tv Sec. De Vos on Education Budget CSPAN March 20, 2018 9:00pm-11:09pm EDT
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request for the departments. that's followed by a look at congressional redistricting and how the process is being challenged in the courts. >> education secretary betsy devos was on capitol hill earlier today to outline the president 2019 budget request and other priorities for her department. she was also asked about gun violence prevention in schools, the regulation of student loan practices, and concerns over racial disparity in -- and the disciplining of students. the subcommittee hearing is just over two hours.
>> while most of the funding and policy for education lies appropriately with the state and local level, the impact of federal dollars and policies andies importance influence. it is our responsibility to ensure they are being targeted to a high degree of accountability. your request continues to prioritize resources to certain populations of children who need additional support. i appreciate continued investment into those programs, such as for children with special needs and disabilities. and to support english lawyer spread i am concerned about the administration continuing to request cuts that congress has rejected. one example i'm concerned about is the repeat proposal to decrease funding for impact
data. the last administration had a similar position. oft is an important source resources for school districts that are financially burdened by a large amount of federal fall break. i want to know what your plans are to better understand the effects of the presence in districts as you cite in the budget proposal. we also bear responsibility to ensure there are various affordable pathways to lucrative careers, whether that includes college, technical school, or other training. it proposes a number of actions in the realm of career and technical education. as well as supporting college educations for those from disadvantaged grounds. it also includes an expansion of eligibility to a short-term, high-quality program that provides certification or licensing. , ile i like this concept want to learn more about the cost and the complications
associated with it. i very much like the general idea. the budget proposes deep cuts and some financial assistance programs. i look forward to discussing those proposals today. action by congress just before the budget was released made some of the information out of date, even just as it was being presented to us. that responsibility lies with congress and not with you. week,on our action this we will have more information on congressional priorities in the fiscal year 2018. your budget continues to request no funding for student support and academic enrichment grants which supports school-based mental health services, bullying prevention, and development for personnel and crisis management. look forward to continuing a conversation on whether the administration prioritizes funding in a less constrained
environment than we have operated under. the committee and our witness will abide by the five-minute rule so everyone will have a chance to get their questions asked and answered. before we begin, i want to yield five minutes to our ranking member, the general lady from connecticut or the opening statement. >> thank you secretary devos for joining us today. public education is a great equalizer in our country. at the signing ceremony for the original elementary and secondary act, it was described as the only valid passport out of poverty. decades later, he is still right. the economic benefits are indisputable. in 1965past a lot because leaders on both sides understood the federal insured a's children quality education.
the department of education was established. tos primary function is " strengthen the federal commitment to assure access educational opportunities for every individual." it goes on to say the department is state and local school systems to improve the quality of education. you say theimony, department was charged with prohibiting federal control of education. no one is trying to impose a federal takeover of education. i have read the establishing law. i find your statements dubious. to characterize the aims of the department as "prohibiting control of federal education." it is misleading and cynical. do you support public education? the trump budget request seeks $4 billion in cuts to investment in public schools,
while proposing $1 billion in new funding for unauthorized programs, including to expand private school vouchers. congress rejected similar proposals made in 2008 and hopes continue to focus on bipartisan support on increasing investments in areas that strengthen public schools. for the last year, i have watched you advocate for the privatization of public education. shiftudget intends to public school funding and advance an agenda to transfer taxpayer dollars out of local community schools. in your testimony you say the u.s. spends more per pupil than nearly any other developed country. what you failed to point out is they have a school funding gap in this country, much more in high poverty areas. these are the areas the trump budget puts back. other countries blow us out of the water in terms of providing access to early childhood education. we have one of the lowest enrollment rates for early
childhood education. 90% of our kids are in public schools. we need more resources to help them succeed. they can't do more with less. you do less with less. we certainly shouldn't be siphoning off taxpayer dollars to pay for vouchers. i was disturbed by your appearance on 60 minutes, or you admitted you have not visited underperforming schools. you say ", maybe you should visit them, i am perplexed by then answer. it sounds to me like you are turning your back on the schools. when he to focus our policies on strengthening public schools, supporting teaching, boosting opportunity, increasing involvement, making high-quality preschool available to all. 29 authorized programs that this eliminates includes afterschool programs to keep kids safe, block can -- but grants, literacy programs. your testimony mentions support of students with disabilities.
why does the trump budget zero out special olympics? the on budget justin -- justification insists it sees performance measures. students with disabilities, are you aware what the budget does to medicaid? it cuts $1.4 trillion. to you know who medicaid serves? education, igher was dismayed the budget proposal did nothing to make college more affordable. eliminate $733 million in campus .id for low income students slashes federal work studies in half. the department is undoing protections or students and attack their dollars from fraudulent colleges. repealing the gainful employment rule with cost -- would cost taxpayers $1.3 billion and leave thousands of students at risk. the department has also undermined sexual assault, which i demand to -- i intend to ask you about later.
the administration has advocated for arming teachers. all credible research we have shows more guns lead to more accidents. since the tragedy at parkland, we have seen teachers mistakenly fire them in their classroom. the teacher in california who shot a gun in his classroom, resulting in bullet fragments in the neck of a student, was a reserved police officer. the task forcs announced is not a solutions. eit is just talk and acceptance of the status quo. i'm amazed the public -- it cuts by more than a third. the funding supports based evidence programs to ensure safe learning environments for our kids, including preventing violence in schools and running serious in response to incidents. instead of focusing on dangerous policies, they should be focused on supporting teachers and school counselors, where they need it most. we should have a counselor in every school in this country.
this proposal eliminates funding proposing classroom teachers and counselors. state grants and student support, and academic enrichment grants. we also face a debt crisis. 44 million individuals are $1.4 trillion in student loan debt. you often say you came to washington to return power to the state. yet you recently took steps to preempt state laws and regulations that protect these borrowers, including in connecticut, a leader in this area. they should step up because of predatory practices in the student loan industry, including ruining critic scores for disabled veterans seeking loan discharges under total and permanent disability. the national governors association, attorney general's who urge you to reject the "secure immunity for themselves from the state level oversight and enforcement."
this seems to me like you are standing up for debt collectors over injured military veterans. i hope you can reassure us this is not the case. i would like to make known my deep concern over the plan to dismantle the budget service office. a political article reported that you "want to break up and decentralized the education department's budget functions." it plays a leading role in providing resources. this congressional community relies on its professional expertise and nonpartisan technical assistance. that even thed white house office of management and budget rejects these actions. it was disturbing to read career officials have been prohibited withcommunicating officials without the approval of political appointees. it is a fringe and on the work of this committee. i hope it needs to stop.
failsudget justification to include details on these plans, which i am aware have been in the works for many months. i need to know who was consulted, why there was a deliberate choice to withhold this information for congress' consideration. if education is a passport out of poverty, then your plans for public education in our country puts students' future at risk i hope we can work together to ensure this is not the path we go down. i look forward to our discussion. thank you, mr. chairman. >> we have been joined by the chairman of the full committee. >> just a few comments. i want to thank chairman go for .is leadership often i say in my opening remarks, the power that resides
here, a lot of things have been rolled out in terms of public policy initiatives in the department of education. you have been on the job for a wild. i think sometimes people recognize the role of authorizing committees. sometimes they don't recognize responsibilities of the appropriations committee. i would welcome an opportunity in a visit to my office to discuss a path forward. i say this more to the secretary of staff then i do to the secretary. you are an honorable, successful person, but i think it is important for members who pay the bill to meet with the secretaries the four they come for the committee. -- before they come for the committee. left secretaryt wilbur ross and said the same to his staff. it is hard to believe people have been on the job for this long and don't have
understanding staff about the system. but manypect to you, of my colleagues would probably feel the same way. it is important to connect with the people who pay the bills. the bill payers, in many ways, determine the public policies that we lay out, and that you are seeking to improve public and higher education across the nation. thank you very much. >> madam secretary, thank you for being here. you are recognized for whatever opening statement you care to make. >> i appreciate it. members of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to specify on the president fiscal year 2019 budget request for the department of education. it sharpens and homes the focus of our mission, serving students
by meeting their needs. created,department was it was charged to prohibit federal control of education. i take that charge seriously. president trump is committed to reducing the federal footprint in education, that is reflected in this budget. the 2019 budget would reduce overall funding of department programs by $3.6 million, 5% from fiscal year 2017. this budget was initially prepared prior to the two-year cap fields. the administration submitted an addendum that allows valuable investments in students, including impact and basic support payments, school choice, federal work study, and health. it focuses on improving educational opportunities and outcomes for all students while returning power to the people closest to the students. first, it would provide significant new resources dedicated to helping achieve the
president's goal of giving every student the freedom to attend a school that best meets the unique needs. funding for this purpose through a new opportunity grants program that would expand the number of students who can attend a school at their choice. states could apply for funding to provide scholarships to students from low income families that could be used to transfer to a different school. local educational agencies participating in the department's student center funding pilot could request funds to build on the flexibility provided by establishing or expanding open enrollment systems. this way, funds follow children based on their needs, not buildings or systems. in addition, the budget expands support for charter schools by providing an increase of $160 million for a total of $500 million, and continues support for magnet schools. we are also proposing to expand
the use of direct student services to allow them to reserve to expand educational freedom. including letting students transfer to a school that better meets individual needs. administration's request maintains support for students with disabilities. it includes funding for the programs that support the media students. especially all programs authorized under individuals with disability act. our requested creates more pathways to prepare workers to fill existing and newly created jobs, as well as jobs of the future. expanding apprenticeship and reforming affective education in workforce development programs will help more americans obtain relevant skills and enter jobs.aying student should be able to pursue a variety of pathways to successful careers. to that end, grants should follow the student, not the other way around.
the budget expands the use of pell grant for high-quality, short-term, summer and certificate programs. it invests in carrier and technical education, and streamlines student loan repayment. these proposals also support congressional efforts to reauthorize the higher education act to address student debt and higher education cost while reducing the complexity of student financial aid. supports stem education to help better equip students with skills employers need. insistent with the presidential education,on stem our request includes $200 million in new funding to support stem education while continuing to fund almost $330 million in discretionary grants. to working with congress on promoting a safe and healthy culture in our schools. resourcesst have the they need to improve safety
infrastructure. hire more counselors, and host more programs and activities aimed at violence prevention. we owe the victims of school violence nothing less. anally, our request reflects number of reform proposals aimed at streamlining the department's internal organization and improving the departments services to state. ,ost secondary institutions districts, and the public. we recommend a number of consolidations, including proposals for the federal trio programs and the ata title iii and title v programs supporting minority serving institutions, making them formula grants so states may use the funds effectively. the budget eliminates, streamlined, or reduces funding for many discretionary programs that do not address national needs that duplicate other programs, are ineffective, or are more appropriately supported with state, local, or private funds. reducing taxpayer costs by six.
$.7 million the budget reflects our commitment to expand -- spend taxpayers money wisely. anddepartment does not cannot know the unique needs of each individual student in america. parents and teachers know their students best and how their needs should be addressed. with this budget, we can continue to return power to those who walk side-by-side with students everyday. that's who budgets are for not special interests,, not legislators, and not the system. students.t is about it is easy to get lost in the numbers and forget about the faces of students who we have pledged to serve. students like carol lina mar -- arollina martinez. her home was in total disrepair. she wasn't doing well in the school she was forced to attend based on her zip code.
the graduation rate didn't give her mother much hope for her future. with help from a local scholarship, she enrolled her in a different school that more deliberately met her needs. then things began to look up. and graduated, and became the first in her family to go to college and earn a degree in premed. be one of the first 200 students in michigan state university's new school of medicine in grand rapids. moved toated and arizona, where she practices as a surgeon. poverty,from complete her home being torn down because it was no longer livable, to a surgeon in one generation. education can change the trajectory of a child's life, they just need the chance to attend -- attain it. more students deserve that same chance. that is the focus of this administration and budget. thank you for this opportunity
to testify, i look forward to answering your questions. >> thank you very much. are joined by my favorite ranking member of the full committee. i want to give her a chance to get settled and whatever opening comments she may make. >> i will skip my opening statement and begin with questions. next up,ormally be then the ranking lady, then you. >> you are very generous.
>> in my opening statement, i mentioned i am afraid of the cuts and impact school districts with high numbers of federally connected children are large amounts of property not handling on these resources. districts in my home state, let me give you an example. the largest single payer site in oklahoma has 16,000 civilian workers and 8000 military personnel. their children attend the local public schools. i have 39 indian state -- indian in my state. in the those kids are public school system. we have other military installations. that is not unique.
that is better than 500. we probably have too many school districts. than 550.tter over 200 get impact aid because of the military presence or the very strong native american presence. the proposal mentions high-quality valuation of the effects of the federal presence on districts. good you give me more detail -- could you give me more detail on what you are likely to explore and what you are planning to take? and why do you propose to cut funding before such a study is complete? the last administration also had this idea. it didn't fare too well. there is some thought that the department that this is a good approach. it has been met with resistance. i want to give you an opportunity to explain further.
>> thank you for that question. we share your desire for ensuring the needs of these districts and communities are met. as you know better than many or most, we have had to work within the framework of the bottom line. the initial budget did propose more significant cuts to impact aid. the end and him allowed us to restore much of that funding. it is back to almost what the funding was for the last school year budget proposal. with respect to some of the details on your questions, i would refer to bill. part of fiscal discipline and to reduce funding . multiple administration proposed to reduce or eliminate federal property. i very much would like to carry out the valuationk that we are
not proposing -- now proposing. section 601 which allows us to reserve up to one half of 1% for every violation. we will like to talk to you about that. the issues we want to explore property that we are not making payments on or set aside decades ago. some of the property has since been developed. be moreto be able to discerning in our proposal by looking at the impact it has had. in some cases, the federal presence brings more revenue. the military base brings a lot of businesses. we would like to have the opportunity to have a more in-depth study of that. >> this is something i know a lot about. i would be happy to work with you on that.
the air force is 16,000 people that wouldn't be there. in a principal place where they work. there is no way businesses around them make up for that or come close. not an indian property, they are held in trust by the federal governing -- government. these funding streams are often critical in the places they are. the federal government is going to build capital intensive places. the same is true at the other end of my district. an active military base since 1865. those populations are not there, other than the fact that the federal government is providing employment or bringing in military personnel. these are not areas i would say can afford those kind of hits.
there's also the tax base. i can't hold anybody else to the clock if i don't hold myself. i will go to my friend and ranking member, general lady from connecticut. >> i might add in maryland st. the schools range from elementary school classrooms to university hall stated average americans can expect a school shooting nearly one-1.5 times per week. do you believe we have a crisis within violence in our country? yes or no question. >> i believe we have a crisis of violence in our country. >> we have a young man who murdered 17, injured 7 -- 15 of classmates.makes --
what is the best way to prevent another person of taking lives at the hands of a gun? >> there are a number of ways to address this. the president has been clear that -- there are ways to prevent young people from getting guns who should not be having guns who shouldn't not be having them. we have to ensure that individuals who should not be getting guns don't get them. in cases where they have them and demonstrated they are not competent to have them from a mental health perspective, there should be ways of taking them away. restating, -- a restraining,. prevent school shootings. if you know. certainly. the three days before the park when shooting, there was a budget release from your
department the proposed a zero out money for school counselors and school safety. your interview on school safety about teachers having guns in a classroom should be an opportunity to consider, despite you thinking you're on preschool teacher should not have been armed. you may be aware there is a gallup poll that says three of opposable staff caring guns, 50% say it would make schools less safe. end, the majority of education policy is a local matter. we know the federal budget is a very tight one. would you support a government wide prohibition of using federal funds to arm teachers firearms?them on >> that is an issue that needs to be discussed>> more broadly.
what i will say is this budget was submitted well in advance -- of -- you arety focused on safe. if we have -- 73% of teachers oppose school staff caring guns. 60% believe arming staff would make schools safe. your view, and would you reconsider and support a prohibition on the use of federal funds to arm and train teachers? if it is supported by a majority of parents and educators. sec. devos: there is an important discussion and consideration. >> you, don't have a view about that giving you want to give control to the state? it is an important matter for discussion in addition to many into aactors that play culture of violence that i think
we can all agree has taken root in our country. there are many issues to be addressed. the president has advanced a number of common sense steps. >> i talked about banning assault weapons, that is different. my point is given you believe in state control of the process, you want to decrease the federal this.t on the majority's count of teachers and parents that say no to arming teachers. you are the secretary of education, take their word and do something about it. what you are saying is what you are going to do is continue to study it. what research the you already have that you are looking at in terms of the areas you want down? sec. devos: in question of school personnel being armed is
a question for local communities and states to grapple with. many have already done so. texas has 170 districts that have determined that is the right answer for them. other states decided they don't want to proceed in that direction. >> if it is a majority of parents and teachers across the country that say no. will you reconsider? sec. devos: that is a matter for congress to decide, not the secretary of education. gentlelady ranking member of the full committee has a lot of committee member meetings to go. i want to move next to her. appreciate your warm welcome. i want to thank you secretary devos for coming before the subcommittee. we have multiple hearings this
morning. i apologize for missing most of your testimony and questions of my colleagues. i will get right to it. on november 16, and the gao put out a report saying many parents and children, using private school vouchers, are not aware of the full level of federal protection they surrendered when leaving public school. it also stated most private schools usually do not disclose the loss of special education protection. this can't be all that shocking, based on the evidence. multiple investigations, including the recent investigation into the indiana voucher program found special education students underperformed in voucher schools compared to public schools. to $1udget would spend up billion on private school all while not
providing a dime of extra funding for the ide a special education. idea has beenard, a priority of democrats and republicans as long as i have been in this congress. the report recommended requiring andes to notify parents guardians of potential changes to a student's special education rights when using a voucher to attend private school. educationpartment of taken steps to address the gao recommendation? department ise committed to following the statute, that idea statute, and making sure states are complying with the law. with regard to parents getting information in states, those are
state programs. while i fully agree that parents should be afforded the widest array of information possible, they need that when making decisions for their children. it is not a federal matter, not a department of education matter, we certainly will recommend and encourage states to ensure that parents have all of the information possible for making decisions on behalf of their students. it is a matter for states to grapple with. >> the department of education has not taken any steps to address the recommendation? sec. devos: we are committed to following all of the idea provisions. we are doing so. >> have you or your department encouraged the congressional leadership to work on this important issue? >> i think it is an important matter for congress to consider and encourage you to discuss it
further. >> how about your leadership? you are head of the department of education. if you think it is unimportant matter, have you contacted the republican leadership and urged them could do consider -- to consider? sec. devos: we are federal funds -- were federal funds and statutes are involved, the government is involved with that. >> i just think we have to be real with the american people and tell them that this administration, with your leadership, selling frankly a false bill of goods. it is an attempt to weaken public education in our country. this.t understand you are saying it's up to the states, you don't have any leadership roles when presenting the facts. i just want to make sure i understand what you are saying. sec. devos: let me go back to what you just said about not
supporting public education. that is in fact false. i absolutely support public publicon and encourage education in all traditional public schools and charter schools, which are also public schools to continue to do better for each of the students they serve. i am a strong supporter of public education and will continue to be. >> what about the idea program? and democrats have been fighting for this as long as i can remember. sec. devos: idea is a federal law. were federal funds are involved in states, if, they are the federal government has a role -- if they are, the federal government has a role. these are really matters of state. i agree with you that parents should have information and the fullest amount of information when making decisions for their child with a disability. it is a state matter in issue.
>> even though we are providing federal funding? sec. devos: we are not in those cases. >> to those institutions that are not providing the services? funding sec. devos: is a federal program -- sec. devos: idea funding is a federal program and federal matter. program,is a federal with federal funding, i don't understand how you don't have a role in providing information. sec. devos: the programs to which you are referring our state programs. they don't receive federal funding. >> idea doesn't get federal funding? maybe we are misunderstanding each other. i don't think so. i think you are referring to programs in states that provide parents with choices in private schools. those are not receiving federal funds through idea.
>> because they made a decision not to accept it. i will conclude if both democrats and republicans have been active for it as far back as i can remember, we are always pushing for more money for idea. that you have no obligation to share information on the values of idea programs with schools that are not federal funded? only 10% or less of federal funds to schools in this country. most is funded state and local. but you have no obligation to parents to let them know they can make a better choice? sec. devos: we absolutely have an obligation to follow the statutes of idea.
the department does that, the department is doing that. >> what does that mean? sec. devos: follow federal law as it relates to education of children with disabilities. >> parents don't have all of>> the information, have a child who needs help, doesn't provide the services. i think that is what you are saying. sec. devos: if it is a state program and it is a state run and funded program, it is a matter for the state to deal with. agree on the premise that parents should receive full information. you are trying to extend the role of idea into a place where idea does not touch. >> why don't we follow up at another time? i think i have taken too much time.
>> i agree with the general later. i would advise the rest of the committee, it is my great affection for the ranking negativ -- ranking member that the time is over. don't let anyone else do that. i want to send it to my general lady of alabama. i really appreciate the time that you spent with me last week in my office. my son was on spring break, we enjoyed an opportunity to visit with you in our budget hearing last year i asked for your view congress --e passed passed in congress and what it says about the federal and decisions affecting standards. this is great -- this is of great importance to teachers and districts across my state. i want to take the opportunity
to ask you as a matter of record to state the administration's position. do you acknowledge every student succeeds at expressly forbids the coercion of states to adopt certain standards of curriculum, including common core? sec. devos: yes. >> will the department of education continue to follow the spirit of the law? >> i appreciate your direct answer and support of state driven approach to education. i believe alabama and allstate should set high standards to students and help create better opportunities. i was pleased to see the administration's commitment to investing in career and technical education by proposing an increase of 2.1 point -- $2.2 million in the grant program. supporting career and technical education will continue to be a priority for me. i have long been a proponent of cte and workforce development
programs in our country. they help ensure that students are prepared for rewarding careers. they insure american workers have the necessary training for skilled trades that are foundational to our society. and they boost local economies by producing a quality workforce. analabama, we have incredible network of community colleges, industries, and facility partnerships that help life skill's training to pair students training for in demand jobs. they work together to ensure students are prepared with the right skills to be successful and have job options. could you expand upon the importance of career technical education to the department of education? how does the department plan to address any perceived weaknesses within career technical education? sec. devos: thank you for your
commitment to career technical education and the multitude of pathways that young people do have for a successful future. this administration, our president is committed to supporting and encouraging students to pursue all of these different opportunities. alabama has been exemplary in providing options and alternatives to young people at seeking a career beyond high school. and education beyond high school. we are helping to support those activities and efforts with the proposals for the short-term pell to have certification become a robust way for students to pursue good careers that don't require longer-term encounter in a higher education setting. we are committed to expanding
ear. and learn opportunity -- burn opportunities. i am serving on the task force for secretary acosta and secretary ross. apprenticeship on ramps and start facilitating industry recognized apprenticeships. that is a way for students to , ann a different pathway alternate to a four-year college or university. very much encouraged through the manipulation -- implementation of effa that schools get daul enrollment opportunities for high school students to get college credits while still in high school. theould advocate for making c programming through the perkins programte more flexible to reach down even into middle school to help students know and understand what pathways they
might have the on high school to consider. very much a commitment to ensuring students have these different opportunities and that we support them in as many ways as possible. >> thank you for your very thorough answer. i will yield back. >> that was to extra seconds. >i want to go next on my good friend from california, mislead -- mrs. lee. budgetlieve this decimates public education. let's talk about institutional racism and racist discrimination and what this budget says about students of color. slap in thes a face. you cut $1 million from the office of civil rights.
secondly, there are 29 programs, including 21st century community centers, afterschool programs for low income students, zeroing out american history's, civics history literacy programs. these are programs that are critical to students of color and low income communities. practices disproportionately impact black and latino students. the data released by the department of education's office of civil rights, i am wondering if this is what you want to cut the budget. over three times more likely brown and black students to be expelled than their white peers. recently, you said you weren't sure or didn't know whether or a role inlays school discipline. isn't it your job to be sure that schools are not executing
for the samehments behavior because they are black or brown? can you talk about your views on students of color? disparities, expulsions and suspensions. posed aos: you have number of different issues and questions. let me begin by thanking you for your concern more broadly around students of color. does not this budget only protect, but encourage students of color to pursue their education through level title i funding, through expanding opportunity grants for parents to be empowered to choose a different school if there's assigne -- if their assigned to school is not working for the child. >> i am talking about public education. i'm talking about limiting the office of civil rights, and is limiting the public sector.
sec. devos: i am talking about public education, expanding opportunities within -- for students within a community to attend a different school. to expand her to school options hbcus, loanegard to forgiveness in the wake of hurricane katrina. we have also continued our commitment to supporting hbcus by naming the board to be -- the finance board. i believe this administration has a strong record and this budget is oriented around ensuring the most vulnerable students are protected and encouraged to be a what to pursue education that is right for them. -- in are robbing many of many of these budget items. aboutill haven't talked the issue in public schools as
it relates to black and brown students and the high disparity rates as it relates to suspensions and expulsions. is race a factor? do you believe that or not? is there racial bias are not? sec. devos: there is no place for discrimination, there is no tolerance for discrimination. we will continue to uphold that. i am proud of the record of the office for civil rights in continuing to address issues that arise to that level. >> you are taking away $1 million from the office of civil rights. sec. devos: the team is doing an amazing job. they have continued to investigate and solve and resolve issues at a much more rapid rate than was previously done. theire decentralized decision-making around this and ability to see these cases through to resolution. ofill continue to defend all
the work they have done. >> you are cutting their budget. that is going to mean we will have less civil rights enforcement for students of color. what you are suggesting as it relates to the discipline guidelines in the obama administration that ensured students of color were not subject to harsher discipline practices. that.e talking about what does that mean for black and brown students? sec. devos: there is no place for discriminationsec. devos:. we are not tolerating discrimination. >> your policies and budget show differently. sec. devos: civil rights budget reduction is less than 1%. the office is being operated and functioning at a much more efficient level than it was previously. they are able to do more with less. >> that is not acceptable.
that is not acceptable when you look at the huge expulsion and suspension rates taking terms in terms -- taking place in terms of racial bias. you need to include the -- increase the budget and back off on how to rescind the policies that would decrease the school to prison pipeline. >> to answer, the general ladies time has expired. sec. devos: i think i have addressed that issue. move over for the next have questions. -- not to move over for the next set of questions. >> thank you, mr. chair. i appreciate you taking the time to come in and meet with us, -- madamretary are you secretary. . we have a combined enrollment program called running start in washington state.
it allows upperclassman to that communityes or technical colleges, as well as public universities. many families have benefited from this program, which provides the opportunity to graduate your son or daughter from high school with an associates degree. time toutilizing that get to birds with one stone. this saves families thousands of scholars and -- dollars and give students a good opportunity in the workforce. or a bachelors degree. you can get rid of general ed credits and not pay the steeper price for your school. what can your department to do to ensure students are made aware of these opportunities, and that it could be a good option for them? one of the things i found troubling is not all schools or districts make this available, or make students aware that they can get two birds with one
stone. thatdevos: thank you for question and your support to the commitment of this daul enrollment opportunity and option. we have been following through in theress'intent legislation to ensure a lot of the funding programs are made more flexible. there is a great opportunity for schools to seize this particular direction and build upon it. the statest is up to to ensure that they communicate these opportunities to students. i will continue to encourage that they do so. we have to make known to the students that they have a wide variety of pathways and the opportunity to start earning higher education credit while they are in high school. i would say beyond that, middle school students need to become aware of these opportunities to be able to anticipate and think about them in advance of
arriving when -- to the time they have to make the decision. i will switch over to an issue i have become aware of. the criticalnt has responsibility of ensuring schools provide safe and healthy learning environment for all students. reports demonstrated students with disabilities are subjected to restraint and seclusion that far exceed those of other students. all of those schools are required to report to the office of civil rights. it has come to my attention that multiple states have reported zero instances for an entire school year. that is not believable. this raises concerns on the issue that is being chronically underreported. i wanted to ask about your awareness of this issue, what we a need for is there clear definitions of seclusion and restraint? sec. devos: i will state our
support makingnd are that the idea statutes followed and provisions are adhered to by the states. i am aware of this issue. i will certainly look into ways we can continue to insist and ensure that states are appropriately addressing and reporting these situations and that community is well aware of solutions and resolutions to ensuring that those situations are reported fully. i actually just want someone on your staff to work with. i had a constituent come to me regarding a college he attended -- she attended. it was an online school and the last administration shut the
school down. she was eight weeks and graduation. she shut it down and it froze everything. it froze her credits, the money she paid. she attempted to go to a community college and pay cash. because it was federally connected, it put a hold on her ability to continue on with her education, even if she was paying cash. she wasn't able to pay loans, it impacted her ability to pay mortgage. the department was sitting on it. she couldn't move because the department was going to resolve this. i had a lit into this. i just want someone on your team to work through this because she is not the only affected constituent i have. did something wrong, i want to make sure she is not being held liable, especially when she did a good job. she had great grades and it was taken from her.
i would like to work with your team and make sure we get it addressed. with that, i thank the chairman. >> we next go to mr. ro khanna from wisconsin. you're coming before the committee got over 100 different questions that i am going to try and cover some of the topics. i was heartened to hear you said the budget is about students, not special interests but students. a lot of questions came in around gun violence. they are concerned about the hearts and minds and lives of students who go in the morning, able to go home alive at the end of the day. that hasn't been happening. iu in an interview once said would imagine there is probably a gun in the school to protect from potential grizzlies. is it still your opinion we need guns in schools to protect -- protect from grizzlies? >> thanks for that question and
if it -- if i had it to do over again, i probably would have used a different example. the point was that if there are going to be guns in schools, they need to be in the hands of right -- the right people and those who will protect students and ensure their safety. that is the point. >> i appreciate that, because there is not a grizzly bear problem in the country, there is a gun violence problem in the country. it seemed like the president was on board with some sensible alternatives, then he met with the nra. are you a member of the nra? >> i am not. >> i was wondering specifically, and you know how many school shootings and incidences involving guns have taken place since you were confirmed? >> too many. >> over 85. that number increased to two people injured in maryland. 17 lives recently -- recently in parkland. tryinge a comment about
to prevent young people from getting guns. does that mean you support banning the purchase of guns for people under 21? >> the president has indicated support for that. it is an important issue for this body to deal with. i would like to think that this body and congress could go ahead and get progress on things that are broadly supported and the president has encouraged that. >> and you say you support that. >> the president has said that should be part of the consideration. that is part of the study the school safety commission will be looking at and making a recommendation on. >> so you support that. >> the president has indicated -- >> i've got you. someday maybe we will find out where you want it. this friday, the parkland students are going to be up here. would you be willing to sit down -- i know you had a meeting with
the president, but didn't -- with the press, but haven't gotten a lot of time. we would be glad to facilitate a meeting? >> i look forward to meeting with parkland students. i have talked with a few of them about meeting them in parkland at the time that is workable for both of us. >> are you available to meet with them friday when they are in town? >> i don't know, i can't say what my schedule is. >> if we could follow up with that, we would appreciate it. sayingsident is maybe not to raise the age -- anyway, that's our right. we will find that out. i want to associate myself with the remarks about a ranking member of the committee on the report. i do think there are concerns there. another interview you made a comment recently that you haven't visited poor performing schools. i think that is another when you would like to reel back? as secretary, i have
made a point of visiting schools who are doing things creatively, innovatively, out-of-the-box thinking. i think it would be important to visit some poor performing schools. the question is, will they let me in? i amat is the exact place going but we are on the same wavelength. you are willing to meet with poor performing schools? sec. devos: absolutely. >> according to a recent washington journal article, there are a number of choice schools performing below the standards they are supposed to. i would love to meet you in wisconsin and one of them that ranks the lowest recently said we don't let people from the media in our building and they were the lowest of 120 schools in the milwaukee area. i would love to go to one of those with you because i have seen the problems in my state has one of the early adapters of the choice program, to see what that problem is. we are 140 private schools statewide that couldn't be rated
because they won't provide information. is that right that the state of wisconsin can't even get the information from schools that are ultimately getting some federal dollars because they are choice programs? sec. devos: congressman, wisconsin has legislated their program and their accountabilities -- >> but you think it is right? >> i think parents -- >> d think it is right? >> i think parents and taxpayers need to have more information, not less. the goal of this administration and this department is to ensure that all children have all equal opportunities -- >> i am taking it you think they should have to report, is that fair? sec. devos: i have been focused on ensuring that children and parents have opportunities to make the right education opportunities for them and i support those parents in wisconsin who have made choices for their children. i am not going to comment on the
wisconsin method of reporting and accountability -- >> you don't think those schools should have -- >> the time is expired. maybe next time around, i can get more. >> i would advise members of the would have au better chance at a second round if you stay within your time in the second round. >> let me facilitate a conversation between two old friends. the next person to be recognized for question is a very distinguished member. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you, secretary devos. to appreciate your focus on student achievement, trusting parents to make the right decisions for their children. as someone from michigan, i have seen the work you have done over the years that has benefited our students in michigan and you should be commended for that. of confusion over the issue of charter schools.
charter schools are public schools. i want to clarify something in michigan. in michigan,r -- serving over 100 45,000 students. half of those students are minority and low-income students and those are students whose parents have chosen those options for their children and have had the freedom to do that. again, i want to thank you for that. i want to go to a few issues. want to talk more about your opportunity scholarships and grants because when i think of the lyndon johnson quote -- and i had never heard that -- passport out of poverty, i think two things. one is education, the other is a job. the focus you have in the department right now on improving options for education opportunities, as well as this job preparedness, are hitting that mark. but before we get to that, i want to also just question you
want a few things that came up. one is when it comes to ranking lowest in some of these school districts. some charter school districts in our state are focused on adjudicated youth, at risk youth, so i don't think it -- apples and oranges, it seems. i wonder if you run across some of that. are looking atu best practices to see what can be regular -- replicated around the country. i think that is important. aren't givingyou your opinion on all the gun issues that are politicizing our country right now, what strikes me is you are the head of the commission on school safety and of the goal of that commission is to look at ways to keep students safe. stand if you had all your conclusions before you ahead of the commission, it wouldn't make much sense to have a commission.
thank you for your leadership on that. i.d.e.a.on the question that was raised. theress has passed a law, executive branch is in ministering that law, states have the ultimate responsibility to administer the law and communicate to individual parents and it is in their best interest if you are in a need immediate school district to communicate with parents and maybe leaving your district, here are the things you are losing. to be further follow-up legislation, would you be willing to work with the committee or myself to address that? know have thrown a lot at you, but i wanted to get some of those issues on the table because i think you have really responded well to a lot of different questions on all sorts of topics. i thought some of those needed to be clarified. you,devos: thank
congressman. thank you for your previous leadership as a charter school administrator who knows the value of having that kind of an option for students. let me start with your last question around i.d.e.a. if there are ways to clot -- clarify requirements of states, i would encourage congress to address that. to the opportunity grant proposal that is part of the budget, it is proposed to be a $1 billion fund that reference -- roughly half of which would be tied to the student waited funding pilot program that has been on the every student succeeds act and would encourage districts to direct their funding in student-weighted funding approach and allow students -- it would facilitate allowing students to choose from within public schools in a district.
that are communities hesitant to take that step today because of the cost involved with making a funding mechanisms which, it would help facilitate that and open a public school choice more broadly to students in that district. there are 50 opportunities and only a handful have indicated any desire to move that direction to date. would helpis incentivize and encourage some of them to do that further. the other half, roughly, would be to come alongside of states, private school choice programs that are ready in existence and enhance with a already have. voluntarily on the part of states, nothing mandated. that is the idea. the details surrounding that would need to be worked out with congress. >> if i could just make a statement and not a question. >> very quickly. >> i think you are on the right
track with technical and career education. the osceola and attendance is up 10%. aso districts that have short-term certificate that gets people into jobs where they can earn and work and learn and i appreciate your work on that. so thank you. we will go to my good friend from massachusetts, miss clark. representative clark: thank you, madam secretary for being here today. i want to talk about parkland. i know you went there to visit, weren't able to take many questions from students as some of them have submitted them to me today. as we hear news reports of another school shooting in yet today, your work on this commission -- i think you
described it in a recent interview as urgent. couldn't be more urgent as we send our kids to school and hope they will come home safely. in that line -- and this is in line with many of the questions from students. when is the first meeting of your commission? sec. devos: the first meeting is going to take place very soon. rep. clark: what does that mean? sec. devos: within the next few weeks. rep. clark: who is going to be on the commission? sec. devos: the commission will be comprised of four cabinet secretary's, myself, hhs, justice, and homeland security. rep. clark: is that it? just four cabinet secretary's, no experts, no democrats? the devos: that is composition of the commission itself. we will be inviting and having forums and meetings with a wide variety of experts not only here, but across the country. rep. clark: will you have any
students? apparently not as commissioned members, but -- >> as i said, this is an urgent matter and we want to ensure that we are able to move and operate as quickly as possible without getting bogged down in a lot of bureaucracy. rep. clark: you think the first meeting will happen by mid april? when do you plan to conclude this? rep. clark: the timeline is still being worked out, but rest assured, we have a very keen sense of urgency around the work of this commission and the necessity of -- >> horror -- how are you defining urgency? you must have some timeline in your head of this. rep. clark: i do -- sec. devos: i do, but we are working out the details with the administration. rep. clark: urgency, but you haven't begun. there will be five members of this, in total. sec. devos: four. rep. clark: just four, the four
includes you. ok. you said you are going to look at everything. one of the questions from my students follows back on barbara lee's question that she had for you. you recognize that there are disparate rates of discipline for black children in our schools? that it is 3.8 times? you have seen that data. how are you feeling about arming andds and teachers increased militarization of our schools potentially. how would that affect students of color? sec. devos: i am concerned about all students. students of color and all students, we want to ensure that students have the opportunity to learn in a safe environment. rep. clark: is not going to be a top agenda of your commission? sec. devos: that is going to be the focus of this commission. that is the charge of this commission, to look at ways to advance the safety and
well-being of all the physical environments that students attend. that parentssure don't have the situation that they did in parkland and today in maryland. --have a cultural violence culture of violence in this country that we have to help identify solutions for and root causes to and we need to come up with we were -- -- >>, we are moving past platitudes at this point, though. we have students lives on the line. have you rethought your elimination of the students that go to grants violence in our schools and help students deal with that? rep. clark: -- sec. devos: as you know, this budget was produced several months ago. rep. clark: is that a no? sec. devos: the budget was presented several months ago. our current scenario suggest we should revisit this again and i would welcome congresses doing in supporting this initiative
around ensuring schools have the resources they need to -- >> so you will take a leadership role in undoing the elimination of those critical mental health programs for students? sec. devos: i support congress's re-addressing this and looking at this budget item. rep. clark: what about afterschool programs? sec. devos: -- the flexibility that schools and districts have to focus resources where they believe it is most needed to ensure student safety. rep. clark: what about afterschool programs? the 21steliminated century community center. that is 80,000 kids in florida, alone. sec. devos: the budget has had -- have to make priorities around the -- >> have you rethought that in light of school violence? sec. devos: i encourage congress to look at areas they think need to be done differently based on where we are today, but the have beenl programs
identified as being very -- there is no data to show they are effective in what the goal -- the stated goal has been. in some communities -- >> what do you mean there is no data? there is study after study after study. >> [indiscernible] i appreciate that,lark: we will be glad to show you the efficacy of afterschool programs. thank you, mr. chairman. madam secretary, thanks for the flexibility in your visit time with me last week. you've got your work cut out for you. because the federal intrusion into federal -- into education hasn't worked. you know what the scores are. it is pathetic. i am tired of going at other countries and having them brag
about actually having better scores than the united states. you know the list. in math, we come under the slovak republic, lower than hungary, lithuania, latvia. educationtrusion into hasn't worked and it is time to drain the education swamp. that is the fact. i am not surprised you get questioned here today about doing more with less. i thought that is the way america worked. you got rewarded if you increased efficiency and with a $21 trillion deficit, we can do more with less. i am not shocked that is possible that we have an efficiency problem in the federal government and i applaud you that the ocr is doing a more efficient job and can do more civil rights enforcement with less money, great idea. bucking the education establishment is not easy. aboutow what it is because the education establishment is into basically warehousing our low-income students. that is it, it is warehousing.
if you resist that warehousing, you are called, sometimes i have been called a racist for resisting it. the fact of the matter is that the scholarship program we discussed in washington is a success. embarrassing fact, but in 2015 and 2016, the graduation rate from students receiving those scholarships was 98% in a city where the average graduation rate for the public schools is 69%. you and i know the graduation rate is inflated by cooking the books because that is what they do in maryland and i'm sure that is what they do in d.c.. i does theestion is, president's budget fully fund the scholarship program? sec. devos: yes. rep. harris: next thing, the racial disparity. from myomplaints constituents because of the fact of the matter is schools that
are -- because of the heavy hand of the federal government, it threatens to withhold funding. a study inuld do your district and by the magic of federal government mathematics find that you somehow disparately discipline so the average person in some of the school districts have stopped disciplining people. they don't do it because they don't want the federal government coming in and through showing an magic impact. i have people writing that their children are in fear in their schools because they just don't do a job disciplining anymore because they are afraid of it. .ook, racism is wrong discrimination is wrong. if you punish someone or determine the extent of the punishment solely based on their race, that is just plain wrong. to have some punishment and discipline in schools and it goes too far when the long hand
the federal government reaches into that level. have a few minutes remaining. i do want to talk about an issue that i think your department can help in. that is with the opioid crisis. because i think that this strikes all age levels, but a lot of these problems started at the school age level. we have an increasing number of students in high schools who have this problem. i have read about a school in indiana -- the hope academy, a charter school -- i know it is theg the "c" word and establishment doesn't like charter schools, but for some people this can save lives. if you can educate me about what these opportunities are to help who havee students this problem with addiction. they hand their families want to get through it and they look to the school system to give them a helping hand. sec. devos: thank you,
congressman. as you note, this is a really critical issue. obviously, there's a proposal in the budget to raise up and elevate to a national level programs that are working from a prevention perspective. i think that is where we really have to invest a lot of time and resources to prevent kids from ever getting addict did to and on these really corrosive drugs. the hope academy you refer to was a great visit to a charter school outside of indianapolis. it is a school that is focused solely on recovering addicts that want to continue their education simultaneously while in recovery. able toents are progress at their own speed through a mastery competency-based program, but have the support services to ensure they are staying on track to stay off the drugs and/or on theirepending
addictions. i met a family who had moved to indiana from georgia, specifically for the school. the young woman had been through three recovery programs in georgia. every time had gone back to the same school, the same friends, the same environment and that fallen back into addiction. she was there at the hope academy in indianapolis and was doing extremely well, had been clean for nearly nine or 10 months. this type of school and opportunity, there need to be more of and there need to be programs that students and victims can avail themselves of. i go back to the primacy of prevention being the focus. rep. harris: i yield back. >> thank you. >> i tried. >> nobody is trying that hard here today on both sides, to be fair. would like to, i
go to my friend from california. representative power -- representative howard: thank you, madam secretary. you emphasize the importance of letting states decide for themselves what programs worked best for them. the fact -- flexible block grant 4a is one of the few laws that allow districts to decide for themselves how to computer science, violence prevention and mental health. these are areas that you and the administration claim to fire ties, yet you are eliminating the flexible block rent program and the reasons given are that it is ineffective due to low allocation in school districts and duplicative with other federal programs. why are you eliminate in this program, which gives states the insteadity to support i
of providing it with the resources it needs to make the program successful? sec. devos: congresswoman, again, this budget was submitted several months ago. we had to make decisions within a bottom line and this particular program was thinly spread when it was in -- he had ad by congress, 1.6 billion dollar authorization but was never funded beyond $4 million. are at a different place and i would encourage congress to revisit this program. if you all believe it is a good program that provides the kind of flexibility to meet the needs of schools and districts with regard to school safety and particular. rep. roybal-allard: great, i look forward to hearing with you -- working with you on that. in communities across the country, urban, rural, native american -- there is a severe tea or shortage. -- teacher shortage.
it tells us that effective teachers have an outsized impact on student outcomes. provides thent resources states need to develop and train teachers. for example, in california, the state uses it to teach children with him -- disabilities. grant money is used to support leaders and provide opportunity for growth and development of aspiring young administrators. request proposes eliminating this grant program on the grounds that it is duplicity of -- duplicative. can you tell me what offers the same type of support and retention? sec. devos: thank you, congresswoman for your question there. we have, again, focused our budget request around areas that do provide the most flexibility and continue to want to support their roles ash
teachers, as well as their continued development. e so through the protection of funds. a, have also, through ef provided more flex ability in the classroom and moved away from high-stakes testing, all of which teachers have spoken out for and in favor of and are grateful for. we continue to want to support teachers in the role and know replace a good teacher and classroom. we need more of them. rep. roybal-allard: i just want to point out that title i is a critical program that is low-income help communities provide students with access to tutoring, educational technology, and other school activities that rich students are learning with. proposing schools use these funds for to -- teacher
developments instead of providing resources that enhance student learning, i think, is preposterous. again, i am hoping that we will be able to take another look at this and maybe reinstate this program, as well. is almost up, so i want to make one point, rather than ask a question. in your opening statement, used the example of the point is that she was able to do this because she got a vote. she would not have been able to go to the other school. there are limited amount of scholarships throughout this country. unless we invest in public education, there is going to be a lot of carolinas who are going to be left behind.
right now she is the exception, not the rule. sec. devos: she would have had access to something like that if michigan had continued to advance in offering more choices to parents. unfortunately, it has not. carol lina is an example of what we need to change. we need to offer more opportunities and options. michigan foremost among them. >> parents need resources to do that. many do not have that money. they are barely making ends meet. sec. devos: many states offer programs that afford parents --e carol lina's's room mom carol lina's mom -- >> talk to parents there. >> you been extraordinarily patient, so i recognize my good friend, the gentleman from
tennessee. >> it is a privilege and pleasure to have you before us today. i sincerely appreciate the visit we had last week in my office to discuss a lot of great topics. thank you for hearing me out. my commitment to computer science literacy, particularly in the underserved areas, rural, inner city there is such a great need. there is a great coalition, tremendous bipartisan support, with the chairman's help, we got language in this bill supporting computer science literature. i hope bipartisan commitment continues. i know you are aware america needs one million more stem professionals by 2022. to hold jobs ranging from computing to the national security and defense fields. additionally, it is indicated we are only graduating 10% of the
computer science professionals that our country needs to compete globally. unfilled, these jobs we are vulnerable to cyber attack and other threats to national security. i regularly meet with employers from my district. there are an increasing number of job openings with state-of-the-art technology. these require specialized technical training. employers arerom not enough in our workforce that have the skills necessary to be considered for these jobs. i was pleased in september when president trump signed a memo on creating pathways to jobs by increasing access to stem and computer science education. central to this was directing you to make stem and computer science one of your top priorities, including the goal of devoting at least $200 million per year of grant funding toward this effort.
madam secretary, can you update the committee on the progress of this goal and whether you believe this goal will be met fiscal year 18? >> thank you congressman for your commitment to s.t.e.m. and computer science education. this is not only an economic issue. it is also a matter for national security. i am pleased to say this budget has proposed a $200 million investment in s.t.e.m. related programs and subjects. use $180 million of that for competitive grants to support evidence-based innovations in k12 innovation -- education. i would argue the focus needs to be primarily or to a large ,xtent on computer science attracting kids from a young age to begin learning coding and taking of computer science at a very young age.
there is a strong commitment on the part of this administration to not only recognizing the need, but also filling and responding to that need. rep. fleischmann: thank you for that response. the president's memorandum called on you to explore administrative actions to increase the focus on computer science and -- in existing k-12 and postsecondary programs, such as through guidance documents and other technical assistance that could support high-quality computer science education. can you update the committee on what you have done carrying out these actions, and what you have planned? sec. devos: commensurate with the budget proposal, we are putting together a proposal to actually address this through faqspriate guidance and and other information to support state and local initiatives in this area.
rep. fleischmann: i have one last question. how do you believe congress could help increase stem and especially computer science education? sec. devos: continuing to talk about the need and the opportunities. it is clear there are tens of thousands of opportunities for students in high-paying jobs in computer science. maybe members of congress need indemonstrate their interest -- and commitment to this in unique ways to draw attention. i'm just thinking a coding class for members of congress that are interested might be an interesting way to help draw attention to it. just off the top of my head. rep. fleischmann: thank you, madam secretary. i had second graders in chattanooga last year teach me
how to code. it was tremendous. thank you mr. chairman, i yield. >> if you are going to drag the secretary into coding, i have a problem. [laughter] sec. devos: only those are interested. >> i'm interested, not capable. i'm going to reduce our time to four minutes. if not, i will go to three. i want to recognize my good friend, the ranking member. >> thank you, mr. chairman. madam secretary, you said he believed counselors were an important part of our school strategy in terms of our children and violence. yet you have a budget that proposes zeroing out money for school counselors. the president has said he was for increasing the age, now he
is against. you can talk out of both sides of your mouth. i would like to introduce this into the record. if you're going to talk about a gunsre of violence, i hope on the street are an interest. rush for the full family, except for the youngster at the other end of that assault weapon. my colleague ms. clark will talk about the studies on the afterschool program in their success. it is a successful program. let me talk about student loan servicing preemption. my state of connecticut has led the country to ensure we were the first state in the nation -- we required that soup -- student loan servicers are licensed and follow consumer protection. you want to drain the swamp? --colleague from maryland,
state led investigations have resulted in hundreds of millions of settlements on behalf of student despite your statements all morning about supporting states rights, what your office has done, you issued a declaration to preempt state regulation on companies that collect student loans. you have the nga, bipartisan statement saying no to what you want to do. bipartisan list of attorneys general, montana, texas, kansas, indiana, say no to state preemption because they are watching what's happening in their states. why aren't you listening to what they want to do? do you believe the states have the right to guarantee consumer protections for their citizens? sec. devos: congresswoman we have -- rep. delauro: do you believe states have the right to guarantee consumer protections? sec. devos: federal student
loans as a federal program that has federal oversight. that is our argument. rep. delauro: you are preempting states rights here. sec. devos: what we are doing is ensuring that students continue to be protected through the federal program that congress created, and we are continuing to ensure that students -- rep. delauro: why does no one who -- no one believe what you're doing? governors who are in charge of their states, they are saying no because they are tracking down these folks and this industry, which is hurting the borrowers. who made that decision? did you make this decision to preempt states rights? did you make it? sec. devos: i have supported -- rep. delauro: who made the decision? what was the process? sec. devos: federal student aid is a federal program with federal oversight. rep. delauro: you have issues.
you have issued a declaration to preempt state regulations on companies that collect student loans. this is your department. did you do it? sec. devos: do not layer another layer of bureaucracy -- >> who was a part of that decision? borrowers? sec. devos: we have decided to exert? we? who doo: who is you believe this service? the borrowers or the servicers? sec. devos: we are supporting students and are committed to protecting students through the oversight that is -- rep. delauro: madam secretary, people can be people who have a stake in this interest have said no, don't do it. byy are not going to live what i believe you have said is,
you made the decision as the secretary. i yield. >> thank you very much. the roleng supported of programs meant to support first-generation college students. i believe far too many students are unprepared for a college course work, relationships with faculty, simply at an thedvantage navigating environment, because they are the first person in their family who had the opportunity. it is important to see that these students succeed. every student who completes college grows the future workforce. i support the deer up program for this reason. i would like to commend the department for taking a step to withase -- commensurate the f i-17, once the budget deal was reached, making the funding
available, i commend you for that. if we have similar success in budget, youfy 18 would strongly consider doing it again. template you in a difficult spot by not getting our work done. --ould request that we have the request that we have cuts all funding for gear up. i understand you have budget constraints. i am also particularly interested in understanding the proposal to cut parts of the trio program and redesign the rest of the program, moving from a composition -- competition to a state formula grant. we support easing the burden, but i have concerns. can you tell me why the department thinks is the best course of action? can you ensure the same level of accountability? how would this new grant format work?
thanks congressman for that question. trio is a program that has broad support. we support the notion that first-generation college students should be supported in a multitude of ways. the proposal in this budget is to combine a number of smaller grant programs with the trio program, and with that sum of money, block grant it back to the states based on the fact that 90% of the trio grant in past years have continued to go to the same institutions. we believe that the states are closer to the students than the institutions that are served, and would be best suited for being able to make the decisions or where these trio funds are going to make the most difference for students. the efficiencies created in that will ultimately help more of those funds get
directly to the students involved. the essence of the proposal, the details of course around boundaries or guidelines with that have to be worked out with congress. rep. cole: i would love to discuss it with you. i want to be very careful. has is a program that produced over 5 million college graduates for the united states from people that, absent these programs, may not have had the opportunity to go. i commend you for thinking about how to use those dollars more effectively, and we will keep working to find out the investments are there. i'm going to yield back some of my time in the interest of my friend at the end so we actually get to her. let me go next to my friend from california, ms. lee. respond to dr. harris and clarify one thing on school discipline. the issue is the differing of punishment for race for the same type of infraction. the disparity as it relates to
suspensions and expulsions, for the same infraction, black and brown students are disciplined and expelled at a much higher rate. that is what you call racial bias. madam secretary, let me ask you, because i am not sure you are clear about racial bias and what this means. you are officially seeking to delay by two years an obama rule aimed at this -- disproportionately affecting minority students in special ed classes, according to the notice published on tuesday. students of wanted color to learn in safe environments. yet students of color are subjected to harsher punishments and discipline. in presidents view prevailed arming teachers, do you see wife's -- why black and brown students are worried about this? it is clear to me.
as it relates to your comments as it relates to considering the elimination of the discipline guidance, this is a report in the wake of the shootings in florida. the white house released this report, school safety proposals, which imply black and brown students are responsible for shootings, which is not the case. this directive was to ensure students of color are not subject to the harsher disciplines. and practices. now you are talking about possibly eliminating this based on the tragedy of gun violence in florida. can you comment on that and if that is really what you're thinking about? sec. devos: thank you congresswoman. that particular piece of guidance has been under review per the executive order to review all regulation within the department. this is a matter we take very seriously. clearly the goal is the stated
goal of the guidance, is one that we all embrace to ensure that no child is discriminated against. we are committed to reviewing and considering this guidance and taking appropriate steps if any are war and did. i have -- warranted . i have nothing further to say. rep. lee: let's go to the delay a the regulation requiring strategy to combat disproportionate numbers of minority students in special ed classes. why the delay? sec. devos: the delay is to ensure we have a regulation that does meet the needs of students that are disabled in anyway. rep. lee: by two years? sec. devos: where committed to upholding the provisions of ida. i want to be clear we are
addressing this issue appropriately. there have been varying opinions and very different approaches to this within the community that are most concerned about this. we want to ensure we end up with a regulation that does address these issues appropriately. rep. lee: another example of the fact that i think more and more every day your head is in the sand about racial bias. 2017,e you a letter, june concerned about school segregation and what this means in terms of addressing the adverse effects of segregation's minority students, to ensure every student has an opportunity for an equal of -- education. i would like for you to respond to that. sec. devos: i'm sorry if we have not read -- yet responded. we are waiting to have senate confirmed nominees become part of the department.
i would urge that this body encourage your fellow members of congress -- rep. lee: madam secretary, you just don't care much about civil rights. this is horrible. rep. cole: the gentlelady's time has expired. harris. wife scholarships to support students of color in the district of columbia. i think called racist, i guess that is the favorite thing to do anyone you disagree with. i have a letter from someone in my district to says, look, this letter has led to decreased discipline and they see it. teachers are afraid discipline does the federal government will do their analysis and threatened to withdraw federal funds. is a fineetary, there line you have got to balance your. i think this letter went
overboard. i don't want to hear that in my schools -- you know what the problem is. it gets to the outcome, not because. -- the cause. the causes of bad behavior and disciplinary behavior are connected to socioeconomic problems. the fact of the matter is the great society destroy the nuclear family. the destruction of the nuclear family, you have an and result that is not good forces i.t.. -- for society. , justg at an outcome looking at an outcome is not going to solve this problem. it's going to make the problem worse. people get resentful when they try to solve a problem and are accused of racism. ,ust to clear the record up because i was in the military and i know what an assault rifle
an m4 is not what we are talking about banning. assault rifles we are talking about banning are not machine guns. they are not. the ar-15 is not a machine gun. a machine gun is a fully automatic weapon. we have to ask whether the creation of gun free zones has in fact been an invitation to violence in country areas. the fact that the debate still occurs whether a police officer in a school should carry a firearm amazes me. that we still have that discussion given the amount of potential violence in our public schools. that discussion still exists. applaud youary, i for saying this is up to the states. even more than states, local jurisdiction. i have 12 counties in my state. if one says, we have three high schools in or county, at each
one we had a veteran or retired police officer who is fully trained with a firearm, why shouldn't they have the ability to have that person have a firearm to protect the students just like they protected people when they were in the military or they were in law enforcement? that's just common sense. i hope the long arm of the federal government doesn't reach into schools and say, no, you cannot arm people in schools. i hope you go the opposite way and encourage districts who want to protect their students by abolishing the idea that a gun free zone is absolutely safe. i hope we are disabused of that idea given the tragedies that have occurred. whether it is baltimore city, which has one of the highest gun control -- the greatest gun androl laws in the country, yet is not a gun free zone, clearly, with over 300 murders a
year, or whether it is a school which plowed -- proudly displays a sign that says gun free zone, which we know does not mean guns are not going to be there. this a local make decision and encourage the proper local decision. what works in one jurisdiction does not work in another. i yield my time. rep. cole: we have a hard stop so i am going to cut it to three. i want to give the gentlelady, the raking member, a chance to make a final comment. all, no one called anyone a racist. people are addressing racial bias. people who don't want to address racial bias as a policy matter claim they are called a racist. i am reading a text from the president, who said he was not moving forward, he did not have the courage to move forward, i know you said that was a policy
the president wanted, what did he mean by preventing young people from getting guns, if indeed he chickened out after he met with the nra in his own limits,e said 18-21 age states are making these decisions, things are moving rapidly, but not much more political support. what if you mean, how to keep guns out of young people's hands? he clearly chickened out. sec. devos: we were talking about ensuring that students in schools don't have guns. let's go back to the purpose of the work of this commission. it is 2 -- rep. pocan: i have three minutes so we are going to keep to my subject areas. you don't have a specific answer? sec. devos: i think it is an important discussion for this chamber to have. rep. pocan: no answer. some people have asked why don't
we train teachers to teach but have money to teach them to be sharpshooters? how do you respond to that? sec. devos: i don't think it's -- rep. pocan: you don't have response again? sec. devos: that's not the consideration. we want to ensure teachers have the opportunity to develop and we have continued to support them through this budget in ways i have already -- rep. pocan: i'm trying not to be rude but i'm trying to keep the amount of time we have. you talked about poor performing schools. don't you think any school that would not let the secretary of education in should not get a single penny of money if they -- if federal money is involved? would you agree with me on that? sec. devos: i hope the schools would be hot -- hospitable enough to open their doors. think they you should get public dollars if they don't let you in? sec. devos: i'm not going to say
that. rep. pocan: final one. year, lgbt writes, you answered saying states should be flexible. i don't think being flexible on whether someone has rights or not matters. it should be, you have rights and that's it. period. this year your department said it would not take action on any complaints filed by transgender students who are banned from the restrooms that match their gender identities. how does the department intend byit -- act upon claims transgender students in the sixth and seventh court circuits? sec. devos: we have continued to protect the right of students as defined under title ix and have continued to do so and to consider all of those matters brought to the office for civil rights. we will continue to do so until the supreme court were congress clarifies the law with regard to
transgender access to bathrooms, athletics, locker rooms and , that is not an area where law has been clarified. this department is not going to make law. we are going to continue to enforce laws we are given. rep. pocan: thank you. rep. cole: the gentlelady from massachusetts. >> thank you mr. chairman. i want to go back to the billion dollar voucher program that you have proposed. i cannot find a single state that protects lgbt students within the states after antidiscrimination laws. state dollars flow to private schools, they are allowed to discriminate. i could not find any case where that did not happen. as you were looking at federal dollars under your program, going to private schools, will you put in protections of
nondiscrimination for all students, whether on sexual orientation, race, religion, or gender? before,os: as i said where federal dollars flow, federal law must be adhered to. this department has continued to adhere to that and will continue to in the future. rep. clark: to be clear, under your voucher program, no dollars will go to private schools, federal dollars, that do not appear to nondiscrimination policy? is that correct? sec. devos: let me first clarify, the $1 billion request is not a voucher program. public,program to allow traditional public schools, to move to student weighted funding formulas so that students can make choices within a district of other traditional public schools for a portion of it. the other portion is to come
alongside states that have private school programs and enhance -- rep. clark: let me make this as simple as possible. where federal dollars are going to private schools, will you guarantee as secretary of education that that money is included with nondiscrimination policies for those private schools? sec. devos: as i said, federal dollars -- >> a yes or no? what is your interpretation of federal law? sec. devos: i think i have made this clear. rep. clark: say yes or no. sec. devos: federal dollars going anywhere for education, federal laws are adhered to. rep. clark: so you would not send federal dollars to a private school that did not adhere to the full panoply of civil rights laws? sec. devos: federal law must be -- rep. clark: is that a yes or no? sec. devos: federal law must be
followed when federal money is involved. rep. clark: is there some problem? yes or no? sec. devos: i think i have been clear. rep. clark: then say yes or no. sec. devos: yes. [laughter] rep. clark: thank you. it took a year. rep. cole: that's it. i want to recognize the gentlelady, my ranking member for a brief closing statement. i want to thank you for indulging us, we did have a hard stop so we will keep our remarks brief. >> as i said at the outset, lyndon johnson said the only valid passport out of poverty is education. he is right. the trump budget includes cuts to investments in public schools and a billion dollars in new funding to create an authorized opportunity grant that would expand private school vouchers and public school choice.
the programs a limited after school. data says they succeed. community schools. copperheads of literacy development grants. supporting effective education developments. supporting effective state grants. copperheads of literacy development grants. innovative approaches to literacy. my colleague from maryland who is no longer here, and we have the lowest enrollment rate on early childhood education of any country in the world. my colleague talks about international education. when we do not provide either educational opportunities for the services that go along with them, we don't compete in an international world. the others are doing all of these services. let me point out that it sounds like madame secretary, you have made the time to meet with every subcommittee member on the other and i will aisle
exclude the committee chairman because of his statement. no one on the democratic side of the aisle had the opportunity for a question and answer with you. yet you are not sure you have the time to meet with the parkland kids on friday. maybe you will have a meeting with the commission in a few weeks. maybe not. madam secretary, i think we understand where your priorities are. they are not with the young people of this country. thank you very much mr. chairman. rep. cole: madam secretary, thank you very much for sharing your testimony with us. i appreciate your poison your professionalism. your candor and your openness are appreciated very very much. i want to thank you for sending us a thoughtful budget. we won't agree on every part, but i will be candid, i think this is a better budget because you have had more time.
we have complicated your work and i want to recognize that. because congress did not get its work on time, you had to operate under different figures along the way. we want to continue our dialogue so that if we had a different arrangement, as i'm certain we will, we have an opportunity to work together and direct those dollars are they need to go, where we think working together will make a difference. again, many many thanks for coming here, and thanks for your years of uncompensated service in because of educational reform , working for children rich and poor alike to have opportunities and choices available to them. thank you for taking on a really tough job and a really polarized contentious period of our political history. you do the president and the country great credit. with that, we are adjourned.
last month's school shooting in parkland florida. we will have live coverage saturday starting at noon eastern on c-span. these c-span bus is traveling across the country on our 50 .apitals to her -- tour we recently stopped in oklahoma city asking people what the most important issue in their state. >> probably education funding. we have a lot of challenges we face. we are losing teachers to other professions. we are losing them to other states. in be state capitol we have been deliberating over this for two years. i am making the transition from senate to city manager's office right now. we have got to have a world-class education system. we can't do that without world-class teachers. we can't have world-class teachers without competitive
pay. >> the issue most important to me is -- i represent seven counties. i think it's the second biggest -- in oklahoma. districtclude that my [inaudible] i come from a family of farmers and ranchers. it's those kinds of issues i keep an eye on in my district. >> one of the most important issues is the access to high-speed internet for all of our citizens. in rural areas and all parts of urban areas as well. >> the most important issue is making sure we have a funded government that works and that
is being responsible to not only take care of our citizens, but make sure future generations have education, transportation, and quality health care. c-span.r: on here's a look at our live coverage for wednesday. the house is back at 10 a.m. eastern for general speeches, with legislative business at 11:00. on the agenda is a right to try bill that would allow patients to use drugs that have not been fully cleared by the fda. on c-span, prime minister's questions at the british house of commons is live at 8:00 a.m. eastern, followed by the foreign relation committee and the role of congressional oversight. the senate concerns to work on a bill aimed at combating online sex trafficking. on c-span3, the senate intelligence committee takes a
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