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a federal spending package to fund the department of agriculture, transportation, homeland security and more. they will be taken up on the house floor tomorrow. next, we show you some of the hearing from earlier today. we are going to move our prorations processed further today. my colleagues from the democratic party has asked me to go ahead. we are in the middle of the
afternoon, they know what is going on, they are well represented. but some of our members are outgained about. we are in the middle of some hearings, some things going on with sensitive matters. so we're going to keep pursuing this. today we will resume amendment 354, make on hr3 america secure and prosperous appropriations act 2018. the committee will be taking general and amendment testimony on the commerce, justice, science and related agencies division, financial services, and general government division, interior defilement and related agencies division and labor health and human services education and related agencies division of the bill. once again, if you are planning
to offer an amendment this message is for members and offices. if you are planning on offering any amendment testimony to f, we will, c, d, or be taking that testimony following this first two panels which will be introducing their product, then subject to amendment. members are advised that they can also submit testimony, we're not requesting everyone come here. if you whiching are testimony to be included into the record it needs to be given to the rules committee or two ranking member and her staff. republicans to the front office. do iut anything further or do want to welcome you. we are delighted you are here, chairman calvert, ranking member mccullum, to testify on the bill as well as chairman good --
german john culberson from houston, texas. yesterday you said the appropriate amount of time acknowledging only -- not only , theacrifice, the bravery working together, all groups of people on a common cause of saving lives, taking care of children and elderly people and those in harm's way. we also offer you a happy 80th birthday is today. so you are a day late but not a dollar short. you will have a chance to tell house happy birthday. but we spent time yesterday to acknowledge that and is a member of that houston community, i am a suburb of houston to my live in dallas. but i want to say that we are trying to do our part in dallas
to take care of people from houston. and most sincerely we appreciate and respect all the people there, what they're going through. we're going to also have judge salina who some of this morning, remind me he would be here at 2:00 to testify on the commerce justice, science and other related agencies of the bill. thank each of you for being here. further i wanty to ask the gentleman from florida if he would choose to have any opening statement or comments. and thankou very much you for a birthday greeting both yesterday and today. older, deeperay in debt. , the bill before us, i am delighted to see the people
here, all of them i have great respect for. but i do believe this bill blindly ignores our silent science and replaces the safety the livelihood of people at risk by slashing funding environmental for climate change and environmental enforcement. ideological policy writers continue their assault on our environment by undermining the administration's ability, if it were willing, to keep our environment clean and protect species. the real i pointed out fact and richness of the that the national oceanic and
atmospheric administration is being condemned -- they pointed out the significance of that. at the time all this was prepared, harvey was not in their eyesight, and i am sure that the hurricane that is looming out there, irma, was not a part of the consideration. hopefully we will have some amendment along the way that will assist in coming to reality. mr. chairman, over the break, i visited one of the lead facilities in this country on ocean policy. i don't think them makes good sense to prohibit or implement the national ocean policy,
impeding local work which i believe is benefiting the ocean economy, and ocean and coastal resilience. a lot of the focus that i have oral.eals with c when the senator was in the house we had a successful legislation that address that subject. it is critical, in my view. so i hope some of the shortsightedness taken up by amendments by republicans and democrats ought to correct some of that. >> do tastings, -- judge hastings, thank you so much for your comments. the person to address that would be mr. culberson. he is very aware -- by the way, the country is now of the two other storms that are progressing towards potentially
your home state and other east coast states. i believe you saw us address this morning with a little more money than we said we would do just three's ago. -- three days ago. knowledge does matter. now that we know what we know, you will get a chance to ask those questions. i thank you for the opportunity to advise and give a chance -- judge, thank you very much. we have spent a good bit of time yesterday and last night. we are interested in a number of issues. but your presentation about the way you see the world or what you have done, you are proud to support that, is why you're here today. and quite honestly we respect and appreciate the hard work you do day in and day out.
people recognize we are appear late hours, and you have been too. thank you. thank you, mr. chairman. the fiscal year 2018 interior environment bill is funded that $31.456 billion which is $824 million below fiscal year 2017 enacted level and $4.3 billion above the budget request. this legislation makes a concerted effort to prioritize within our reduce allocation while also addressing specific interests and concerns brought to our attention through 5200 member requests. in the interest of time i will not outline all activities in the bill but i would like to point out a few highlights. the committee has provided robust fire funding in the bill.
fire suppression accounts are fully funded at the 10 year average level and the bill increases funding for hazardous fuel reduction. the bill funds the payments in at the fiscal year 2017 enacted level. in 49 of the 50 states rely on these funds to make up lost tax revenue. overall funding for epa is reduced by $534 million or 615% from last year. the bill continues to invest in water infrastructure including a contented land. jobs and spurate economic development in communities across the country. this legislation provides a $5 billion worth of investment in fundingfrastructure in through a program and a clean water and drinking water revolving loan fund. this bill provides increases to accelerate the cleanup of contaminated superfund and
brownfield sites. billion provides $2.9 for the national park service and increases the construction account by $10 million and maintains increases provided last year to address long-standing park operations and deferred maintenance needs. we've also addressed in our of concerns within the fish and wildlife service accounts. restoresreceived -- popular grant programs to fiscal 2017 enacted level and restores funds to combat international wildlife trafficking, projects fish hatcheries from closers in cuts and continues to fight invasive mussels and reduces the back load -- backlog of species that are recovered but not yet the listed. -- de-listed. programs that enjoy bipartisan support. the bill also makes critical investments in indian countries, a top priority of this
committee. it honors our committee desk commitment to native americans with emphasis on health, law enforcement,. in education i would like to thank my -- law enforcement, and law enforcement. while we may disagree on some issues we never are disagreeable and continue to work well together. i would also like to thank the hard work of our staff on both sides. a lot of time went into this in late hours. nights, weekends to get this bill before us. this is a good bill. thank you for the opportunity to testify today. i'm happy to respond to any questions you were the members of the rules committee may have. and happy birthday, mr. hastings. and thank you. >> thank you very much. you brought your able ranking member with you. she is, as you are no stranger to the rules committee, and she is one of our favorites when she comes here.
>> thank you, mr. chairman. good to see ranking member slaughter and of course, happy 81st. [laughter] members in this room who either have direct family members or directly represent states that have been impacted by the disaster, we work together to serve all americans at the time of need. i appreciate the opportunity today to be before you to fy-2018 division a, the interior environment and related agencies bill. i would like to be clear that i believe consideration of the entire bill on the house floor should be under open rule. the traditional process for appropriating registration is being undermined it by the use of -- consideredould be
independently and not lump together in these unwieldy packages. the him them as bill continues down a partisan path of slashing funding of the well-being of the american people. the important programs in the bill suffer from a low allocation which is devised by the majority in a process that was neither open-door transparent. is subcommittees allocation $824 million less than last year's level. changes this magnitude the protection of our nations natural and cultural resources and has real consequences for american families and communities. adequate funding for the interior environment division was at a critical time when the trump administration is attacking science behind climate change, rolling back regulations to protect clean air and water, and even healthy health studies that examine whether mining
practices harm communities. we are at a defining moment in history. our actions to combat climate change now will impact the world that we pass on to our children and grandchildren. we cannot afford to disregard the overwhelming scientific evidence that the planet is forming. waters are rising in glaciers are melting. last month i witness firsthand a glacier national park in montana. at nick soceeding the rated rate with just 25 remaining in a landscape that once held 150 glaciers. across the west including grazers 00 -- the intensity of wildfires continues. disruption seen the conflicted by hurricane harvey as the waters recede. the environmental protection agency will play a key role in keeping america safe. once again we are reminded about
the daily importance that environmental protection has on our lives. we mustrs of congress meet our responsibility to adequately fund the epa so can carry out its mission. this bill does not do that. the majority has chosen to slash funding to the epa by $554 million. the epa is shouldering 65% of the overall cut to the subcommittee. the epa protects human health, safety, and ensures clean air and water for all. alreadyncy's budget is 10 levelsion below fy- and simply irresponsible to cut the epa any further. i also must express my concern and disappointed with partisan writers in this bill that pander to special interests at the expense of the public good. they jeopardize protection and
-- for vulnerable species, protection of ocean, undermine clean ocean and water safeguards and even prevent the development of renewable energy. these writers do not belong in this bill. but despite my disappointment in these writers and lack of an open forum process and a wholly inadequate allocation for the interior environment built, i want to be clear in expressing my appreciation for the hard work of german calvert, his staff and the democratic staff in the work that all of our subcommittee members do together. been my pleasure to work on this bill and i thank him for his open and collaborative approach. i am particularly proud of our subcommittee's nonpartisan efforts to address the issues facing native americans. despite her low allocation, this bill recommends an increase of $108 million over fy 2017 enacted levels for programs critical to indian country.
safetylth, education and is a federal responsibility are also committee takes very seriously. and that is one very bright spot in this bill. mr. chairman, i request that when the bill comes to the floor it is considered under open rule so they can have a thorough debate. the american people can deserve every consideration of federal funding in all synthetic's -- affect the health of our environment and communities and are fundamental for future generations. i want to thank you and members of the committee to testify on hr-3345 together and i look forward to working with my chairman as we work together on the floor. >> thank you very much. not only for your testimony, but with everyone on both sides who worked very
digitally -- diligently. we spoke yesterday about them working together. not agreeing on everything, but finding common ground in lots of areas. i appreciate you being here with mr. calvert to do exactly that today. we are delighted that you are here and you are recognized. >> thank you. thent to thank you all for prayers and support you have offered the people of houston and southeast texas, southwest louisiana and for bringing hurricane our relief bill so quickly to the floor. that will make a big difference to bring relief. >> it really does. we need to recognize that we have puerto rico directly in that eye right now. oras we speak about houston southwestern louisiana, we have
to remember florida, the virgin islands, we have to remember puerto rico, which is an american territory which is very important to us. our two members from those territories know that we have an active process and i know you recognize that. >> and you know all the people. >> he reminded me of this this morning. yes. >> absolutely. >> he reminded me. as if i needed reminding. well, i do. about one was talking of our territories. >> [inaudible] >> we thank you very much for the support. as chairman of the committee i'm here to explain and sq provide an appropriate rule for his consideration as part of the
larger appropriations package. >> [inaudible] hoarse because it has been a rough week. it's been a rough week. the subcommittee has jurisdiction over a range of agencies responsible for combating terrorism, espionage, laws, cybercrime, trade exploring space and advancing science. the division of the bill, we worked together arm in arm on, provides $54 billion to $2.6 billion below last year's level. we look forward to an overall budget agreement which will give us more room. we have a limited allocation because of the size of the debt and deficit. we are working hard to try to
find ways to limit federal spending in balance all these priorities. but with a limited funds that we have, we have allocated our constituents' hard-earned tax dollars. reducing activities we deemed less essential. a principal priority was law enforcement. make sure the fbi is well taken care of, the fbi has been provided with a $20 billion increase that will enable them to fight cybercrime, terrorism and espionage. and we have increased funding for federal law enforcement across the board to enhance their ability to protect the nation against violent crime, gang members, to combat human smuggling, human trafficking. unfortunately houston is a hub for human trafficking, which is heartbreaking. our bill does everything we can
to help them fight not only human trafficking but opioid trafficking. i vividly remember when her colleague from west virginia pointed out there is one town in west virginia with 300 people that have been described 9 million oxycodone pills, which is criminal. something we have just got to deal with this opioid crisis. we have provided funds for 65 new immigration judge teams to do with the 500,000 case backlog of immigration cases that have been waiting to be processed and handled. $22 million increase for u.s. attorneys. $80 million increase for u.s. marshals. $9 million increase for the da and $35 billion for alcohol tobacco and firearms. i want to say thank you to all the federal and local and state law enforcement agencies and all the first responders who have done so much to help the people of texas and southwest louisiana
in this hurricane. we have also provided strong funding for those local and state law enforcement programs to protect women, children and police officers including $527 million for human trafficking. 70 24 $5 million to protect missing and exploited children. $500 million for the grant program. and $220 million for the stake will aid and assistance program to reimburse state and local jails and prisons for the cost of housing individuals who committed crimes during the country illegally. the bill provides $19.9 billion for nasa, which is into a gym $80 million increase. nasa has had too much on its plate for too long and too little my to do it. we have done our best together working with the subcommittee to make sure the american space program is the best on earth and will ensure that the united
states continues to lead not only in space exploration into audi but aeronautics research and discovery in space and science. the bill provides for the development of the space launch system which was sent american astronauts below -- beyond low orbit and also increases funding to planetary programs including europa, which they believe is the most promising place we will find life in another world. the bill does not adopt a cut to the national science foundation projected investment in basic scientific research which is so essential to our nation's security and economic growth. and we made sure that in order to -- we had to reduce funding in some areas. anyliminated programs not longer necessary and we froze a reduced funding for several agencies are funnies which can operate with less. protectionstinues for americans' 2nd amendment
constitutional rights. we also continued language from previous bills to transfer housing a prisoners at one time obey into u.s. i'm happy to answer any questions you may have. thank you. >> thank you very much. we are delighted that you are here. >> thank you. at the expense of the pretentious, let me just tell my prayers andt our our thoughts were with you and we are period, here, and i am here to use my on eon up -- vote appropriations to make sure those places in texas and louisiana are made whole again. mindhought that stays my is that i was watching univision
and i saw first responders from puerto rico putting their gear together to go to texas. and now as we speak, irma is putting puerto rico in a situation that could be as bad as texas. reasonthere is no other to be good brothers and sisters, it's the fact that you will never know when it happens to you. and it will. thank you mr. chairman, and other members of the committee for the opportunity to testify before you today. as the ranking member of the subcommittee, i am deeply disappointed to appear before you to talk about it on the miss bill rather than an individual -- an omnibus bill rather than --
in order to make my presentation didn't did include -- include a lot of what we do agree on, programs i knew it have to fight for because -- i want to point out why the bill has problems, but that doesn't mean i don't respect the work he did with the fact that we agree on so many things. if anybody -- if any money comes our way -- opposed i am strongly to the consideration of a bill in these situations i believe it is important that this process moves forward. the portion of the bill be considered during open rule. no mannertrue -- is in which appropriations legislation is considered and i think members on both sides of the aisle would strongly prefer a return to regular order with or without these process
problems. the portion of the bill is not one unfortunately i can skip -- i can support in its current form. this bill is cut by approximately 1% below last year's level. this is far below the level needed to adequately fund the programs this bill which are crucial to economic development, scientific innovation, and protecting our nation's chairs values. values.ple -- cherished all these programs absorb significant cuts below funding levels. the census bureau is greatly underfunded and will be unable andreate the important necessary work that must be done now to prepare for the 2020 census. these are programs that have democratic and republican support and demonstrate how this
bill should be funded. i'm also troubled this bill allows many of the administration's most troubling priorities and initiatives related to immigration and civil rights move forward without congressional oversight. in the wake of charlottesville there are many in this country were justifiably questioning our president's commitment to tolerance, fairness and inclusiveness. the administration's request for the doj resist those questions as well. a proposal to harm immigrants by increasing criminal enforcement is funded in this bill. there is no attempt here to limit the department's actions to undermine affirmative action. support voter registration and disproportionately hurt minorities and ignore lgbt protections. all these efforts might be in keeping with the president's
values but these are ideas that have long been rejected by a majority of the american people. i would like to mention one amendment i am offering is number 111. this amendment would take $10 allown from the -- to them to give grants to help investigate and prosecute hate crimes and would provide a significant signal that the federal government will not tolerate hatred and bigotry. i hope the amendment will be made in order. while i do not support the bill i do support each member's ri ght to offer amendments that they believe will improve the final product. once again i want to thank you, and i want to thank all the committee members for the support you have given us in the past and the support you have , the commonwealth of
puerto rico. >> thank you very much. the avenues of work that you have done for years, all four of you, have played themselves out in the new administration. there will be some agreements and some disagreements, i get that. but as i look at both of your products, i think that the overriding viewpoint is, you are having to do what you do with less money. you are having to make it is and will be increasingly difficult to get the priorities correct, in line, as judge hastings i am sure will have an opportunity to extract
what you may not have known then but you know now, and does this really reflect what we are doing. but one thing i want to say is , i havee spoke about it watched both your activities related to tribes and trying to make sure that our native americans, not only in the interior package, but in the basic rights and opportunities, have had an outpouring of opportunities with both of you. vice chairman of this committee of course is deeply committed to that. 2009 ine ago in california i was with him trying to work on water issues. in aember standing reception area with him for an hour or two trying to work through how we would address
these tough issues, if we were in the majority. wise counsel and good advice. so there may be areas where we lack, there may be areas where we are successful in. i applaud all four of you. i have spent some bit of time lately on some issues dealing with what white -- what might be interior, what might also be agriculture, park service. i wanted to be a ranger when i grew up at some point. either before or after i wanted to be a firefighter. as my mother would say, i did not make it. i seemingly did not have any ambition so i became a member of congress. but what i want you to know is that the work that you do to protect our wildlife, our way of
life in the west and these issues, including tribal issues, i appreciate the struggle. >> thank you. mr. serrano have a bulk of issues that have consumed my time. so i know they consumed your time. areasility within these of commerce justice are sensitive areas, they are areas that seemingly we have got to get right. , i will look forward to the testimony that comes behind this will attempt to follow some bit of wisdom that the committee here, including even our newest committee member, have definite ideas about the world and we appreciate your viewpoint in bringing forward today. i am really just all four accolades.
i have been through the bills, very much so and know the hard work that had been made in net. -- in that. >> i want to ask a question. he and i share a tremendous support for nafta. does to the things it fix the imagination of people around the world but it is a concrete thing. i want to congratulate you on the hard work on trying to get that budget would needs to be. late in the game we had no amendment to the budget, the bill, that would take $100 million out of nass and put into -- program.eat i just wonder about where you would come down on whether it
makes sense for us to put $100 million out of this from nasa into jags. >> i hope we're going to have a broader budget agreement and you will see the conference when we reach that agreement when of our top priorities will be to help the legal services corporation. i hope you will not make that amendment in order. the author is reconsidering it. one thing we do not want to do is cut nasa's earth science program. we don't want to cut nasa's great scientific exploration program. the amazing mission to saturn is about to come to an end in a week. it will make its final dive into saturn's atmosphere. we have learned so much not only about saturn but we learned of the ice moons of saturn has a worldwide ocean. that is true in the ocean world of europa. this is one area
where all in agreement when it comes to nasa. our bill has funded nasa to the highest level it has ever had history because it does return so much of the economy, technology. none of us would have these technology -- these devices were it not for nasa. social media on smartphones saved a lot of lives in houston. sir, i hope the rules committee will not make that commitment order and a hope the author we can to her in with your all. >> i ask anyone to help them solve problem. nasa is something we can all get excited about. the gentleman that runs the marshall space -- he told me that he grew up -- we didn't have much in our beaches in alabama -- in his granddaddy's beach house, a flat roof.
you would sit out at night and look up at the stars. as long as we have programs with nasa and the stuff we do in education, try to keep young boys and girls looking up at the stars and thinking about what we can do to push out the boundaries of the frontiers we face, the better off we are. so i stand with you. >> where the greatest part of this job has been to help major use of the future come true. no one can better do that the nasa. i am pleased to report our bill contains a 52 year plan for nasa that joe and i worked on. it lays out initially a plan to discover life in another world in europa. it directs nasa to identify the nearest earth-like planet allowed the nearest star in find life on that planet. --the same time our bill directs nasa to launch amenities first interstellar
mission to that nearest earth-like clinic at any life on the 100th anniversary of neil armstrong setting foot on the moon. that will be in american spacecraft that discovers life for the first time and in american spacecraft that makes the first interstellar mission possible. i won't be around for that but i hope that takes place when i'm gone. i will be stardust somewhere. >> i think this is something we can all get behind. >> one of the interesting things about space is the dramatic size of it. dallas something called the ross perot museum. and they put signs up all over the place each of the people on facts of science. there's a billboard that says 1300 earths would fit in the sun. 93 millionw it's
miles to the sun, but i never knew -- it's these kinds of things it is about. it is extraordinary. >> if i may for a second, not too many of you either know or -- i wasmy comments ranking member under hal rodgers and frank wolf. those were the days when appropriations bill stood alone and got 387 votes on the board. i know some people would think that would never happen what it used to happen. one of the reasons i waited all these years to get back to be ranking member of the subcommittee and it worked out was because of nasa. many people would say, you are from new york city, what he worried about nasa?
pun, without making a bed pun, i'm one of those many americans who believe america is still great and already great. my concern about the bills is the fact and a desire to bring up the debt, i understand that, in a desire to cut spending, i understand that. we may be cutting investment in the future. that is what is meant is great. we're great already. we just need more people to share in his greatness. at we have to be careful, who m i to preach, but we have to be careful we do not cut to the bone and hurt what made us great. >> thank you. >> thank you, mr. chair. i certainlyto say, agree with your idea of "rule. it's something -- of open rule.
it's something we haven't seen in a long time. allowing people amendments. we haven't had one up here in a long time on our side. we will ask for open will but we won't get one. we need to pursue that. joe, i think people in new york city often worry about everything, don't you? -- ought to worry about everything, don't you? we have a lot to worry about in new york. >> they do. they care about everything. and there is nothing more exciting than to have been nasa not visit -- have an astronaught visit a school.l if you haven't had that experience, please have it. the kids go crazy. >> you think we're going to
demand flight -- to do manned flight? >> yep. need toal sector -- we think of the commercial sector as catching a cab in front of your office. you will have multiple choices of commercial providers to take you into orbit. president, just as eisenhower's are -- president trump should be -- asa should be thought of taking us into interstellar travel and commercial low orbit. >> all i want is a speedway. [laughter] apparently america does not. >> this is something we can all agree on. you have done a lot certainly
to make a of young people want to be astronauts and study engineer. astrophysics. >> become mathematicians. >> just estimate sure we have more jobs to them. >> nasa will help do that with technology spinoffs. thank you. >> judge hastings? about thestened legacy, you spoke of president , the interstate highway system. sometimes dies pretty easily. in this institution it was president nixon added the environmental protection agency. somewhere along the line we are not for filling what may have fulfilling his
legacy, that we should be about the business of protection. the chairman has given me an opportunity to ask you what was a rhetorical question. i will believe are the point in the interest of time but obviously, you did not have in your site hurricane harvey or ir ma or any other. i will repeat what i said yesterday, and that is that this congress, should be about the business of addressing disaster relief with a wider scope, rather than waiting for happenings to call. -- to come along. i spoke yesterday would is the s the truth,at i
which is that in clifornia, substantial fires. the same in other states. in the summer we will have droughts. after winter we will have floods. somehow or another we huddle along. we should have a broader scope. i call for the committees of jurisdiction of the repository to disaster relief. so far we don't have to have helter-skelter approach or politics into it the way that the policy writers in here in my view were not necessary for us to get the things done. and it makes it hard for those nasa, i'mou spoke of
sure you have the same views with regard to exploration in space, but let's not forget we cut nasa substantially. aspects,gree with some sometimes it is hard to catch a cab depending on who you are and where you are. so i don't know whether all of that is sound reasoning as an analogy. i admire the work you all have done with the limitations you have. i do appreciate the fact you had hearings. the process is important to us all here. we talk about it. senator mccain just recently opined about the need for congress to get back to regular order. perhaps after this session we will recognize the importance of
working together no matter who was in charge. we're going to need to do that. now they know that harvey has therred in we are about business of doing everything that we can and should do help the people in that region and we must also be fair for whatever happens with irma, wherever it goes. midway in the hurricane season. let's not forget earthquakes and tornadoes. all those things are going to to wait forwe seem them to happen before we do the things that may very well put us in a position to address them more meaningfully and more rapidly. thank you. >> thank you very much. words of wisdom. not a tell you, this is
you this is not eric and take lightly. issues thise hatchery system and the liquids we worked several years now. we think about these programs and their economic impact. the fish hatchery and what happened was fish and wildlife we put those on the lowest level of priority and despite even the benefit of what happens, this line which you will have, we appreciate it so much for educational resources, republican the straps. it is interesting that for every dollar we put in to those hatcheries, we get $40 back for return for new fishermen, new educational opportunities.
they support a lot of different things, recreation and especially my district is the job in tourism created. it goes to the environment aside and being good stewards while at , we havetime balancing worked well on those things. late 60's,ld in the that was my early childhood so you talk about the space, though something for me they really reacts and i tell people the time what are we involved in it. i think there's a great commercial and public interest. as somebody come up to me, why do we need to be in after? i looked at them and reminded them we have more than pain out of nafta. we got internet that you love to communicate with me on, there is a lot of things that came out of it. a lot of stuff. it is ideal as to what is in the
future. i thank you to those. the language for the fish hatchery, we do appreciate it. >> i appreciate those comments. mr. polis. the gentleman does not seek time. the gentleman from the great state of washington. i wanted to take first of all mr. hastings, i am a believer that you should celebrate the whole month whenever it is your birthday. be prepared. as one of the newest members of the appropriations committee, i wanted to express my appreciation for the hard work that goes on in that committee. probably the only other one that spends as long hours is the rules committee. both of these subcommittees have challenge of the not only investing in the future , also solving problems
currently faced. all with smaller amounts of money to spend doing it and i think you have done a good job of rising to the challenge and wanted to acknowledge all of your work and all of your committee members work rising to dedication and so i appreciate that. also just wanted to make a comment, it is not an open system by definition but when you have well over 1000 amendments that are offered and a half of them will likely be prettyd, that is a doggone transparent process and one that allows members to fully participate in this process, i just wanted to express my ability ton for your give us that opportunity. with that i yield back. >> thank you very much. we are forced into
some circumstances that are not as pleasant as others, and unfortunately all of the members of the committee have been here for some people of time -- some peel of time. i offer an explanation and try and make it move and work, you which is forced into a circumstance where you had to hustle also. product, and you did not sit around and say will not be accepted by the senate. it is public policy and making us think about what we are doing and making priorities work. we also recognize -- i think mr. .astings does too we have to do the essentials. i think both of you represent the essentials. i want to think you very much. alsold like to remind you
our stick not for would appreciate -- our stenographer would appreciate anything you can do to help her to get keywords down and double check her mathematics as she moves forward. i want you to think that i want to thank you for taking time. >> map point out that it is important that these bills have been online and available to the public for scrutiny since the month of july. we have been as transparent as we can. we are proud of those bills. the public has had a chance to read them since july. much.nk you very forward.ow move i would like to welcome panel two, chairman tom graves of georgia, ranking member mr. quigley is here.
servicesnancial general government division of the bill as well as our own tom cole. we welcome tom cole and ranking member. health and human services related. we will recognize them as they come. we are delighted anything that auld help -- she develops most professional product available from our work today. gentlemen, welcome. mr. graves daca lice are you this morning. -- mr. graves, saw you this morning. i know you were fired up and prepared to be with us today. >> i thank the committee for
your diligence. this has been a long process. thank you for allowing the appropriations committee to bring all of our work product to you over the last several days if not weeks. so it's a privilege for me to present to you the fiscal year 2018 federal services financial services and general government act. i believe this is the prosperous part of make america secure and prosperous act that we are debating here in the next day or so. i will explain why that is. first this bill includes many reforms found in the choice act which has passed the house of representatives earlier this
spring, you will recall. eliminating harmful dodd-frank regulations and streamlining outdated agencies and processes and reining in rogue agencies that we know are far too rampant. we will allow economies and markets to work again and restore financial freedoms that help americans earn a living and achieve their dreams. the bill invests in small businesses by providing just under $1 billion. that's with a b to the small business administration. i want you to think about the impactthat has throughout the communities and for small businesses and entrepreneur whose are getting excited and experiencing that american dream again. this would be significant funding for small business loans and particularly for our veterans programs that funnel through the sba. this bill also carries entire financial institution bankruptcy act which has passed the house in a bipartisan vote earlier. as well as irs funding kept to 2009 levels. with target investments particularly in customer service and cyber security. this is where our committee has been focussed on oversight and how the irs operates. the bill maintains our commitment to this irs oversight . prohibits harmful regulations impacting the organizations that have been throughout the country
over the last several years and prohibits targeting groups based on political beliefs or for exercising first amendment rights and prohibits determination of church exemptions along with many other protections for our taxpayers as we were back in our districts during august. to combat the opioid crisis we have included more than $360 million for federal drug control programs like the drug courts and the drug free communities programs. it also is important to note that we carry the pro life provisions that have been customary of the past that both the house and senate have passed previously. we have expanded upon that to include the act that prohibits funds used for multistate plans that cover abortion and further we include
provision that repeals district of columbia's assisted suicide measure. this bill comes in at just over $20 billion. i will point out why that is a large number. that is a 5% reduction of what we just passed here a few months ago. it is a fat percent cut -- it is a 5% cut just from last year. when crafting this bill we took direction straight from the members of the house of representatives with over 1,700 different requests being included. you should know this bill is a result of your interest and requests that have been bipartisan in fashion included in bipartisan amendments and was supported in our committee in a bipartisan fashion. this bill is put together with a strong focus for financial freedom. i believe this bill will make america prosperous again. the committee has worked with a
number of offices to work on amendments. i thank you for your work on that and appreciate all your tough work as we bring this to the floor. i do want to thank our committee staff, subcommittee staff, office has been a heck of a couple of months and we are delighted to bring this to you. thank you for consideration. >> thank you very much. the list as you go through it is impressive. the amount of work. i know you had joined with your colleagues to stay thank you to your staff. the appropriations staff for their hard work. >> thank you so much. it is a pleasure to be here. i want to thank members of the committee for the opportunity to testify. i want to thank the subcommittee chairman for his work on this bill and the spirited debates we have shared throughout this process. not always agreeing but that is part of the democratic process. we also want to thank all of the staff involved. this is my first appearance before the committee as a ranking member.
while i am pleased to be here i do wish it was under different circumstances. this is an appropriations bill such, it should be considered under an open rule as it was as recently as justlast -- just last year. we seem to have embarked on a partisan process that includes a violation of the statory budget caps. on top of that members were given a deadline to submit amendments to this committee for consideration in the middle of the august recess. i respectfully request that this committee honor the republican pledge to allow an open process that lets the will of the majority of members to avail. by abandoning the current plan under open rule the american
people could be fully represented in the form of an open and transparent debate on issues of critical importance. i am further disappointed with this committee's decision to strip the bill of provisions agreed to by the appropriations committee. congressman's language which passed by a voice vote was adopted according to regular order. the provision is straightforward. it simply clarifies that daca recipients be eligible for federal employment. the section seems to have evaporated. the legislation before us makes no reference to it as if it never happened. but it did happen and the committee report that accompanies this bill contains additional views by the chairman that refers specifically to this language. as for the content of the bill
the recommendation is $20.2 billion, a cut of $1.2 billion or 6% below the current fiscal year 2017 level. this total includescuts to -- this total includes cuts to common sense programs like community development,financial institution and small business entrepreneurial development grants and rescinds previously appropriated funds for a much-needed fbi headquarters building. this bill is carrying an 88-page authorizing bill that has no business on an appropriations spending bill. majority controls both houses of congress and is perfectly capable of moving stand alone authorizing legislation according to regular order managed by a committee of jurisdiction and subject to independent debate on the merits. this is an unnecessary approach and i hope we have the opportunity to address it as the
process moves forward. unfortunately, 88 pages of the choice act is not the only partisan rider. there are too many in the bill. prevent transparency and accountability in our finance system, infringe upon ability for women to make personal health care decisions and block the district of columbia from using local funds to make local decisions. thank you and i look forward to your questions. >> thank you very much. >> welcome. you are normally on this side. as i and other members of the committee recognize that you have an important role to play not only for this conference and the congress, but you have an important role to the agencies including that you spend time not only to understand to develop their thinking and pathways.ear tom, i have served with you for
a number of years. i know that you serve two masters. you do a heck of a job for this conference and i am pleased to call you a colleague and given the time that he needs to explain his bill that is quite honestly in my opinion something that will last, have lasting impact on the health of this nation. >> thank you for those exceptionally generous and gracious remarks. let me tell you, i like sitting on your side a lot better where i get to ask the questions instead of where we have to answer tough ones. it's an enormous privilege to appear before this committee. i want to certainly thank you very much for allowing me to come and testify today before the rules committee. as you suggest i am here in my capacity as chairman of the subcommittee on labor health and human services education related agencies. i am here to present the labor hhs funding bill for fiscal year 2018. the bill before us today focuses on key national priorities investing in bio medical research, find cures for diseases like alzheimer's and cancer, insuring our country is fully prepared and able to
protect our citizens from disease outbreaks and bio terrorism, continuing to support early childhood education particularly for those at risk, helping first generation college students prepare for access and complete post secondary education and continue to support people living with disabilities. the bill also preserves funding for popular programs like career and technical education, support for historically black colleges and universities, programs that help native americans, the corporation for public broadcasting and manages to do all of those things with $5.1 billion less than we had just as recently as may when we presented the budget. we live within the agreed upon budget caps and we do so by eliminating low priority or unauthorized programs in
order to fund higher priority programs. the national institute of health funded $1.1 billion above last year. nih is working to find cures for alzheimer's disease and cancer. we need to build upon the increase provided earlier this year. i view this number as a floor and not a ceiling. i am hopeful that this number can increase as the process moves forward. bio defense and preparedness programs including newfunding to -- including new funding to prevent the pandemic flu are increased. we are all aware of the terrible toll that prescription drugs taking on our nation. this bill includes another $500
million to enable states, localities and tribes to develop anti-opioid initiatives focused on prevention, education, treatment and recovery services outlined in the 21st century cures act. head start receives $22 million increase in the bill. preschool programs continue to $250 million. child care programs receive $4 million increase. special education programs for students with disabilities are increased by $200 million which will help local school districts ease financial burden of providing specialized education 8 services. bill includes $500 million for the student support. these funds can be used flexbly -- used flexibly by school
districts across the nation where the need is in the area of counseling, computer science, instruction or teacher training. pell grants are maintained in the bill. maximum grant of $5,920 per student. the bill protects the most vulnerable of our nation by continuing community service programs, low income energy assistant program, meals on wheels, job training programs and programs supporting native americans, veterans and people living with disabilities. these increases and the preservation of other programs would not have been possible without a generous allocation from our full committee chairman who faced a challenging nondefense discretionary number and the difficult task of recommending allocations. i think he did a remarkable job of balancing priorities and i want to thank him personally and publicly.
i will also note that this is an initial allocation, beginning of congressional funding process. i am always ready to negotiate with our friends in the senate and on the other side of the aisle. i will be looking for opportunities to enhance our priorities. as we continue down the path for fiscal year 2018. frankly, it is my belief that at the end of the legislative process we will have a product that will win the majority of both democrats and republicans as was the case in fy '16 and fq '17. the bill promotes life by federal tax dollars being used for abortions and including provisions that ensure no tax dollars are used for research on human fetal tissue. i also want to thank the ranking members of the full and subcommittees. my fellow subcommittee members and staff i am proud of the bill we present to you. it represents a balanced approach and will benefit every american and maintain appropriate stewardship
of taxpayers dollars that we have been entrusted as members of congress. i want to thank you and yield back my time. >> thank you very much. we appreciate your hard work. >> first let me express thoughts and prayers for the great people of texas and louisiana who are just beginning a long road to recovery from the effects of hurricane harvey and the congress as it needs to respond expeditiously to provide disaster relief. as someone from the great state of connecticut that suffered enormously from the impact of sandy we understand what folks are going through and we are prepared to offer whatever assistance is necessary. i'm pleased to join you chairman sessions, the other members of the committee today to be here with my colleagues and with the chairman of the subcommittee on
labor, health, education and human services. i thank you for the opportunity to testify. it's interesting to note that this is the first time that labor, health and human services education bill has been considered with amendments on the floor since the 2010 appropriations cycle. unfortunately, i cannot support the bill under consideration.the -- under consideration. the combined would violate the budget control act caps triggering a sequester of $72 billion from the department of defense. i am troubled to see the labor hhs bill bearing the brunt of republican budget cuts. the overall cut tonondefense overall cut to nondefense
discretionary spending is $8 billion and the labor hhs bill is cut by more than $5 billion. and this cut is completely unnecessary. i will also note that when adjusting for inflation the labor hhs bill is approximately $30 billion below the 2010 level. instead of moving this bill what we ought to be doing is to negotiate a bipartisan budget deal to lift the sequestration caps on defense and nondefense programs. i listened to secretary mattis at the hearing today talk about lifting the caps. he was talking about defense. i believe we need to do defense and nondefense. then we can begin working on a bipartisan basis to draft a reasonable labor hhs bill that adequately funds the programs that support the middle class. the allocations we approve are approximately $5 billion below the non-defense level allowed under the budget control act.
so the resources are available , yet the majority refuses to allocate them to the essential programs that are funded through our bill. i admit that there are a few bright spots and i strongly support the increases for nih research for emergency preparedness, special education. the modest increases in thisbill -- in this bill are far outweighed by decimating cuts to programs that ought to be seeing increases. this bill fails our students as fundamentally anti-teacher and fails to make new investments in title i. the bill's approach pushes a dangerous and harmful agenda. it eliminates funding for title x family planning and teen pregnancy prevention
program and includes new riders that would block funding for planned parenthood and block lifesaving research using cells from fetal tissue. the bill cuts access to the mental health block grant and substance abuse prevention programs. the bill cuts nurses training, tobacco prevention and completely eliminates the minority hiv aids initiative. the bill hurts workers by eliminating the employment service which help nearly 6 million unemployed workers including veterans find jobs in 2015. this is a betrayal of jobseekers in our economy. it eliminates grants expanding highly effective registered apprenticeship mile that connects job seekers with good paying jobs and employers are desperate to fill. it cuts from other job training programs like job corps and the dislocated worker program. why would we eliminate programs that have for so long been about
economic opportunity and a ladder to the middle class. there are other riders. this bill blocks funding for the affordable care act. it continues to prohibit funding for gun violence prevention which has had a chilling effect on gun violence research. and finally it prohibits the department of labor from insuring the financial advisers act in the best interest of their clients. in short, the funding fails to meet our country's needs and breaks our promises to women, to seniors, to students and to our workforce. we propose more than 40 amendments to strengthen and approve this bill. the majority rejected all of them. thus far 190 amendments have been submitted to the rules committee. i have submitted six amendments
to the labor hhs bill including an amendment to prompt the administration to continue important cost sharing reduction payments under the aca. the amendment would block president trump's efforts to undermine the health insurance market place for more than 10 million people. efforts he has commented on publically. i also submitted amendments to restore or provide funding to several programs in the bill including apprenticeships and i have noted that the secretary of labor has waxed eloquent on how important apprenticeship programs are. after school programs, public health emergency response and worker protection agencies. i have often heard our colleagues speak of the virtues of regular order which would be an open rule that allows for members to have a robust debate regarding programs funded through this bill.
that is what we should be doing today, not trying to limit debate or trying to limit the number of amendments that are allowed. i thank you for your time and i would be happy to answer any questions. >> thank you very much. how many amendments you entertain through your process from this body? >> we have a process where each member of the house can submit an online portal. our subcommittee received about 1,700 unique submissions and requests from republicans and democrats alike. we would call through and find out where there is implications in such. many of those are adopted in our base bill and then go to the committee process. the exact number that we dealt with in our committee i want to say was under 50 amendments were addressed in full committee. most were addressed in the base bill.
and i would note to the rules committee many amendments you or were accepted, so you are seeing some that might have come through -- >> open invitation for a process. >> very open process that went on many hours. in fact, and our committee at time met 16 hour days consecutively to address all members concerned. >> can you address that same question? >> i can and my answer would be similar to my friend. over 10,800 we had individual member requests. a comment a quite a few of those, as many as we possibly could. we went through the same open amendment process, an 11-our markup. a testament to the interest of the committee and the stamina of
the members, particularly in the ranking member and the chairman. as i recall, we entertained 45 amendments. it has been a robust and open process. >> the important part for me is that we -- i believe, from the presence of the speaker through , the republican attempting towas make your opportunities available, it sounds like 1700 or the same number for you and you extrapolate these around 12 different bills. that is a lot of feedback, a lot of creative ideas and i bet you, just as i presented some to both of you, in particularly chairman cole, that i was particularly interested in, i think it shows
built -- have to work to perform their duties and their career, i want to thank you both very much for that process. on the republican side, michael burgess. >> turns out i can't reach my microphone. we have been at this for a while, i will not ask any additional questions. i appreciate you all being here. we all have considerable work to do this evening, mr. chairman and get to address some of these issues as we go through many of them. how many amendments on your bill? >> in committee, there were 45. there is a lot of interest in my bill.
>> there is a lot of interest. when was the last time we will have a labor day appropriations bill on the florida house of representatives? i think 2010. this is the first time since 2006 at all 12 bills in one form or another have -- will reach the floor. onomment my good friend made the process were not far apart by process. i appreciated her recognizing. this is the first time we have in here. -- here together. i see progress moving in the right direction. working partners, we hadn't had a full markup in the committee since 2009 or something like that. we have had that now for three years in a row, it has been a robust debate, and negotiate if process, i am sure it will continue. you doing thete
work and bringing it to the rules committee today. we look forward to the vote. thank you. chairman, doesn't it make you proud this committee does its work? we get a bill up here and we just deal with it. said.e with what you that was need to -- one of appropriations bill that needed to be done. i am sorry this didn't go to committee. anyhow, -- hope --certainly anyway, you have done some great work on this. i don't think there is any question anybody -- everyone has worked hard.
we got some good news from the president today on the debt limit bill. >> this is the first time we have been here and we have ruled, but i think it bears repeating with regard to labor hhs. defense, it is the largest portfolio programming that affects the lives of every single american man, woman or child. $30 billioned that below the 2010 level.
time wejust about every and wein this process, have engaged over the last three winds the labor hhs bill up in my view, getting the short end of the stick. $30 slaughter: did you say billion? cuts sinceion in 2010. that is because of the allocation that we receive, which i pointed out. your rule cut to nondefense discretionary spending is $8 billion. the labor h bill has been cut by more than $5 billion and in fact, the allocations that we approve overall are
approximately $5 billion below the nondefense level, that are allowed under the budget control act so that the resources are available, but yet are has been a refusal to allocate them to the essential programs that i believe need to be funded through our bill. continueghter: we will and get back and have people have their will heard in this house of representatives. by george, we will try to get to do that. thank you all for your work. we will see how it works, how it turns out. mr. collins.: [indiscernible] rep. sessions: thank you very
much. >> thank you, mr. chairman. -- unwarranted, not by you, but by people generally. i would ask people if they had any prejudices and invariably, everybody would say that they did not. i said what about the irs? then everybody would raise their hand. [laughter] work for me.sting but how do we expect them to be cheat ifatch a tax they are not properly funded? >> fair question and i appreciate your bringing it up. wondering -- one thing this committee has done is draw focus to the true role what the internal revenue services and it should be a servant organization. it should be one that serves the
taxpayers, but assist's taxpayers. we have no despair gone outside their lane and their scope and we have drawn them back and put more focus on taxpayer services and in particularly weather with the elderly or various communities or they -- but they service andstomer taxpayer service. i will note that this house has voted on multiple years these .ungal -- funding levels this is nothing much new for them. in fact, many in this room, bipartisan support voted for this in april. but if i could note, mr. chairman, this committee has done amazing work and what many itught couldn't be done, and is because the majority in june made the decision that we are going to try and get all bills done before the fiscal year ends
and sometimes we forget that we were doing this on the heels of funding the government in the previous fiscal year and that was in april earlier this year in which we all came together and it wouldn't have been possible without the input of all members, republican and democrat in the house. this is by far the most open, transparent, member driven process of any committee. i know the outcomes might not be where everyone likes them to be, but there is a lot of bipartisan input into these bills and so, i am proud to bring you one that we have, but also includes oversight with the irs. >> you claim, and perhaps with some currency from your perspective that the process has been open and inclusive, and at the same time, buried or hidden within this appropriations bill, authorizing bill to rollback the consumer protections of dodd frank.
yesterday, i kind of really railed heavily against our colleagues who take the position not all thatnk is bad. my understanding is that dodd frank was a response to the enormous abuse of the citizens of this country. the immense amount of wealth that just vanished by virtue of the actions of those who took advantage. if you go back to the status quo , what is to stop the same people that caused us to get in the big hole to begin with from doing the same thing? or do you trust that they will not? rep. graves: as i stated from the onset, our bill is focused
on making america process -- prosperous again. marketshave capital accessible in providing capital for investment and constituency. back to being an open process, because there is an open process and open member input, this was a request from the members of the financial services committee of the house, as well, to put in ideas that have passed through the committee, passed through the house and also jurisdiction within this piece of legislation. we like to talk about open process, but sometimes it is so open you might not like what gets in it and this is a reflection of an open process body ideas from a diverse that is not necessarily -- >> i really do appreciate the question idled the put, but you didn't answer the question that i put. [laughter] >> and i would like to hear the answer. rep. graves: i appreciate the
question and i am not here to debate the merits of the initiative. it was robust and i imagine will continue. but to come for you with what is included in this bill, as the ranking member stated, it is not frank it iseal of. quite frankly, we can't fully repeal. frank through this appropriations bill. areas we could impact, we did with ways we thought were positive. >> last time i looked, markets were doing pretty good, and that is with dodd frank being in effect. but there are other factors, banking and abuses that have taken place. a friend of mine went to an atm machine the other day and it cost them four dollars to get their own money out of the bank. and i continue to be concerned
about fees -- but let me quickly on this transparency and open stuff, didn't you all vote on the law amendment and passed out of the committee? >> let me first respond to your concerns about the irs. it needs to be said that the largest reduction this year comes from the elimination of the additional $290 million we put in for 17 and 16 on the bus that was provided for the improvement of customer service rates to address identity theft and other similar reasons. those are areas of concern and the fact is many or not, it still repels most of dodd frank and that is critical. i think it is fair to have someone answer us, where did that amendment go?
because amendments, if passed under regular order can disappear without a word or whisper, what else can be taken out? you pass an if amendment -- but answer your question -- >> i wanted to ask you to elucidate. , andse we are seeing that i am not sure the public understands what the law amendment was. rep. quigley: it affords opportunities for dreamers to have a career in public service. that they can work as interns and employees of the federal government, which is an absolute path to where we want folks to go. we encourage public service, but we are now telling dreamers -- and i would like to think we will move forward in a positive way with daca, that you will .ave choices, ask not john f. kennedy was referencing
this and we are stripping thataway, unfortunately. >> let me just be specific -- specific about the aguilar amendment. it would allow dream is to be eligible for federal employment. -- was openly debated, adopted by a voice vote in the appropriations committee markup. a month later, behind closed doors, whatever the process, whatever was engaged, at what levels of leadership, speaker, other leaders, disappeared. just disappeared. this is not the first time that we have seen it bipartisan provision stripped from an appropriation bill without any debate or without a vote. let me give you another example. in july, as we remember, republican leadership pulled barbara lee's a ufs amendment -- amendment from the omnibus.
no debate, no vote, all of a sudden disappeared into the night. >> thank you, mr. laro. i don't need to give you all of the -- mean to give all in the heat. you know my respect for you. i am curious, and i know you and i know, and all the members of this body do, there is a finite amount. but for something as critical that all of us are talking about in regards to opioid -- opiate problems, we wind up with $300 million being cut from that particular portfolio. was there some way that we could have, if there was one we could
have increased rather than cut in mental health? know, you know, i know i a mercy college from pennsylvania has been railing on this. i've spent a considerable amount of time, countless other members the epidemic that exists and yet, we wind up with a cut. on the one hand, we need to do it, on the other hand, we can't do it, but we can do some other things that doesn't seem to make sense to me. how is your response? rep. cole: that is great question, my friend. we do have $5 billion left. there was inevitably going to be less -- $5 billion less. there was inevitably going to be less. the debt number will probably be a moving target. a bipartisan compromise, my expectation is we may have some more money.
we also wanted to continue marking up some things here that everybody likes. ,t is perfectly appropriate always worry about the cuts. i wanted more money in trio, in nih, and those are great programs. i wanted more money for idea. i want to thank my friend for this, we have been the leaders for fighting on that the last two years because we didn't have an administration or senate that wanted to do any increase in ide a. >> and yet you cut pell grants. rep. cole: no, we didn't cut pell grants. we are running a surplus impel grants. we have a lot more money going in and coming out. >> but you didn't make investments in title i. rep. cole: we did make investments in title i, but this, to put at all my cards on the table as the
opening position in a negotiation. i was our challenges -- talking to mr. burgess about love the cures act. most of us voted for the tears act. a very good piece of legislation. if you give me a whole new slew of programs and take $5 million went -- $5 billion way for me at the same time and say meet these authorizations, i can't do that. then you are robbing peter to pay paul and there is some of that in there. i will give you this commitment under these programs you are focused on are really important programs. as we go forward. and me wereember able to do this last year. we start to look for where we can go back. where are the cuts we made that we would prepare not to have made. -- prefer not to of made. we have been able to do that the last few years.
can't give you certainty, all i can tell you was the track record has been pretty good in those areas and we will continue to try to work. at the end of the day, we always have our disagreements. it is interesting to me when we have gotten to the final deal, we have all been on the same side. that suggests to me we do know how to work these things and find common ground. we will continue to try and work in that fashion. ms. delauro is chomping at the bit. views chairman knows my on this, but i go to something that is fundamental. the cap on defense was a diff -- decision that was made. where is non-defense? not only will that trigger, which nobody seems to want to address in any way. wherever it comes, whether in
defense, in homeland security, or in other areas, this triggers sequester. $72 billion in cuts. if you care about these issues, then you are going to look at what has been done and say, my god, what have we brought here wrought here? side, wee nondefense did not address the issue, but we were allocated $5 billion short. cutting $300bout million, and i know the chairman knows there is a connection between opioids and mental health. you have starved programs that we have now classified as a nation, as a
national emergency, and we starve those programs that can do the most good. and there are also other areas. >> i will reclaim my time in the interest of time. i repeat here, what we are doing is a chaotic process. inside all of this stuff right here that people haven't read and aren't going to read one day, the light will shine on them and the chaotic process that we are undertaking is going to cause us to know that there arethings within it that harmful. i appreciate my good friend saying it is an opening round of negotiations, but somewhere everybody ine, this body needs to understand one thing. we are afraid to use the word taxes. we use the word tax reform, we use the word tax cut, but none
of us say what needs to be said and that is that we need a sensible tax policy that includes the necessary increases from those who can afford those increases in order to pay for these things. it is called shared sacrifice, we haven't been doing it. we have been giving these people at the top everything they need and more and have been dumping on the middle class and the poor. if we continue down that path, we does so at our peril. rep. slaughter: you asked the most question today -- interesting question today. what happens to banks when dodd frank is gone? does anyone want to take a stab at what you think of that? it would have to be one of you two. you take away dodd frank, the same people in charge of those banks and you take away every there is -- i know something left there, i don't gley exactly what, qui
indicates not much. why do you think they will not get away with that again? nobody went to jail, it was the perfect thing. it is called: laughing all the way to the bank. rep. slaughter: if you own the bank. rep. sessions: i would remind us -- >> nobody is going to answer that? i was waiting for answer. [laughter] i'm used to that. what is the answer? what is going to prevent these banks from doing it again when we take off all restrictions, and you take away the consumer federation? >> the goal of the choice act, to forgive me for trying
advocate on behalf of the chairman of financial services, but i can to you coming from a rural community in georgia, they --ks -- banks have gotten big banks have gotten bigger and little banks are nonexistent. the idea of rolling -- repealing dodd frank is making individuals have access to free checking, banks accounts, all the services that used to exist, you mentioned four dollar atm's, but nobody said what happened to free checking? what happened to all of the free services consumers used to have that they don't have now as a result of dodd frank. it has dodd frank dunn to help small communities to help small businesses, entrepreneurs? it has done nothing. i enjoyed the gentleman's approach to wall street and i am not really worried about how big wall street gets, i am worried about main street and main street businesses and consumers who have faced the ill
effects of dodd frank and the shutting down of community banks throughout this country, georgia in particular, florida being another. i know you are from new york and it is different in new york, but in other parts of america, they have faced terrible effects. rep. slaughter: i'm from upstate new york, there are a lot of rural businesses. we have, i have five new community banks that have started up in the last three years in my district alone. we have no problem. we have some new ones -- you have some new ones to? rep. graves: no, i have fewer banks. if you look at the eve of the crisis, -- there is not a bank in oklahoma that has anything to do with the financial crisis. if you want to focus the regulation where it belongs, it
belongs on banks that pose a systemic threat to the system. that is not true of the banks in our respective districts. in terms of prosecuting people, i agree, but it was the obama administration it was an office eight years and chose not to prosecute. it was a democratic justice department. there is plenty of blame to go around. but in my world, i can take you to town after town, customer after customer, bank after bank where does it work. it must work in new york. doesn't work in oklahoma. it is hurting us a lot. many of the new bank she might refer to our new names and they are called receiver banks purchased by a failing bank by doddut of business frank regulations that were over burdensome. you can also talk to small banks and say, how many people does it take to oversee the regulations you have to provide -- abide by?
the amount of individuals they have had to hire to comply with rules and regulations that were meant to index large banks, and i hear you on that, why have large banks gotten bigger and small banks -- >> argument here, because we still have not answered the question. you have done away with it, what are --have that there they are not going to do what they did before and wreak havoc in this country and put us into gigantic recession? people lost their homes all over this country. and none of them were punished. we can talk on -- wrong impact. -- enter the financial services committee, there is a lot of testimony you can read. i know the chairman sat at the stable and i'm sure you asked. some of the same questions. the same.s are still
the impact of dodd frank are negative through our economy. i think we are all for a robust, exciting economy where jobs are being created, payrolls are getting larger. that is the goal and the effect, but for this policy and this bill, it is because of an open process. members of the appropriations committee voted to put this in this legislation. it is part of open process and there was -- >> but i think the appropriators might have said to the finance committee, we don't want to go through another ones. and you take these protections away. i'm sorry, i'm holding up a vote? >> we have no time left. >> that's all right, i wanted to make sure you had a chance. here is what we are going to do. mr. burns, do you have any questions? >> i'm still here. [applause] i want to thank this panel for your expertise and your time. mr. cole, we will see you in a few minutes.
we are going to do this series of votes and we will come back in the next -- and the next group of people that will be here include the gentleman from virginia mr. griffith, mr. and the, mr. raskin gentlewoman miss titus. that will be the next panel when we come back subject to culture. we will be in recess. thank you. i have two amendments and will try to move through them as quickly as possible. one is 67, it is a bipartisan amendment that would be used, which greatly expands civil assets for the program. the new policy revives a controversial and