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c-span2's book tv and sunday at 2:00 on american history tv on c-span3, working with our cable affiliates, and visiting cities across the country. former president george w. bush and bill clinton were in dallas on wednesday for a discussion about leadership and public service. they discussed their lives since leaving the white house. from the george w. bush presidential library, this is 45 minutes.
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host: let me ask you about your parents. how are they doing. pres. bush: thank you for asking. i told dad today i would be on stage with bill and you are the moderator. host: what did he say? pres. bush: he wasn't surprised. [laughter] surprised you couldn't do anybody better. pres. bush: they are doing really well, thank you very much. thefortunate enough to be only president with his parents polite after the presidency. so every day is a blessing. they are doing well, 92 and 93 years old.
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thank you for asking. i will tell them you asked. host: how is hillary doing? pres. clinton: if you knew our grandkids, you would know she's good. andwas working on her book we spend every available hour with our grandchildren. my grandson turned a year old on father's day which means every seven years, his father will celebrate mother's day on his son's birth date, which is nice. my on most three-year-old granddaughter sang happy birthday to him at his party. can yourh: granddaughter of seeing you happy birthday in mandarin? pres. clinton: no. pres. bush: my camp. [laughter] host: what do your grandchildren call you? pres. bush: i'm called jefe. pres. clinton: i'm more humble. i'm called pop pop.
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once you become a grandparent, you are immediately at the bottom of the family totem pole. you are the least important part of the family. so, we qualify. host: we will talk about your presidencies. you are now both former president's. s. what the difference between former resident and president -- former president and president? one day you have nuclear codes, the next day you have no power. what is that like? pres. clinton: they don't play the song when you walk in the room anymore. i got used to the music. [laughter] actually, it's wonderful. i have had -- it's very rarely and 17 years that i have been
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well i wishght to, i were there, i miss this, or whatever. you have to be grateful for the time you have and then realized should focus on today and the future. liberating andth also it concentrates the memory. you don't know how many years you've got left, but you feel the country has given you something priceless and you owe something back. each in our own way, we tried to figure that out. i found that really rewarding part of my life. pres. bush: i woke up in crawford. [laughter] presidency,r the expecting someone to bring me a coffee. [laughter] laura did not bring the copy. [laughter]
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laura did not bring the coffee. [laughter] i think it was more the sense of not having any responsibility. you become accustomed to response ability you had. at first it's pretty great, then slowly but surely it becomes a natural part of your life. then you wake up and you have no responsibility. that was the most stunning thing from it. host: but you have somebody on the opposite clinical party telling you it's an awful idea. .t was hard when you are a fellow president, the think it's easier to get things done? pres. bush: yes, depending on what you try to do. pres. clinton: you have to realize what you don't have and what you do. true -- i love the job and all the responsibilities. it's amazing how much of every day is taken up by things you
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have to do as president and by the incoming fire. example,as, for running on those debates with al guys he said, what are you going to do if al qaeda blows up the world trade center? you see this in a lot of different ways. if you don't do any incoming fire, it will undermine your ability to do anything else. if all you deal with is incoming fire, you can't keep the conversation back. so it's a lot of trouble. when you get out, you change all that power. whatever influence you have or whatever your context influenced you to do, you have to decide what to do and everybody makes different decisions. president carter collapsed today -- he's fine -- he was building
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habitat houses in canada. that's what he decided he wanted to do. it, he went into one of the biggest homebuilding operations in the world. we all have to make these decisions. i don't think it's that easy, frankly, to get things done necessarily. one of the great compliments was the building of this building and the installation of programs that we think makes a difference. it was hard work to get there. there was not an appropriations bill. [laughter] when former presidents get happens atich funerals unfortunately and when libraries open, it's not common. what is it like in the back room? what do you guys say to each other? do tell secrets you never tell anybody else? we generally ask
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when is it going to start and when is it going to end? [laughter] pres. clinton: it's unusual with office, i when i left told him, if i can ever help you that i will do it. if i can't in good conscious, i won't, but i will never embarrass you in public. and hillary was a senator. i said, she will make some comments that make against your policy or not, but i will always be precise -- respectful. he gave me one of the great gifts, a chest to work with his father after the tsunami in south asia and after the
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treatment. and we had a heck of a time doing it. host: talk about that for a moment. you ran against president bush 41. it was a bitter campaign. he was defeated for reelection. how did you manage to create a close relationship? wasn't that difficult or awkward at times? how did you come together? pres. clinton: it helps that we had some contact before. i represented the democratic governors when he decided to embrace these natural education goals and he asked governors to help. then we started working together. cheapd never to take a shot. disagreed, we found things we could do together. is, like i said, he deserves all the credit toause if he hadn't asked us
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do the tsunami work, i'm not sure the relationship would have ever happened the way it it. we liked eating together. -- being together. sometimes you click with people, sometimes you don't. i always admired him. i completely supported what he of thethe aftermath collapse of the soviet union, supporting the european union, supporting the efforts he made and i made as you see today, with mixed results, to integrate russia into the family of democracy and everything. togetherrted working on this tsunami thing. it is easy to forget because it was a long time ago. they lost 300,000 people in a matter of minutes in several countries and then president bush said america has to do our part. most people couldn't find those
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countries on the map, but they were part of the global community and he was willing to take their fair share of responsibility for. host: how did you become close -- pres. clinton: i have a different -- pres. bush: i have a different take on that. i think it starts with bill clinton being a person who hang his victory over death. he was humble. willing to rise above the political contest. it starts with the individuals character and both men in my judgment displayed strong character. so therefore the friendship was able to before. why do i have a friendship with him? he's called a brother with a different mother. [laughter]
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when you campaign, you are campaigning against something that clinton administration had done in 2000? probably.: yeah, we are both baby boomers, we are southern governors, we had a lot of -- a lot in common. we had friends in common. ability to natural respect and like each other. if you disagree with someone, it doesn't mean you don't like him. pres. clinton: also, i recognize that he was 34 days older than me. [laughter] days, i told him i am calling you on bended knee. because this begins might 44 days of respect for my elders. [laughter]
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i would call bill -- pres. bush: i would call bill and he was very helpful. he knew a lot about a variety of issues, particularly international affairs that i was interested in. i could count on him for good advice and he was gracious in receiving my calls. host: president clinton, you've done something unique. a lot of us recognize that there is somebody who's a student body president and everybody thinks this guy could be president, but none of them have made it to you. you were the only person who was a student leader from the beginning who made it to president of the united states. what was the factor that drove you that kept you being such a leader? ,ost people burn out and say they don't still one of the a leader. what do you think the qualities that were instilled by your mother or what? pres. clinton: i lost two
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elections along the way, which kind of keeps you humble. i think it's way overrated. basically, we are the last iteration that was born without a television. i was 10 years old before we got the television. i grew up in a conversational culture where people actually talked and listened to each other. i don't know how these people make it today. the average president talks eight seconds on television, snapchat 10 seconds, twitter is 140 characters. around meals.ed carat my father died in a wreck before i was born so i spent a lot of time with my grandparents and their generation and my great uncle was the smartest guy in our family and he presided over our conversations and he involved the kids in them.
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he told me that everybody has a story and most people cannot tell it and that is sad. and the people are inherently interest if they get out of their own way. so i was taught to listen and to look and i really think that's what it is. i always felt i would have a better life and i could help someone else have a better life, too. i just got lucky. i don't care what anybody says. i often think that i was partially responsible for your being elected president because i worked in the white house for president carter and you might record toward the end of your first term as governor, we put a arkansas,t people in which made it impossible for you to be elected. you were driven so much harder to work for president later on. yes, i don't:
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think i adequately thank you for doing that. [laughter] not: at the time, you were -- i work in the carter white house and i got inflation to 19%, which enabled president reagan to get elected and your father to be vice president. i think clinton had a better role than you did because i don't think i would have run for governor if he had not defeated death in 1992. it would've been difficult and 1994 because i would've spent my time defending president george h.w. bush. by losing, it enabled brother run on our owno for governor in our respective states. host: both of you ran for congress the first time you rant and you both lost. you are trying to beat an incumbent compass minerals and you lost.
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incumbenty, -- congressman and you lost. did you say, i'm done what politics -- with politics? pres. clinton: iran against a congressman who was -- i ran against a congressman who was one of his father's friends. -- a 99% approval rate. we wound up being friends. this district we ran in had the highest amount of gasoline used for registered vehicles in america. you had to do stuff people don't do anymore. learned 75% of what i know
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about politics in that first race. host: it was that time hillary clinton came and helped you in the campaign. did you think at that time she would stay in arkansas and mary you? thensas was not considered place that was the center of the universe, exactly. pres. clinton: i did not know. having just one step at a time, i asked her twice to marry me and she said no both times. smart girl. the third time, i told her, just come down here and they offered her a job teaching. she had nothing else to do. was workingb, she for a committee. when that was over, she took the job and it worked out pretty well. married, youu got said to your wife, i don't want to make speeches. you implied you weren't going to get in politics. pres. bush: no, not true.
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[laughter] we got married in november and the next year i campaign for congress. i have since never had to give up political speech and she did. [laughter] host: and she was pretty good at it. when you lost the house seat. pres. bush: 1978. host: did you give up politics? while, but for a like bill said, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. host: when you decided to run against the incumbent, your mother and father said you had no chance of winning. pres. bush: father didn't say that, mother did. [laughter] host: what did you say when you won? pres. bush: are you going to come to the inauguration? [laughter]
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host: when both of you became president, your father had become president, you had a father that was not a president. what was the biggest surprise for you? learned the secrets, the nuclear codes, all the crises we might be getting into. what was the biggest surprise you found and when did it hit you that you were the most powerful man in the world? pres. clinton: harry truman said that the most amazing thing about being president, he spent most of your time talking people to do things you want them to do without asking them in the first place. of therprised me, one --t eggs of governor being being governor in
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the small southern state is that removed from the american population that they don't see you as a real person. a former lieutenant governor loved george bush and he helped him be a better governor. beinge just used to people and dealing with people and it really surprised me how easily i could be turned into a two-dimensional cartoon instead of a three-dimensional human being. you have to discipline yourself about what to talk about, how to talk about it and you have to keep remembering there is all these layers between you and people that did not used to be that. that surprised me. i thought i was a good communicator.
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i felt on my face until i figured out how to do it. host: you became president at a very young age. if you had been president at 56 or 66, d you think it would have been different -- do you think it would have been different? i think i would have been better in some mice if i had been older. but i think i would have been not as good in some ways because sometimes you are too dumb to know you can't do it. you show up and you keep trying to do it. your father was president, so you are obviously in the white house and saw what he did right and what he might have did wrong. did you take lessons from that? pres. bush: i learned a lot from watching him. i was not interested in separation and he wasn't either. we had a great father-son relationship. i learned a lot from watching
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him. i decided i was going to go into the oval office to see what it felt like. unbeknownst to me, he had asked dad to come in. i was sitting at the desk there, just taking it all in and in walks my dad. i said, welcome, mr. president. he said, thank you, mr. president. host: opposite like to walk into the oval office for the first time -- your mother walked into the oval office when you became the president of the united states. pres. bush: she laughed out loud. [laughter] pres. clinton: on the other running,n i started she was the only one who thought i had a chance to win. because, myeel good mother had a pretty tough life.
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she had a pretty tough life. she got up at 5:00 every morning and got herself ready and was at work by 7:00 and did everything she could to take care of me, so i was proud to be able to show it to her. and she was ill then, but she lived another year. just a little more than another year, about the time -- she died the next january 6. host: what is it like to live in the white house? pres. clinton: -- pres. bush: do you know what my mother said? get your feet off the jeffersonian table. [laughter] was only one woman who ever had a son become president of the united states whose father had also been president, abigail adams, it i
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don't think she was alive when john quincy adams became president. she was the only person to see her husband and her son. you are living in the white house, some people call it a prison because you can't really get out very much, or you enjoy it and you have all of these servants, you can go to camp david when you want. it is a pleasure or not so much? pres. bush: if you live an informal life -- pres. clinton: if you live an informal life -- in the governor's mansion, it is very different. i was basically self-support from the time i was 19. it took some getting used to, but i developed a real respect and affection for the people that worked there and i developed an enormous amount of respect for the secret service and the risks they take, and i adjusted myself accordingly.
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i love living in the white house. the lastr very vividly time i got off the helicopter marine one and walked into the white house as president before i would soon be gone and he would be there, and i was consciously aware that i was going in there more optimistic that i was about america than i did the first time. i never got tired of it. host: did you like living in the white house? pres. clinton: i did. -- pres. bush: i did. it was great. they pamper you, and we knew a lot of the staff. many of the same when bill was there, and when dad was there. it is great. place. really historic it is comfortable. i loved every minute of living your. host: -- living there. host: what is it like at camp david? a city great place to have a
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retreat and relax, or is it overrated? pres. bush: -- pres. clinton: it is a great place. most at thanksgiving, because i would bring all of the family and liked it when chelsea could bring her friends up there. you have a little more -- at least are under the illusion you have more freedom to wander around. it is great to just get away. lot. bush: i went there a and we went there a lot. probably used it more than any president. maybe ronald reagan did more, but the reason we went a lot is, to invite friends we grew up with in midland, for example, show them the oval office at camp david. the other thing i liked about it a lot was i love exercise and the place is set up for a lot of hiking, running, mountain biking, there is a wonderful gym
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there. i found it liberating. host: mountain biking is dangerous and you have fallen a couple of times. but you haven't given it up? pres. bush: no, i still ride. host: you don't worry about breaking things? pres. bush: no. pres. clinton: that was jumping out of planes at 85. host: you play golf, but you obviously lost weight since the presidency with the vegan diet. how did you do that? have alinton: when you quadruple heart bypass and you want to live to be a grandfather , i didn't give it a second thought. i realized i was highly prone to arterial blockage and i literally want to to see -- live to be a grandfather. good genes,ho has
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i am the oldest person in my family and regenerations. i want to be around, i am having a good time being alive. [laughter] if you could run for president of the united states or former president of the united states, what would you recommend? what is the better job? the only 13 people in our history who served two consecutive terms. you rather do that or be a former president for 30 or 40 years? what is more enjoyable? pres. bush: first of all, it depends on how you keep score, but you have got to live a long time as a former president to have any impact as as many people as you can as president. i have tried to do the best i could on that but if you give me a choice, i would take two terms. pres. clinton: the rate -- pres. bush: i would too.
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the reason is you have a monumental effect on a lot of people. it is exciting to be in that kind of environment. it insists that you use all of your skills and energy in order positive policy in a way. the interesting thing about the often definedis by the unexpected, which makes the job doubly interesting. pres. clinton: it is interesting though, a lot of the successful former presidents are one term. john quincy adams was in congress for 16 years and one of our most important anti-slavery advocates. hoover came out of retirement and wrote the civil service act. they did a lot of good things and i feel that george and i have been blessed because we are were reasonably young and barack obama is young.
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lucky, you canle survey to years president and two other great things. assume you would recommend the job to people if they want to be president of the united states. john kennedy was once asked, what do you think about this job and would you recommend it? he said not to others right now, i guess because i would wait until i finish my tenure, but would you recommend to young want to be the president of the united states, would you say it is work the aggravation and hard work to become president? pres. clinton: in a heartbeat. pres. bush: same. there is a good chance we are looking at a future president. there are 60 graduates here. [applause] oft: the highest calling mankind i always felt was private equity. [laughter] being theuld say president of the united states is better than private equity. pres. bush: i don't know, we
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make $200,000 a year in pension. what do you make? [laughter] host: money isn't everything, but yes. pres. clinton: if i could say one serious thing. the mexican multibillionaire is a really smart guy, gave a speech during the campaign and the campaign being what it was -- obviously no one was interested in and -- in asking, but he said i believe this will be the first technological revolution that will kill more jobs than it creates and therefore, i believe we will either have to -- have people with money paying higher taxes to subsidize people living, or the richest countries are going a have to start planning for four-day and three-day work week because of the innovation, robotics and artificial intelligence. now, no one knows the answer to
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that. no one knows if he is right or not. but it isn't going to be boring. it is not boring to figure out all of these climate change issues and in a way that helps the economy. it is not boring figuring out whether we can have shared prosperity and still have growth. these are very significant questions, and it is also not boring figuring out how to navigate a political world in which the nationstates border our poorest, not just in terms of vulnerability in tariffs and tax, it is a fascinating, so bernie -- sobering, but exhilarating time to be alive. a year told george once or so ago, i hope you are not the first republican -- last republican president who is not afraid of immigrants.
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south texas and have a discussion about what immigration reform should look look att if you america, we are only having a 2.1 replacement of our nativeborn population from natural birth. we cannot continue to grow this economy unless we take in more immigrants, so we have to be comfortable about it. aren't you glad that a cambodian woman found her way to louisiana? [applause] pres. bush: she didn't find her way to texas. [laughter] eight years and as i tried to say earlier, countries roughly have 550 million people in our country's of our over the course history. 45 are elected president, but only 13 people have served two consecutive terms.
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you are two of the 13. what would you say you are the most proud of having done in your eight years? pres. clinton: i was most proud that when i left office, we had the broadest period of shared prosperity in 50 years. the bottom 20% income in percentage terms increased more than 20% and nobody was mad anybody else over it. it was shared across rachel and religious and regional lines. did i abolish inequality, no. and you can't in a market society, but at least we found a way to have more shared prosperity including three budget surpluses. i think if everyone has a decent job and something to look forward to in the morning, about 90% of the other problems go away. whatever argument we might have policy or anyare other social policy, it will all
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become less significant if people think they can start a business and keep a job and educate their kids. stable, communities are more stable and all of the other problems get smaller. host: what would you say in your eight years? pres. bush: well, my daughters love me. [laughter] is a challenge to have teenage daughters when you are the president, a challenge any time to have teenage daughters, and thanks to laura's --dance, our little girls our family unit strengthened. i think that is a great accomplishment. pres. clinton: me too. this is what i think a lot of people don't believe about people like us. if you take it seriously, your most important job until your kids get out of the house is being a father or mother. host: do you really have a time for being a parent as president?
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it must be hard. pres. bush: they were at the yeah, it isf texas, hard. thankfully, laura spent a lot of time nurturing them and helping them out. i knew what it was like to be a child of the president and the criticism is harsh, regardless of who is president and it stings for the child. someone you love getting criticized. we worried about our girls reacting to the criticism i got an laura was very good at covering them and i tried to do my best. host: what is like when you have a daughter and she goes on a date and the father is greeting the young man and you are president of the united states or governor, it is intimidating for the young man, i assume. pres. clinton: i certainly hope so. [laughter] i like chelsea's boyfriend.
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moreever went out with than one at a time, but the chapters got longer depending. she had one in high school he really liked. he wouldn't take his baseball cap off inside. he sat down at dinner one time and i said, i really like that -- you, you know that? he said yes, i do. i said, you can't wear that cap at dinner. take the cap off. his man goes on to where -- be , iran into him -- i trying to help people put their lives back together. i treasured knowing [indiscernible]
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friends who don't celebrate thanksgiving or can't go home for thanksgiving. hillary and i feed them and they go around the table and tell what they are grateful for. you cannot be pessimistic about the future if you hear young people say that. i told people earlier that came through that, you are not going to believe how tonight's event will lift your spirits about the future of this country. [applause] , --. bush: and today >> host: what makes you most optimistic about the country today? pres. bush: tonight, you will see why i am optimistic. we have people with good hearts, good skills knowing -- wanting to serve others. armies of compassion that exist throughout the united states that exist in spite of the government.
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who say, i amle going to try to improve the community in which i live and tonight, we're going to meet leaders who do just that. any kind of nation with that kind of compassion is a nation where the citizenry ought to be optimistic. host: one of the things you are now famous for doing is taking up painting. people were a little surprised because you weren't thought to be an artist before. [laughter] how did you decide to pick up painting and why does it -- >> people go down and look at the paintings in the exhibit after dinner tonight, it is right behind here. painted was because i was bored. instituteation and takes up time, but not enough. exercise program wasn't taking enough.
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winston churchill says painting is a pastime and i basically said if that guy can paint, i can paint. [laughter] host: since you've got the presidency, you have changed your diet and other things. what have you spent the most time that gives you the greatest pleasure? pres. clinton: building my foundation and trying to fund. it got so big so fast that it took up all of my time. i'm trying to make it more entrepreneurial. it gets really big thanks support itself -- -- the priceart to of medicine is down everywhere. the clinton initiative, which we don't have any more in its
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previous incarnation, but i am working on some specific things, we have 400 million people, it is a lot of trouble. you have to keep at it all the time and at first, i thought i don't want to do this. but i am a workaholic and didn't think i could be a gifted painter. [laughter] pres. clinton: i admire him for doing that and i think he would tell you the best thing that can happen to you when your politics is to be consistently underestimated. pres. bush: i was pretty good at that. [laughter] [applause] he made me a: genius, i look like a genius because the presidential race in 2000 started in 1999. i turned on tv at the white house and saw him sitting on a bale of hay in a tent in iowa and as far as i know, it was the said to he
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people who could go either way thingl give you the same clinton did but with a smaller government and a bigger tax cut, wouldn't you like that? [laughter] it was brilliant. thought, they are going to underestimate the sky. a friend of mine for 20 years had a 60% approval rating and he won anyway. because he understood the ,olitics was about candidates conditions and culture, and not just what position you were taking on the issue. he constructed a campaign that fit with where texas was at that time.
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anything to do -- you didn't have to dislike ann richards to vote for george bush. he maximized the number of people he could get. host: how did the two of you come together to create the presidential leadership program? pres. bush: one of the problems with these presidential centers is they become irrelevant quickly if -- unless it captures people's attention. we ought to think about using these platforms that call young people together and encourage through leadership education program. it makes a lot of sense and the lanai top together -- talked together. it fit right into our view of how to be useful, and that is how it got started. 's andrse, inviting dad lbj's made a lot of sense.
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it is a valuable resource for people and what week -- in what we call the heartland. you just talk to these young people here. giveally tonight, we speeches and everything, i would bet you anything the thing name -- they get the most out of his being with each other. one of the things that is wrong with america, that bothers me more than anything else about our future is that we have separated ourselves into like-minded communities. be less racist, homophobic and sexes, but we don't want to be around many people who disagree with us normally. we get news in silos. in an interdependent complex world, diverse groups make better decisions than homogenous ones. so these people would make better decisions. everybody knows that, but they
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almost can't help themselves because in a national election, against the one we hit. before we came out here, i just came from lake tahoe -- where i started and he finished, one of only two bluewater takes -- lakes in the world. on thecans and democrats ground made a possible because they had the end in mind. all we did was say yes. , wherecame from columbia i started but he mostly finished. columbia, which gave the country back to its people. it was a total bipartisan deal. that int to get back to america. this is killing us, all this fighting over nothing instead of saying what the heck we are trying to get done. host: we have time for one more question and i would ask finally, both of you can answer
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this, for those who are presidential scholars or other people watching, if somebody wants to be president, is the quality that is most important hard work, intelligence, optimism, luck? what do you think it takes for someone who says i want to be president, i want to be like you. pres. bush: humility. i think it is important to know what you don't know and listen to people who do know what you don't know. pres. clinton: i also think you have to begin with the end in mind. you have to say, you have to win the election but why in the heck are you running? that is another thing i noticed about him. when he ran for governor against ann richards, he didn't say and richards is a klutz. he said i want to be governor because i want to do 1, 2, 3 things. some i didn't agree with, but he had an agenda. if you want to be president, realize it is about the people, not about you. and this isver, what a lot of arrogant people forget.
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time passes. and passes more quickly than you know. you want to be able to say, people are better off, kids have a better future, things are coming together. you don't want to say, god, look at all of the people i beat. look at all of the people i walked over. most important thing is to be humble, to listen to realize that everyone has a story. pres. bush: the only thing he disagreed with my platform is that texas ought to take arkansas. [laughter] pres. clinton: what i disagreed with his that he wanted to give all of our -- get all of our water and not pay very much money for it. [laughter] pres. clinton: i would have swapped it out for texas oil. [laughter] host: i want to thank you both for your service to our country and thank you for the leadership you have given to so many people and thank you for what you are doing in your post presidency. thank you very much.
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