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by searching the video library. >> the united kingdom is holding a special election next week for members of parliament. the bbc hosted a question time with british prime minister theresa may and new labour party leader jeremy corbyn. topics included the economy, brexit negotiations, public trumpsn government, and >> tonight the prime minister theresa may, the leader of the conservative party and the leader of the labor party face the voters. welcome to question time. >> this audience is made up of a third, they intend to vote
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conservative next week. the same number say they will vote labor. the rest have yet to make up their minds. you can comment on all of this at home. either on twitter or facebook as usual. press the red button on your remote. the leaders don't know the questions. first to face our audience, welcome the leader of the conservative party, prime minister, theresa may. [applause] good evening prime minister. your first question is from abigail. >> why should the public trust
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anything you say when you have a known track record of broken ?romises prime minister may: thank you. can i just say good evening. thank you for being in the audience. the things i did as home secretary, i was sure we were dealing with hate speeches. i said i would do something about "stop and search". i said i would be tough on crime and i said i would ensure our peace and security services have what they need.
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i gave them those in the legislation that i put through. i've made sure that we have kept the records of criminals and terrorists on the database. i think that is a good idea because it helps us catch criminals. [applause] >> no broken promises. what were you thinking of? >> you have backtracked as prime minister. you have backtracked when you became leader of the conservatives and then immediately prime minister after the eu referendum. you said you wouldn't call an election, and you did. you are here calling and election and refusing to take part in debates, refusing to answer people's questions, refusing to talk to jeremy corbyn. you have backtracked on your social care policy. your retirement manifesto has holes in it. >> first of all -- [applause]
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prime minister may: can i just say i am not refusing to take part in debates. i'm here answering questions from you this evening. that is what i think is important. it is not politicians are doing amongst each other but actually taking questions from voters. you mentioned about not holding an election and now holding one. you are right. i thought we needed stability when i became prime minister. what was clear to me when we went through the article 50 process to trigger leaving the european union, to respect the will of the british people, a lot of parties wanted to frustrate those processes of the will of the people. it would have been easy. i could have said another couple of years going, why don't i just stay and hang on to the job. i called an election because of
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brexit. i was willing to do that because i think this is a really important moment for our country. we've got to get this right. i'm optimistic for the british people because i believe in the british people. but we need to get it right. >> the woman there. >> labor has clearly issued a way to get people to vote. besides the lib dems. i don't understand who it is that contested your leadership from brexit. prime minister may: we got the article 50 leadership. that was important. it triggered the ability for us to start these negotiations. those start in 11 days after election day next week. whoever comes in as prime minister has got to be ready to get the ball rolling and start those negotiations straight away. it was clear through the discussions that we had around that time the other party did want to frustrate us.
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you talk about the liberal democrats. if you had a situation where jeremy corbyn was get into number 10, he would be propped up by the liberal democrats and the scottish nationalists. john mcdonald, who is a marxist. the direct opposite of what the british people want. [applause] >> one of the things i would like to know, secretly do you really regret calling the election? now that the polls have moved against you. i'm a tory. i hope that we win but you must feel a little bit of remorse. prime minister may: i have been in politics quite a long time. as i've always said, the only politics that matters is the one that takes place on polling day.
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the british people, when they vote, they have a simple choice. it's about who do you trust to have leadership to take us to get a good brexit deal in europe, and who has the will and the vision not just to take us through brexit, but to take us beyond. to build a better future. >> were you surprised though that the polls have gone from a lead when you called the election? >> i'm never surprised that things that happened during elections. are you upset? >> i'm never surprised things happen during an election campaign. the only poll i look at is the one that takes place on election day. >> you called the election for political gain. it has nothing to do with the good of the country. >> no it is not.
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can i just say to you, it what have been the easiest thing in the world for me having become prime minister after the referendum to say the next election is not until 2020. good job. i enjoyed doing this job. i want to do what is best for britain. i could have stayed on. >> you did it for the good of the conservative party. you called a general election. it is going to backfire on you. [applause] prime minister may: no. i called the general election because i believe the british people have a right to vote and to say who they want to see leading themthrough the brexit negotiations. they should have a prime minister who has a resolute determination to respect their
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will. my party is the only party that is going to respect the will of the british people and deliver a successful brexit. >> i think it is a different thing to debate a studio audience, then debating the other leader. there's been a lot of debating through the media. would it not give a more interesting debate having you say these things face-to-face to the other leaders? rather than through tv and through journalists? [applause] prime minister may: i think election campaign should be about getting out and about. answering questions from voters, meeting voters, talking to people across the u.k. in a variety of circumstances. i think that, having that
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interaction with voters is more useful for the voter and the politician. anybody who wants to be prime minister should be listening to what people are thinking. i don't think seven politicians arguing is that interesting or revealing. >> we talked about the election. let's talk about brexit. barry clark. can we have your question? >> good evening. why don't we just cut and run and pay no money at all? [applause] and pay no money at all? prime minister may: i said that i think no deal would be better than a bad deal. i'm confident we can get a good deal with the right plan. a good deal is in our interest and the interest of the eu but we have to be prepared to stand
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up for britain, to go in there recognizing that we are not willing to expect a bad deal. >> what is a bad deal? you talk all the time about a bad deal. can you explain what would be a bad deal? >> on the one hand you have politicians in europe, talking about punishing the u.k. for leaving the eu. what they want to see would be a bad deal. secondly you have politicians here in the united kingdom who seem to be willing to accept any deal, just for the sake of getting a deal. the danger is that would be accepting the worst possible deal at the highest possible price. >> good evening. you always say you want to settle for all of britain but the brexit was voted by 52%. how do you settle the whole country for just 52% backed the brexit?
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>> the first thing i would say is that i as i go around and talk to people individuals, business representatives and others, i find the greater majority of opinion here in the u.k. is that the decision was taken, the public were given their choice, they chose to leave. let's have a government that gets on with it and delivers a good deal. how i would respond to those who voted to remain is to say now we must make sure we get the negotiations right, we get the free trade agreement and continued cooperation with the eu. we take this opportunity. actually seeing how we can build a more prosperous and fairer britain. i think we can do that. i believe in the british people.
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>> it's curious. a year ago, david cameron got this wrong and he resigned. you got it wrong and remained to become prime minister. you said remaining in the european union makes us more prosperous. yesterday you said brexit makes us more prosperous. where are you at on this? >> i set out carefully before the referendum what i believed on balance we should stay in the eu. i said the sky would not fall in if we leave. the british people, who had been given the choice. parliament decided to say it was your choice. they chose that we should leave. we have got to make sure that we can actually use the opportunities that come from brexit. we have got to grasp those opportunities. fundamentally the thing that matters most is being willing to deliver on the will of the
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people. not saying you got it wrong, let's have a second referendum. you voted and want a government that is going to do it. you need to make sure you get it with the government with me and my team who will deliver it for you. >> the people made their wrong choice by your book. in your mind you must think what are they on about? then you said they will be poorer. can you not honestly say there is no difference? we will get richer by leaving? there's going to be a price to pay. >> i did say i did think there were advantages. but now what i believe we must do, make sure we make a success of it. what i'm doing is saying let's find those opportunities that will enable us to be more prosperous in the future.
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>> good evening. we are going to have to pay. anything between nothing to $100 billion. could you quantify what is a good deal? >> i'm not going to give you a figure on that. first of all because we need to go through it very carefully what part of negotiations, what rights and obligations the united kingdom has. if i gave you a figure tonight for what i thought would be a good figure that would not be a good negotiating stance if i'm prime minister in 11 days' time. >> but it is his money you are spending. >> it is all our money. but you don't go into negotiations saying the thing i want out of this is 'x'.
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you can bet the other side is going to make sure you don't get it. >> you think you will have to agree to that? before talking of trade and the rest? >> i have been very clear. the eu recognizes we need to negotiate that new relationship with them which will be about trade and a lot of other things too. cooperation and criminal justice. they want to start off talking about the bill. i want discussions to be about the reciprocal arrangements. they haven't said that we can't negotiate the trade deal. what they have said is we need to make sufficient progress. several of them have said we need to go to the trade deal quickly. >> you said that you think you can negotiate a good deal. but you really think you have any real leverage with brussels?
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>> yes, i do. actually a good deal in trade terms is not just a benefit to the u.k. it's a benefit for the countries remaining in the european union. it is not just about us. it's about a relationship that matters to them as well as a matters to us. >> you on the right. >> you made somemiscalculations a few minutes ago. phillip hammond, the chancellor of the exchequer got $20 billion miscalculation a few weeks ago. [applause] prime minister may: what i will say is this. diana abbot, she wants to wipe the records of criminals and terrorists from the dna database. that would mean we could catch fewer criminals and terrorists.
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>> talking about brexit, i think the 52%, i think you would like -- lack the confidence asking the electorate one more time. because the voting was so in the middle, i think nigel farage made a mess. i think they led the electorate the wrong way. boris johnson. -- they were all lies. even people who voted, perhaps they should be giving a second chance. you should have the confidence to have another vote. prime minister may: over the years, and the european union, -- in the european union, there has been a number of occasions
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where referendums have been held in countries. there was one in ireland. they voted against what the eu was suggesting. the bureaucrats in the eu politicians turned around and said you've got it wrong. have another vote. we want you to come up with what we think is the right answer. at that time, i think collectively people of the u.k. said that is not the way you behave. the people have given their choice. let's deliver it. >> on the wrong information. they were not given the right information to choose from. >> you said that you wanted the people of britain to trust you with regard to brexit and winning the election. how can the people trust you when your manifesto is not giving them any detail as to figures or what you propose to do with other things in government?
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[applause] prime minister may: what my manifesto -- i used that word trust. that is what politicians when we asked people to vote for us, we areasking people to trust us in the role that we are voted into. if i look at our manifesto what our manifesto has done is be open with people about the great challenges that we believe this country faces and need to be addressed by whoever is in government. we have been open about that. there will be some hard choices to be made in addressing those various challenges. you talk about figures in our manifesto. we already have budgets being set out in the autumn statement and spring budget. we had figures in various areas on the nhs and schools in the
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manifesto. i think it's important the next government sets out for people the big issues that are going to have to be addressed by whoever is in government. >> the one thing that was missing from your manifesto and seem to cause a panic in the conservative party was what happens to people who have to fund their care in old age. we have a question about it. >> with regard to social care, you spend your whole life working hard to build up a nest egg and have a nice pension to be comfortable after you have retired. if it's all going to be taken away from you, why should you bother in the first place? >> your manifesto said 100,000 pounds is all you'll be left with.
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>> 23,000 pounds is what you are currently left with. we are quadrupling that. if i look at -- i thought you -- >> i thought you were going to have an upper limit. >> there is a cap and a flaw. >> let me come onto that. [applause] prime minister may: if we look at the situation at the moment, if you need care, if you've got more than 23,000 pounds in savings you have to pay for that care. if you have residential care the value of your house will be taken into account. today we see people having to sell their houses or pay those bills. what we say is that we need a sustainable system for the future given the aging population. if we do nothing, our social care system will collapse.
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we will ensure people are able to protect more of their savings. the 100,000 pounds. that they will also not have to sell their house during their lifetime to pay for their care bills. i also wanted a system that was fair across generations. we said in our manifesto, i heard the scaremongering that came out after our manifesto was published. i set out one of the details that would have been in the consultation. having a cap. there is a flaw of 100,000. you can protect 100,000. we will consult on what should be the cap on the level of care. >> funny thing to leave out. it's rather important for people. 100,000 pounds that you keep. whether you get rid of half a million or 250,000, the manifesto told you nothing. you suddenly said we will not
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charge you more. off to leave that out. -- odd to leave that out? >> we set out the principles in our manifesto which i have just said in the answer, that it is fair across generations. that we enable people to have the knowledge and the comfort of knowing they won'thave to sell their house in their lifetime to pay for their care. >> from a personal perspective, myself and my wife, we are both disabled. statistically we are maybe more likely to be the ones needing to use that care. are there any safeguards or guarantees we are not going to be left bankrupt in our retirement because of the condition we have no control over? [applause] prime minister may: what i want to do in relation to the details of the policy, how it actually works, to consult with people,
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voters in organizations, charities working with older people so we ensure we get that right. i think that is a fair way to do it rather than just producing a figure now. it's important to have that consultation. >> if you can tell us what the flaw is now why can't you tell us the cap? [applause] prime minister may: because we are talking about two different things. on the floor i think it is important that we give people the protection of their savings. that is why we set that figure at 100,000. on the cap, the absolute figure that people pay, i think it is right that we have that consultation. we will consult with individuals but also with organizations that deal with these issues, charities that work with older
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people to make sure we get that at the right level. >> we had a cap a few years ago of 79,000. why can't we start with something around that figure? prime minister may: we said we weren't following the deal. those are the deal not deal proposals. there were two reasons why. the first is, those tended to protect people who were wealthier but didn't protect people who were on unreported incomes. it required payment out of taxation. if you're going to be fair across generations we don't ask young people to be having their taxes increased in order to pay for the social care costs of somebody who may be sitting on a significant value in their house. >> victoria. >> do the tories expect our support with a 1% pay increase?
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for nurses. [applause] prime minister may: what we are looking at in terms of the national health service, ensuring we can provide the national health service in the future is if we look at how much money is now being spent on the nhs. in five years we will be spending half a trillion pounds on the national health service. we are putting more money in at the moment. we will continue to put more money into the nhs. but it is important we recognize the demands on the nhs are increasing all the time. we recognize the work nhs staff do. >> but the nurses get paid less and less. >> the nurses get an increase. >> no, no. we recognize the work nhs staff >> 14% since 2010.
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decrease. >> i agree with that. my wage slipped. from 2009 reflects exactly what i earn in today. how can that be fair? in light of the job we actually do. >> i recognize the job that you do. we have had to take some hard choices across the public sector and relations to public sector pay raises. -- pay restraint. we had to bring public spending under control. it wasn't under control. i'm being honest with you in terms of saying that we will put more money into the nhs. but there isn't a magic money tree that suddenly provides for everything that people want. [applause] >> you say you will cut nhs spending but you'll also cut taxes for the rich. [applause]
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>> we are not actually cutting nhs spending. we are putting record levels of funding into the nhs. we will continue to increase funding for nhs and government. >> other countries spend more than we do. we are giving it out for free. why are we spending less? >> the figures do vary. it is not the case other countries are spending more money than we are. we are putting more funding in. we will continue to do that. i also want to do some other things with the nhs. we have put into a requirement the mental health should be given parity with physical health in the nhs. more money is going into it. there's more for us to do. in our manifesto we set up a whole package on what we can do. on mental health.
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it's not just about the money, it's about ensuring that we are dealing with addressing the issues we need to. i think mental health is something that has been put to one side for too long. >> do you think it is fair that the nurses get a 1% increaseyear in year out regardless of inflation? some of them go to food banks? do you feel that is fair? >> the public sector has been restrained. there will be those working within the nhs who will get progression pay increase. >> are they not a special case compared with other people? >> the public sector has been >> people across all services are working very hard on some jobs that we want them to do because they are looking after us, protecting us, caring for us. but we have to look at public sector spending.
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we have to make sure we are managing our money carefully. there isn't a magic money tree. you may hear later on that you want our money spent on but you can't. we have to ensure we manage your money carefully. >> you mentioned mental health. does that include the work capability assessment with the mental health as well? i have just recently failed that assessment. >> so have i. >> you say you are sitting together by chance? >> basically, i agree. it is important. nhs is in shambles for mental health.
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i applied for nhs counseling probably the end of 2015. my first appointment is next tuesday. i have been waiting a year and a half for this. i have suffered so much in part because of the work capability assessment. [applause] let me tell you, i am partially sighted. i have health problems and other issues, i went into my assessment and i was asked in detail about suicide attempts and i came out crying because i was so upset because of the way i was treated by that nurse. she came out after me and she forgot to measure my eyesight. she found time to ask these upsetting details. >> i'm not going to make any excuses for the experience that you have had.
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that is why it is important that we actually deal with mental health. both of you have raised two different issues. one is how we deal with the health service and one is work capability assessment. this is something where we do look at improving how that assessment is taking place. i know that the issue of mental health is particularly difficult to address in terms of those work capability of assessments. on the national health service one of the things i want to do is ensure we are better supporting schools so we have individual members of staff trained who are able to better identify them to problems and know how to address them. i was talking to a young woman, who in school said nobody really knows what to do with her mental health problems. she suffered as a result.
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i make no excuses for the experience you had. >> the woman in orange. we've only got 10 more minutes for the prime minister. >> mental health funding is one of your soundbites whenever people ask about the nhs. a woman challenged you about her benefits for learning difficulties. you give an answer about mental health funding. it concerned me. you don't understand the difference between a learning disability and mental health condition. [applause] prime minister may: in fact, when the lady spoke i recognized that this particular issue she had was learning disabilities. both of these are areas where we need to ensure we've got the ability for people's needs to be
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identified as early an age as possible. all the evidence is the earlier you can get that support to somebody, then the better it is for the individual. but also the better it will be for the rest of their lives. on the mental health front, i'm keen to ensure that we get more support in terms of training in schools and other things. including in the workplace. too often there is discrimination in relation to mental health and the workplace. i'm going to bring in a new mental health act. but also change the equalities legislation so discrimination on mental health will not be possible in the workplace. >> robert. >> i will be voting tory but i'm not happy with the current budget. especially giving money to north korea.
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can you explain that? prime minister may: well, we -- i think the commitment we have given on the foreign aid budget is an important one. i think it is important for two reasons. we are one of the fastest-growing economy in the g7 last year. we are one of the most significant economies in the world. i think it is right that we help those people who are less well off than we are in those developing countries. there are millions of children, millions of girls being educated today who would not be educated were not for the foreign aid money we are giving. but it is also about something else. it means in certain states, it's possible to help develop the economy, the government of that state, and that is a benefit to us protecting us for a range of reasons.
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if we can stabilize certain countries that is going to be better for us in terms of security. we do it very carefully with individual countries and individual payments. >> but north korea. that is one of the worst places surely. prime minister may: it is certainly not somewhere that i would suggest that one holds up as a paragon of virtue. in terms of its missiles and its nuclear situation. we had another test a few days ago. we are very clear that we want to see changes in north korea. it's important for china to be influcencing them. >> does north korea receive money from the aid budget? >> i don't know the details of that. >> 4 million pounds in 2015.
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>> you are the prime mister of the country. you don't know where that foreign aid is going to. >> if we are putting money -- when we put money into countries we change the way that we spend foreign aid budget. in the past the foreign aid budget was too often given just to governments. you know the stories of the way the money worked in the past. we work through ngos. we work for organizations helping people. money we put into countries is targeted on things like education, on health, welfare of people, support for people who are the most vulnerable. >> you spoke earlier of foreign aid. can you explain why it is that a great deal more of our largess is not in the form of british manufacturing rather than cash.
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it's easier to avoid having a few million of cash. it's also the case that if this money had its way through british manufacturing there would be much less contention. >> can you answer briefly? [applause] >> some of the money we're talking about, it's not about things that are manufactured here. if you are talking education, it's about providing facilities where children who would not otherwise be educated are being educated. but we do give support to countries in other ways. in some countries we are working on things like field hospitals, providing those directly. if we want to improve british manufacturing around the world, i want to ensure we get good trade agreements when we leave the eu.
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[applause] >> sally jones. fire away. >> state schools are underfunded and teachers are overworked. why are you putting the money into grammar schools when state schools are beneficial to all of those proceeds? -- to all of ability's? [applause] prime minister may: what we are doing, the grammar schools will be within the state sector. they might be free schools. they might be other types of schools. we want diversity of education. education is so important. i want every youngster to get the best start in life. getting the education right for them. we are putting more money into possible grammar schools to be set up. yes. we are also increasing the overall amount of money that
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goes into schools and ensuring there is a fair solution to be sure of that money across the country. i believe it is important, if we know there are good schools out there, at the moment there, you , can't set up any more of these types of schools. despite the fact that they are good. i think that is wrong. i think we should allow them to be set up so we assure every child is the education right for them and the best start in life. >> in the school that i work in, by 2020, every child in that school will receive 898 pounds per year less than in 2020. why do you care less about the children than the labor government? prime minister may: i don't care less about the children. [applause] i don't. >> you are saying per child. per pupil it has fallen. >> 898 pounds.
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>> there are two things i want to do. i do care about education. i think it is important for every youngster to get the best start in life. we will be putting more money overall into the schools. we will ensure the pupil premium is there. for those children who are disadvantaged. we will also ensure there is a fairer distribution of school funding. at the moment there are some schools that get twice the amount of money per pupil than other schools in other parts of the country. i want to see a fair system of funding. we will make sure no school sees a budget cut when that is introduced. getting a quality education isn't just about money going into schools. it's about ensuring people to come into the teaching profession. we are going to give student loan forgiveness. two people who come into teaching and stay there. it's about a diversity of types
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of schools. innovation and creativity in education. so we can genuinely say that how far you go in life depends not on where you come from and who your parents are but your talents and your abilities and willingness to work hard. [applause] >> we have a couple of minutes left. >> why haven't you signed a letter to donald trump condemning his decision to pull out of the paris climate change agreement? [applause] >>like something which the presidents in germany and france and italy have done. prime minister may: i haven't because i have spoken to donald trump and told him the u.k. believes in the paris agreement. we didn't want the united states to leave the paris agreement. the g-7 leaders set around the table last week and spoke to donald trump and the six of us told him we believe the agreement was important international agreement on
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climate change. we wanted the united states to stay in it. i spoke to him last night about this. >>what did he say? >>canada and japan have not signed the letter either. he says he is taking the decision because he thinks it's in the best interest of america. i say the paris agreement is important for us globally in terms of dealing with climate change. that is why the uk's supported it and is continuing to support it. >> you are negotiating our departure from the eu. would that have been prudent to go along with france and germany and sign a letter to donald trump and said it being release that you were disappointed? >> it is not whether we should go along with somebody else. i spoke to donald trump. i told him my views last week. i told him last night. we remain committed to the paris agreement. we continue to think it's important for dealing with climate change internationally.
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>> that ends the first half of the program. thank you very much. >> thank you. [applause] >> will you please welcome the leader of the labour party, jeremy corbyn. [applause] >> good evening. our first question comes. >> why should the british public trust you and your peers to negotiate brexit? >> thank you for inviting me here. i'm sorry this is not a debate. i think it is a shame.
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[applause] mr. corbyn: we are very clear on brexit. the referendum took place, a decision was reached. we are leaving the european union. we will immediately legislate to guarantee the right to be in this country. we will negotiate for the european union to guarantee trade access and e.u. membership. it's crucial to protect our manufacturing industry. your point, we have a great team, of experienced people. one of the leading lawyers of this country, i think i can trust them with those negotiations. more than other people who are taking care of those negotiations. >> on question time, said
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britain would absolutely be poorer after leaving the eu. do you agree with that? mr. corbyn: i don't think we necessarily would be poorer. i hope we will retain trade access. i hope we will have a labor government investing in the growing government and challenging inequality that exists in this country at the same time. >> david cameron asked for a few concessions and got nothing because they knew that he would want to stay in the eu. if the eu understands your position, no deal is a bad deal, you've got no chance. [applause] mr. corbyn: i've made it clear. we accept the results of a referendum. it's important to go from that point. i've made the point to trade access, and there is an interest on both sides of the channel.
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most manufacturing companies have supply chains here in europe and vice versa. we are not approaching these negotiations by threatening europe or setting up a tax haven for big corporations in this country. we are saying we want to continue that trading relationship outside the european union. a sensible relationship with them is important. i will approach those negotiations to get that relationship in the future. [applause] >> what exactly do you think the british people meant who voted to leave? what do you understand by leave the eu? what does that mean to you? what is it that matters? mr. corbyn: it means we withdraw from the treaty of rome. we withdraw from the 1972 decision to join the european union.
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it means there is no longer a legislative authority over the u.k. law within the eu or a parliamentary consent for it. it means we have to have an independent and separate relationship with the european union. we've got two years to negotiate. i can't wait to get started to make sure that we do retain manufacturing industries and service industry jobs in britain that are essential to our economy and growth. threatening will not work. [applause] >> is your intention to remain in the single market? do you think that is possible? mr. corbyn: our aim is to have a tariff free trade access. i think we should put it in those terms. >> you on the far side. the man over there. you have spoken. >> will you rule out doing a deal with nicola sturgeon in the
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event of a home parliament. you will be a negotiating as you would expect with the eu at that time. >> we are fighting this election to win. we are mounting a fantastic campaign to get that across of how different our politics will be. we are contesting the constituencies. we are not looking to do deals with anybody. we are not forming a coalition government. i want to form a labor with a majority -- a labor government with the majority to carry out this amazing program which gives me so much hope and opportunity. [applause] >> that wasn't the answer to my question. >> i thought your question was about deals. i said no deals. >> you in the blue shirt.
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>> given the absence of the european court of justice how we uphold accountability post brexit on a bar mental issues, air pollution we are breaching, what will happen when we leave? mr. corbyn: i want to ensure the impairment of protocols adopted protocolsironmental are adopted in the u.k. law, i think it is important to do that. it is crucial for the future of all of us that we have agreements with all of europe. on air pollution, air quality, and protection in our natural environment. i'm determined to achieve that. i deplore donald trump decision -- i deplore donald trump's decision to withdraw from the paris climate change. i would sign a letter with any other leader.
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>> steve, let's have your question. >> i run a local business. i'm faced with the possibility of higher corporation tax rates. we have alluded to the uncertainty that brexit will create. today you talked about creating jobs. can i have confidence those jobs -- mr. corbyn: i don't how big your small business is. >> five people. it could grow. it can grow in uncertain times. mr. corbyn: let's hope it does grow. just specify, what are your problems with our proposals? >> it's the rising corporation tax, the uncertainty of brexit. it is planning ahead. we have the personal taxation issues that create other issues
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down the line. >> i'm sure you recognize that there are huge problems in the funding of our public services. these have to be addressed and dealt with. we have a fully funded manifesto here. that will cost. we will raise corporation tax up to 26% by the end of parliament. that will be 2% lower than it was in 2010. less than the g7 average. what it will do is not raise corporation taxes for small and medium businesses. there will be no rise for them whatsoever. we have had a good discussion with a lot of small businesses about their problems accessing capital, because banks are not interested in them, and the need to have an investment strategy in this country. we will be forming a national investment bank to improve infrastructure across the country and develop high technology industries which i think are the future of this country.
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let the people with the skills develop the jobs and the industries in this country. so yes we are asking big corporations to take -- to pay more. but i think it is worth it. so any young person can go to university and not leave with with debt, toeave make sure school teachers to have to collect at the school paid teacher salary. i think it's worth it for a better society in which everyone can achieve something. [applause] >> i'm also working in accounting firm. we deal with large businesses as well as potential clients. my choice basically is a conservative government and a labor government. the difference, 2%, but it's a
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9% different between what the conservatives are proposing for larger businesses and what the labor government is proposing. >> it's a fair question. all of your clients i'm sure require workers at various times. they required skilled workers. if we as a society don't look at the problems throughout our school and education system and invest properly where are the skilled workers going to come from tomorrow? where are the consumers of tomorrow? it's time we looked at inequality in our society and use public investment to improve services and give real chances to everybody. poverty is a waste. people who can't the education they want, we all lose. it's a question of whether the community gets together to support everybody or just let the rich get richer.
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[applause] >> what is the overall increase in the tax take that labor, if it comes to power would expect? what kind of percentage? >> 48 billion more. which is quite a small proportion of the total. the point i'm making is, what we've got here is funding of it through corporation tax, through some new taxes. 95% of the people of this country will pay no more in tax or national insurance. others will be asked to pay more and i think it's the right thing to do. it gives us a growing economy. >> the economy as a whole is nearly 18% increase in tax take by the government. the question from jack, please. where is jack? speak away.
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a wish list orey is it just a letter to santa claus? [applause] mr. corbyn: i urge you to read it. i think it is a serious document that addresses issues that many people in this country face. we have been brave enough to put it out there with the policies that are in it. how we deal with the school funding crisis, how we make sure preschool gets 30 hours of childcare per week, play and education, how we bring back the maintenance that allows youngsters to go on to get a levels or other qualifications, and those who can get them won't end up with debt of 60,000 at the end of that. of university.
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this is nothing unusual. i think it is time for us to invest in our future. the other crisis is the question of health, mental health and social care. if we do not address it, what happens? more people suffers. women usually give up work to care for those who cannot be cared for because they're not putting enough money into it. they suffer alone and don't get the help and support that they want. we have to respect the needs of people and challenge all of us to say if we want to live in a society that genuinely cares for all we have to be prepared to deal with issues of inequality and pay for it. i'm prepared to do that. >> it's a question of funding it. i'm thinking of the chancellor's office saying, we have no money
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left. [applause] mr. corbyn: what i would say is, that austerity, public-sector workers with a 1% cap, it has hit all our schools and public services, it has caused the housing crisis. the very richest in our society have gotten richer. more and more tax giveaways at the top end and more charges at the other. it's time to rebalance it. our manifesto is a well-thought-out document that i believe is getting a lot of support and people are very excited. [applause] >> you say this manifesto is serious and well thought out. and you speak about creating an equal society free from racism and anti-semitism. but how can i believe a word of this when you as party leaders have failed to expel one of your own members for his anti-semitic remarks?
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[applause] mr. corbyn: there's no place for anti-semitism anywhere in our society and certainly in our party. members have been suspended -- if they have committed any remarks -- >> but he's not been held -- mr. corbyn: of an anti-semitic nature. those that have done that is suspended. we have a process that's independent of me within the party which investigates these and makes a decision on it. i deplore racism in any form whatsoever. the way in which the jewish people have suffered down the century, the holocaust and all that went with it was the most appalling stain in the history of mankind and i believe we have to fight racism in any form with every fiber of our being, a society that cannot challenge racism is a society that is heading for division. i will not tolerate that in our party or anywhere else.
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[applause] >> if it's something that's so important for you, how are you sufficed with suspending him for a short period of time? >> he is being suspended and further investigations may or may not happen after the elections. he has been suspended. but he's suspended so the investigation -- david: yes, you. >> oh, i heard you recently comment that black and ethnic minority potential has been not -- locked under conservative and do you plan to free up an lock -- and unlock it. i want some clarification as to how exactly you want to do it?
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mr. corbyn: i didn't hear you. there was a camera in front of you. sorry about that. >> there was a recent comment that black and ethnic minority potential has been locked under conservatives. i want some clarifications as to how to unlock it or help? mr. corbyn: the issues are the poverty in britain. the difference are in spending compared to other areas and there are serious issues about the number of young black people, particularly young men who are part of the criminal justice system or end up in youth justice institutions or end up in mental health institutions. we have to look at levels of racism in our society if you like racism that's almost to an institutionalized nature, that has to be looked at. one of the issues we put forward was, consider how difficult it can be for somebody with an african name or a muslim name to
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get a short list to get an interview with a job compared to others. one suggestion is a suggestion that may become a policy is that we should have blind applications for jobs where there are no names involved and your qualifications so that there can be a fair assessment of that person because we are a multi-ethnic, multi-lingual, multi-cultural society. if it didn't give everybody a fair chance, then we end up with division. i want to see a country that comes together and is not divided by poverty or by discrimination. [applause] david: ok. when they come back to education and the economy in a moment. but let's have this question from adam murgatroyd. >> if britain were under eminent threat from a nuclear weapon, how would you react? mr. corbyn: i would do anything
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to ensure that any threat was dealt on earlier on by negotiations or any talks so that we adhere by our nuclear proliferation agreement and that , we encourage china to do its work in bringing third-party talks and we do a deal with iran which would result in them not developing the nuclear capability. i think the idea of anyone ever using a nuclear weapon anywhere in the world is utterly appalling and terrible. it would result in the destruction of the lives and communities and environment for millions of people. and so i would be actively engaged to insure that danger didn't come about. i would also be very aware of other dangers that we face. cyber attacks hit on our national health service a couple of weeks ago, the dreadful terrorist attack in manchester indicates terrorism that can
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and take lives. we have to be secure here. we have to protect our society and our country. but we also have to engage in the rest of the world to make sure we don't have huge, ungoverned spaces such as libya which can become the basis of some terrible events that are going to take the lives of many other people. you have to deal with those issues here and globally. that is a function of a responsible government. [applause] david: your party -- your party is commissioned to renewing trident. are you saying there are no circumstances where you would use nuclear weapons? [applause] mr. corbyn: i would view the idea of having to use a nuclear weapon as something that was resulting in a failure in the whole world diplomatic system. there has to be no first use. there has to be a process of engagement to bring about global nuclear disarmament. it's not going to happy quickly or easy. but we have to have that wish.
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you cannot think of a world where we could all be destroyed by a nuclear war. david: you say you wouldn't use first use. in a retaliatory use -- mr. corbyn: i would say no first use of the weapon. that has to be the basis on what we do. david: adam, does that answer your question? >> it's concerning that you wouldn't look at that. what particularly annoy me that trident is heaven forbid the potential. it goes beyond that many, many decades into the future. when you're making the decision whether to support this it's not for right here or right now it's for threats in the future. [applause] >> fair point.
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but we have to do everything we can. obviously to protect ourselves but the best protection is having good and reasonable relationships with the rest of the world so we don't descend into a mentality where there are military blocks starting, threatening each other. i'm utterly determined to do everything i can to bring about a more peaceful world. i've spent a lot of my life with u.n. and other organizations trying to bring about principle, no first use -- principle of disarmament and principles of bringing about peace around the world. that surely is something we can all work for. i think we have to recognize that there is deep inequality and injustice in the world. but the threats are a cyber security and terrorism. the other threats are actually of environmental disaster around the world and large numbers of people fleeing from environmental disaster, and environmental refugees which is why i was so disappointed in president trump's decision
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particularly for people working together to try to protect and sustain this planet. we've only got one planet. let's get together when we live on it and above all, can we not destroy it? [applause] >> let me come back to the nuclear issue. you said you would have no first use. you wouldn't counter britain's nuclear deterrent, but your>> party is rebuilding, maintaining. you wouldn't have a first use. it raises the question, under direct attack would you use it in retaliation? what would you do with the most expensive defense weapon that we have? are you saying you would never use it? mr. corbyn: the most effective use is not to use it because it's there. david: are you saying there are no circumstances under which you would use it?
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mr. corbyn: it's disastrous for the planet. there has to be disarmament. david: that's the idea. but what about the reality that you may have to use it? [applause] i'm just asking for a simple answer. mr. corbyn: the reality is that we have to obviously try to protect ourselves. we would not use it as first use. and if we did use it, millions are going to die. you have to think this through. david: all right. >> would you use it a second use? would you allow north korea or somebody in iran to bomb us and say we better start talking? you'd be too late. you're going to have to do it --
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mr. corbyn: of course not. of course i would not do that. >> you would allow them to do it? mr. corbyn: of course not. that's why i made the point a short time ago that president obama's agreement to be up held. --is quite important, >> impossible. impossible. >> you're asking a massive wish when you have one of the biggest arsenal by your side. i rather you use it than not use it in today's day in age. [applause] david: you want to comment on that? [laughter] all right. anybody. the woman there. yes. let's just stick with this and we'll move on. >> i actually have a question
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regarding human rights. just before, this i one so keen -- i do not understand why so many people in this room are keen on killing millions of people. [applause] i think it's worth moving on from that particular debate because we are talking about murdering people. and i want to ask a significant question about your immigration policy. you mentioned that you want to reunite family specifically that been divided. by migration policies. my husband was deported in december. he was told too highly educated despite getting a master's degree. i want to know whether you would consider reducing the financial threshold for family migration to be further in line with the national minimum wage or living wage? >> yes, our manifesto has addressed this issue. it is very painful some of the decisions that are made where
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the frankly arbitrary level of income is chosen. families are split apart. couples are split apart and people like the person you're talking about have invested a huge amount of time in this country and then removed from this country. who loses? we all lose, the family lose, the children lose, we lose as a society. and we will change those immigration laws so there can be proper family reunion. that has to be the right and sensible thing to do. [applause] david: are you in favor of reducing immigration overall in the country? mr. corbyn: what i think will happen is this that we have managed migration from outside europe which is based on family reunion and skilled investment. we have removed it from the european union. that ends. we'll leave the european union.
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those that have migrated to this country have made a massive contribution. the health of all of us depends on the workers done by many people who have made their home here. what i think what will happen is there will be some reduction in european migration because we will also prevent there being recruitment of groups of low paid workers from central europe to come here, to undermine existing conditions that are not very good themselves and damage the life chance of people in this country and be not very good for those who have been brought in. we will end overseas only recruitment and end those contractual arrangement particularly by people who are brought in 2 construction -- who are brought in the construction industry. i have another issue which i do have to address and that is the skill shortage in britain because we have not invested enough in industrial training. we have not invested enough in skilled training. we have not informsed enough in training more doctors and
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nurses. until we do that, then we've got a big problem. our whole approach to the manifesto is about investment in the future. [applause] david: i'm thinking of what your brexit secretary said which is there's been a huge amount of immigration. people understand they're concerned about. i think it should be reduced. when people voted brexit, do you think immigration was at the forefront of their mind? >> i think it was a big factor. i don't think it was the only factor but it was a big factor. there was also an issue that communities and local government are often not sufficiently funded to deal with groups of people coming in. and so we would restore what gordon brown had in 2009 which is migrant impact -- migrant impact fund. david: go ahead. >> mr. corbyn, wee talked about -- we talked about nuclear weapons before. but as someone who has worked in the family business is changes in the minimum wage.
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i read your manifesto and you plan on increasing the minimum wage to 10 pounds. forecasters say that 14,000 people could lose their jobs because of those increases in wages. what statistic have you been given by your economist or whoever works for you as to how many jobs would be lost if its goes to 10 pounds an hour? how would you help the business -- the micro businesses in the united kingdom who employ many people in the minimum wage and already struggle to do that? mr. corbyn: fair point. fair question. when the minimum wage was first introduced after the 19997 -- after the 1997 elections mr. corbyn: fair point. there were similar concerns and predictions which turned out not to be the case. in fact, it was not any substantial loss of numbers -- >> the wage increases were so small -- if you look at the economic comments around that time, the wage increases were so small, all the commentators said that. this is a massive wage change. there is such a bigger margin.
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of error then what was brought in in 1999. >> so now in your policies than what was brought in in 1999. mr. corbyn: come back to your point. what we're proposing is 10 pounds an hour by 2020 that would be a living wage that would reduce the department of worker pension somewhat because you would reduce benefits for people who are paid for. there are more companies who shouldn't be paying just the minimum. there are companies like that would have problems. we fully recognize that. we would work with them either to give them tax relief or support in order to make sure the living wage, the real living wage was paid but they didn't close down as a result of it because as a society we have six million people earning less than the living wage. there are a million people on zero contracts. we have wage levels the proportion on the national level falling. more money would mean people are better off and an economic
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boost. i absolutely recognize the problem for small and micro businesses that's why there would be support from the government to achieve it. [applause] edward, i just want to hear from edward robins because mr. corbyn just mentioned the issue. edward robins. where is edward robins? put your hand up. yes. >> there are contracts for students like myself to get easy work. how would these contracts affect us? [applause] mr. corbyn: first of all, there are contracts for many people mean a lifetime of stress and a lifetime of great difficulty. imagine if it's like if your sole source of income is a zero contract job. imagine if you employer wants you that day or not, that week or not. you don't know what your income is going to be. i do understand your point about
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students and others. some employers say ok. we need people in a bar, in a job in a packaging place. those kind of enterprises. we will pay you x-number of hours per week on a flexibilities basis so you will have an average pay of say 10wea hours per week. those people are loyal to the company. those people know what their income is going to be. and that seems to be a much fairer way of doing it so you have a security of what's going on. and there are some employers who do that with students and it works quite well. >> what's your reaction? i'm not going to stop you working. it's ok. >> well, i was talking about more coming from us having the option for students and us employed saying we want to work this time and this time and not just getting told you're working this many hours. mr. corbyn: working when you
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choose. >> working for a delivery service. mr. corbyn: the agreement should be you come to a discussion with the employer. i can work six hours on monday. three hours on the weekend. something like that. it's not simple to manage for any employer. i fully understand that but it does give the security to the individual. it also gives the employer a wide range of work for worker who are willing to work and will be loyal to that employer. >> why have we never regarded the i.r.a. as terrorists? [applause] mr. corbyn: i have deplored terrorists anywhere. the good friday agreement recognized their different pasts and brought about the idea of a power sharing government in northern ireland.
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i think that was an enormous achievement. it's been copied elsewhere in the world. i don't approve of any terrorism any sort or any terrorism acts of any sort. it only divides people and kills people. >> it killed lots of people. [applause] >> you have to answer the >> it did kill a lot of people, didn't it? >> all deaths are wrong. all killing is wrong. we have to develop and we did in northern ireland eventually a very effective peace process. i think we should pay tribute to those in the communities as well as those in the nationalists community for coming together to bring about that peace process. it was a truly remarkable experience, ok? you, sir? >> you didn't want to speak? >> who me? >> you have the hand up. >> you've got the microphone. >> you said you didn't support the i.r.a. you've also supported other
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terrorist organizations. and you expect the british people to vote for you when you sat there and supported them. we see you. [applause] mr. corbyn: i have not supported any of those organizations. what i said is and i'm sure you'll agree with it that if you'll bring about a peace process in the middle east or in ireland or in colombia, there has to be a coming together. >> you are talking wednesday and was killing our people, your women and people. you were talking to them. >> there has to be -- well, i was talking to representatives of the republican movement, yes. and so was the government at the same time. ian paisley was indeed thrown out of parliament when he told margaret thatcher she was talking to them. i voted that paisley shouldn't be voted out. i thought his voice should be heard in parliament.
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you have to bring about a peace process by talking to people who you don't agree with. [applause] if you just talk amongst your friends, you don't get a peace process. >> are you done? you keep poking the man in front of him. >> do you want to speak? are you trying to speak? >> i wasn't -- but i can do it. >> oh, ok. >> you've talked to these people in the past. you talked earlier about the nuclear option. talking is the way you want to go. >> yeah. >> david said in the programs, telling the public to press the red button. are you saying you will never ever under any circumstances press a red button? >> i think we've discussed this at some length about the aspirations we all have. i do not want to be responsible for the destruction of millions of people. neither do you. [applause] therefore we have to work in a world where it's not in use.
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>> it's all very well for our socialists to stand there with his nice little red book and say we're going to fund all these lovely programs by taking more money from big business. but what's your plan for the economy when those businesses turn around and say, oh, you can keep your high taxes we'll go elsewhere? [applause] mr. corbyn: well, you look at the business you're talking about and they're doing very well. they've done extremely well over the past six years because their taxes have been cut a great deal. i think we have to look at the problems of our public services. we have to look at the issues of what kind of economic future we have. we cannot go on being a lowell problems of our public services, underspending on our public services, investing less than any other industrialized country in our future. i would much prefer that we develop a national investment
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, that we improve investment in our industry for the future. we have a lower proportion of industry than germany. we have a low-level of productivity than germany. we have a lower skill base than germany. why is there a difference? because successful german governments almost irrespective of which party is of being prepared to informs in their infrastructure and their future. i think we should think about that and improve the economy of our own society. and you know what, that would lead to better economic growth. it would lead to better opportunities for everybody. and i think this is an offer that's important. and i think it's time that we actually invested in our future rather than presided over our decline. [applause] if i understood him he is saying businesses may leave under the taxation. >> there's the issue of uncertainty with brexit. we saw companies say will we stay and will we go?
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what's their incentive to stay? >> the tax level would be less than there is anywhere in the major industrial countries of western europe anyway. the crucial thing and you're right to raise it has to be gaining tariff-free access in the market as a basis in which they can continue. if they are as they are in the country, they manufacture aircraft parts, satellite parts and the final assembly for the aircraft takes place in talus. in other places. some parts are made in spain. that fine assembly takes place. if we don't have that tariff to the european market, are they going to stay? would they want to stay? ask yourself that question. you could say for many other manufacturing enterprises. that's why you have to maintain that economic relationship with europe outside of the membership
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of the european union. that's the best way of growing manufacturing economy in britain but you also have a government that's investing alongside them to improve skill level -- and improve communications. >> a very great point from you, sir. >> we were talking about security earlier. and a few months ago, you quoted -- well, you've said on television that one of the things you would do if you were successful in coming into government was perform a strategic defense review. now, we've just gone through a strategic defense review. why do we need another one? >> every government that comes into office does a strategic defense review. there are serious issues about supplies, maritime equipment and there's a crucial issues of cyber security and terrorist
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attacks. i don't believe you make the society safer by getting rid of 20,000 police officers as this government has done since 2000 -- since 2010. [applause] >> hannah lindsay, please. hannah lindsay, very quickly if you would. >> is it right to scrap university tuition fees when there is so much else to do in terms of living equality for people in britain? [applause] >> 11 billion has past a quarter of your entire spending. why university fees? [applause] >> i think we should invest in education for the future. and i do think that abolishing university tuition fees has got a chance to go to university and get in. if you look at the application process, a number of working class students is dropping. i want to see real access for everybody. i think that's a right thing to do. it would not be unusual in many other parts of the world to do
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this. listen, as a young person basically i have the offer of free education. i didn't take it up. i'm not complaining about it. it's not up to me to pull up the ladder on the generation that's coming behind. i want to see a generation that works for all so that every child can work to their full potential irrespective of their background and life chances. >> mr. corbyn, we have to stop you there. thank you very much, indeed. [applause] david: that brings us to the end of this edition of question time. thank you all for coming here to put questions to the two parties. we are going to be back on sunday. nicholas sturgeon and tim of the liberal democrats that's on bbc on sunday. until then from york, good night.
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