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security exemption, should you not be listening to the pentagon on how to apply tariffs? he listens to all points of view, both within his government and outside. , he made the decision to go with 25% tariffs on steel and 10% on aluminum across the board, with no country exclusions. that is the way to do it, i believe. for example, it a 10% tariff on if you start exempting countries, you have to start raising the tariffs on everybody else. as soon as you exempt one country, you have to exempt another. i understand what the pentagon said. the president made a decision. another even from the white house, looking at the opioid epidemic.
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among the speakers, jeff sessions and kiersten nielsen. this is just under one hour. the focus of this panel is interdiction and control which plays a important role in this administration. i would like to recognize attorney general sessions to begin. you can stand if you like. it is up to you.
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>> it is so good to be with you. arere at a point where we going to make progress in america. i am convinced. know progress on illegal drugs is down. availability is up and purity is up, addiction is up, and the areer of the drugs extraordinary. involved in the early 80's as a united states attorney working on these issues and we never saw anything like the deaths we are seeing today. this is unprecedented in the history of this country. it will not continue. the president has made it clear we are going to be resolute. is going toration
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respond to his declaration of a emergency and we are going to make a difference. in some of the policies that are ongoing out there. announced in july the largest medical takedown in the history of our country. a hundred 20 professionals and doctors -- over 120 professionals and doctors that were arrested and involved in the illegal prescription drugs. as much as 80% of addictions start with prescription drugs. that is a extraordinary number. that is the number we have and i have no doubt this extraordinary time starts with prescription drugs. of aso had the shutdown had 220,000 which
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sites where people could order directly through the mail, illegal drugs. fentanyl is so small and so compact and such a little bit is so powerful that it is easy to ship these through the mail. the fbi has doubled its resources to identify earlier. we're not going to let those sites get that big in the future. we're going to continue to work on that. we have indicted some 3000 people who were disturbing drugs. fraudated the opioid abuse and detection network, a data analytics system that is computere existing systems of the drug enforcement administration so we can determine what positions pharmacies and other
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distributors are moving prescription drugs. thatof them are outliers give us indications of where fraud and abuse are occurring and we can move quickly on that. that has not been done before. packages are being sent out to investigators and cases are being made. attorney said i did not think too much about it but when i looked at what happened, we knew there were six professionals. everyone of those were on this list. it made me a believer. 12 special attorneys to hotspots in the country. we have indicted two chinese nationals on fentanyl charges --
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charges. sometimes, it comes directly through the mail. we established a new program called jcode. that is the fbi program to identify through the darknet and purchase undercover drugs and to target those groups. we announced the prescription prevention and litigation task force that would utilize our civil department to file civil lawsuits. we believe we can get a injunction to stop a physician or pharmacy immediately from prescribing drugs. we can get a civil injunction and continue a criminal investigation. litigationo filed
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and a statement of interest with a multidistrict litigation effort around the country. thank you. i will in end there. this is what we are doing in our department. the people you saw earlier in the first panel -- if we do these things affectively -- we can reduce the amount of death, destruction. it is unacceptable in this great country and we will do our part. say, kelly and's leadership is going to be so important in this. people theto educate president has used the phrase just don't start.
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we need to be cautious and encourage people not to do that. thank you. >> i was struck by the bipartisan approach you have toward your litigation. going onto secretary kiersten nielsen at the department of homeland security. there are so many aspects of the interdiction law enforcement waging this battle against this crisis. we are most curious to hear the progress report and the vision for the future. thank you.
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i did it. kirstjen: good afternoon. i appreciate the opportunity to join you. i am sure you've heard before and will continue to hear. i am honored to be joined by leadership from the department. cvp here.ce and they do work every day to protect our borders and our interior from all threats. that increasingly includes opioids. the president -- when he declared a opioid crisis as a public health emergency -- sent a strong statement. the statement is america is fighting back. we will continue to do that with all the tools we have in conjunction with our partners at the department of justice and the department of state.
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since october, we have assessed the current threat, determined where we might have gaps and what else we can throw at it. this has allowed us to leverage our intelligence efforts. dhs is a law enforcement agency. agents thatiple play a role. they are leveraging investigative and intelligence efforts. we also do interdiction efforts and we have had great success, particular with our friends in mexico. we continue to look for new partners. dreaded drug, fentanyl, continues as the attorney general mentioned, to come in sizeses of all sorts and and get in the hands of people who use it in the drug flow. we look at within our borders
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and at shopping across our borders. to prevent entry, we work with the doj and state and counterparts in mexico, south and central america, and china. most importantly, to share information. that has two main purposes. one is to stop the drugs before they come in. the other is to help us s themselvese pco that are the force behind the epidemic. it facilitates the dismantlement and it also provides clear responsibilities of months tal partners to bring all we have to bear. i wanted to use one example. we have border enforcement security task forces which has one of those good acronyms.
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best. these are to investigate opioid smuggling domestically. they are in eight locations throughout the united states and it leverages more than 1000 officials and it represents more than 100 law enforcement agencies. cvp also has officers at 100 ports of entry. they not only checked billions of dollars of cargo and passengers each day. they have been focused recently on fentanyl. seizures have increased over the last three years. it was about two pounds in 2013. 2017. 1000 pounds in this drug, in small quantities, is lethal.
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they have expanded the use of canines and we are happy to report that all canines working in international mail now have the ability to detect drugs and fentanyl. while we do not see a significant amount of the opioids being trafficked by ac , other ways are increasing. sale, we aree preventingo not only them at their source but preventing their movement into an sale within our country. the ag mentioned the dark web. we support that. the secret service has cyber capability on the investigation side and they contribute to the site. so does homeland security investigations. dhs has a broad mission set but
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we do work to bring everything we have to bear. the darknet, i would just add one comment -- it is anonymous. it makes it that much more difficult to track who is doing what in terms of buying and selling. with our partners, we are doing that. the job does not end there. we work to support the apprehension and prosecution. in closing isay the sheer magnitude of this means we have to partner. that hasnot one entity all of the authorities and capacities to fight alone. we appreciate everyone in this room, your interest, your support, your partnership. we thank the president and the vice president for their continued leadership and kelly
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anne for all of her work to bring us together. >> thank you very much. it is terrific to have the state department involved and i'm happy to present to you the deputy secretary of state, mr. sullivan. >> thank you. it is a honor to be here. thank you for your leadership and to general sessions and to secretary nielsen, you might wonder why the state department is here. this is a whole government effort. this asident has made top priority for this administration. they state department is involved because the problem is not merely domestic. the opioids of that are produced overseas and they are trafficked by criminals and criminal organizations that operate trans nationally.
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the state department upon this role is to stop transnational criminal organizations and the activity they perpetuate in trafficking drugs. crisis is the opioid a whole of government effort and the state department's role is to apply its resources abroad with our partners and others to support all the work be department of justice, the department of homeland security, and the other departments are problem address this and this score just we have -- scourge we have and to enlist support of our partners and allies. this is our highest drug control priority. statelk of the department's counter narcotics work is focused on countries where opioids originate.
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opium harvested in mexico is the root of over 90% of u.s. supply of heroin. that smuggle it across -- werder and that target are strengthening cooperation with mexico to interdict illegal transports, find and punish criminals involved, and cut off their sources of funding. in december of last year, the secretary and i, along with secretary -- along with general sessions continued the strategic dialogue we have with mexico on disrupting criminal organizations. with our mexican counterparts to disrupt the revenue streams. we're also working with mexico , trainicate poppy crops
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law enforcement, enhanced border security, and bring drug traffickers to justice. the most value targets have been arrested or extradited. we support mexico's efforts to find and destroy clandestine drug raps. 2014, the department of state has funded training of over 300 mexican counterparts in special tactics. states008, the united has supported training of more than i've hundred canines who are assigned -- more than 500 canines who are assigned to state agencies. they can detect weapons, cash, and drugs. this includes fentanyl specific detection training through
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cooperation with our neighbor to the north, canada. there were new international controls in the primary ingredients used to produce fentanyl. taken at the request of the united states and our already producing results. due to this change, and dea and has seen a decline in the illicit market. our request, the u.n. commission will address controls of five other synthetic opioids, including carfentanil. the state department is also building partnerships to stop the traffic of synthetic drugs sent through international mail. these efforts allow for law enforcement to more easily interdict packages that may contain illicit fentanyl. china is a growing area of focus.
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energized by president trump's , the unitedna states and china have forged a counter narcotics relationship. as a result, china has established domestic restrictions on the production and sale of 143 substances, including fentanyl related compounds. 's tightening of regulations has contributed to the reduction of the substances on the streets of the united states. we're beginning to see a new trend of chinese chemists who are manufacturing opioids and selling them online and shipping them in small quantities. fentanyl necessary to convey a lethal dose is small. we are about small quantities of these illicit substances.
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in response, we are working closely with china to improve coordination with mail packages between our two countries. we are on a timetable to get all packages coming from china tagged with electronic eta -- data. we will continue that cooperation. collaboration is the only way we can tackle a problem that has no regard for borders. the state department will continue to pursue this fight against opioids, in partnership with other nations. thank you. [applause] >> thank you so much. it strikes america's information in many ways. we appreciate all the efforts.
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we are going to open it up for questions. from new york city. >> good afternoon. here today to be discuss such a critical issue facing our country. ima family and emergency medicine doctor. i am a family and emergency medicine doctor. i have witnessed firsthand how devastating it is not just for the user but for their families. aiken can have a detrimental impact on families -- it can have a detrimental impact on families. never forget recess attaining a young teenaged boy who was found unconscious by his friends. parts was worst having to tell his family, his mom, it was heart wrenching. i hope and pray i will never
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have to do that again. for elevating this critical issue. it is a real issue affecting families and many americans. ist i would like to know what advice does our present have for health care providers who are on the front lines? >>
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most of us know somebody in the has suffered them out way. who is homeless infantry lost their jobs and families. communication of the drugs is the long-term solution. really do believe that. i think it worked previously. i believe that will be the most successful thing. when you can speak out like you are talking about to your community that is important. in new hampshire, not that many months ago with the governor 50 mothers held large photographs overeir children who died
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drug overdoses. that is a powerful thing to see. i hope he will be touched by this. you always asked for your partnership because it is through the information you provide we can get on top of this. we need to understand where it was going and where it came from. target our enforcement activity. we thank you for everything you do. i will say that secretary tillerson once shared with me that he believes patients should told they do not need to take all of the medication. fromw you heard that secretary earlier. it just tells you how much everyone is thinking in how intertwined the issue is. we appreciate that question.
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our next question comes from princeton, west virginia. some guidanced and i think your question has to do with that. >> thank you so much. they do have a couple of prepared remarks. i have a commissioner in mercer county, west virginia. i have been active in primary prevention strategies. i know prevention actually works on the front-end. to say how it take if you a snapshot of what it is like in rural america. we started this in 1998. it was as a needed hillbilly heroin. we saw this coming. it has done harm to the individual but also society as a whole.
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the social service system we have seen have been overlooked. can tell you, from 2005 until 2012, the amount of bills that came to my community was over 16 million. west virginia has declared a state of emergency for hepatitis c. in seven counties including mine are at risk for the likes we have never seen. according to the cdc 78% of people die of overdoses every day. in west virginia we have one that dies every 10 hours. if you are looking at this from perspective, it is 20% of our annual budget. we spend more in one budget of this than on economic development in one month.
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in communities that look at treatment strategies that have a true impact and not necessarily focus on the higher population levels. that leads to my question. with opioids in rural america, with the economic disadvantaged areas. administration willing to fix these problems first? >> we are. i appreciate your comments because it is extraordinary how in our world areas are. you see it no place worse than west virginia. sohave the dea reorganized that they have had a new section
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of teams focused on kentucky, tennessee, west virginia. that is where some of the highest problems are printe. i think for of the six will go to rural areas. designated every united states attorney's office a specialist on opioid cases. they are supposed to coordinate our efforts. i know they will be identifying in rural areas some of these hotspots. it is remarkable to me how this addiction -- these opioids have impacted our rural areas. with some of the dinner you just from west virginia is shocking to me. also have the new data analytics program.
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some of what you saw in west virginia many years before never reached epidemic levels that it did. >> we recognize this does not have any geographic boundary. our national center to figure at where the risk is. it will also bring us back to the mail. it makes all areas equal. we all receive mail. working with the post office, the dea, all of that as well. thank you very much.
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i want to thank the president, whofirst lady and everyone has never said no to the parents. my wife and i volunteer for a small nonprofit in new jersey. we don't have any federal grants or state grants. -- i forgot the only way i could retire is if i work with you on the old unit epidemic. since you are both jersey girls i figured you could work that out. i am not a professional. i am just a dad who buried his son. jason was 24 when we lost him. it is just hard to fathom that my journey has taken us from his bedroom, where we lost him, to
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the east room of the white house. but actually, with all due respect, i would have traded all of this for five more minutes with him. just five. so, city of angels, although it is a small nonprofit, we think that we do some big things on the leading edge of the curve what i mean by that is, we started sending volunteers into hospitals and into emergency rooms and into police departments back in 2008. now they call them recovery coaches and hope and angel programs. so on and so to speak. my question centers around od map, another leading edge thing, and we found this down in the baltimore-d.c. area. it is actually an app for your phone where police is wanders, emergency medical technicians responded to an overdose can actually sign on and send the information and the ods would be trapped in real-time, which
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would also go to help identify the spikes. so we are hoping that if there is a possibility, that this could be done as a national model and introduced as such? i'm going to close by saying, i look at your empty chair there, kellyanne, 5394 from today, march 1 to april 1, easter sunday, that is how many chairs will be empty at easter tables, because we are losing 170 people to overdoses every day. and i would just like to close by saying, thank you very much, secretaries. you want to know me for what i have learned over the last 10 years, you do not want to be me for what eric and these other parents have gone through.
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thank you. [applause] kellyanne: thank you so much, kevin for sharing your story and making a difference for others. we will also keep you in our prayers. attorney general, you talked about data analytics and talking about data sharing to tracking overdose spikes. anything you want to talk about? ag sessions: the program started early last year and a lot of our places are looking at that around the country with three or more counties were in the initial project. it is proving successful in being adopted. i would just say that every area as a country, when you deal with this, we know that not one
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single thing is going to fix it, but a series of actions, even if it reduces the problem 5%, it helps us to be more effective and add up over time. to begin to reverse this trend. we also know, we were told that new hampshire, when i was there for the first time, i heard it said repeatedly -- you would think that when a powerful fentanyl supply starts killing people, people would flee from it. but the dea tells us, some people come, particularly the addicts, and they want more of the powerful drug. so, this kind of early identification can help deal with a spike in extremely dangerous levels of fentanyl. kellyanne: thank you very much.
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another father who has been able to take that resolve and action forward, we saw him on tape earlier -- my old friend eric boling as well as his wife, adrian. have a story to tell about their son. eric, you have a question about interdiction that you would like to pose? eric: thank you. first of all, i would like to say thank you to president trump, first lady, kellyanne, all the secretaries and the deputy secretaries, and the generals. thank you so much. law enforcement, they are on the frontline and they have been amazing, we need to thank them more. it is a tough job. some of the things they see, you would not wish on anyone. and finally, thanks to the
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parents that came here. we did not sign up for this, i certainly didn't. none of us signed up for this, it has been very difficult. my question was on the fentanyl and the illegal chinese fentanyl and i think you guys are on top of it. i think it was very important. my son died of an accidental overdose when he bought a pill on campus, he was a sophomore. it was xanax, and it turned out not to be a prescriptive xanax, but it was laced with fentanyl and he died in his sleep. where would like to mention here, he passed of september 8, 2017. on some timber, we flew out to colorado sitting with our doctor, and we are about to go to the coroner, something that no parent ever wants to do. my phone rang and it was president trump and he said, eric, i do know how you're doing it, i just want you to know that you are in my thoughts and prayers. a few weeks later, it was thanksgiving.
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the first holiday after his passing and we are talking and about to sit down with a small group of people, six or so of our family members, and there is that empty chair. i know it is going to happen, we are going to see the chair and we are going to fall apart. the turkey is on the table, and we are walking over to the table and the phone rings again. and it was president trump saying, eric, this is very difficult, it is the first holiday without your son. if you need anything, let me know. and i said, mr. president, thank you. can i talk to you about this crisis that is killing so many of our young people? he said, absolutely. that is i began talking to him and kellyanne about the opioid crisis. i got involved as a father -- i am not getting involved as a father -- i got involved as a father. i just don't want anyone else to feel the deaths of despair that you feel when you lose a child -- the depths of despair that you feel when you lose a child. i'm representing the families who are here who have lost loved ones.
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[applause] >> it is you. it is not me. general sessions, thank you for being strong on law enforcement, we appreciate that secretary. nielsen, thank you. i hope you can get the wall up so we can stop these drugs coming in through our borders. mr. sullivan, thank you so much for what you are doing. lean on china as hard as you can. my question was answered but thank you all so much. [applause] kellyanne: i just want to first of all -- these access my condolences for everyone in this room who has lost someone. secretary nielsen: we all need to work together to prevent families from feeling that pain. thank you for sharing that with us, each and everyone of you.
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i did want to pick up on something you said which is -- when it comes to border security, it is not and it should not be, as i said earlier today, political football. it israel, the threat israel. i hope that we can all work together on bipartisan legislation that will give the men and women of dhs the tools they need to secure our borders. that will help, not only with this stress but many others. we are wait to each other to give it a good shot at trying to stop the drug from getting through our country. so thank you, for raising that. secretary sullivan: i would just add on china, we work very close with the chinese government. they have listed described, as i mentioned, 143 chemicals that are now banned under chinese law.
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so law enforcement is now working on that. we are working to identify other chemicals and analogs of the opiates that also need to be addressed. there are three aspects of it. one is identifying the substances that need to be controlled and declared illegal. once that happens, working with law enforcement in other countries, and mexico for example, so that their law enforcement, with support from the departments of state and department of justice, can go after that transnational criminal organizations. finally, one thing that may be overlooked, as i mentioned in my remarks, and i think both attorney general sessions and secretary nielsen did, is the use of mail.
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we have really got to focus on that. the amount of substance that is dangerous, that can be sent by mail, is very small. we have got to work on tracking, detection, and so forth. working with international postal authorities so a lot for us to work on. it is a priority for us for secretary tillerson and for the president. thank you. kellyanne: thank you very mr. deputy secretary. all the way from anchorage, alaska. jay butler. good afternoon. >> thank you. i have the privilege of being the chief medical officer for the great state of alaska so i'm here to tell you that no part of our country is too remote or immune of the threat of the epidemic. i also have the privilege of being the incident commander for our incident response where we have brought together nine departments of state government to work together under this response. i would like to thank the
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president and all of you for being here together today. i see at least six departments from the federal government here today, maybe more. i also want to thank you for the support we have received from the federal government, particularly in terms of funding, because working together and with adequate funding, we can make a difference. in alaska, we are seeing declines in overdose deaths related to prescription opioids. the bad news, that progress is being obliterated by the influx of fentanyl with huge increases in the number of deaths related to fentanyl, even in some of our most remote villages. it is powerful, it is cheap as the general was saying earlier, and it is easily transported. we feel like much of the transport was in the 50 states and certainly within our state, is related to transport on commercial air carriers. my question is how can we
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improve the screening for illicit drugs, fentanyl and i should mention also, methamphetamine, which we are seeing more of also, on commercial air carriers, particularly in checked baggage, carry-ons and shipped packages? and more particularly, how can we help ensure that law enforcement and drug dogs have access to areas controlled by the commercial carriers? thank you. kellyanne: thank you. thank you for that question. we are celebrating 15 years of the creation of the department of homeland security which is both a happy day and a sad day. sad because we have to have a department of homeland security. we talked this morning about expanding our mission space, and part of it is with respect to drugs. as you know, particularly in navigation, we think of bombs, unruly criminal passengers, but drugs, more and more are on the top of our minds. tsa plays a role but cbp is our premier component within dhs
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that looks at foreign travel of passengers, identifying not only high risk passengers, but also parcels that might contain drugs. dogs are very important asset. we love our dogs. they do incredible work. they put themselves in danger each day as we know, unprotected. if i dog sniffs a small amount of fentanyl, it will dive we protect our officers but the area had -- it will that i -- it will die. that is where i echo the attorney general and the secretary sullivan's comments. we cannot possibly go through everyone's piece of luggage. the last thing i would mention is technology. we continue to look at technology at our ports of entry as well as airports to make sure we can get down to a level where identify and interdict even
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small amounts of drugs. so thank you for that, that is something that we need to continue to work on. kellyanne: thank you very much, mr. butler. thank you for being here. attorney general sessions, we heard a comment earlier from princeton, west virginia, that you touched upon. i was wondering if you would not mind telling us a little bit about the department of justice may be able to do to crack down on the pill mills and fraudulent prescriptions, knowing that there are tens of millions of americans who suffer from chronic pain and need these medications. we're talking about the pill mills and fraudulent prescriptions like the amount of pills that we heard of in west virginia area had ag sessions: yes. it definitely has to be looked at. we as a nation are an outlier. we consume more pain medications
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by prescription than any other country in the world by far. that is resulting in addiction, substantial percentage of addicts started with pain pills. i am sending a directive to the dea today, to look at their regulatory capabilities to see if we can perhaps reduce the number of drug being prescribed in america. it is my goal about prescription drugs in particular. we want the death rates down and we would like to see the amount of drugs prescribed down. if we are an outlier and we weigh above those rights limits and we have medicare, medicaid, and private insurance paying for these drugs to make people sick, it makes no sense whatsoever. it is killing people. we have got to tighten that up. we are above the right level now and we are taking a number of steps. the dea can fully license for somebody that they identify as an improper prescriber or a drugstore that is improperly telling, -- selling, even before a criminal case is made. we need to get better about
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shutting them down. we cannot wait a year for a criminal case to be made and they continue to prescribe drugs. we can do that through civil lawsuits and we are looking to civilly join with our state and some of the litigation they are filing and we are looking to see if there are additional civil litigation that the department of justice can take, independently of the state lawsuits. kellyanne: thank you very much. deputy secretary sullivan, secretary of homeland security
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miss nilsson and our attorney general, just russians. please join me in thanking them for this panel. [applause] >> thank you very much. we have had two panels. the first panel was about treatment and prevention and recovery and education. this panel on law-enforcement interdiction, this is a president who is committed to all three fronts. education and of course, treatment and recovery. every great movement has wonderful people who are marshaling their efforts on the ground. as a terrific administration of cabinet members, of cabinet members and senior staff. i would like to say again with great distinction and gratitude from each and everyone of us,
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the biggest stars of the show today are those families and those who are affected who have the courage to come here. we pray for you and we thank you very much for coming forward and helping us on this crisis next door. but every great movement has a leader area our leader is that president of the united dates, and it gives me great honor and pleasure to introduce you to him now. the president of the united dates, president trump. [applause] pres. trump: well, thank you very much, kellyanne. it is an honor to be with you. i just said i was going to stop over and say hello to some of the great families and some friends that have had some incredible difficulty. i know what you are going through.
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melania is here someplace, where is our first lady? where is she? where is melania? hello, darling. so -- she feels so strongly about it, kellyanne feel so strongly about it, and i do. and a great friend from new york city developer, steve would cough. -- steve witkoff, one of my great friends over the years. tremendously successful man, and -- would you want to discuss this? because we are all among friends? it is a tough thing to discuss, right? i was there when he was going through something with a very special boy, right? go ahead.
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>> i remember the hug you gave me when the world was -- when i felt that all was lost. i listen to eric's story. i love my son in 2011 and he did not buy drugs on the darknet, he bought drugs on the internet. a website owned by three of the largest u.s. corporations in the country today. so, it is not just the darknet. he was a great kid. he detoxed the first night with me. he was my special child. so, if i lost him -- i always felt hopeless before you are elected. and i have never lobbied my friend about anything. i always supported you because i always believed in you, but if mice run new that you were going to take up this battle, oh my gosh, he must the upstairs applauding every single day. i'm so grateful. thank you. [applause]
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pres. trump: and steve went through something where he thought everything was perfect. he thought everything was fine, and thought his boy was recovered then all of a sudden out of nowhere, he got some very bad news. i fully understand what you are going through. the administration is going to be rolling out policy over the next three weeks and it will be very, very strong. i've also spoken with jeff about bringing a lawsuit against some of these opioid companies. i mean, what they are doing and the way the distribution, people go to the hospital with a broken arm, and they come out addicted to painkillers. and they do not even know what happened. they go in for something minor and they come out and they are in serious shape. so we are going to very much --as you know, i think we have been involved more than any
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administration by far. it is a problem that is growing. and drugs are a similar but different problem in the sense that we have pushers and we have drug dealers that kill hundreds and hundreds of people. and most of them do not even go to jail. if you shoot one person, they give you life, they give you the death penalty. these people can kill 2000, 3000 people and nothing happens. we need strength with respect to the pushers and drug dealers. if we do not do that, you are never going to solve the problem. if you want to be weak and you want to talk about blue-ribbon committees, that is not the answer. the answer is you have to have strength and you have to have toughness. the drug dealers, the drug pushers -- they are really doing damage.
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they are really doing damage. some countries have a very, very tough penalty. the ultimate penalty. and by the way, they have much less of a drug problem than we do. we are going to have to be very strong on penalties. hopefully we can do some litigation against the opioid companies. i think it is very important because a lot of states are doing it. i can tell you if the states are doing it, why isn't the federal government doing it? [applause] pres. trump: so that will happen. that will happen. in the meantime, i want to pay my respects to everybody. some of you have gone through a lot. many of you in this room have gone through a lot. more than anyone can imagine. you are with you 100%, we are fighting for you, and we are going to win. we are going to win. thank you very much. thank you, everybody. thank you. [applause]
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can watch that anytime with the c-span mobile app. we do hope you will tune in. tzl.ing us is jonathan me thank you for being with us. we begin with the issue of mental health. who sufferividuals from that any more of a risk for being a mass shooter?
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guest: thank you for having me. this is a lot of the work i do in my scholarship. and in my teaching and things like that. understand why i return to mental illness in the aftermath of shootings. we are so traumatized by the idea that somebody sane could do that. many mass shooters do have complex psychological histories. putting also against a mental health practitioners at the heart of that issue. the kind of stereotypes in the news that we hear after mass shootings, persons with often lessesses are likely to commit violent acts towards other people. and particularly gun violence. so across the board, the rate of gun violence is 3%-4%.
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a lower rate than the general population. so people with mental illness are less likely to commit gun violence. fact, some studies show that they are more likely to be the victims of gun violence. the second point to keep in mind is that there is no diagnostic tool that a psychiatrist has. it isn't like when somebody comes to a psychiatrist and says they are suffering from psychiatrist cannot use the diagnosis of schizophrenia and say, you are more likely to commit a violent act. it is a symptom of mental violence -- of mental illness that you will shoot somebody else. there is relatively little they can do. hospitalized someone

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