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like anywhere. it is just parking lots, strip malls, -- the idea that what i experienced like, the level of level ofion and the racial oppression and friction, the level of policing, the intensity of the humiliation -- anonymous. that blew my mind. 9 p.m. eastern on c-span2 k tv. >> next, a discussion about the g-7 summit in sicily that president trump is attending k this weekend. from washington journal, this is 30 minutes. beginning 9:30 a.m. history t.v.erican on c-span 3.
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where he sort of solded members saying they need to pay up and he did not give the much awaited affirmation of u.s. commitment to nato that some leaders are looking for. what do you think the result of that will be? >> as someone said he was very generous with the criticism but stingy with the reassurance as you pointed out. >> this is a disappointment for the allies. i think they certainly expected to hear about the need to raise defense spending and share the burden with the united states. they certainly expected to hear president trump, he wanted a stronger focus on counterterrorism but in exchange for that, it's a two-way street, if you will. they really were expecting a strong american statement about america's commitment to euro which has been done at every nato meeting since eisenhauer.
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>> let's take a listen to what president trump said in brussels commitment to security, which every president has done at every nato meeting since eisenhower. bit more at what president trump said in brussels yesterday. president trump: spent 2% of gdp on defense last year, we would $119 billion her defense and ctive for the financing of additional reserves. chronicd recognize with underpayments and growing is ats, even 2% of gdp insufficient to close the gaps modernizing readiness and the size
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size -- threats. f nato countries made full and complete contributions, the nato it d be even stronger than -- oday the uk and s., make the 2% mark or higher. do you agree with what the said?dent guest: i agree in principle, but it is more complicated than that spending 2% on gdp s important aptitude and i agree the europeans need to meet
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the united states halfway in sharing the burden. on the other hand, it also comes on what you spend, you can waste money and sort of spend it on military bans, but on paper, you spend 2%. with the 2% today, it is just important to write, what are we getting out of this? lanes, ships, getting rid of units to do the work in the field? magnus are talking to the president's trips, meetings with the g7 meetings and yesterday's meeting leaders. democrats can call 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. independents can call 202-748-8002. ow there was a focus on substance yesterday, with the nato meeting, but there was also some discussion about style, you could see in the video we saw
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some of the other leaders sort looking at each other and making faces, eye rolls during the american president's address and also on the front page of the financial times today out of about his visit and other aspects of that, despite carefully choreographed leaders, awkward oments, he pushed the prime minister of montenegro out of get in front and shared two awkward handshakes france's new president. how much does this style affect the president as he and his with leaders? guest: the style makes a difference and our current is perhaps a big more ones. w than previous however, i would say historically we've had other europeans have
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been taken back by their style. eorge w. bush is an example, ended up having a good elationship with european allies. i think the key point here is should be emphasized that european allies really put a lot effort into this meeting and they wanted this to go right and had put behindey them some of trump's remarks obsolete and so on and so forth. they did think, i think, this all n opportunity to put that behind them and get down to business. i think that is also some what seeing in the europe 18 body language, that is all brussels iday yesterday. host: donald is calling in from homewood, illinois, on the line.endent good morning, donald. caller: good morning. with go ahead, you are on magnus nordenman. comments are my why are we trying to defend
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europe, europe should defend themselves f. they are not illing to defend themselves, ce why are we trying to defend them? there, i would pull out of nato and leave the europeans to hang on their own because the russians certainly some impact if there, i would out of nato and leave the europeans we europeans are oing nothing virtually to protect themselves. o that is the end of my comments. guest: well, thanks for that. i certainly understand where you are coming from. i wouldn't say that the europeans are doing nothing, again, certainly the countries racing ast are quickly to get to 2%, for example, will get there next year, romania is raising defense spending. terms of europe defending itself, at the end of the day, contest really isn't about
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russia and europe, it's actually about us. countries that have defense guarantees from the treaty andes through the united states is in charge system, al alliance which also applies to a japan and korea and attempt by russia to invade the really isn't it about putin wanting to rule the but about russia showing american defense guarantees about leadership in the world and not worth the it is written on. the lack of american resolve, than it is about controlling the poland or es or romania. host: how much, if any, are the ongoing investigation into russian interference back here in the united states affecting the president in his trip to the nato members and
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today's g7? guest: this is closely watched much on the st as front page in europe as it is in it newspapers in the u.s. is certainly in the back of people's minds. european u have seen movement where there is certainly not going to ignore but they are e ore eager to work with secretary of defense mattis or secretary of state tillerson, friends and to be allies, if you will, in this current administration, in white house. the host: rick calling on the independent line. morning, rick. caller: good morning. my question is, the united tates of america has pulled europe's fat out of the fire so to speak, world war i and ii, we defeated communists, why do the europeans think we should pay for the lastg when 0 years we've kept the world basically safe and this gentleman you have speaking,
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smug.eal i mean, i was in the service and shot off in vietnam, why in the world do europeans hink today we should have to pay for everything, put our country on the line when like said earlier, the baltic states that recently went are providingthey the bulk of the money and you fat europeans are sitting over fat living off the alliance. chance tos give you a respond. guest: sure. so again, you are right, there needs to be a sharing of burdens again, i think europeans would agree with this the his is decided at meeting yesterday to have a new commitment to increase european spending. i would make the point, over 000 europeans lost their lives in afghanistan fighting for the united states against al qaeda and actually the
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president in brussels unveiled 9/11 memorial, only time nato triggered collective defense response to the 9/11 attacks. i would say, even when the in other tes fights places, we rarely, if ever, fight without allies. the u.k. was in iraq, nato ally. in afghanistan in operations off the coast of somalia, us.pean allies are with i have a hard time coming up ith a war we have been alone and not worked with allies and allies contributed. hat is certainly the case in iraq and syria in cottalition, as well. council , the atlantic is putting together what they call a memo to the president, a new dealions about for nato, recommendation for president trump, can you a little bit and tell us why you're doing this? guest: sure. this, we think this
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is an opportunity to create a between if you will, the united states and europe, ou know, part is increased european defense spending and part is more of nato attention spent on counter terrorism and helping the united states campaign against isis and other groups and third, being, component being clear american commitment to european security. also, this is an opportunity for the united a path of ut nato on transformation, to keep changing nato and again, the president and others made the point, the world is very different today, dealing with groups, dealing with terrorism, ybrid war fare and something nato needs to transform. we are in a challenging period n the relationship between the u.s. and allies, but it is also an opportunity. with magnus
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atlantic from the council, previously held several positions with the atlantic council since 2005 and also defense analyst with the washington, d.c. consulting company. democrats call 202-748-8000. 202-748-8001. and independents, 202-748-8002. line from kingswood, texas, hi, bob. caller: hi, good morning. magnus nordenman, i wanted to get your comment and thought socialism ofective france. as you know, france pays below share, quite a bit below and i think they have a from their backlog payment. as you know, also they had an they basically leaned a little bit left and a lot of the people in france are letting other people pay, inle they can use that money their socialistic system.
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what do you feel about that? example of a good what happen necessary america and other places, where when eople are covered with their payments, they can use money to do other things? thanks for that comment. again, you are hitting on a real here. there has been an element, quite perhaps an element of free riding where the u.s. spent some on defense and european nations have spent less obviously some point have you to pick between bread and your and what you spend money on. in the case of france, two points. in ce is about 1.7, 1.8 terms of defense spending as far as gdp, they are relatively reaching 2%. then operationally, it's underreported story, incredible how much france does with the in terms of
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counter terrorism and in terms of operations. of the early -- ners in the ys kwlies isis coalition, they sent a isis.er down to strike they have been incredibly active groups ca against terror in africa, where actually the united ave led and the states has only provided upport, uad's and tankers and so forth. you raise an important point in the tension between bread and butter. host: the president today is in the for the g7 meeting of top industrialized countries. the difference between the g7 and the g20? is obviously a tighter group and much -- the group, that includes the united ern core of the
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states, canada, japan and some countries r european and obviously used to be g8, russians were deported. collection of closer partners, partners and west.s from the host: and according to one piece from the guardian, the president, you talked about a little bit. it said the president could find himself isolated there. it says trump finds himself in colleagues, ix various degrees of emphasis will likely want to change his change, and climate protectionism, treatment of refugees and web tax on the technology companies jachlt pan will be seeking tougher strategy on north korea ambitions. how much pressure is the president facing right now? a lot i think he'll face of pressure. obviously the agenda here is broader than the one at nato, was about burden sharing
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and counter terrorism there is change, north korea, think then and yes, i president has stepped out on some of the issues in way where falls into disagreement with his partners. will add, though, that certainly a lot of countries, there are political winds in the same direction. france, which came relatively to winning the election, on a platform that is not unlike trump that president used during the campaign smchlt their , even though governments don't agree, they are facing some political winds own countries, as well. host: virginia calling from democratic line. good morning. caller: good morning. c-span so much, and 0 and a half years old
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i am thrilled, so thrilled that to see y is getting donald trump off the bat, the be rude.h he wouldn't think by as little as i know about what you're talking about, the opportunity that is to learn more and thank goodness for c-span, i ound like a broken record, for allowing the education that is oming to my life to watch and see what he's going to say next. the gentleman there, he is such guy.ssy but i hope one of the goals that meeting mes out of the is that some people will sit on attitude and his diplomacy. people he's so-called what i've seen, i love, i really, really hope he comes back a some areas.rson in
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but i really appreciate and hank you so much for allowing me time on c-span. if you only knew how it has past few through the months of learning more about to government, i'm ashamed say, i don't know as much as i thought i knew, but i know more going on i've seen than, you know, i just thank you you do.g what guest: in meeting with international leaders, i think diplomatic community
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observation has been, it is on again, sometimes he seems to be learning and and softening and changing his opinions or at being a bit more nuanced about it, for example, during he election, he was very ritical of the e.u. and encouraged brexit of the e.u.. bit, had meetings ith the e.u. when he was in brussels. we have other weeks, back to the trump, aditional donald if you will. seems to be what people call back flighting. it is a uneven journey with both progress and back sliding. host: is that just president g7, there will be our new leaders in the g7, including president mack brown,
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prime ance, as well as minister maye. alk about how the external factors will weigh on the meeting. uest: what we have, some veterans and some newcomers, ing in policy st ing erms, taken a different tack from president trump, but he's an outsider, too.
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- so that, people bring those perspectives, those backgrounds and those domestic context of for sure.ng we have wanda calling from on the oga, tennessee, democrats line. good morning. caller: hi. wondering when donald pushed his way to the front of the leader pack and was in front camera, like he don't like the reporters, what did the think about him pushing his way up there? saw a see a child, like i child? guest: thank you. o, that has certainly made its rounds on the news and i think was seen push that around the world. i think it is something from officially, i don't think the montenegro will try to make a big deal about it.
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willingness to find ways to work administration. the europeans consider it important, united states is important trading and security partner. do think i get the sense the to peans really are trying find ways to work with administration and therefore, other illing to look the way, even when they are shoved around on stage. the one of the items on agenda at g7 will be the decision by president trump, if about the harris climate accord, whether the u.s. out as y in it or pull he said he wanted to do on the campaign trail. to bloomberg, says world leaders expect donald trump to announce this week if will remain in the landmark
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paris climate accord. global ho has derived warming, make a decision after two-day friday for the germany's italy, environment declined tol member say when donald trump would announce his decision, he said before, he would wait originally trip and now the wait until after the trip. paris climate accord looming over this meeting today? guest: because i think it is one the issues where the united its western allies, his may be an irreconcilable differences. you can compromise, meet halfway, going back to european spend more defense, the u.s. can be committed to but climate rity, change and paris accord is high agenda, ropean certainly on the german agenda
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and on the french agenda, so may be one of the issues where the u.s. and europe to ifically do not see eye eye on current political circumstances and there are irreconcilable differences and little room in between. host: magnus nordenman of the the g7 council about meeting today. so much is happening, glen is on ohio, on the republican line. glen. glen, are you there? n the democratic line, hi, nancy. caller: hello, yes, i want to ay, i think it is wonderful that the united states pays far more to nato than to the united countries n other because we have an obligation also we, independently
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support many countries, but that what the honorable people do, s take care of others all over the world. i'm proud of us. thank you. reaction?r guest: just two very quick comments about that. yes, we do pay t more, but we are in a privileged osition, super power in the world and obviously with spending some of the money comes opportunities. i was in lithuania a month ago that is rican company stationed there as part of nato's reassurance and i talked soldier, i they were in had been w they
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received by the local population, they said never had they felt so appreciated and people had banners out, "please don't had been received by theleave," "we have waiting for you since 1945," so soldiers been to iraq, afghanistan, other places, they were marveling at the warm and support they were getting from europeans and the for the american president. -- e is a story about perhaps a human element to what we get out of our security work the world. host: one of the items on the genda, even at the g7 is terrorism, something the leaders are waiting to hear what the president has to say in terms of shared commitment there. also, the terror attack in weighing , obviously over that. talk about the impact that might issue of terrorism itself, as well as the leaks temporary that caused iff between the u.s. and the
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u.k. guest: that is a big problem, i will touch on a couple. think hester, i don't that the attack in itself is at many, we've one of een in paris, in stockholm, in london about a month ago. certainly, it is in the news and meet meet iing. so certainly it provides a cloud. in terms of the leaks, i think this one in particular, relate to some of one in particular, r to some of the evidence, i'm going to sort of chalk up to bureaucracy, obviously been other instances where president trump may have shared things with foreign leaders that the allies are concerned about. relationship is so sensitive and being to openly perspective and information and it goes no not be mishandled.
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that is something and will security.rican we certainly benefit, both in terms of counter terrorism and security issues. we certainly benefit from the information and data collected u.k., allies, whether the french, germans, the japanese. irritant clearly an in the current environment. mt. wendy calling from vernon, washington, on the democratic line. hi, wendy. caller: hi. disagree with everything that saying.t caller was important to partnership, 's a through a partnership, and i he just h everything said. host: that makes it easy to to.ond guest: thank you. host: what should we expect the takeaways to be today as the
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president wraps up his first trip abroad from the g7 and just the overall impression of the president and his trip abroad? guest: i think we are seeing a bit of a mixed bag, in the sense middle east and israel went actually went quite well. and i think the arab nations to see new, ed active american leadership in he region, especially as pertains to iran. the first third of the trip went quite well. a bit more een turbulent, but again, i remain optimist we can actually move andard to get on the things on g7, we will have to wait and there are some stumbling blocks in terms of rade and climate change, but terrorism is one area where europeans and americans may not same approach, but
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