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cable satellite corp. 2018] host: monday morning on the washington journal gives us a chance to discuss the week ahead in washington and we are joined uer and stevea dennis. one thing we are not expected to see debated in the senate is the issue of new gun-control legislation. why will it not be on the floor after so much discussion over the past 15 days or so? guest: republican leaders wanted to do a small package and maybe have some amendment votes where their gunls could get controls voted on and the conservatives could get things like conceal carry voted on and ultimately, that would have meant a small bill going to the house. they wanted to get that done last week or early this week but when president trump brought in the big group to the white house and sort of scrambled the jets andar as what was possible
wanted a much more comprehensive of changed the dynamic host up you cannot just pull a comprehensive bill out in a couple of days. if there is going to be a gun debate, it will probably be way down the line, potentially after the next recess. the packagescribed that was planned possibly to be voted on last week and then going to the house. is this something that starts in the senate and then goes to the house? guest: the house has already passed some gun legislation, something called fix nix which tries to repair the leaky background check system that has allowed lots of people to not be on the list to not buy a gun. not every state is putting in all the names and not every federal agency has been putting in all the names. they also attacked it onto a nationwide concealed carry reciprocity which is a priority of the common rights groups but the second priority is dead in
the senate. the democrats won't allow it and president trump last week said it's not going anywhere. it's up to the senate now to decide what they will send to the house. host: your story from last week in the national journal, the politics of gun control is changing, how so? guest: do you look at the public opinion polls in the wake of the parkland shooting, there has been a spike in support for at least broad-based gun regulations. support showed that support for more gun regulations is higher than since the end of 1993. that was the last time we had major gun legislation passed. there is more political momentum than there has been in quite some time. the big question is the politics of the senate where you have read state democrats who are up for reelection in 2018 from the states most resistant to gun control measures. you also have republicans looking at primaries in this
election season. the base is going to be very much opposed to republicans backing anymore regulations? alliances are the new you have seen as part of the scrambling of the politics? guest: it's really the suburban shift and you can see that with marco rubio coming out in the cnn town hall. was one of the first republicans needing to win over voters. it's the republicans in the house that represent suburban districts come republicans in the senate that represent big metropolitan friendly states. i am watching republicans might shift on guns in the next few months. marco rubio already has. a state withenting a big suburban population is the one to watch. the president's meeting that scrambled what was going on last week, when do you expect to see something in the
senate on gun control? guest: i think senators in both parties want the white house to actually put pen to paper and say in writing what the president will support. the last been juggling couple of days as to what the president would support. in the meeting, he seemed to support universal background checks and things like a ban on bump stocks and other significant measures. in the days afterward, they have walked back some of that support. he supports bans on bump stocks but with regulations. he wants stronger background checks but what does that mean? unless he comes at a gives those republicans, it's hard to imagine that anything more than a tiny tweak to the existing system will get through. host: the issue of guns is not on the senate floor this week so what will take place in the senate this week? guest: banking deregulation. be one of the biggest
deregulation bills since the dodd frank legislation after the financial crisis. ,t's aimed at smaller banks community banks, to give them less regulation so they can make it easier to make loans. there will be a lot of resistance from people like , liberal warren democrats concerned that this will potentially set the stage for another financial crisis if you make riskier loans. you will have banks with less reporting requirements. you could end up with, in their eyes, another problem down the road. aings look great if you are banker and you have a big pot of money and it's sitting there in reserves to protect against a downturn, that's not making you any money. you want to loan it out. they are trying to make it easier to loan it out but in a downturn, that's the real question. you need those reserves. they are changing up the reserve requirement and things like municipal bonds. will that be counted as a
reserve? what if you cannot sell it in a crisis because nobody wants to buy the bonds in a crisis or some municipality goes belly up question mark these are the nitty-gritty details that could have big implications years down the road. right now, it could mean more profits and maybe faster growth in the short run for these financial institutions. ont: that takes place capitol hill and one of your favorite times of your begins this week, officially primary season starting in texas this week. what we you be looking for? lookingemocrats will be at the nominees and there are some vulnerable house republicans. this will set the stage for the big matchups in november. i'm watching the race in houston, john culverts and represent the western suburbs of the city. bid butough reelection the democrats have a challenger of their own. they have a progressive candidate by the name of laura mosier who is a strong contender to be a nomine.
the congressional campaign committee has looked at her past writings and says she's unelectable. it's a republican friendly district. they are hoping a more pragmatic voice comes out of that field and that's what republicans are facing across the country and it takes place first in texas. you have such a large field of primaries, candidates that have not been vetted and democratic operatives might be worried that some of their candidates are a little too outside the mainstream. host: illinois as a primary in the next two weeks but in between that come the special southwestn pennsylvania. the president is getting involved himself later this week. right, the special election is in a couple of weeks in western pennsylvania. the polls show that ray's neck and neck with both sides spending over $9 million.
it's a seat that president trump one by 20 points and joe biden is going into the race to campaign. president trump will be there saturday. it has huge stakes. it's a very ominous sign for the party. host: a lot to talk about in this week i had in washington. we have an hour to do it. steve dennis is with us from bloomberg and josh krashauer. here are the numbers. we will start with brad in international falls, minnesota, republican. caller: good morning. guests both of your today talking about gun control. there has never been a law that has ever stopped killing. moreink we'll just have laws and that should fix
everything. the real problem is that we have a behavioral problem. whenannot fix the behavior you have the media and these two gents trying to dump on trump. host: i'm not sure that's what our panel was trying to do. we are talking about what's actually happening on capitol hill and the white house. president trump in that meeting last week talked about mental health and wants to be strong on the mental health side of this. what avenues are there legislatively that could concern mental health? guest: i think mental health is one area where you could potentially see a bipartisan coalition come together. there are things like funding and getting mental health records into the background check system. these have been fairly bipartisan issues in the past. they are not the kind of things that cause people who are really concerned about the second amendment to say no.
mental health could be an area where you could see some bipartisan support. thing thatd, the one could happen in the next few weeks, they will pass a big omnibus spending package. that could attract all kinds of legislative hitchhikers. host: why do we have to pass that? guest: 18 days away from the next government shutdown deadline, we have had many in the past year because congress cannot get their work done. host: there was a two-year budget agreement. guest: they have the outline of what they passed and what they will do. they will spend more money on all kinds of things, defense, domestic, everyone will get more sugar to spend in the next few weeks. that bill will have so much bipartisan support that you could potentially add certain things to it, maybe mental health grants, maybe a few tweaks and all kinds of other things.
landminestill some out there, the immigration issue is still out there, the daca kids who came here illegally with their parents, they have not been taking care of and today was supposed to be the deadline for congress to act but kicked that ae few months down the road so it's not clear what will happen. host: what about the mental health side in th and the potential for agreement? caller: guest: the opposition always finds roadblocks. it's a concern among you don't wantat everyone's mental history to be in a government controlled database. that's been a roadblock to get these provisions in legislation. you have a very vocal minority that says it's hard to find some kind of compromise in which you can get bipartisan support.
host: jerry, in new jersey, a democrat, good morning. are you with us? ron is in madison, ohio, independent, go ahead. caller: good morning. what i have seen happening is totally unbelievable. gun control, how many more laws do we need with gun control? how about let's take these politicians and go to the next penalty. how many people do we have in prisons across the land who are killers but yet they live for 20 and 30 years and nobody says anything about this. schools is about the most stupid thing i have ever heard. i thank you gentlemen. host: how many more laws do we need on gun control? guest: that's generally been the
operating procedure in congress because of the gun rights base. the nra has been influential and you have folks who have long opposed gun regulation who are much more active than their counterparts. in the wake of parkland, we have seen the intensity of the gun control base has almost been as high as the opposition to the people who side with the nra. , thee intensity gathers gap of enthusiasm of energy has narrowed. also that we are seeing democratic energy throughout the country in special elections, that also is helping the gun control advocates with some political momentum. i will showdennis, your story from last week. congress hits same hurdles on guns as it did on immigration. guest: yeah, we have seen a where a congressional
compromise seems to be coming together, the president want something bigger, and then they can't seem to get something done. maybe big compromises are down the road and the president will be able to bring people together on some bigger packages. there is a changing activism, there will be in a norm is people potentially here marching on march 24. a series ofn shootings, it's not just parkland, tulsa las vegas, sutherland springs, texas. a texas senator, john cornyn is the one taking the x bill ande fix ni background checks and he does not see anything in it for bump stocks which can turn semi-automatic rifle so they can shoot as fast as a machine gun. these are smallbore issues.
in potentially in some of these cases, they could result in fewer people getting shot. that does seem to be some real man -- real momentum for smaller issues. it wasn't just 1993, after the virginia tech shooting, a conservative democrat worked with the nra and they did tweaks to the background check system for mental health. now people are saying they did not go far enough. some of then do smallbore things that don't take anyone's guns away but make it harder to get them in the first place if you had a mental health issue or if you been convicted of a crime. host: franklin, pennsylvania, james, democrat, good morning. caller: i think our government sets a bad example flooding the world with weapons. we have a thousand military bases all over the world. want to pay to taxes for this empire so i wonder how are we going to
support this and do everything else? guest: that's a good budget question. one of the things that has happened in the last several months is deficits are going to explode, potentially doubling to $1.2 trillion and there some fiscal watchdogs say the deficit could be headed toward $2 trillion every year in the next 10 years because we have the baby boom generation retiring and a decision by the congress to cut taxes by quite a bit and we now have a bipartisan spending increase bill, all of that on the credit card. there is no new tax to pay for these things, no spending cuts to pay for these things, so you will potentially end up with an $800 billion deficit or so this year and over $1 trillion likely next year. you are starting to see interest rates go up.
the law of supply and demand, if you put in more supply of bonds come investors want to ask for a better return. is going up, the demand is going down because the federal reserve is no longer buying those bonds. interest rates have been going up on mortgages, going up on the two-year treasury notes. at some point, that starts affecting the deficit as well. if you have to roll over all that debt and investors want higher interest rates, the deficit could keep going higher and higher until somebody in congress -- congress has to be the want to say we will either spend less money or tax people. host: you mentioned supply and a man. let's talk about imports and exports. that was the subject of our first hour. the president plans to impose those tariffs on steel and aluminum sometime later this week. let's talk through the politics of that what that means for the
folks in capitol hill. guest: there is a lot of reporting that the trump decision on the timing of this decision was designed to help the republicans in the western pennsylvania district where there are a number of in the heart of old western pennsylvania. a lot of union members are also in that district. they think that gives the momentum.s some i think there will be a lot of resistance from the president's own party on capitol hill. you of artie heard several senators -- you have already heard several senators not being a fan of the protectionist rhetoric and policy coming out of the white house. maybe a backlash as other industries get carrots thrown on them in the other direction. forward, how much support does he have within his own party in terms of shifting more
protections? isn't anyre really support for the president's trade protectionism in the senate. this is probably the biggest fight behind the scenes, mostly behind the scenes the last x months, between senate republicans and the president as they send letter after letter and they sell -- and they say don't councilman after, don't impose these tariffs. the president has been strong on this issue since the 1990's when he first started talking about may running for president. you look at some of his speeches, some of them are on c-span actually, he talks about trade deals and how the united states gives getting taken advantage of. republicanst of like the idea of negotiating tougher or better but they worry that this is a blunderbuss
approach when you should be using a scalpel. people like rob portman who was a trade representative for george bush wanted more targeted steel tariffs for particular kinds of steel. thatlso have this issue the biggest country that we import steal from his canada, a huge ally, only 2% come from china. there is support for congress to crackdown on china but this does not really do it. there will be pushed back but the president does not face the prospect of both houses passing a bill and overriding av to -- a veto. he has free reign here. a billhey could write specifically saying he cannot impose these tariffs? guest: yes, congress is in charge. they have deferred to the president and given him a lot of authority on trade and other issues. at any moment in time, who both
parties linked hands and tried to roll them back, they could do that. some democrats are cheering this. they say it's about time we started to get tough on trade and they are applauding this. yesterday.ansion charles in millville, new jersey, line for independence, go ahead. talking about the gun control thing but if you are talking about the trade thing, i will give you my opinion. host: talk about whatever you want. the gun control, it's hard to get a gun in this state to begin within new jersey. even though it's harder to get a gun, we still have the same amount of crime as states where it's easier to get a gun. would like your outlook on that situation why the laws we have now are not working.
in new jersey, this is where there is competitive congressional elections as well. for gun support control. suburban areas have been more supportive for gun regulation. when you go back to the clinton in the assault weapons ban vote, a lot of republicans from suburban areas voted with the white house. president clinton's party lost a lot of rural democrats. it's as much a regional issue as a partisan one. as we see with red state raises for the senate in 2018, you see democrats are willing to side inh president trump in of -- proposing gun control and suburban members are feeling more pressure. this caller may be the exception to the role but i would imagine many republicans are running for
reelection and are facing these issues. the supporters are more national gun control are saying illinois,turban and -- like dick durbin in illinois, he says the guns don't come from illinois. they can drive two states away were gun laws are easier and go to a gun show or online. they can get guns at any number of other places and say we need to do with other countries have done where it's harder to get that gun. getactually have to maybe real control, is not just an instant background check. there is all kinds of rules that happen in states like illinois or maryland or connecticut that are imposing things like assault weapons bans and limits on capacity for the magazines.
if you can just go online and buy it or go to virginia and buy a gun's not really control system for the whole country. there are many loopholes. that is a tough issue. murphy ofthe center connecticut makes is where the only country that has this level of gun violence and a lower level of standard living. there are restrictions for buying guns and other countries where you can still get one but there are hoops to jump through. guest: the political challenge and passing wide range gun legislation is the one area where there is widespread resistance of the difference between the united states and other countries. australia banned guns no late 1960's. there is the constitutional restriction but you also have, even now, widespread resistance
to these bands of a lot of weaponry. host: chris murphy was at that meeting last week with the present and lawmakers. on gun control. he was also on abc's "this week" talking about that meeting with the president. [video clip] thehe president has potential to move mountains here. the gun lobby has had a veto that over the legislation 97% of americans support universal background checks and of the president wants to do this, he just needs to get 10 or 10 orocratic resent it -- 15 democratic senators to the table. he knows the mood of the country has shifted such that he and his party will pay a huge price in the polls in 2018 and 2020 if they don't start supporting things like universal background checks. at the same time, the nra was one of his earliest supporters once he was moving toward the nomination. consolidate the
republican establishment in 2018 and is trying to keep them happy as well. his instincts in that meeting are not wrong. if he and republicans don't start showing some movement in parkland, there'll not be as many republicans around for him in 2019 and his entire agenda and perhaps for his political salvation. host: in that meeting with the president, one of the bills that the up was referred to with n-twomeyhe manchi legislation. backgroundniversal checks that don't take guns away from people. if you buy a gun at a gun show or online, you have to get a background check first. intended to close what they call the gun show loophole. guns at gun shows, many of them are sold with that ground checks.
you can go one desk down to a non-federally licensed dealer who selling a gun. this is not a gun ban legislation, it's universal background checks. some people don't like that. they want to be able to sell their weapons and have a private sale that having any interference from the government or dealing with and asked her hurdle. it had 54 votes in 2013 after newtown but 54 is not 60. the difference between 54 and 60 is pretty big. presidentequire the to not just talk about it at ist meeting last week but murphy said, to get the republicans to feel comfortable that he will give them the cover in their primaries. party's sale to the base that this will not take the guns away.
joe manchin has made the point like in that meeting that because it is president trump and not president obama, the where people have not read every detail, it will not impact some people in a draconian way. a roundtable is coming up in our "washington journal." nick in burton west virginia, republican, go ahead. onler: i would like to speak the issue of gun control. a son to gun violence, self-inflicted 15 years ago. in the immediate months after that, i would not have been a person to ask about gun control. i think a lot of stuff is going on now on the backs of the notions. -- of emotions.
i think the state of florida failed the children and it's a terrible thing but i think it's the state of florida that failed them. i don't think it was a federal issue that failed them. i don't believe in taking away the second amendment right. host: what should florida have done? caller: this guy was in the system and was overlooked. that's what happened. brings up somehe good points about how quickly this issue has become politicized in the wake of the parkland school shooting. usually, you have a week or more to take a timeout from politics and then you have the political debate. parkland, it was 24-48 hours when people were pointing fingers of the nra and law enforcement. is a news cycle it moves so fast and there is polarization that is as tense as it's ever been. is there something
different about the staying power of the issue after parkland specifically? guest: the power of the students of captured the imagination a lot of voters across the country. there is the intensity of the gun-control activists. he time students are involved, it will have that impact. caller: host: lancaster, ohio, independent. ♪ caller: thank you for taking my call. i know nothing about guns. i know nothing about drink but what i do know is something about mental illness. you keep calling it mental illness. calle behavior of what i since trump was torn into office.
that women march and black lives matter. having schoolchildren angry over the nra. these are all hate speeches. it's a behavior of the democrats who have come out to resist trump and get them out of office. i don't know what to say about that. to me, it feels like the flip side of the marches against president obama. when somebody wants to make , this is a big, diverse country and people come out and resist those changes. host: we are talking about the tea party movement? throughes, you can see those windows, there were
thousands of people protesting president obama and the health 2009 and 2010. that's the democratic process. certainly, there will potentially -- we have already seen a lot of marches across the isntry, democratic activism probably the highest i have seen during theor 2008 iraq war in particular. it seems to get democratic votes and activism up. you are seeing democracy of work, how people can disagree on the actual speech and how people are going to for being personal or going outside the bounds of proper discourse but people are concerned in this country right now. people are worried about what they are seeing at the white house.
and there is a lot of angst out there that is translating into politics. we will see potentially in the next few weeks. --actually try and -- trent let's see if it translates into votes. that will be an issue in september. >> the parallel of the tea party movement is that you are seeing this tremendous activism and energy from the base. back then it was the republican party and now it's the democrats but there is also a concern that that energy may be channeled into polarizing issues. these issues are hard to reach a copper my. activists want to impeach trump but a majority of the president will not like the president. that youa real worry cannot control the grassroots. they will do what they will do
and the establishment realized in 2009 that once you lose control, things going on predictable directions. host: toledo, ohio, democrat, good morning. caller: thank you for listening to me. i'm going to be 68 in a few days. i just have these opinions about what you are talking about. first of all, i don't think it's a matter of great change that we have a problem with. president johnson made great changes to the good and it was called the great generation, i believe. it was a great generation. men could go to work and women could stay home to raise the children. and's,asn't any if's,
and bots unless the mother and father both had to go to work. that did not happen in my family, thank and i'm glad. poliohough my mother had when i was 1.5 years old. i respected her and i thought she was a little deranged but who doesn't think their parents are a little deranged? up to today.s what is your question? checks,on background universal bank round checks period. the only one that does not benefit from it are people who are felons, unfortunately, and they have to wait number of years to get to buy a pistol or anything again. i think they are the only ones who are hurt by that. selling gunsng and in general, it's not a problem. problem if you are
talking about unregulated sales. or unauthorized sales of guns. that's what i am thinking. are those issues being addressed? guest: yes, if you support universal background checks, that bill is trying to get there. there are still some exceptions in that bill like family transfers and things like that. we have not seen a large number even a handful, come out and say they will support that bill. meeting on cnn, marco rubio went back to the capital and still opposes it. john cornyn did not sound excited about it. know, even though we have seen the polls as high as
97% support for universal background checks, the reality the nra came out strongly against that billiards ago and you don't know viewed and get a certain kind of racing. >> all of this online at c-span.org. the house is gaveling back in for votes on bills they debated earlier. ofhe lesor filingnder the re. thclerk: rert to accompany usresoluti, resoluon oving foconsideration of the .r. 1119 to aplish the ronmenl prottion en s ee rtain sionsnocations for estg electric uy pridg fo cer thbl h.7,allow for judicial rw