyour support, confident we will succeed. tonk you and i look forward your questions. >> we've had some issues with third-party administrators in the state. of it.aware what can we do to hold them more accountable for their contractual obligations to the v.a. and to the veterans? >> i think it's called competition, senator. when we brought the choice had twoup, we only bidders for the choice program. and we accepted both of them. and now that we're going out for an rsp, this is going to be a much bigger competition. we already have interest from many more vendors.
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frankly, this is going to be an open process. and those who can deliver on doing the better job are going win the contracts. >> it was my knowledge that there was only one that bid on montana. you know, i will tell you they've taken some things. embedded some people, supposedly increased their call center. thought of having the v.a. be the administrator for that choice program? redesign of the choice program that we're going to come back to you with allows the v.a. today the things that it does well, which is dealing with customer doing the service, making sure veterans' needs are met. we outsourced that in the choice learned that was a mistake. we're not gonna do that again. but on the other hand, v.a. is good at many of these managed care functions, claims processing and some of the network adequacy that you have to maintain. and so what we want to do is based uponcision what makes sense for the veterans, what needs to be in v.a. and what needs to be done
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by private industry. and we believe we can find that balance. tell you, from my perspective, the v.a. might not be good and they may have and theyimprovement, do, but the third party are worsetors truthfully. and at least in our case. i'd like to cut to the chase. there's a lady from billings, note and said, shulkin do to ensure that all service men and overseasing home from duty get the medical attention mentaled, including health care? >> well, you know, we have to do a couple things. the most important is access. been our focus. that's why, if you go to billings, you're going to find same-day services in mental health. but we need more mental health professionals. and we're seeking to hire more professionals and we need to use our technology like mental health that we're
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using for 336,000 veterans today. we need to continue to expand that. we've just established national hubs, 10 national hubs of mental we can reach areas like billings that may not have the number of health care professionals it needs. so we have a lot more to do, but we think we're headed in the right direction, and we are committed and we're not going to rest until we meet every who is their needs have met. >> okay. you come from the health care side. okay? concern byeen some some folks who are paying that the v.a. side may suffer with u.s. secretary of the v.a. being flat honesty. you have commented about the free use. you did -- and i congratulate you on that, you did get them to unfreeze for the part to health care folks. but you still have a backlog on veterans' benefits. what is your intention to do there? manpower issue?
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>> first of all, it wasn't just health care that we got exempted. national cemetery too, because it's very important to be able to get people the proper burial. that.nk you for firmly you know, what i believe is, what i've learned over 18 months, we are one v.a. care ifdon't get health you can't get benefits. so benefits is not gonna suffer secretary,firmed as because it's important to veterans and we have to focus on it. 90-day freeze, i am working with our current murphy, thaty, tom if this really starts to impacts our ability to get veterans' benefits, that is something i am willing to address with the administration. so i'm not gonna forget about it. i'm gonna advocate for what veterans need. >> okay. campaign,ourse of the president trump has said that most.a. is a disaster, the corrupt agency in the united states. that? agree with
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>> the president and i spoke needs tore the v.a. go. and that's where we focused all of our attention. about histalk to him past comments. absolutely, agree, firmly aligned, that we need to do a lot better for our veterans that movingd upon forward, that the secretary's role is going to be to get those changes made. do you feel about the workforce in the v.a.? >> i feel we have such a tremendous workforce. i am so proud of our employees. >> good enough. >> and just bear with me one second, because i just can't this.hinking about when i was in st. louis, and i actually made a visit with visitedmccaskill -- we the v.a. -- they asked me to see one of our employees. talkidn't want to really to me, because she was very humble. but what they told me about her is, the week before, there was a veteran who had come three hours appointment, into
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st. louis. and they kept him waiting, so he missed his bus home. so she's walking out to go home with her coach. she sees this veteran in the waiting room. says, can i help you? he says, well, i missed my bus. go.ve nowhere to i don't know st. louis. i'm worried about staying here overnight. she said, i'll drive you home. three hours. she said let's go. and she drove him home. employees, these are the people that people don't hear about. they're there, not for the they're there despite the bad press. they're there because they're passionate about helping veterans. our employees are veterans themselves. these are the best people in health care. serve withud to them. >> so i'm gonna ask you the next question, and i think you may have answered it. believe that beating the workforcef the entire is productive? >> i think it's destructive. it's hurt our ability to demoralized our workforce, it demoralizes those it.s trying to from improve
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it's got to stop. i appreciate the chairman and you both helping us with that. are.a. job applications down by about a third. is that correct? >> even more. at the height of the crisis, 78%.were down we're getting back. >> do you think that part of the reason they're down by a third is because they've come to beat the hell out of them? of the reason. >> tonight, parts two of our special program looking at the cabinet. we'll show portions of confirmation hearings. look at vermont senator bernie sanders questioning scott pruitt on the causes of climate change. ♪[music] our c-span'suring video documentary competition for middle and high school students. this year, students told us the most urgent issue for the new congress.and our first prize, high school fromr, an 11th grader
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washington, d.c. matthew gannon is a student at school.college high he believes homelessness is an hisnt issue, and documentary entitled "invisible." take a look. ♪[music] ♪[music]
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>> our mission is to work with struggle with homelessness, to provide them basic human services and to their growth towards stability, productivity and meaning in life. >> homeless people are not a lot different than everybody else. fallen intove eventuallyes that got out of their control. >> i actually got involved with people that was counterfeiting money. to prison forng that. i just got up here. 10.uary and so when i got here, i was homeless as well. >> actually, i became homeless because i got incarcerated. and i did my time. when i got released, they released me straight on to the streets. they gave me no assistance. doing. what i've been
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i'm 33, ex-con, just trying to get my life together. 12, 13 months, i stayed at a homeless shelter in washington, d.c. i never thought i'd be homeless. but as most people in the now livinght paycheck to paycheck, i was. >> there are four, five root causes of homelessness. are mental health. that's the biggest one. but you also have troubles drug anddiction, alcohol addiction. a third is unemployment. guys truly are unemployed. fourth cause for the guys that deal with is incarceration. and the fifth major cause of that we encounter family.dissolution of >> mental illness is huge here. there are about 60% of guys who services.for they have some form of mental
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illness. >> issues of depression, bipolar. just exacerbate homelessness. >> basically, dysfunctional. as a child, and even as a man today. prevalent in, it's this environment, because we howt really understand just deep mental illness is. guys deteriorate, because of their homelessness. depression of being homeless being too much for some guys. crumble in a year or two after a guy has become homeless. severely mentally ill. i've seen many men become homeless because they are mentally ill. ♪[music]
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is theal health care number one resource needed by homeless. for allrdable care act, of its troubles and problems, has afforded men at the bottom of the path the opportunity to get the mental health care they need. they can't afford going to a psychiatrist or a psychologist. afford the medication. >> the affordable care act is
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beneficial, is absolutely beneficial, to people that are homeless. question in my mind. it's essential. if it's stopped, then we'll be devastated. >> being the most powerful country in the world, it just doesn't make sense. >> we know that having people live out of doors is wrong. something --ght be we don't want to deal with that. >> you can't press a button, an app oneyes, put our phone to make it go away, because it's going to be here. big topic in
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congress. this my lifetime, anything country has purposed itself to do has been done. that tells me that this country not yet, from top to bottom, purposed itself to end homelessness. >> it's gotta change. how he's supposed to change... away. pushed towell, we're in a country, where people grow old, and rich poor, everything should be addressed. we need to have it addressed as well. >> treat me like a person. >> one of the struggles for the they becomethat invisible. them, we'rere disrespecting them. they're still human beings. we can treat them as human beings, it's a whole step forward.
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>> to watch all of the documentaries in this year's student cam competition, visit studentcam.org. >> the president of turkey said today he would travel to and meet withc. president trump on may 16 and 17. it would be their first meeting since president trump took office in january. therts that ties between u.s. and turkey have deteriorated after the failed last july and disagreements over u.s. support militia group. on sunday, turkey held a constitutional referendum that government from a parliamentary system to a presidential system. increasing the president's powers. turkey's main opposition party has called for a recount. erdoganresident addressing supporters after the vote.

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