tv Washington Journal Alexi Mc Cammond and Stephan Dinan CSPAN March 12, 2018 5:26pm-6:04pm EDT
>> watch "the communicators" tonight 8:00 eastern on c-span 2. >> u.s. house is back in session tomorrow when they take up a bill that would allow terminally ill patients to try experimental drugs. on wednesday members will consider a bill to train teachers and law enforcement on how to prevent gun violence in schools. the week a measure to fund the government passed march 23rd. side of the capital senate in session now working on legislation that would ease. with a finalations vote expected by end of the week. follow -- you can follow the house live here on c-span. for more on the week ahead, we take a look at the today's journal."n host: joining us for round table discussion. diamondined by steven and alexi mccammond. us.ks for joining
stefan dinan let's start with you. thishite house proposal week. what do you think the white this?wants from guest: the white house wants to begin this debate and be seeing proactive. while not crossing too many allies on capitol hill. what happens from here it's a good question. this should at least produce some action at some point of the future on the capitol hill. has saidthe president these are at least the starting points. a quick buildthan we'll see in the house, there's of lot scheduled action. iting e what the schedule will be. is thatthe actual bill reaches the floor is a good question.
what has been most surprised about this debate is the number of bipartisan proposals -- 5, 6, 7 different bipartisan reposes senatorarticularly from rubio and senator nelson from florida signing onto two of them. the question is, do folks try to gun bill orle, big tried to move those individually? do they put one bill on the floor and let it get amended, similar to what was supposed to happen for immigration. host: what do you think we may see as far eyes it being received by those on capitol hill? guest: we have re: seen chuck schumer is not happy with this white house proposal. initiallyse trump supported the age limit, and this bill does not include that. so there is the worry that trump says one thing when cameras are
around and that in private, he is changing his mind and thinking about what the nra would be happy or unhappy with. he is worried he is basing their -- there are many bipartisan proposals out there, so it will be interesting to see, given how many are out there and that democrats will clearly be unhappy -- where will they move forward. of we can expect in terms differing -- defering to the state. asst: the one thing i think, we go forward, it maybe important to think about what is likely to be in the bill. things like stiffening the number of records that get reported to the national back ground check system. that theomething
cornyn and murphy built has at least 50 cosponsors, which is the magic number in the senate. it is likely if congress does do anything, it will be likely in whatever comes out of congress. the key battleground area will be the age limit proposal we were talking about and how much do you expand the universe of people subject to those background checks. that is -- viewers may remember bill aftermanchin sandy hook. that is probably where the real battleground is at this point. the president had suggested support for that in some of these white house meetings. where we probably will not go -- we are probably not going to see something, in the end, on an assault weapons ban. host: ultimately, do you think we will see something?
because we have been down this road before in congress after shootings. do you think this will actually have some type of result? guest: we all know congress can be stalled and sometimes does not act unless there is pressure. there is a significant amount of pressure, not only from the nra but from students protesting. but a bill that passed the house in december -- that is the biggest chance of having something that will pass. it has stalled in the senate so far. it has a lot of bipartisan support. people think it is the one chance to get something passed copperheads of way at the federal level -- again, that is only addressing one issue of the background check system. there are so made proposals being put forward they may feel paralyzed. guest: there are two types of legislation congress does. one is where each side gets something they want or accept
something they did not want in the bill. then, the lease, denominator type of legislating, where you do the bare minimum everyone can agree to. right now, we are sort of looking in the grand bargain legislation. there are bills that have broad support, the question is can republicans get concealed carry representative -- robert -- allowing people in one state to conceal carry in another state. that is something the gop wants. will they get that in exchange for going broader on something like background checks? so we are in a place where lawmakers are looking to see what they get out of the ground bargain. in the end, we may return to these, and denominator and just do the bare minimum we can agree to -- the corollary would be the immigration debate we went
through, where we had the daca proposal, and most folks on capitol hill believe there needs to be what -- some sort of permanent solution for dreamers. the question is how much more did republicans want then democrats want? because they were going for the grand bargain and the bargain blew up, we did not even get the lease, and denominator. it seemed, for a moment, we work looking to get at least a lease, dumb nominator -- a least common denominator bill. host: if you want to ask questions, democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. (202) 748-8002 for independents. you can also post your thoughts on twitter at @cspanwj. atr story today takes a look a trip taken by the president. what will he do? guest: he will go to southern california to look at the border wall prototypes.
he basically created a contest for companies to submit plans for new types of border walls. for, basically, a 21st century version. there are, i believe, eight prototypes. they have been tested with breach testing. team style groups have tried to penetrate these, see if they can climb over them, joel them -- he will visit some them.ust all of -- the main thing is this is an formpt to push his desire more than 700 miles of replacement and new border wall along the border, which is part of what he was looking for in .hat immigration deal maybe more immediately, that will become part of the spending bill congress needs in two weeks. host: steve mentioned it, but
daca -- we had a deadline, and go. what is the potential of something being done? the march 5 deadline sort of came and went, and the dreamers under daca are not under threat of deportation anymore. neil applicant -- new applicants can not apply for daca projections now. congress does not really act unless there is pressure, especially under pressure of a deadline, and now that the march 5 deadline is gone, i do not think there will be any immediate action on daca and immigration. he sees curious, after these prototypes, if he is willing to talk about the issue of border security. maybe not necessarily immigration, but border security. i do not think that will bring the immigration debate back
anytime soon. the borderalk about wall -- what about the funding aspect. the president has been asking for money about this and democrats have pushed back. what is the possibility he may receive? isst: the next deadline march 23, when the spending bill will hopefully be done. one question is whether there will be funding for the border wall in there. there are a number of other immigration funding issues also popping up, such as detention beds. this is the next chance for congress to weigh in on the president's overall immigration enforcement scheme. we are already seeing some resistance from democrats to the number of detention beds, to hold people the government is trying to deport. democrats are already resisting the number republicans are asking for in that bill.
that march 23 deadline will be the next fight for this. originally, the president was seeking $1.6 billion for 70-some fencing this new fiscal year. we are already halfway through the fiscal year, and he offered several different proposals for a complete border wall over 10 years. so what one -- so what congress will try to do, we will have to wait. host: we have calls waiting for you. betty, green bay, you're on with our guests. caller: as far as the gun control laws, nothing will be people thate the are killed -- it seems they are abstract to congress. why don't they show the crime
scenes to them? if they saw crime scenes, they may change their mind. that is just my opinion. because nothing will ever be done, because they are getting paid i the nra--. paid by the nra. besides the nra, they are giving grades by each -- to each congressperson. is this school? this is all about money. host: it is all about money, all about the nra. is thecertainly, that main argument people use against republicans -- tried to tie the amount of money they received from the nra to their stance on gun policy. the interesting thing about viewing the crime scene, the president held a listening session with survivors from the parkland shooting. you saw people on both sides of the aisle commending the
president for speaking to the families, the students -- the visibility is there. i do not know if that would be enough to change their minds. there is a lot of political calculus behind this. we are seeing this in the proposal, the difference between what the president said in front is aneras -- the nra argument, but it is not the only reason. had its ownss has shootings -- gabrielle giffords and then steve scalise. guest: one of the differences has been the activism of the students from the high school in itself. it is sort of fascinating -- another parallel between that and the immigration debate, where the dreamers themselves really pushed the immigration debate on to lawmakers. have begun to do
that activism. maybe not exactly the same thing as the crime scene photos, but the students bringing their stories -- directly to lawmakers. it is a wonderful may 4 tv type of story. in the weeks after the shooting, you could not turn on the tv without seeing another one making demands. so we will see a lot in terms of what actions students are taking , knocking on lawmakers' doors and saying this is my story. host: an event later in march -- so more activism there. let's go to anne in washington, d.c. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. there has been a lot of emotion. i would like to ask -- there has
been a lot of emotion about ,ending the daca people away but have the president and congress considered how much it would cost to send it hundred thousand people out of the 800,000 people out of the country and what is the cost of the deficit they leave behind in our culture? have they considered that? any numbers? actually have done -- there are all sorts of cost estimates out there on this. literally deporting -- having the government go out and apprehend and process and remove every single one of these people , there is a cost estimate out. i do not remember it off the top of my head. there is also a specific cost estimate for how much legalizing them what cost in new government services, tax benefits they are eligible for. may be debate, it is
surprising for congress that economics and costs are not part of this debate. they are part of so many other debates, but this is really an argument based on law and order and nation of immigrants, those arguments clashing, and moral arguments over what we owe to illegal immigrants, most of which came as children, for basically having grown up americans in anything but name. there are cost estimates, but the battleground on capitol hill has been far more those ideological issues. host: one of those, the justice department versus the state of california about sanctuary cities. what do you think that does for the debate? guest: jeff sessions has been pushing forward this idea of century cities since he took office. going to california changes that in terms of it will reinforce his argument. that will place these multiple
issues happening on immigration. they can sort of confused people on what is going on. like you were saying, the march 23 deadline, that will be critical for us to look at, because last time democrats were promised a vote on the floor on daca. they brought multiple, bipartisan proposals. they were all shot down. so we should look to see whether or not they were so upset about these century cities, the lawsuit happening, or trump not acting on daca to either shut down the government or demand action on this spending bill. host: what is "axios"? guest: "axios" is a wonderful new website. you can find us at axios.com. we have multiple daily newsletters. host: stephen dinan with the "washington times." he is their politics editor.
what are you working on? guest: lots of immigration coverage. obviously, the president has last 14ryone busy the months. it has been an interesting time. host: bill in oregon, democrat line. caller: yes, this is bill from oregon. my comments are what the president is suggesting, giving weapons to the teachers or training them, does not take into account that automatic weapons brought in by an attacker -- the pistol that the teacher would be packing or trained in would not be able to compete. with an automatic weapon in a firefight. the other suggestion is maybe the schools could be designed with a safe room, a room that is armored enough to protect the occupants inside, with an outside phone line.
if there's going to be teachers with guns, maybe they'd be a peephole where can look out and not get shot that kid i think the president's comments does not have much life experience in it. a bad suggestion. of a safe room is interesting. i do not know if i have heard that so far. but i agree on this idea of a fire on fire fight. that is a popular argument. stopping a guy with a gun is just on by arming more people -- this idea of arming teachers is very controversial, especially among lobby organizations that include many teachers and school employees. this white house proposal suggests it is on a volunteer basis and they will provide training, so if they are going
to do it, that is a step in the right direction -- providing training and doing it for people who only want to volunteer in that role. but again, we saw enforcement officials at these golden the parkland shooting did not necessarily stepped in and take action even though they were armed. i do not know if these teachers would become double stepping in even if they were arms. host: are these proposals just to give states voluntary coverage of what they would like or would this be a mandate from washington? guest: not a mandate. basically a boost for those looking for districts and states looking to do this. the bill that is on the house for this week is about offering money to states and school districts to do risk and safety assessments to figure out their vulnerabilities to all sorts of safety risks, particularly
shooting risks, and go from there. i think the bill is on the suspension calendar, which is a fast track calendar for the house, which tells you how much bipartisan support there is for that sort of option of getting -- giving more money to push the states and localities to do their own evaluations of their vulnerability. host: the stop school violence act, to be voted on wednesday. let's go to cleveland, tennessee, republican line. byron. caller: good morning. some of these sporting goods stores should step up and theide a safe to put in schools like that and have a couple of ar-15 style weapons in there, plus have some handguns in their also, and train those teachers.
theave a club in cleveland, clue when hunting and rifle pistol club, and they do a lot of training. they have certified instructors to train. i am sure they would be happy to train the teachers. people do not realize is these teachers are targets also, so they can step up and be in the middle of it and not realize it. one of your callers called in about automatic weapons -- automatic weapons are banned anyway. rifles are style semiautomatic, just like pistols. people need to be aware of that. -- buying a gun at 21 -- guest: many republicans are opposed to that on capitol hill.
there are some who have come out -- particularly marco rubio -- two came out in support of the increase from 18 to 21, but there are a number of republicans on capitol hill who have expressed opposition to that. the increased from 18 to 21 was part of the bill that governor scott signed in florida, and filed hours, the nra had a lawsuit -- actually, bump stocks are also banned, the aftermarket out on that essentially makes a semi automatic rifle and automatic rifle. the age limit was increased and bump stocks were banned in florida. the nra sued over the age limit but not over the bump stocks. i would have expected the exact opposite. the point being the nra has made its opposition to the age limit
increased known, as have a republicansportant on capitol hill. host: to change topics a bit, a special election scheduled for tuesday. set this up for us. what is the deal and one of the state's best steaks -- stakes? in pennsylvania, a reliably republican district, but it is an accrued -- extremely close race between democrat conor lamb and republican rick saccone. i was talking to a national republican operative the other day, and this worry about the election is real. they consider the republican to be a lackluster candidate and would go so far to say the democrat is a good candidate. he is running on this republican-lite platform.
he is a moderate, a former federal prosecutor. he personally opposes abortion. he is appealing to moderates, and has gone so far as to distance himself from washington democrats. the narrative so far is it is more of a referendum on donald trump than anything else. i think republicans are worried republicane this seat, what will it mean for the midterm elections? host: if it is a referendum on the trump administration, what are they doing to shore their bets? guest: this weekend, they sent in the president to make it clear that he sees it as a referendum on his administration. i was surprised how willing he was to embrace that and say "you are my people. specialour or five elections last year, special house elections.
though some of the races were tighter than we thought, republicans managed to hold all of those republican seats. we are on at said winning streak. in fact, republicans have done pretty bad in elections. they lost the alabama special election for a senate seat. they lost what appears to be a historic number of state house special elections. the one area they have not suffered defeat is u.s. house special elections. there is a lot riding on if they lose that. if they lose that, they will have lost every single level of the. host: electorate battlegroundhost: let's hear the sales pitch from the president. [video clip] >> our new slogan when we start running in -- can you believe it? two years from now?
is going to be "keep america great!" exclamation point. "keep america great!" but we can only do that if we elect people who are going to back oru agenda -- our agenda and fight for our values. and that is why we have to defeat nancy pelosi -- [boos] and maxine waters, a very low iq individual. you ever see her? you ever seen her? we will impeach him, impeach the president" -- but he has not done anything wrong. "it does not matter, we will impeach him." she is a low iq individual.
but you have maxine waters, and you have plenty of others. i mean, nancy pelosi -- you cannot have that. the sham. -- lamb he's trying to act like a republican. look, i do not know him. i hear he is a nice guy. i hear he is good looking -- i think i am better looking. and he is slightly younger than me. he is ok. he is all right. personally, i like rick saccone. i think he's handsome. [cheers] and you did a great job on television today. that was a great interview. he's really good. mccammond -- lead
up, and at the very end, talk about the district. guest: he spent the majority of his speech not talking about rick saccone. ,axios" reported last night after speaking to four officials, that trump is privately trashing rick saccone. he doesn't think he's good. that is reflected in the fact that he spent the majority of the time talking about himself. no one can truly believe he was there to stop for rick saccone. and how much will that affect voters enthusiasm to vote forrick saccone? if i were a republican voter in that district, i would have left that rally going great, i love trump, who is saccone? guest: there is an interesting
battle shaping up in this district. several papers have written about it, including mine, about the unions and the power of unions. this is trump country. these are the working class union members who delivered pennsylvania and wisconsin and michigan, which is one of the reasons why these special elections -- this is the exact battleground where trump won the presidency, flipping rust belt states. the president is making this page to those folks -- pitch to those folks. ter whoome -- doesn't mat is in the race. the democrats talk a good game. do not believe him. you are going out to vote for me or against me. my the same token, the unions are saying -- they are trying to say this is not about donald trump. the unions are an interesting balancing act, where they are
downplaying the president in this race. saying this really is about the two candidates in the race, and the democrat better matches this district it we will see has the better megaphone come tomorrow. host: what is the spending like in this race? guest: astronomical. outside groups have definitely gotten into it. and in terms of the actual specific campaign, the democrat has done far better. host: what is the polling like in this race? guest: very tight. i will say something about funding. has had $10 million spent in media at for him. not even from his own campaign. from outside groups. and conor lamb has spent around $4 million. that is a big discrepancy. that reflects republican worries they could lose this race. to donald trump's point about conor lamb pretending to be
republican --conor lamb represents this moderate democrat that could actually be the key to getting things done in congress. the very far left, progressive democrats will not work with the other side nearly as willingly as moderate democrats like conor lamb will. that is just a campaign talking point on trump's part, but pulling back on that, he is someone who could work across the aisles. host: blacksburg, virginia, tracy is next. caller: i am a teacher. my one comment about arming -- i think it is ridiculous speed we have so much responsibility taking care of the kids, and o leonard downie. leonard downey.
and it is a leveler the way to many things and she is trying to take that away. >> the idea that empty thoughts be heading this commission under president trump and what she brings as far as the ability to do that. think think is real concern that he is not necessarily prepared to leave this commission. think commission, first of all
is unprecedented so hard for her to see whathe past she could do and the 60 minutes interview timely and has people riled up. the trining thing, though, trump sort of, i think, that rally in pennsylvania, slammed the idea of having a commission to deal crisis and said that is not adequate. adequate in solving the gun control issue. people are clearly worried about leaving this and will have to come forward with b the specifics. commissionfirst time has been created to stud day problem to the end result of what, i don't know. one thing the teacher caller mentioned, before it took
issuesting tactic on the of arming school personnel, the governor signed localallow giving superintendents and sheriff's departments the law enforcement ability to decide to go about training and certifying but doesn't apply to classroom teachers and aploys to other fact in thele. >> s so you know, their way of dealing with teach ear concern of teachers having so much else to do they should not the ones up a weapon in these situations florida put that into to craft that. i don't know how it will work out. they did try to craft it around having thef teachers. >> from maryland, the democrat's lynn. jesse, hello? jesse from maryland, hello, go ahead. >> good morning. >> you are on. >> we talk about this stuff.
cal my question is this: why doesn't the president declare california? you know what marshal law is, sir? effect would it do? what?l law toward >> move in the military ap take over. >> host: to what point? >> caller: to all of the illegals out there. >> caller: ok. there.eave it >> host: back to the tongue of immigration and california not the first time on these kinds of things. >> i think it is important if you flock the documents behind some, four, there is lawsuits have decorations where in this case, four high level
administration officials fired documents that gave theence behind why president is or by y the justice departments opposition and thinks the california laws are lel ap unconstitutional and being sanctuary. >> good evening, everybody, and welcome. i am mark. executive vice president at arizona state you university and delighted to welcome you here to the o'connorf washington, d.c. center for arizona state university that is named for two distinguished arizona leaders, ambassador and sandra day o'connor and appreciative of the family for allow thisinment to to occur. and so we are deluded to open this week. have a whole week