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Mick Mulvaney
  White House Briefing on Government Funding  CSPAN  January 19, 2018 1:39pm-2:14pm EST

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host: part of the package that's been proposed. you can read more of that at cq quom. we're standing boy to hear -- we're standing by to hear any possible comments from chuck schumer. he's meeting with president trump. we'll take you meanwhile back to the bhoust from just a short while ago. the budget director, mick mulvaney, and legislative affairs director, mark short, briefed reporters on the potential shutdown tonight.
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>> good morning. just here to get you folks up to speed on where things stand. regarding the potential lapse in funding. the shutdown. o.m.b. is preparing for what we're calling the schumer shutdown. it still surprises me that i've been through some of these before, that the democrats in the senate are opposing a bill that they don't oppose. mr. mulvaney: they're for clean c.r.'s. they're for the extension to the chip program. many of them support the delay in some of the taxes, most specifically the medical device tax, the caddying -- the cadillac tax especiallyy. they don't oppose anything in the bill. but they are opposing the bill. i just want to let everybody know that we don't want this.
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we do not want a shutdown. but if mr. schumer insists on it, he's in a position to force this on the american people. from an o.m.b. perspective, because we're involved in managing a lapse or a shutdown, and we want to make folks understand that we -- it would look very different than it did under the previous administration. one of the things i've learned since i've been in this office is that there's no other way to describe it but the obama administration weaponized the shutdown in 2013. what they didn't tell you what that they did not encourage agencies to use carry-forward funds. funds that they were sitting on. nor did they encourage agencies to use transfer authority. that they could have made the shutdown in 2013 much less impactful. but they chose to make it worse . the only conclusion i can draw is they did so for political purposes. so it will look different this time around.
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we've also got -- we can take questions about specifics on that. mark short is also here to give you a very brief update on where we stand and then we'll take your questions for a few minutes. mr. short: thank you all for your time this morning. as mick said, last night the house passed the bipartisan bill with 230 votes. the president stands ready to sign that bill, to keep the government functioning and afloat. it appears unfortunately that senate democrats are entrenched in forcing a shutdown. i think that there's obviously a lot of hypocrisy in this town. i think there's some irony to point out. as the director said, nancy pelosi a couple years ago called them, quote, i call them legislative arsonists. referring to those who are voting for a shutdown at the time. commenting that that they're to burn down, we should be building up in terms of investment and education and scientific research.
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chuck schumer said at the time, it's sort of like this. someone goes into your house, takes your wife and children hostage, and then says, let's negotiate over the price of your house. in essence, that's the same tactic they're deploying. last night i'm sure many of you know, y'all asked senator feinstein her position and she said that the government shut down, people will die. how's she going to vote, she says she hasn't decided yet. people are going to die, i don't know how i'm going to vote on this. so, here we are. i think the reality is that this is not about policy. it's about politics. as mick said, we're not familiar with anything in this c.r. that democrats are opposing. in fact, they champion and sport chip program, this will re-authorize it for six years. i believe new study says there are nine million children now getting health insurance through that program. the reality is we will jeopardize payments for our military and our troops and those serving on the front line of our country. both at customs and border
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patrol, i.c.e., those protecting our borders and protect our country. this is a serious issue. we are frustrated obviously because mick's job is to submit a budget to congress. let's keep that in perspective. mick does that in february. congress has months to complete appropriations process. the fiscal year ends on september 30. we're now in mid january. it is frustrating to all of us that we're in this position. but what's unclear is what is it the democrats are asking in order to get out of a shutdown? it seems that they are just hell bent on getting to a shutdown. we are anxious to make sure that our troops and those serving on the front lines of our country continue to get aid. reporter: a couple things on that. i think we know what the democrats are asking for. they want a deal on daca. the president on the other hand tweeted last year that our country needs a good shutdown. isn't he getting exactly what he asked for?
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and it was the president, as i'm sure you know, the last time we had a government shutdown who said it is the president's responsibility to lead. he needs to get the players in the room, he needs to lead. so how is he going to lead on this? mr. short: a couple points there. one, the president was very active yesterday in bringing together the house votes to get 230 votes. he was speaking to freedom caucus members. i think that was where we had the best challenge yesterday. he helped get that bill accomplished. i think he's making continued calls this morning. he called both bipartisan members today. he'll continue to do that. he is leading on this issue. regarding daca, we feel that the administration has put forward our plans on this. keep in mind that secretary kelly a year ago went to congress and said, we need a solution on daca. we asked congress to fix it. we knew what was going to happen when several states sued the federal government over obama's unconstitutional policy here. we gave them plenty of heads up and warning on this. back in the fall we submitted our priorities to congress, in october. we then refind those at their
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request to say, this is too much. we basically negotiated against ourselves. and widdled down that list for them to say, here are practical things that are necessary to get to a keel on daca. we have put -- deal on daca. we have put forward that plan. you just saw a study a couple days ago that showed 2,500 people on the terror watch list are trying to get into this country every year. that is seven per day. seven per day. we think it's time to fix immigration problems in our country. and we have put forward a proposal to do exactly that. we're continuing to have conversations. i think we had productive conversations yesterday with leader mccarthy, steny hoyer, senator durbin and senator cornyn. we're about to go back up the hill to continue those conversations. i think they're making progress. what doesn't make sense is to say we're going to shut down the government, just because you're making progress. but i need something else. reporter: a couple questions. did the president's comments about s-hole countries, what
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responsible -- responsibility does he bear? mr. mulvaney: let's make one thing clear. one of the dinchingses between where we are now and 2013. the president is actively working right now to try to prevent a shutdown. i will contend to you that it's dramatically different than what president obama was doing in 2013. i was there. i was involved heavily in this in 2013 and i will tell that you it's my belief that president obama wanted a shutdown in 2013. because he thought democrats would -- republicans would get blamed. the president actively worked all day yesterday to try to get a bill through the house. and continues conversations today. so there's no way you can lay this at the feet of the president of the united states. he's actively working to try to get a deal. that's the difference. reporter: why not bring leadership here as a last ditch effort? mr. mulvaney: i think the president's continued bipartisan conversations, i'm not privy to his -- again, i'm not privy to the meetings the president may or may not be having. reporter: why not? reporter: i know we're talking government shutdown, but this
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is an important topic. 100,000 or more people taking part in the march for life today. i want to ask, the pain-capable 20-week abortion ban fast tracked in the senate, when do you expect a vote and why does the white house want a vote if it's likely to die? mr. short: i think this administration has continued to defend life from the very golf swing. the vice president last year was the first vice president to speak to the march for life. the president is hosting people here to protect life. it's an important issue for this administration. you saw with reverse of the mexico city policy the president has looked to make sure that we are making sure that taxpayer dollars are not used overseas to fund abortions. that is a commitment to this administration. we don't have a date tooze when the senate will vote. but to your question about whether or not it fails or pass, we think it's important for this administration to be on record in support of life. if i could go back to the second to last question about bringing leaders over here. keep in mind, just last week we had a bipartisan meeting here that the president organized with leadership to try to get
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to a resolution on daca. out of that meeting, discussion was, after the president depart, discussion was that the four leaders, mccarthy, durbin, cornyn, and hoyer would be the ones organizing the meetings moving forward to get to a solution. that's what we've been part of. so when you ask, why isn't the president bringing members to over here, he did. he's trying to reach the biggest issue they face, their question, which is shutting down the government over illegal immigration, he's trying to solve that problem and brought them here for that conversation. reporter: you said this was the schumer shutdown. how can it be the schumer shutdown when republicans control the white house, the house and the senate. mr. mulvaney: you know the answer to that as well as anybody. i have to laugh when people say that. we control the house and the senate and the white house. why can't you get this done you? know as well as anybody that it takes 60 votes in the senate to pass a appropriations bill. you know that. when you only have 51 votes in the senate, you have to have democrat support in order to keep the government, to fund
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the government. so that's the answer to your question. reporter: has the president asked congress to come up with a solution for the dreamers? congress was in the room, members of congress were in the room with the president last week. seem to be a fairly productive meeting. and then the whole process got blown up. it seems that the whole process was blown up by the president's comment. [inaudible] mr. mulvaney: when republicans tried to add a discussion of obamacare to the fund prague sess in 2013, -- funding process in 2013, we're accused by nancy pelosi and chuck schumer of inserting a nonfiscal, a nonfinancial issue into the spending process, in order to shut the government down. how is that not exactly what is happening today? there's no reason that you have to deal with daca this week. there's no reason you have to deal with daca before the end of february. excuse me, the middle of february. daca doesn't expire until march 5. this is purely an attempt by the senate democrats, led by mr. schumer, it's why we call it the schumer shutdown, in order to try and get a shutdown that they think this president
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gets blamed for. reporter: you're saying that you need democrats' support in the senate. so -- mr. mulvaney: we got it in the house. reporter: are there any concessions that this white house is willing to make to try to get support from those democrats? mr. mulvaney: again, go back to what i said at the opening. they don't oppose anything in there. they support chip. every member of the finance subcommittee, a democrat, has voted for this exact chip extension. they don't want the cadillac tax to go into place. they've always supported clean c.r.'s. why would you have -- those are concessions. all ordinarily you'd put up a clean c.r. and let them vote it. worked in the house. there were several democrats who voted for it. reporter: is it take it or leave it on the bill that passed the house? democrats have to support the bill in the house -- mr. mulvaney: democrats should support the bill in the senate. again, the house has passed a bill. the senate has a couple different choice. they can not take it up. this is basic civics. either they take it up and pass it. they don't pass it. or they change it and send it back to the house.
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the point of the matter is there are things on this bill that they like. they have nothing in this bill that they do not like. the only reason they are not voting for it, is that they want other things to be added to it and they want a shutdown. that's the only explanation we have. reporter: the main thing democrats want added is daca. you've said before, everyone agrees they want a solution on daca. so what is the big sticking point then on your end about including a daca fix in this bill? mr. mulvaney: i think mark mentioned. that the bill's not ready. you don't get to vote on a summary. you don't get to vote -- there have been months of work. with any major piece of legislation, it doesn't and shouldn't come together overnight. there's no daca bill to vote on. and there's no emergency in terms of the timing on daca. daca does not expire until march 5. so there's absolutely no reason to tie these two things together right now. reporter: i think it's important to remember -- mr. short: we're approaching the march 5 deadline but the
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president put forward what he asked for last fall. we've been asking congress to address this. and back to your question, the reality, is there is no legislation for them to pull up. they say there's this flake-durbin-graham proposal. there is not legislation to vote on. so when they say we need to have daca solved before you do a continuing resolution, keep government open, there's not a bill for them to even vote on. which i think shows that this is really about polypolitics and not about policy. mr. mulvaney: i think general kelly will tell you he mentioned this to the senators during his confirmation process. this administration has been trying for at least a year now to get some progress on daca and it's congress that's -- reporter: you have been the one who has been up there on capitol hill every day. what i'm getting from the podium today is this happened, it's the democrats' fault. what as a practical matter can you do between now and midnight tonight to change the equation? to get people on board with the c.r.? mr. mulvaney: one of our challenges, i don't think it's
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clear what the democrats are asking for. i accept that you're saying they want a solution to daca. but there is not bill text that they're asking republicans to bring up. short authority i think they believe for political -- mr. short: i think they believe for political reasons it's better to force a shutdown. the president is actively on the phone. what is a solution that you guys think would be necessary? we frankly think that giving the children's health insurance program, something that democrats have asked for, re-authorized and for six years was something that would attract democrat votes. unfortunately it doesn't appear to be the case. reporter: the other big story this week has been the cfpb. and your request for zero funding. are you working to reduce spending there? what's the future of the cfpb? what's english's current role there? and does she continue to draw salary? mr. mulvaney: i won't speak to litigation. but we do intend, we've asked for no money this quarter. over at the cfpb. simply because we didn't think
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it was necessary. cfpb has 177 million dollars in its reserve fund and we're able to operate next quarter off of that. so that was the reason that we asked for no money this quarter. we intend to continue to fulfill the statutory mission of the cfpb. i've told people from the day i walked in there i wasn't there to shut the place down or blow it up. but we will focus on the statutory mission and we have plenty of money in the bank to do that. reporter: you mentioned that daca is not an immediate need now because of the march 5 deadline. you know, though, that that is the sticking point for many democrats. so for people who are sitting at home and they are wondering, if there is a government shutdown, how long would this last? could this potentially go weeks like the last one was 16 days, especially since you're talking about the march 5 deadline? what is the realistic time frame of how long a shutdown could potentially last? mr. mulvaney: you all have seen, we talk about immigration and y'all have seen the quote from mr. schumer from 2013.
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but i'll read it again. he says, basically it's sort of like this. we could say we're shutting down the government, we're not going to raise the debt ceiling until you pass immigration reform. it would be governmental kay ols. there are examples of statements exactly -- bernie sanders. what they are saying, by the way, this was me back in 2013, the group that was trying to figure out a way to force a debate on obamacare repeal. what they're saying to the american people tonight is maybe we have lost the presidential election, maybe we have lost seats in the senate and the house. this is sanders talking in 2013. it doesn't matter. we can now bring the government to a shutdown, throw some 800,000 hardworking americans out on the street, we're going to get our way no matter what. this is exactly what they accused the republicans of doing back in 2013. there's absolutely no reason to have to insert a daca discussion, an immigration discussion into the funding bill today. reporter: how long should people expect -- reporter: can you expand on that? mr. mulvaney: a couple different things. o.m.b. is responsible for sort of managing the lapse.
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managing the shutdown. the military will still go to work. they will not get paid. the border will still be patrolled. hey will not get paid. folks will still be fighting fires out west. they will not get paid. the parks will be open. people won't get paid. you can see the whole list. there will be a bunch of different things, when you see -- compared to 2013, but don't lose sight of the fact that we're asking the military to work without pay. we're asking firefighters to work without pay. it's still harming the people -- no, no, it's different. parks will be open. this time. and they weren't before. let's go down the list. the parks will be open. the parks are open, but, especially if services are provided by third party, but things like the trash won't get picked up. fannie and freddie will be open. the post office will be open. the t.s.a. will be open. but all of these these people will be working fogg for nothing which -- working for
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nothing which is simply not fair. we're going to manage the shutdown differently. we're not going to weaponize it. we're not going to try and hurt people, especially people working for this federal government. but we still need congress to appropriate the funds. that's all the time we have. we'll be doing this again. so thanks very much. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit] [captions copyright national able satellite corp. 2018] host: that briefing at the white house about 11:00 a.m. eastern this morning. the senate is still in session. they haven't moved forward on the continuing resolution yet. that's because, partly because the democratic leader, chuck schumer at the white house. here's the headline -- host: here on c-span we're going to hear from you and your thoughts on the potential government shutdown. now approaching 10 hours away.
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midnight tonight. here's how to be part of the onversation -- we welcome your comments on twitter as well. we covered an event today with the defense secretary, james mattis, talking about the national defense strategy of the u.s. more broadly, specifically, though, on issues like the current budget caps and also the potential of a government shutdown tonight. here's part of what he had to say. >> will a government shutdown have serious ramifications on military operations? and if so, what are your plans for mitigation? mr. mattis: yes. [laughter] let me give you an example. this morning or last night young guys and gals somewhere in wyoming were driving off to do their weekend duty.
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there's any number of projects we have under way that keep me at the top of my game and our military at the top of our game, that are handled by civilians. all these things are going to be disrupted. those troops will arrive there at their armories by the way and told to go home. if there's a government shutdown and they will then drive a couple hundred miles back home. these are stoic young men and women. they'llistic suck it up and say, -- these are stoic young women. they'll suck it up and say, we erve, and we just tell you our maintenance activities will probably shut down, we will not be table do any more of our gear that needs maintenance. over 50% of my civilian work force will be furloughed. that's going to impact our
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contracting, it'll impact our medical facilities. it's got a huge morale impact, i'll just tell you. how long can you keep good people around when something like this happens? it is always a question that's got to hover in the back of my mind. yeah. i would just tell you that we do a lot of intelligence operations around the world and they cost money. those obviously would stop and i would just tell you that training for almost our entire reserve force will stop. you must understand the critical importance of our reserves. they're the only shock absorber we have. it's not like the old days where you could draft somebody in and 18 weeks later have them in combat with the skills they need. today's infantrymen, they're called infantrymen because they're infant soldier, young soldier, they take a year to train in order to have them ready to use the gear they have
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on them and make certain they have the ethical and tactical abilities to deal with the battlefield today. it's got a terrible impact. at the same time, the submarine that put the -- that put to sea last week will still be out for three months. god bless them, the lads won't have any email connectivity so they won't know what's going on as they cruise quietly out there as they carry out their duties. the ships at sea will continue. our lads in iraq and ghanistan will continue, the ones guiding the drones will stay at their desks and keep them overhead. we'll continue what we're doing. but the value of the american military is grossly enhanced by the sense of the american model of government, of the people, by the people, for the people, can function and carry out its governmental responsibilities.
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we're not -- i didn't serve in the marine corps for 40-odd years. i served in the u.s. marine corps. i'm accountable to you, as speaker ryan pointed out here, for those out there out there in the field, in the sea, in the air, the ones sitting in the ready room at andrews air force base they deserve -- they deserve full support and we have got to come to grips with this as a nation. part of -- hypopart of the defense secretary -- comments earlier today, we'll show that laettner our schedule on c-span, find it later on the senate in session this afternoon, no action yet on the continuing resolution. we wait to hear the outcome of the meeting between president trump and the senate democratic leader, chuck schumer a live look outside the white house and we'll be there for comments
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if there are any after that meeting. senator lindsey graham who had been one of the republican senators opposed to the c.r. in its current form tweeting this afternoon, glad to see the president and senator schumer sitting down and talking. this is welcome news to the american people, military, daca recipients. let's see if two new yorkers n agree on a deal good for the u.s.a. i believe in america anything is still possible. let's go to robert on the democrats line in illinois. the clerk: thank you for taking my call. -- caller: thank you for taking my call. i don't want to see the overnment shut down. but it's necessary because they don't want to do the daca, they want to put tattoos on their
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arms and ship them out like they did in world war ii. that's my take on it. host: next up, republican line, 10 hours until the shutdown what do you think? caller: let's shut the government down, people come here, their parents brought them here, that's messed up. if i break the law, i go to jail. how come the parents haven't gone to jail? and lindsey graham is a flip-flopper. he says he's a republican, he acts more like a democrat. he needs to get behind that president or come november he ay not be in office no more. host: as we mentioned, the house has gaveled out but are staying close. senator ryan tweeting out, make no mistake about it, senate democrats are the only ones standing in the way of a fully funded government and a re-authorized health insurance
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program for children, i urge them to reconsider is reckless shutdown. let's go to our next caller. the r: i cannot understand shut do you think our overnment. it seems to me nobody values immigration anymore in this country. and by the way irk did serve in the war, ok, and i got an ax to grind there too. have a nice day. host: immigration, not specifically on the daca but on the immigration issue, a
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reporter from bloomberg tweeting this just a little while ago. the high court will hear arguments in april on the travel ban. in oklahoma, barbara on our democrats line. caller: i'm a registered democrat but at the moment i'm extremely disappointed in them. we've got a whole bunch of kids here of our own that are legal, u.s. citizens. i feel the money that would be spent on them is being spent to keep illegal people out and in the forefront rather than the ones that are supposed to be here. i think the kems need to just back off and let the people that are legally here be here. those that are not, let them go back wherever their parents or wherever they came from. just go back. there is no reason to to keep the children that are here legally in poverty and lacking.
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thank you. host: thank you, bar br. get yurg comments and calls on the potential for a government shutdown at midnight tonight. the house passed a c.r. yesterday, 230-197. the senate still in session, waiting to move forward on a possible vote later today. lana is next on our republican line, vancouver, washington. caller: hi, thanks for taking my call. i do not understand at all what the democrats are doing. they do not stand up and fight for american citizen criminals the way they do for foreign criminals. that's the with the tom line. these folks are criminals. i'm sorry for their situation. but if i were to do that, i would go to jail and nobody would have any sympathy for my family that would be left behind. democrats i do not believe
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would feed the neighbor's children before they'd feed their own family, so what are they doing? my -- why are -- i know why they're doing this, it's a political move they want their votes, that's the only reason. and the republicans better not cave this time. we're sick and tired of it. we want donald trump as our president to stand up for the hard working american citizens and children of our country. first. americans first. and then we'll gladly help the rest. but these democrats, they do this, daca over illegal immigrants, they better be prepared to face backlash because it will be 100% on them. daca doesn't need to be done right now. daca doesn't ever need to be done, really. this is a scam. obama started this. it would be legal, our president knows and is trying to fix it. we have to stand up and take
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care of meshes first. and thank you very much for accepting my call. host: ok, here's rich in notre dame, indiana. others line. go ahead. caller: hi. thank you for taking my call and providing this coverage. been an exciting couple of tais. i want to say a few of the previous callers, i'm a student here, i know a lot of other aca students here. i don't like it to be shut down but it's ka louse to say they don't contribute anything. i do think this is beyond just daca. the c.r.s have been going on for a long time. i think it's a about time a budget passes regardless. the military needs a left arm budget, social services need a long-term budget. it's irresponsible for the republicans to keep pushing
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c.r.'s because they can't control their own caucus and it's up to the democrats to approve whatever they come up ith. host: mitch, thanks for calling. let's hear from daphne in alabama. caller: i feel like i'm a day behind. vote. holding up the health care. the health care for children. it was my understanding that there was -- they were going to approve that but then they left something off that the democrats didn't want. so i need to know what did they leave off the funding for the children's? host: the continuing resolution, the one that the house passed last night, 230-197, and the senate is considering today, would extend that children's health insurance program for six queers. democrats in both bodies called on republicans to make that
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extension for 10 years but the current measure calls for six years. let's get one more call here, dave in lexington, kentucky. republican line. caller: yeah. thank you for taking my call. host: you're on the air, go ahead. caller: i'm a, you know, i've been watching this thing with these so-called dreamers, i resent that because i've got 20 25, grandchildren and great grandchildren and they're ntitled to dreams too. host: dave, appreciate you calling. more of your calls a bit later on again. where we are at this hour with under 10 hours until a potential shutdown, the house passed the measure but they're still in town, awaiting potential further action on votes and such. the senate in session over on our companion network c-span2.
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you can continue to watch that. president trump and the democratic leader in the senate, chuck schumer, meeting at this hour in the white house. steven dennis of bloomberg covering capitol hill tweets that the chairman of the rules committee, pete sessions, tells me they're ready to vote tonight if a new c.r. deal is reached. they're prepared to call the committee into session, asap, after they have a deal and language. he's also planning to stay this weekend if needed no word on that yet. let's show you next the briefing from senate -- from house democratic leaders that just wrapped up a short while ago and more of your input later on here on c-span.