tv Washington Journal Mort Kondracke Discusses the Political Center CSPAN July 5, 2017 9:05am-9:38am EDT
if it ever took on the powers of the executive the legislative branches and indeed, when it has done so, and has done so in many instances, it has been a very government.anch of so there is a constant battle in the judiciary between those who believe that constitution is an evolving a document at is that the judges should look at our time, ally in what -- how should this read, but how oes it read, should it read, and the judges in our system who believe that constitution is eternal, that there is a way to amend the constitution, not by judicial legislation, but by the the ment process that framers set out in the onstitution and its
illegitimate for judges to themselves amend the constitution. the resolution of that enduring battle is absolutely vital to freedom in our country. > "washington journal" continues. host: we welcome mort kondracke the "washington journal" via skype to talk about to clearpolitics, call revive america's political center. why are you putting out there and what do you want to see? the : well, the left and right in this country are tearing the country apart. they barely talk to each other, they're fighting all the time in washington. gets done. we don't have an infrastructure program. reform. have a tax we -- our education system is world standards. here's just lots and lots, the median income of the average
worker hasn't risen since 1999. lot of stuff needs to and ne and polarization paralysis in washington dominate and nothing gets done. have got people yelling at each other, screaming at each other, shooting at each case of the congressional baseball team, team, which aseball was almost massacred. country is headed for deep, deep division if it is already, so what i'm calling upon is for who havepeople, people the respect of the public and i'm talking about people like secretaries of state and baker, george schultz and pinetta, and
arious leaders and business leaders to get together. i'm sure that they're all sidelines the distraught at what they see happening to the country. weaker, try is getting when america's divided, american i'm sureer country and vladamir putin knows it, so i ould like these people to get together and decide that they are going to bolster the center.al there really is a center in the united states. there are several groups, which naming, no labels, trying to ich are come up withenter, policies both democrats and epublicans could agree to and advance them. eds, get on rite op television about them. colin u know, you had and l and bill gates
advocating and rice we would cs policy, get somewhere. the country is very divided, but being ter is just not helped by people who have the power to help it. to hear from centrists, if you define a centrists, 202-748-8000. 202-748-8001. themselves dentify as centrist,is there a platform centrist? do you have to believe certain hings to be a centrist in this country? guest: well, have you to believe in moderate talk, in civility, bipartisan cooperation.
othing is going to get done seriously unless it's done in a bipartisan basis, as we've over againd over and with healthcare. system is the most expensive in the world per thata and delivers results are not much better than the turkey, so the system eeds to be approved, the it their way, they got defeated in the next election, the republicans are trying to excludethe democrats nd writing it themselves and rewriting the healthcare system know, ves and they, you people are screaming at them at town meetings. you know, that is something that a bipartisan on basis. the whole one for figure out how to restore the american dream
class, american working for the american middle class. involves lifelong education. he ink trump is right, when advocates apprenticeship programs, everybody doesn't have but i also lege, think the k-12 education system approved.vastly you know, we ranked 26th in the orld in math and science and reading, among all the industrialized countries, so work to do lot of and the working on those problems and there are solutions to those problems, are job one. i think the last election was the y donald trump because hite working class fundamentally is discussed it with the way the politicians ave been ignoring them or demeaning them and i think that
has to stop. ost: one group you mentioned was no labels. chairman,ormer center, co-chair, lieberman at an event washington, d.c. want to play for the viewers. >> at the level of the american not really as divided as a lot of people would suggest. look at the polling, the in america people are in strt right to the center not at the re extremes. extremes. but in washington, it doesn't like the way, feels majority has been squeezed out by the extremes. the i'm saying, we have numbers, what we need is the the organization to put those numbers and the common comes with them back
government. host: he mentions there, we need he will and the organization, is the will there in this country? is there a passion for this vision? guest: the problem with that sts and moderates is they're moderate, they are not passionate. to be given have and if these on leaders that i'm talking about, them, avyweights, i call in this article, got together agenda, ced the demanded that the congress solve america's problems, that the center would respond. every exit poll at a presidential election asks, are you a moderate? conservative? are you a liberal? of people dd percent
identify themselves as liberals, 0% identify themselves as conservatives and 40-something percent identify themselves as moderates. know, i think that the will potential, but people are discouraged. you know, they don't know about organization, they don't know about people who are sensible policies. you know, the news media unfortunately, i don't think, much.them about it very oomph, what strt needs and i think various leaders no labels, e oomph, for example, has policy agenda, sensible.uite it's going to come up with in her policy agenda eptember, that one former
democratic white house aide bill former and one republican white house aide, bill crystal, are going to put arguably n what are the most divisive issues in the immigration, trade, advancements, jobs, i mean, those are the things that basically making the middle we haven'tus because solved it, haven't advanced them. labels, among other groups, and there are several other groups that are on the move, money, they need think , they need -- i they need high-level backing. no labels is trying to organize got a couple followers, but d know.ows about it, you if the james bakers and the
schultzs and the zuckerbergs d or the no labels entrist project or represent dot-us, a reform organization, you know, i think rally moderates. host: let's let you talk to callers, including self-described centrists. you areview, tennessee, on. caller: good morning, mort, good john.g, i'm sort of an old cogger here, over to 70 pretty quick. i've absorbed a lot and observed a lot. claiming a whole lot of
the actual, what we see, but not jest is what is causing this. describing the same, in the actual problems are the same faced since has the beginning of time, when we some sort of rd position, like spiritual, when our government policies and our attitudes become so perobingial so partisan they become persona.l and whole when we claim your persona is not important and we disqualify being, you will fight back and vice versa. we have to find another sos solution to this, not just keep hammering like we have centuries, sir. host: larry, got your point.
mort kondracke. guest: i think fundamentally manners the kind of that our parents tried to teach us about civil behavior toward and respecting the humanity of other people, people facebook and -- you know, are bullying like yelling at each other, though the person on the other end isn't a person. a sense ight, it is in spiritual. and t is getting worse worse. in networks make it worse some spaces, not c-span, by the way. by essee is a state where and large, you produce moderate,
sensible leaders. alexander, lamar bill haslow, the governor, they are sensible people. get your sense on the network debates that happen today, the political and how you happen tried to have those debates on the various programs you were on years, beltway boys, or when you were on the mclocklinburg. guest: i like to joke when i was group in 1982, that i was present at the beginning of the civil discourse in america. popular, n became very but i remember in the beginning the e used to say having on your t.v. up was like inviting a couple to dinner and having them fight all the time on your couch. a joke, it wasn't really decline of the
civil discourse. mclaughlin anticipated what was going to happen anyway. news underort on fox br brett mayer are the most civilized show on fox news. much, buts not saying they are and the panel was on and that i panel discussions that continue with charles groundhammer and hayes and such people are thoughtful ey are basically been lucky, the shows that i've been on even mclaughlin was ruckus it wasn't name calling. host: another centrist, ronnie, southern pines, north carolina. good morning. caller: good morning. taking my call.
just wanted to make a couple of comments. oing from bad to worse and it started way back administrations ago, when people started calling people they did not agree with, all names and nobody called them it.on i'm talking about people at the spectrum.e political other atching msnbc the day, since bill crystal was table when the current president was being didn'tawful names and he call them out on it, either. i was disappointed to see that. i don't care what side of the from, all aisle you're the name calling has to stop and it stops there. host: mort kondracke.
guest: yeah, look, the president f the united states is not acting very presidential with calling s and his name and i think that the media actually have become obsessed his tweets and are not paying attention to his which are goodof and some are which are terrible, to my mind. will deport criminal aliens or get rid of the rapists and the murderers and the gang members among illegal in fact, we're deporting lots of grandmothers grandfathers and parents and people who get picked up for violations. and they're the ones getting out just as much. the resources of the federal government are not being devoted getting rid of nasty
ordinary, s, but to hard-working illegals. know, those policies have ot been paid attention to. some attention to the fact rex the rson is undercutting american foreign service. class of young foreign service officers that were supposed to join the he's n service this year, cancelled. ou know, all those policies need to be paid attention to. sometimes the media are as narcissistic as our president. flemmington, new jersey, david on the line for all others. good morning. aller: good morning, thank you both for letting me ask a question. my question is, during those history, when two major parties were the most separated to the left and right did this correlate with
greater political involvement of general public? well, you know, differences, passion does intend political participation. youoesn't necessarily mean, know, that things, good things get done. at the most u look active period, the civil war involved, you know, several thousands of people, several hundreds of thousands of passion, a lot of participation. people were shooting at each other. era was an era of high political participation, ou had riots and you had shootings at kent state and you vicious language.
and people a draft were being sent over in what a stupidle regarded as war, even though there is a decent argument we might have it, you know, that sort of atmosphere encourages political people areon because passionate, as they are now. are they passionate constructively? is anybody getting anything done? democrats are encouraged by to be "the resistance," which means if they trump pprove anything proposes, you know, are we better off? i think not. i think now partly it is trump's fault. trump should have started his dministration with a combination fax reform and infrastructure program. he promised to do both, you
bipartisan ten cooperation at the beginning of the administration, chuck schumer and paul ryan worked out combination of tax reform and in 2015, it e back torpedoed because they didn't want the other side to get credit for it. bewas on the table, ready to done, trump could have done it and would have gotten himself a win and set the administration off in a direction. instead, they have taken up healthcare, and all it is, being divisive. line for to the centrist, roger in johnstown, pennsylvania. is r, do you think there passion among centrists right now to make what mort kondracke talking about can happen? caller: well, it depends on what you're meaning and definition of centrist is. what i think is happening here a group of
opportunists trying to basically road heir middle of the position centrist when in eality you have to put in context of basically a corporate alogargy, that is not a center, that is on the right. a balance uld be between the public and private absolutely moment we do not have. we have it so shifted to the for the private domain, that is not anywhere center.e what we really need is a revolutionary center, which restore the balance and then would also reequalize some imbalance and this inequity and recenter that. host: got your point. guest: there was a book written "radical center," 10 or
12 years ago. the radical center is directed problems, of making class for prosperous, some of the policies conservative and some are liberal. seems to me that when you're alking about healthcare, what you want is coverage for everybody. you get that is a problem. debate between single pay sxer but the nsurance plan, idea that everybody, that basic a right is presu presumably a left wing idea. through thecomplish private market and say that's a, conservative 's a idea. tax reform in some respects is a
conservative idea. it would lower the rates, the en the base, simplify system, but if you got all these trillionsons that have of dollars parked overseas and back at a m bring it lower tax rate, but it would ome back to the united states nd then you insisted that they spend or devote small percentage to hat repatriated money buying infrastructure bonds so you could fix america's roads bridges and stuff like that, you know, that is presumably lot of you employ a people. o the idea of radical thinking in the center, coming up with bipartisan ding could e programs, you revolutionary, but
revolutionary, not in the sense of people marching in the streets and shooting at each the , but revolutionary in sense of their thought processes. just before we go, i think know the names of some organizations and they online. them up so it is no labels dot org. the third way is center left organization, a democratic organization, that is rying to come up, the old new democrat coalition, the democratic leadership council, what is left of it. outfit called the refo will find a ou bunch of conservatives who are these problems. there is the bipartisan policy center, which exist necessary washington, to try to come up bipartisan solution. project is trying
senate a block in the that would try to be the balance doing it. and it is state legislative level, as well. a bunch of political one is fairizations ote, which is trying to fight gerrymandering of political congressional districts and rank, order,dea of voting, which is a way of moderates elected instead of being frozen out. organization called level the playing field, which trying to get independent candidates into the presidential debates more easily than at present. possibility of a independent presidential getting into the
debate, you might get somebody one party to leave the party. we could have our own mccron, is the third party answer, i'm not exactly sure that it is. tended toies have not work in the united states, but expected it in france f. we had a leader who rist solutions nt nd he or she could get the attention mccrone managed to get in france, that might be uccess sxfl that certainly would be a radical revolutionary idea. groups that of the you just mentioned have appeared on c-span, we've talked to a lot of them. vote was just on, the chair was on this program just about a ago.or two mort kondracke, before we leave you, i did want to ask you, viewers this e
question to begin our program korean the north missile launch over the weekend. want your opinion. e are asking viewers whether containment military action, negotiations or some other solution is the right approach minute or so, st can we get your thoughts on that? uest: you know, this is the most difficult problem facing the world, i think. action, i think, would in isastrous, result destruction of south korea and i it.dn't favor i would favor cyber war fare system, the north korean economic ally strict sanctions against north korea and all the financial world that in the to do anything, including banks and so on and putting pressure on. going to ink you're
stop north korea from getting eventually nuclear warheads at the rate we're going. the chinese have to be induced do something about it and they can do something about it, much en we have to have a better missile defense system than we had. hit the r missiles missile that was aimed at and one didn't. israelis can perfect iron dome to protect hemselves against incoming missiles it seems to me the united states could protect allies against north korean missiles. you know, you presumably cannot bomb out the north korean nuclear system, it buried underground, the -- you could destroy the bad, but all
that would happen is that the unleash a ns would devastati attack on artillery seoul, could kill millions of people. i don't see military action as an option here, i think there lots of punitive options that you could use, but i don't action will work. host: we'll hear more from the in ers and their thoughts just a minute. mort kondracke appreciate your thoughts on any again.come back guest: thank you. thank you for having me. should the united states deal with north korea? containment, if that is the 202-748-8000 is the number to call in. military action, if that is where you think the military go, 202-748-8001. negotiations, for 202-748-8002. nother option, give us a call
202-748-8003. we'll be right back. interpret t. >> but the framers did warn in the ederalist papers that judiciary could become a very took ous body if it ever on the powers of the executive or the legislative branches. and indeed, when it has done so and it has done so in many instances, it has been a very dangerous branch of government. constant battle going on in the judiciary those who believe that is an evolving ocument, that is a document that the judges should look at time, , really in our what, how should this read, not how does it read, how should it read. in our system who
believe that the constitution is eternal, that there is a way to amend the constitution and not legislation, it's by the amendment process that the set out in the onstitution and illegitimate for judges to amend the constitution and the resolution battle is uring absolutely vital to the future country.m in our > "washington journal" continues. host: the "wall street journal" headline notes, tensions are on the wake of north korea successful launch tuesday missile, st ballistic capable of reaching continental united states and escalating faceoff and threatening to shift the strategic balance in the pacific, that is the lead of the "wall street journal" this morning. this story taking the lead spot in most all of the