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>> i would like to welcome our witnesses today. lieutenant general paul nakasone , president trump's nominee to be the next director of the national security agency. general, congratulations on your nomination. i would like to start by recognizing your wife susan. she is here with us today and ara, four children, sr
at the university of your son studying at the university of virginia. thank you.kasone: our goal is to enable the committee to discuss the qualifications. the lieutenant general has provided substantive written responses to the 45 questions asked by the committee and of course, committee members will be able to ask additional questions and hear from him in open session. he graduated from st. john's university and earned a masters degree from the university of southern california and the united states army war college. he served honorably in the united states army for over 40 years including deployments to afghanistan, iraq, and the republic of korea.
he commanded the cyber national mission force at the united states cyber command. general, your bring us to leave the national security agency at a time of significant debate are lawful.ools i am hoping that you will be an influential and forceful advocate for those foreign intelligence tools that you believe are necessary to keep the country safe. as i have mentioned to others, i can assure you that this committee will conduct vigorous thistime oversight of agency and its activities. we will expect honest, complete, and timely responses.
favorablyeen reported and i look for to supporting your nomination. i want to thank you again for being here. we received a statement from the electronic privacy information center and asked that it be entered into the hearing record. i would ask members for unanimous consent that that be entered into the record. now handed over to the vice-chairman for his lengthy comments. [laughter] mr. chairman. since no one is here, i am sure that people will be hanging on my every word. it's the to see you again. i believe actually you are the thet director -- as
director of nsa and ciber, but this is the first nsa director who has appeared before the committee. meeting and slightly extended remarks. obviously if confirmed, you will take charge of one of the most important assignments in our government and the intelligence committee. you will be interested to lead thousands of dedicated men and women in the nsa. it will be your job to make sure accurate and timely intelligence is provided. you'll be tasked with safeguarding the united states and outsmarting our adversaries. comas commander of cyber you will have to respond to threats and conduct operations when or do do so. you must also ensure that the
nsa operates within the law and continues to detect the privacy and civil liberties of americans. the nsa must continue to operate within the parameters all that law, particularly five is a law, making sure that no americans making surer law, not americans are targeted without warrant. your nomination comes at the critical time. as i look around the world, i see threats and challenges to our country. frankly, our alliances have established peace and prosperity since world war ii. we have also seen domestic threats with leaks and sometimes this has undermine the morale of your workforce. the u.s. must have the best intelligence. i am concerned about the rise of potential nationstate adversaries and their policies which aim to disrupt the
international order. in particular, we should all be alarmed by the destabilizing rule -- role-played by vladimir putin's russia. and there are very few restrictions mr. malfoy has put actions.ents' the heads of our intelligence agencies were here a month ago and all indicated that russia will try to continue to interfere in our elections. these activities demand a strong response. we have a cyber doctrine that deter otherer -- nations. we need to make sure that they know, whether it is russia or
other adversaries, that there will be consequences to their actions. of action,ur lack friendly, has encouraged other nations to act with impunity. i also worry that we are on the cusp of a paradigm shift in not prevailre poised to against well resourced competitive -- competitors. top dozen chinese technology firms have already entered or are poised to enter the united states and western markets. these firms maintain relationships with and provide access to the chinese government that is unlike anything we have seen with other developed nations. what we want to encourage an open economy, what are the potential risks to our society?
the unitedill behind states and r&d expenditures, but not for long. isna's r&d expenditures going up and we are increasing at for presenting your. the lines will shortly cross in positioning itself to be a global leader in bioengineering and that has serious implications for privacy and national security. i believe the nsa will play a critical role in keeping our nation ahead in this world of emerging technologies. finally, i would like to hear your thoughts about the dedicated men and women of the nsa. these are men and women who work in silence to keep us safe. they have taken a beating recently from those who question
their motivations, there honestly. i know these attacks obscure the truth. my colleagues and i know that the memorial wall lists the thes of those who have made ultimate sacrifice for their countries while serving in silence. again, thank you for holding this hearing and i look forward to the general's comments. -the vice-chairman. general, if you would stand and raise your right hand. do you solemnly swear to give this committee the truth of truth, and nothing but the truth? lt. gen. nakasone: i do. sen. burr: general, before we moved to your statement, i will ask you to answer five standard questions the committee poses to each nominee.
they require a simple yes or no response for the record. do you agree to appear before the committee here or in any other venue when invited? lt. gen. nakasone: yes. sen. burr: if confirmed, do you agree to send officials from your office to appear before the committee and designated staff? lt. gen. nakasone: yes. sen. burr: to you agreed to -- do you agree to provide legislative responsibilities? will you ensure that your office will provide such materials when requested? lt. gen. nakasone: yes, mr. chairman. sen. burr: do you agree to provide all intelligence activities? lt. gen. nakasone: yes, mr. chairman. lt. gen. nakasone: we can recognize -- sen. burr: i will recognize members for up to five minutes.
lt. gen. nakasone: i am honored .o testify here i want to thank president trump, secretary mattis, director coats , and general dunford for their confidence in nominating me for these important positions. i would also like to thank my wife susan for being here. i owe much of my success to her loving support through 25 years of legend -- of marriage. we're tremendously proud of our children and thankful for their selflessness and support. i would also like to thank admiral mike rogers for his 35 years of service to the nation and for leading the nsa during a time of incredible transformation and growth. i think him and his wife dana for all they have done in service to our nation.
i commissioned in the army over 31 years ago and for the past three decades have served in intelligence and leadership positions at home and abroad, in peace and in war. if confirmed, this will be my fourth assignment to nsa. assessments, i have whats been impressed by awaits everyone who enters the building. defend the nation, secure the future. i know the national security agency is a special member of andintelligence committee its unique importance in the defense of our nation. throughout the agency's 65 years of service, one constant has remained -- the quality of the people. these men and women are national treasures.
confirmed, this will be the source of continued success. my focus will begin and end with them. , i haveut my career been a generator and consumer of nsa projects and know the role a securitylay as agency. confirmed, i him committed to upholding the reputation of the agency as a provider of mission-critical intelligence for our military and government. i recognize our nations adversaries continue to pose threats. in light of this, the importance of ineffective national security agency continues to be important to our natural -- national
defense. a are at the forefront of technological evolution for our country. this involves quantum computing as wills the capabilities of the technological agency. i know a strong public-private partnership will be needed to make sure the country develops from the leading technology being developed and implemented today into the future. the nomination is to lead the nsa and cyber command. while the cooperation of the organizations has been critical to the growth, i see them as unique identity -- as unique identities. i'm committed to assessing the needs of both to ensure there'd success in the defense bar nation. if i am confirmed, i will ensure
our customers can continue to rely on products to combat increasingly adaptive adversaries. equally i will ensure the national security agency upholds full compliance with our laws. i am deeply honored to be considered. i look forward to moving with the committee. chairman, thank you for the opportunity to be here this morning. i am honored to answer your question. sen. burr: general, thank you for your service to this country. leave with what you have a contest, but i think greater things are ahead of us for you in this country and we are grateful for your willingness in your family's willingness to take this next chapter. toore we begin, i would like
advise members pursuant to senate resolution 400, this nomination on referral from the first -- armed services committee -- we have -- days to report to the full senate. it is my intention to move a vote on this nomination as soon as we can. therefore, for planning purposes if any members wish to submit questions for the record, please do so by close of business today. the that, we will go into five-minute round by seniority, and i will recognize myself first. general -- leaks of classified information this committee takes very seriously and we believe puts sensitive methods and sources at risk and can cause irreparable damage to our national security.
we have recommended in danced penalties on those found guilty of disclosures. -- enhanced penalties. chairman,akasone: mr. the safeguard of our national secrets, the safeguard of our capabilities as one of the most important things the next director will continue to address. if confirmed, i will look initiative, to make sure that we continue to darcyhe safeguard and safeguard of our national treasures. first, i would continue to hire great people at the nsa. not only hiring them, but training them, developing them.
the second thing though, there are mechanisms that we need to continue to look at. need to make sure that we secure our environment. sen. burr: general, do i have that you will, as timely as you can, notify the committee, and will you continually notify the committee on progress that the nsa makes toward present -- preventing and the touring unauthorized -- deterring unauthorized leaks? certainly,kasone: mr. chairman. sen. burr: fiscal year 2017 included versions for the nsa to recruit entertain -- retrain -- and retain employees, but
nonetheless nsa employees will still be comforted less than private sector counterparts. anddo you plan to recruit retain with the compensation gap with the private sector question thankt. gen. nakasone: you to the committee for the intelligence authorization act. i think that is an important elements, an important ability for the next director to look at in the future. the one thing that sets nsa apart is the mission. i believe the most critical is ensure ouro people understand and are able to work this very important mission. , secure theation future. this is essential for us.
saychairman, i would also as we look to the future, we have to continue to have broad ability to promote from a very diverse population. academia. within the government. i think this is critical to continue to attract our brightest and best. sen. burr: are you familiar with nsa 21? lt. gen. nakasone: yes, mr. chairman, i am. sen. burr: can you briefly comment on your views on that initiative, which is to prepare a more efficient and effective nsa? lt. gen. nakasone: nsa 21, as i understand it, is the largest organization of the agency since 2000 and that is significant if that 80% of the agency has been hired since 9/11 . it was designed to address a number of changes in our
environment, changes to our networks, changes to our budget. i would say to date, it has been substantiated at the end of 2017 wantf confirmed, i would to take a look, evaluate what has been done, look at what has been successful, and continue that dialogue with the committee. sen. burr: you have a commitment to do that. with that, my time is expired. vice chairman? >> thank you. general, thank you for your service. one of the things this committee prides itself on is our strong working relationship with all components of the intelligence community. anyou are aware, we have had investigation into russian activity stemming from the 2016 election. will you ensure that the
committee is provided with all information pursuant to the ongoing russian investigation? lt. gen. nakasone: yes, mr. vice chairman. you.ank we have the heads of all of the intelligence community agencies. every one of them, including your predecessor, reconfirmed their support for the january 17 assessment that russia .nterfered in our last election do you agree with that jane march 20 17 assessment that russia interfered in our 2016 elections? and in light of their success in expectfforts, do you further interference in our elections in the elections of our allies? lt. gen. nakasone: i agree with the assessment. we should expect continued issues.
>> we look forward to working with you to ensure this committee will have a public hearing next week, and i'm very proud of members on both sides of the aisle. if confirmed, i would hope we would look forward to this issue security. one of the things that i have s i do not believe we have a cyber doctrine. i am concerned with adversaries that we do not have a clear cyber doctrine. who do you think the administration is in charge of
developing a cyber doctrine policy? senator,sone: ultimately i would anticipate strategies such as this would executive branch or national security council. i would anticipate all elements of government would contribute to the strategy. role, i wouldmy anticipate i would provide my insights to both the joint staff as the department of defense the strategy is developed. senator warner: with your strong intelligence background i can count on you to be part of that. that clearlyhad articulated doctrine. this is not a criticism of the current administration. this is a problem that has plagued us for more than a decade. to come back to is an example of how we deal
with the dramatic increase of devices that are connected to the internet, the so-called internet of things. we have roughly 10 billion devices now and that estimate -- that number is estimated to go to 25 billion in the next five or six years. the director of the dia, general ashley, emphasized our weakest technology components is an area of exploitation for potential adversaries. had you think we would go about securing devices connected to the internet, and you think there ought to be at least a basic policy put in place that would say the federal government 's purchasing power up to be used with some determination that we would only by devices that were, for example have rouble -- for example, patchable, so that we don't leave our government within
norma's vulnerabilities. gen. nakasone: it is important for all of us to understand opportunities and challenges your. i think there will likely be movement that will have to come from the private sector on this. in terms of policy decisions, i would differ that to the department of defense as they way into this. eigh in to way int this. theit is important to judge impact it has on our economy and national security. senator warner: i would hate to, five years from now, find out that we have millions of devices that have actually increased our vulnerability. senator blunt. senator blunt: let's just start where senator warner did. admiral rogers, we have a great
respect for, and got a lot of attention on the house side saying he had been given no new directions on how to deal with things like russian interference in the election. let's take that into directions. one is, do you need any new direction in your view, to deal with defending against those kinds of attacks? do you have all the defensive authorization you need? not whether you have all the equipment and staff that indy, but the you have all the authorization needed to defend our institutions against outside aggression? gen. nakasone: senator, certainly in terms of defending the department of defense networks, i think all the authorizations and policies and authorities are there that are necessary. senator burr: what if somebody is attacking the state department? certainly if:
confirmed as director of the national security agency security agency, the authorities for the national security system falls within the purview of the director of nsa, and i believe has the authorities with which you would be able to execute that defense. -- ou need more >> do you need more, more authority to work with state and local election officials? for the federal government and the military, your defensive role is clearly understood. certainly, on the nsa site national security systems it is understood, and on the cyber con side for defensive dod networks it is certainly understood. senatorieve this was warner buster gets question, worded a little differently. how do we develop a more well-understood response, and offensive guideline, if you would?
to be sureneed to do our adversaries know there is a price to be paid beyond just as trying to subvert their efforts to get into our networks? do we have a defensive strategy, and do we need one? bothnakasone: vice-chairman warner and yourself speak to this idea of a strategy. what is a strategy for the nation, in terms of cyberspace? i think that strategy being developed, in terms of how we defend ourselves, certainly is important, and it would lay out roles, responsibilities, elements of the major of our government. that is obviously one thing that would help internally, both for elements of our government, but also external issues, say, to provide a set of left and right boundaries perhaps, for our adversaries to understand.
>> i can't imagine a more important person to be insider agency, and the other area where think you may have to look for an even more expansive role is equipment,tion of signal and intelligence equipment by other agencies. i think you have a role to play there, and one of the many hats you will we're in the shop. you have concerned that other federal agencies may be buying equipment that could in the
future be troublesome for us? gen. nakasone: i certainly have concerns. i think recent statements by the department of homeland security and the directives, with regard to select antivirus companies throughout the world, and the ensuing national defense authorization act that prohibited the use of select antivirus products within our government is very, very important for the future. the think you bring information to the table on that, and my last question would be something we have talked about before, particularly at the cyber command level. what is the value of the reserve force for the national guard? aknow that missouri has really good cyberunit. i think cyberunit in the back to maybe the chairman's question about how we have the talent that we need, how do we bring part-time talent to use to our benefit, and if
that is a good idea in your opinion? gen. nakasone: i think it is a tremendous idea. in my current role as a matter of army cyber, our army is building 21 cyber protection teams, 10 in the u.s. army reserve and 11 in the national guard. what you indicate is critical for us as we look to increase the best and brightest of our nation being able to commit to the defense of our nation in cyberspace. afterard, the reserve mend his talent that we look to in the future to provide us with what we often term as strategic depth for our nation. so i'm very pleased to serve with does find americans and hopefully in the future, to continue to incorporate and promote their service for our nation. senator blunt: thank you, mr. chairman. senator burr: senator wyden. senator wyden: just a quick comment. to nomination of gina haspel head the cia comes in and especially momentous time.
and i havenrich asked to that certain aspects of her background be declassified so that the american people can mightat sort of person head the agency at a particularly important time. i will wrap up this point by saying i hope members will i,port senator heinrich and calling for declassification. it's a historic day because as i understand that you are the first nominee from the nsa to be considered at this committee. we welcome you, and let me begin with some questions. in 2001, then president bush directed the nsa to conduct an illegal, warrantless wiretapping program. neither the public know the full intelligence committee learned about this program until it was revealed in the press. i learnedersonally,
about it from the newspaper. so there is a lot riding on how address a similar situation. we have already noted the history of your being here. if there was a form of surveillance that currently requires approval by the fisa asked tod you were avoid the court based on some kind of secret legal analysis, what would you do? thankakasone: senator, you for the question. i would offer, with regards to the situation you i would obviously have a tremendous amount of legal advice that would be provided to if confirmed, by those in the
agency, by those in the department, by those obviously that are in the director of national intelligence, and at the end of the day i think one of the most important things is that we have the conversation between the national security agency in this oversight committee. wyden: let me just stop it right there, so i can learn something that did not take place before. you would, if asked, tell the entire committee that you had been asked to do this? i wouldasone: senator, say that it would consult with the committee. wyden: when you say consult, you would inform us that you had been asked to do this? gen. nakasone: again, senator, i would consult with the committee and have that discussion. one of the important things i have seen is the relationship between the national security
agency and this committee. my intent would be to continue that discussion, but at the end of the day there are two things i would do. and id follow the law, would ensure, if confirmed, that the agency follows the law. senator wyden: first of all, that's encouraging. is that was not the case back in 2001. the president said we are going to operate a program that clearly was illegal, illegal. you have told is now, you are not going to do anything illegal. that's a plus. and you've told us that you would consult with us if you with us if you were ever asked to do something like that. so i appreciate your answer. let me move next to encryption. the consensus from encryption efforts is that tech
companies can't modify their access to to protect american's private data without also helping sophisticated foreign government hackers getting in. you are as familiar with the capabilities of our adversaries as anybody. do you agree or disagree with those experts? gen. nakasone: senator, in terms byencryption, i would begin saying that for 65 years the nsa has been at the forefront of doing this, encrypting our national security system, our data, our networks. what has changed is the fact that the power of encryption, particularly in the private sector, has put law enforcement at times, even with a court order, at risk of being able to investigate or perhaps even prosecute a crime. futurever that for the -- i would offer that for the future.
if confirmed, this is one of those areas i have much to learn. senator wyden: my time is up, general. yes a yes or no question -- or no answer to the question, with regard to what experts are saying. experts are saying tech companies can't modify their encryption to permit law enforcement access to america's private communications without the bad guys getting in, too. do you disagree with the experts? that is just a yes or no. gen. nakasone: i would offer a conditional yes, that there are times. wyden: that is encouraging come as well. i look forward to working with you in the days ahead. >> general, thank you. thanks for your service in the past and i welcome you stepping into this role. nomination process is not a pleasant one. nobody wakes up and says, gosh i want to go through confirmation.
and i appreciate you going to the long, difficult process. help me understand the role between collaboration between private entities, critical infrastructure and their networks, in trying to be able to determine real threats that are there that we may face the mystically or internationally. in termssone: senator, for manyoration, nsa years has been at the forefront of understanding advances of our adversaries. that reporting, that communication with other elements of our government, whether it is the fbi or the department of homeland security, has been critical to inform other members of our critical infrastructure and key resources. an element that must continue into the future, and a sharing and integration that is important for the defense of our nation. senator: how do we get that faster?
what would it take to get faster collaboration? gen. nakasone: i think faster collaboration is driven by several things. signal, a demand signal that is coming from not only other elements of our government and the private sector. it is also part of the supply, growing a number of analysts and the ability to continue to report your he does or two of the key elements. let's talk about this nderful term, the dual dual working with -- the with the cyber command and the nsa. are there walls between those two entities or are they distinct roles? how do you see them as distinct entities? gen. nakasone: in terms of the arrangement, i'm not
predisposed as to whether that arrangement stays or ends. and congress have both spoken on it. the president, in august of 2017 and congress and the nda that listed six conditions that both the secretary and chairman must attest to the for the dual hat is terminated. what we should do at the end of the day is make the determination that is in the best interest of the nation, that is the key critical piece of it. if confirmed, my intent would be to spend the first 90 days looking at that, providing assessment to the secretary and chairman and moving forward from there. senator: would you allow us to be in that conversation as well, as far as your assessment? gen. nakasone: certainly come after talking with the secretary in german, yes, senator. senator: talk to me about the issue of cyber doctrine, something this committee has
talked about often. it has been a frustration. who is giving recommendations to the president, how we respond, the speed of our response, attribution of where it came from is difficult to do, as you know. but if we don't get a quick response and individuals aren't able to make decisions with accurate, timely information, it makes it much tougher. the question we always have is, who presents call, the set of ideas to the president to say, here are the options you have? gen. nakasone: if i might begin with the strategy or the doctor in peace and then wins regard to the options, address that as well. how thell strategy for nation is going to defend itself in cyberspace is very important. the department of justice and federal bureau investigation, the department of defense and the homeland security department, how to ensure there
is cross.com only roles -- cross talk, roles and responsibilities. that's an important piece. i would see it as my role as commander of u.s. cyber command to provide a series of options in u.s. cyberspace that the president and secretary of defense can consider. i would offer, however, that that may not be the only set of options necessary. the nation has tremendous strengths diplomatically, informational he economically, and those might also be options. senator: who is the clearinghouse to gather those in be the final presenter to the president? i think that: would be myself, to the secretary of defense and the president. senator: that's what it wanted to hear. thank you. following up on the question, i think this is an important area of policy or in moments ago we received information that the
u.s. government has imposed additional sanctions on russia and response to the activities in 2016. the question is, are sanctions enough? definition occur after the attack. the best attack is the one that doesn't occur. that gets to the question of deterrence. and i hope one of the tasks you will take on is just what you said, developing options available to us that we could talk about as deterrence. thoughts on the importance of having deterrent capability as well as, after-the-fact punishment. gen. nakasone: senator, i agree in terms of having a range of options. and i would certainly see, if confirmed, my role to provide a series of cyber options that might be used in a deterrent role. that it's important to state that it is not only cyber or
military options that may be the most effective. and in fact it may be less effective than other options that might be considered. i think that's an important piece as we consider the future. what are the range of options that might include the entire government as critical for us? agree, i'm not suggesting it should be cyber for cyber or military for military. but ever terry's -- but adversaries have to know they would pay a price for attacking us, whether it is cyber or kinetic. gen. nakasone: i agree, senator. senator king: the administration has warned the country about potential attacks on critical infrastructure, particularly electric -- particularly the electric grid. my concern is that the electric grid is not only vulnerable, but
from public reports that there are already efforts to plant malware in systems etc. is this something you are concerned about? the nakasone: certainly, entire defense of our electric system within our critical infrastructure is of great concern to me. i am aware of reporting regarding elements within our ics. that is something that should concern all of us. senator king: do you see part of your job is nsa is working with the private sector? it's not like there is an attack on an air base. there might be an attack on the financial system in the midwest, and it seems to me this is an area, it is sort of new territory if you will, whether has to be closer relationship between the private sector and government. gen. nakasone: senator, i certainly agree in terms of the new relationship.
90%e consider cyberspace, of our critical infrastructure is held within the private sector. the work the dhs does in terms of informing the private sector and the critical infrastructure is critical for us. future, if wee are understanding what is going on in the sector, a rich dialogue has to occur between the national security agency and those that have this technology. senator king: does that dialogue exist today? gen. nakasone: senator, i would have to defer on that, that is something given my card position in army cyber, i am not sure. ifator king: that i take it confirmed to this position, that dialogue is something you would seek to establish. gen. nakasone: senator, certainly in dialogue within industry but also a dialogue within our universities and
academia, our dialogue with the partners. those are all components you have to have if you are going to lead a place like the national security agency. king: changing the subject entirely, i just heard a stemorrage, that is stemmorrhage of people. how we ca -- how can we compete to obtain and attract stem talent, in competition with silicon valley in the private sector, and is this a priorities see as important? gen. nakasone: in terms of priorities come if confirmed i can't imagine a more important priorities and talent. again, i thinkm, the committee for their support of future pay increases for stem candidates within the national
security agency. the way i would assess that we have to look at it is, we have to begin with, what is the mission of the agency? because for many, many years the agency has been able to recruit the best ind retain our nation, based on the idea of being able to secure our nation and being able to defend it. i think that is still an advantage the agency has, i think that appeals to people, wherea is a place technological advances and innovation occur all the time. and i think that is of great interest to our young people. senator king: i hope and understand this will be a priority, because ultimately talent is the competitive advantage. and i commend you for your willingness to take on what is a very important challenge in our country. thank you, general. senator cotton. senator cotton: thank you, mr.
chairman. general, congratulations on your nomination. i would like to discuss the threat posed by chinese telecom unicom,s like china china telecom. i believe this threat is grave. i would introduce legislation that prohibits the u.s. government from using them. there's a good chance we will pass that into law this year. last month i asked all of the intelligence agency directors , admiralared before us rogers, director pompeo, if they unicom, chinaa telecom products. they all said they would not. would you use any products from those countries, general? gen. nakasone: i would not, senator. you are atton: special case. would you recommend to any of
your family or friends that are just normal, private citizens that they use products from those companies? gen. nakasone: i would not, senator. senator cotton: thank you, for that. president trump, two days ago, using the powers he has under stopped the attempted takeover of broad, by qualcomm. it is no secret that is done in part because qualcomm and wall in competition to establish worldwide protocols for the 5g network. it woulding like that be a sign that the dni would task it out to most likely the nsa to get advice. and thehink cfius president made the right decision to stop the tent to takeover of qualcomm, broadcom? gen. nakasone: i'm aware of the situation based on what i've read in public reports. i don't have any other background on this.
but what i would say is, our microelectronics industry is critical for us in the future. if you consider what 5g will bring to this nation, 100 times speeds of what we are experiencing today. not to imagine the importance of ensuring that we have confidence in our microelectronics industry for the future. senator cotton: thank you. i'm concerned some of our allies aboutshare our concerns china. can i ask you if confirmed, that you will consult with our and japan,outh korea to convey our government's concerns about these chinese companies? gen. nakasone: i certainly will, senator. senator cotton: i know you just committed 90 days, to look at the dual hat issue. maybe 90 days and we could talk about that.
a somewhat similar topic is the counterintelligence and security threats that could be posed by certain gps-reliant devices, fitbit, smartphones. there was a recent story in "the washington post" about soldiers using fit its -- using fitbit's around the world. review matus ordered a of procedures regarding these devices. senator blumenthal and i sent secretary mattis a letter asking devices,e other particularly google and android devices, as part of that review. it appears google and android information from their devices back home to the mothership. they track detailed user information and precise locations in order to push advertisements. if you drive past the same grocery store department store every day, pretty soon you are getting advertisements from those locations.
how would you view the privacy and counterintelligence threats posed by devices like these fitbit's and smartphones, that are tracking locations and revealing patterns of life, and sending them back to corporate headquarters? andacy for private citizens especially for counterintelligence personnel. gen. nakasone: you accurately describe the environment in which we live. this is the commander's business, regarding army operational national security. 20 years ago we were concerned about what we said on phones. today we are concerned about what our soldiers wear, where they are talking, where the are able to be monitored or this is indicative of how we have to is,oach the future, which we are technologically informed. we also have to be informed for operational security, as well. cotton: any thoughts on how we can balance legitimate uses of this technologies?
most soldiers live on a limited budget so it's valuable for them tohave advertisements pushed them, saying one a restaurant is offering a special on the way home, or when a grocery store has coupons, and things like that. but obviously these do pose security risks. any thoughts on how to balance those? gen. nakasone: you have to begin with understanding what the threats are out there, and understanding when it is appropriate that civilians that are working in a place like the national security agency or military members within their own nations have their loans, are wearing fit its. are there places where they shouldn't have those things on? i think that's the most important piece that we need to have, a realization and then, and understanding of those operational at security risks. senator burr: senator harris. harris: to follow-up on senator cotton's questions, we you commit to coming back to the
committee after doing an assessment of vulnerabilities created by these of the smart devices by our troops, and give us some suggestion about what might be a more appropriate policy? i would welcome the opportunity to continue the dialogue on that. senator harris: thank you. i'd like to talk about insider threats. director of the national intelligence, as of october 2015 4.3 million americans held at security clearances. some of the most damaging national security breaches in recent years, however, have not come from traditional spies, but insiders at our own agencies. several of these instances and three insa, particular received a lot of attention and did a lot of damage. have you studied what happened in those cases? date,akasone: senator, to in my current role i have not studied. i would offer that i think what you point out here is very important.
we considered most of our threats from external actors. we thought a foreign nation was our greatest threat. we have to reconsider that as we look at our networks, data, weapons systems. we have to have a whole spectrum of insider and certainly external threats as well. commit harris: when you to doing an assessment and reporting back on what additional steps might be taken to prevent that insider threat? gen. nakasone: senator, i do know the nsa has taken on a number of different issues and secured the network and secured the environment. certainlyed i will commit to digging deep into that, understanding what has been done, what has been successful, what needs to be funded for the future and continuing that dialogue with the committee. had nakasone: have you experience dealing with army cyber command? of. nakasone: in terms experience, i would say one of the things we have been very,
very vigilant about is just to ouranding the threats networks, our data and our weapons systems. i can't think of a specific example but it is something that we are trained on and think about very often. harris: there has been discussion with the already but i would like to get a little deeper into the issue of the talent drain and recruiting gen. nakasone. since 2016 the nsa has lost several hundred employees including data scientists. we know we are going to be outpaced by the private sector in terms of salary. people who come to us actually care about public service and working on behalf of our government. but have you given any thought to how we might engage the private-sector workforce, i'm thinking of folks in the silicon valley, and creative ways that might include, for example,
bringing people on who can't join the icy full-time -- can't join the ic full-time? the must be thought of there about how we can engage folks even if they don't come full-time. gen. nakasone: i have thought about that and i take example to what the nsa has done today, which is an initiative to be in silicon valley. and one of the early initiatives, even before duix. you look at bringing a larger population to our mission. one thing i most admire about the agency is that they are looking at a very broad range of capabilities, people that have even disabilities, that need to be able to work and have the infrastructure that will support the. -- support them. i think that's tremendously
important as we look at a broader talent base, that we need to prosecute our mission. senator harris: i appreciate that you mentioned the disabled community as part of what should be the focus on how we are thinking about the need to be ofe diverse in terms recruitment and retention policies. so thank you for that. then, election security. admiral rogers recently "what id, and i quote, see on the cyber command aside leads me to believe that if we dynamic air,the that this is going to continue, and 2016 won't the as -- won't be viewed as isolated." he added that we are taking steps but not doing enough on the issue of election security. do you agree with that statement gen. nakasone: senator, in my current role, i do not have the background of what admiral rogers is speaking to. it's not part of my current responsibilities. but certainly confirmed, one of the most important things i
would face come in terms of making that assessment. senator harris: i would ask that you make that a priority as soon as you are concerned, expecting that you will be, because obviously folks are starting to vote now and the 2018 election is upon us. so, thank you for that. senator burr: thank you, senator. general, we have exhausted the members that have questions or today. i have asked members to submit questions for the record by the end of business today, and i would once again sainted designees, please to meet that deadline. you, if you say to would respond to those questions for the record in as timely a manner as you can't. it would benefit us greatly to set the schedule for moving your ,omination out of the committee and falling within the timeframe we are working with, with the senate defense committee.
beenrikes me, you have nominated at a very pivotal time , where technology, as the vice chairman pointed out, is changing annually, the same way technology used to change literally decade by decade. and i think this is a tremendous opportunity, and it is a tremendous challenge. i think you are the right person and i think time, your ability to understand whether that technological change is an asset to you or aliability -- to you, or liability. and it sort of defense which window you are looking at in the same room. that tough to me to admit you are the right person at the right time because i never
thought it would say that a soldier that never rotated through a north carolina facility. gen. nakasone: sorry, mr. chairman. senator burr: but i do want to we are grateful for your service to the country. we look forward to your leadership at nsa. the relationship between this committee and that agency has never been better than it is right now, and i think that that's because it has been earned on both sides, the agency and the committee. andagency has provided us unprecedented access -- provided us an unprecedented access to its product as we have worked through the past 14 months through a difficult investigation, distinctly different from the traditional oversight role of the committee. and i would ask you, as long as the investigation continues,
that it is important on your rent that you distinguish the request for the investigative from the ongoing oversight and real-time oversight of the committee, because it will require us to see products that we wouldn't historically ask for and if we did, we would probably be refused. but it is essential for this committee to do a thorough and complete review of what has happened to our election system, what has happened from a shindpoint of phi operations. i'm not tellingg you anything are not aware of in your current role. our ability to understand that not only to enhance our
defensive capabilities, but to ofm a strategic outline options that we have, both defensive and offense of, is absolutely important. tremendous amount of emphasis on our ability to get this right, and in large mother measure- and in large that's because of the access the nsa has given us and under your leadership that will continue. general, we are proud of you but more importantly we are proud of daymen and women that every go to the national security agency, many of them without any public acknowledgment that they were there. it's not the prettiest campus, as you know. easiest place to get to, in northern virginia and southern maryland, but they go
there and they sacrifice salary for a commitment to the country. and they provide the foundation for the protection and security of the american people. we can't say enough times to them, thank you, for what you do. we are here as a tool for you for your successful leadership at the nsa, that we know will happen. and i hope you will call on us any time that role, as director of the national security agency. with that, this hearing is adjourned. [gavel sounds]
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