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the rest of the debate at 9:20 eastern, right here on c-span. >> next on c-span, talkshow host dave rubin sits down with neck gillespie during -- nick gillespie during a recent meeting of libertarian students in washington dc. this is just over half an hour. >> ladies and gentlemen, welcome to libertycon. we havethe 11th time organized but he used to be called the international students for liberty conference. mouthfuly, a bit of a and that is one of the reasons why we have changed it. the other one is you. you come from all walks of life, all ages, but what unites us tonight are the ideas of liberty.
they could so much for being part of it. thank you so much to the students who volunteered to defend students of liberty in this country and around the world every day. thank you to the sponsors. i would like to thank the universities francisco market in guatemala, it is a magical place id you should check it out would also like to thank bit coin.com and dozens of other sponsors who made this possible. i appreciate you all being here and i would like to post a quick question -- i would like to pose a quick question. we, whentive are hundreds of universities,
supposed bastions of learning, become places where dissenting thought is unwelcome? how effective are we when universities become places where one's feelings displace rational thought? how effective are we when universities become places where other opinions are shunned, not only by the left but by other ideologies? if you look at the liberty movement, it seems to be clear. the answer is, the left has gone insane. these snowflakes are complaining, their knees are weak and they cannot handle the truth. hand, we areher white, righteous, and sane. the others are malicious, childish and even evil. but that is a terrible, convenient explanation. i see a lot of blame thing passed around.
headlinesk at the they say, has the left gone insane, a nation of snowflakes, the left is anti-intellectual. maybe some of these headlines kernel of truth to them, but they ignore something fundamental. right now, i don't think we are using free speech wisely. you three reasons why we are not using free speech wisely. first, we don't use free speech wisely because we would rather offend people we dislike rather than engage in conversation. too many people right now mistake free speech for offensive speech yet, admittedly it has become harder to voice your reasonable thoughts about capitalism, socialism, immigration and even religion worried it's true. you take your points to the extreme and try to poke fun at the other side, instead of
seeking understanding we ridicule and behave offensively. if you make offensive speech the main focus of free speech, you are doing it wrong. i believe this comes from a place of weakness. the self-described old right and new left on campus like to be victims. they shut people up, behave like jack acids because they have been harmed by some outside force beyond their control. the right feel like they have been harmed by the left, cultural marxism, globalism, political correctness. on the other hand, we have the by the right,med neoliberalism, censorship and hopelessness, institutional oppression and capitalism. everyone sees themselves as this snowflake
being thrown around in the harsh winds of oppression, censorship and hopelessness. everyone likes to be a victim. we in this room are different. we have centuries of experiences of fighting big government, most of the time in the minority. to lift the individual herself and her family and sometimes our nation out of poverty. it comes from a place of trust, not one of hate. the second reason. we don't use free speech wisely because we would rather feel self-righteous and try to make a change. admittedly, a feeling of collective moral superiority is thece warm blanket during cold night of authoritarian uprising. however, groupthink is utterly appealing and we have to understand that. these things are based on our minds, which have been based for tribalnnia of living in
societies. now we have to convince hundreds of thousands of people why free speech and free markets will help millions of individuals. we have to resist this. students for liberty and the movement cannot be insular and be just another echo chamber. last week at cpac we saw what and a coat chamber looks like. some alleged conservatives focusing on economic freedom and favoring protectionism, liberty is different, ladies and gentlemen. we understand that our symbol, the torch, needs to be carried. we can't hover over the fire and protected because nobody would be able to see it. nobody will see how free markets and our ideas can lead to human lurching. on the contrary, we need to carry the torch, get out there
despite the totalitarian headwinds disseminating from the left and the right. we owe it to the idealists and the thinkers to go out there and change minds. if we can only change minds we listen to other folks and don't put them down. now on campuses and in society, there is so much hate out there. our ideas are not based on hate, they are based on trusting the individual and that free individuals can find solutions to complex social problems. we are different and our communications skills should also be different. this is what i was telling her students. yes, we have the right ideas. we can show how free markets help human beings, and billions of them. we have the right ideas but we have to be the better people too . the third and the last reason we
don't use free speech wisely. because we blame the outside world instead of using ourselves. books thathand out other people should read and learn from and benefit from, but how many of us have read a lot of thinkers from the other side? how many of us have read makes chugh? how many of us understand why protectionism is still so popular? we need to know that because just this week, president trump advocated for trade wars and wants to give special treatment to big business, big steel businesses. yes, boo that. [boeing] protectionism has been -- protectionism has been bankrupt
for centuries, however these ideas are still popular. [applause] let me make my point more clearly. the worst thing that can happen to a group cause is not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. however, you can only defend yourself and your ideas effectively if you know where your opponent is coming from, and what kind of intellectual ammunition they are using. we need to be better in understanding the ideas and the thinkers we are up against. let me suck simply summarize what i'm try to tell you tonight. stop trolling. stop hating. *-posting. [laughter] [applause] rather, start improving yourself, start learning and start making a difference in the real world.
fortunately, this is what students for liberty and our thousands of volunteers are doing. this is just the last 10 months of activities. our volunteers are getting out there and seeking understanding and mutual respect in civil discourse. we can show the beauty of the ideas when we are writing articles in a newspaper, are during wif -- in a newspaper, arguing free expression. and also not talking to ourselves, but inviting others into the conversation. populism,ht of arising socialism and nationalism, we need to get out there and show that our ideas are about peace, love and liberty, not about hate, fear and big government. this is we are celebrating here at liberty can't -- here at libertycon.
just have a wonderful night and take advantage of it, and get to know your fellow folks here. thank you so much. goodbye. [applause] >> thank you for everything you have done for students for liberty. all of us here have had a very different entry point into liberty. libertysays he got into for a reason and the reason is he is celebrating his 50th anniversary, which is exciting. [applause] nickxt we actually have a two-time finalist for the national magazine award and the only journalist who has interviewed ozzy osbourne and
milton friedman. he will interview dave rubin of youtube and a host of the rubin report. please give the two of them a warm welcome to the space. [applause] nick: i'm nick gillespie, here to talk to dave rubin. it is our 50th anniversary, we started in 1968, and we have a bunch of panels tomorrow. at 4:30 go to the marriott to, because the first couple of hundred people we are going to and iing a special gift, literally guarantee you will be rolling with laughter at this gift. ii at the marriott i
4:30. >> it's going to be marijuana. [laughter] [applause] >> this is why we lost world war ii. it is not marijuana, i will take you that much, but it is pretty good. >> maybe me after the show, in the back. thehere with dave rubin of rubin report. dave has emerged over the past couple of years as one of the great defenders of free speech, and even more importantly, open, honest civil discourse, which is a twin with free speech. dave, i will ask you a couple of questions and, if you would like to ask a question, tweet to me all one word,pie, it is up there now, and i will feed your questions to dave, assuming he is not high as a kite by then. he was smoking like a chimney in the back.
why i have such a nice demeanor. can be so why you civil, you have no idea where you are what you are talking about. dave: it is in the cap. -- it is indica. let's talk about freedom. net: you started out as a standup -- ick: you started out with the young turks and political commentary and you had a break with them over various things. people change and disagree but a lot of it had to do with identity politics. identityu identify politics and why are they problematic to a free, open society? dave: identity politics is the scourge of our time. if there's one thing you have to fight its identity politics, the idea that you should be judged on your immutable
characteristics. jr., what wasking his most quoted thing, he wanted his children to be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. this is the most important thing out there. i can look out there and we have got white people, brown people, gay people and all that diversity that the left loves. but that is not actually important unless you want to be judged as something you were born as. what you want to be judged as and on, are your thoughts, your ideas, your actions. is where, unfortunately, i have tried to help a little bit but this is where the left has failed miserably. : libertarians are neither right-wingers or left-wingers. we believe in voluntary association instead of collision. there are other things. it on the right, is there another type of identity politics. for a long time because for long
time you had these immutable characteristics, you are black or you were a woman or you were gay, they didn't want to have anything to do with you. is also a problem insociety? dave: it is a problem. it is a problem going away a little bit on the right, and that is partly because of you guys. that is because the libertarian movement, being judged as individuals, i think this is actually picking up steam. i spoke at turning point usa a couple weeks ago, and is the largest gathering of conservative college students. i said how many of you are liberal, libertarian, and libertarians got the biggest round of applause. maybe they are the happiest. nick: they were supposed to be here tonight, but they were so high they ended up -- dave: exactly. but this simple idea i think what is happening now is the hysterias that on the left has become so
obvious to everyone that if you want out, you just want out of that, but you are not a conservative -- for me, i married to a man, not even gay. am i did it just to prove a point. [laughter] ifk: you are not really -- newt gingrich on the conservative revolution of the 1990's taught us anything, you are not really married until you have been divorced. get back to us in a couple of years. dave: i want to point out with the mustache and the leopard -- the leather jacket at aqaba in the 1990's -- a gay bar in the 1990's -- i have got to run after this, and i will be in a village people show. [indiscernible] dave: you know, the indian chief drove me to it. i think an answer to your question, the hysteria of the left has driven so many people away i suspect -- how many of you would have considered yourselves liberal to her three
years ago? any of you guys? that is a nice amount of people. now you are saying ok, i can't defend my principles anymore through that prism you now i can defend for libertarianism. that is beautiful, and whatever disagreements we may have, the ability to be judged as individuals and realize we have to live -- the whole point of this experiment which is all that america is is that you are supposed to live with people that look differently and think differently, but we do it within the framework that the government is going to protect our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. that is it. and if you really can wrap yourself around that, you do have a great future in front of you. or at least you do have a future that is yours and not something handed down to you by people who want to look at you with those characteristics. nick: is it hard to be civil? have you had people on the rubin
report, and if you have not subscribed, i recommend you do, report on twitter, have you had people you disagree with? is it hard to have a civil conversation? dave: it is not hard for me. i have had plenty of people. . few weeks ago i had schapiro we had an in-depth conversation about abortion. i am grudgingly pro-choice. it is about a 20-week cut off, but he is pro-life and we went in to it on that. we differ on the death penalty. he is for it, i am against. i had the archbishop from the diocese in los angeles. he didn't even know i was gay, and in the middle of the interview i said, i have -- nick: until you saw him at the bar leader that night. [laughter] dave: you stole the punchline. nick: by the way, i put it 12
years of catholic school. get off my back. dave: he says hi by the way. [laughter] dave: in the middle i said, come in,. there is a great moment, some of you see it where he kind of shifts in his chair a little bit. i could see he was kind of getting a little bit nervous. but by the end we got to a place where, look i didn't think i was , going to tell him you should like gay people. what was he going to do, through the frock often say, let's go to west hollywood? that was my gay accent. [laughter] dave: that was like pure like mid-80's like mr. roper. i didn't think that would happen but it is not about proving a point to people, it's about showing them you are a human. ironically, i will tell you that interview, he
got -- i got him to say his head and his heart were in the same place related to gay marriage. meaning that intellectually because of religion he couldn't accept it but that interview, he his heart was there. he got in so much shit with people on the right for saying that. they're all these catholic who -- there were all these catholic blogs who were writing -- there were people saying he could be pope one day. and there were all these blogs saying -- nick: not anymore. dave: you see, he sat down with this gay guy and there you go. i am not offended. i am sure we could find things we disagree on. nick: we will go to questions from the audience from the twitter storm here, twitter stream, tweeter stream, whatever they say. just a block of wood i am looking at. besides the kind of sexual orientation and gender issues, what are the big hot button issues that really seem to divide us? what about immigration?
you are in southern california. i lived there. in the 1990's liberals and conservatives both were really hostile to immigration. off, but now immigration is an issue that donald trump, very divisive character, rose to the white house in many ways. what do you think about immigration? dave: almost everything trump says, although he doesn't say it articulately, is something you can find a c-span video bill clinton saying the same thing. you can find video five years ago of barack obama saying it the same thing. trump just says it differently. he is a liar of different sprites, and that is why i would be for limiting the power of the federal government. but the things we disagree on whether immigration, abortion, or death penalty, all of those things are secondary to the important issue we need to pay attention to right now which is identity politics and collectivism.
it is this monster. you can all feel it. every time i go to a college, and i get invited by libertarian groups -- i have never been interacted -- invited by a democratic group. i would love to give the same speech. , you guys,tarians basically afraid to say what you think to your professors and often to your friends. if you don't say what you think now when you are 19 or 20 and in college, you don't suddenly get braver when you're out. you are not going to suddenly have a mortgage to pay and a spouse and car payment and suddenly you go, i will start telling the world what i think now. that is -- you do the reverse. i think that is the one issue. we can talk about the ins and outs of politics. they are all secondary. the best example is to of the guys who became good friends of mine, on the show several times, sam harris and then schapiro, the disagree on literally everything.
the everything from the existence of god to religion to abortion and the rest of the things we just mentioned, but they're allies now. they're allies now. because they're both fighting for the ability to think for themselves and speak freely, and that's a beautiful thing. nick: before we go to the questions, who were your bottles when you sat down to create a talkshow like, you know, who were you thinking of? dave: you know larry king has , become a friend and a mentor of mine. and you know i remember watching him in the heyday in the 1980's and i just bought this guy is just having a conversation with people. really, that's it. i mean, when i sit down with people, i do usually have a few things scribbled down, but unless i really have to know some kind of chronological order or specific number, i tried to look at them just as i am looking at them and talk it out and figure out where we are going. i would say larry king and then johnny carson. he retired in 1992, i was only 15 or 16, but i remember watching him and thinking, this
is just a decent fellow, and that's -- nick: talking with people. dave: and just chatting and doing this. you know, i truly never have an agenda when i sit down with someone, and i try to i try to , bring the best out of them. nick: ok. so, here's a question from rob shipments who is in the audience and is also the world's oldest undergrad. rob is -- he is in his 50's. he works for stossel in the clam and has a great question. what explains the growth of identity politics and what identifies hysteria politics? why is identity politics growing now? you say we don't want identity politics. right at the point when people with different sexual orientations finally get to speak or blacks are moving into management positions or women are moving into management positions. now you're saying i don't want to hear about this.
dave: i think it is lazy thinking. if you don't really want to think about the things you guys care about, about where do rights come from, how is the government supposed to function, what is your purpose in society, if you don't want to really think about those things, and you just want to look at the world and go, i am aggrieved. i am a victim. i am a victim, and i have to make sure everyone knows i'm a victim because that's a virtue in their oppression olympics game. it is a very easy way of thinking. it is a very sad and depressing way of thinking because you should be trying to get whatever you can get out of this world and do it with principle and character, but i thing more than anything else it's easy thinking , and the reason that has become so prevalent because cable news is horrible. it is partly because a generation that grew up on snapchat and twitter and just no one started -- [speaking simultaneously] nick: you are both the problem and the solution. dave: yeah. nick: nice knowing you.
dave: get to work, guys. nick: here's a question from kaitlin at lady liberty nc who asks -- raises the idea of does social media help or hurt us in the discussion of liberty? you are saying that social media seems to -- identity politics thrive on that, but then is it also true it allows us to connect more easily so we can spread our own ideas? dave: it is a little of both. the ideas of social justice and the hysteria and the people that every morning you can wake up on twitter and go, i want to find someone who i never heard of who said something i slightly disagree with, let me get them fired from their job. you can do that if you want, but what i think social media has also done -- i assume some of you guys watch my show. that's probably a little something to do with social media. and now there is something bubbling. you guys can feel it. we talked about it before. there's no doubt that there now is a movement that is countering
this nonsense, and we have to use all the tools of social media they have kind of used against us. we got those tools too and got to fight back. nick: are you into antisocial media? dave: antisocial media -- i think that's porn. nick: that's true. that's true. [laughter] nick: that's what -- like porn hub, the largest membership group. my colleague at reason robbie sauve who writes a lot about campus issues, he said you should ask rubin report what he thinks about some people on the right, framing youtube censorship as a first amendment issue. it is a little bit different. twitter bouncing accounts, youtube housing some accounts, but bring them back. people talk about demonetization of youtube videos that have political content in them. where do you stand? dave: it is not a first amendment issue. it is not the government. you can argue there is some
collusion between google and big tech companies and the government, but strictly speaking it's not the government that is doing these things with youtube and twitter. so the argument right now, which is really -- it is an interesting one and why i like talking to libertarians so much is, is this case with google -- because google controls so much information, and because google is the number one search engine and you know what the number one two is? it is youtube. because their power is now so unique for your ability to connect with people, they have access to all of your e-mails and all of the information basically you put out there, is this a unique case where the government should step in? now i would argue, no. no that i just don't think that the government -- i don't think the government does anything well and basically don't think they can -- the amount of problems it would create down the road i think far worse than what is happening now. what should happen is what is happening is capitalism and freedom, and guess what?
hopefully one of you guys sitting here will find some vc people, and you will develop a block chain version of youtube or whatever or just some other players that actually we can all start -- nick: also, block chain version of porn hub. dave: yeah. nick: finally. foreign --ediaated porn. well, there's a followup question on that from christopher hudson who writes: why does rubin spend most of his time platforming pseudo-intellectuals and racists? dave: you can yell out a name if you want. nick: i think he may be talking about -- one of the controversial people you have had on recently is jordan peterson. dave: sure. nick: how many people out there -- do you like jordan peterson? [cheering] guess -- do you like that because he is standing up to political correctness or his
specific insights? ok, it is insight. dave: i would say this. i've gotten to know jordan peterson quite well, and he has has been on the show a bunch, we traveling to and done live events together. nick: you share pronouns you -- together. dave: we share pronouns. he is a wonderful woman. nick: he is. dave: look, this guy -- i am pretty sure -- i don't know who the twitter person was referencing. i don't say he is a pseudo-intellectual and certainly not a racist. the reason he is like this is twofold. it is the same reasons i like. he is just saying be responsible for your life. number one. he is just saying, clean your room. he's saying, take care of your stuff first and then go fix society. it's so simple, but it's important to be said. but number two, he, i think, is the best academic at really unpacking what the left has
become, what this post modern cultural marxist collectivist set of ideas has become. the reason the reaction to him is so insane -- if you notice in the last amount of weeks the number of hickies on him or from the guardian to vice and just a slew of them, is because they don't know how to deal with ideas anymore. so now a guy who has been doing clinical psychology 30 years, extremely well-read, can drop dostoevsky like that, starts telling them the truth, but they don't know how to deal with the truth, and if you don't know what i am talking about, watch his interview with kathy newman. i think some of you guys got it. nick: we got some questions left. keep the questions come and while you're doing it, follow me on twitter. why not? one of you win a prize if you go may to mariott ii tomorrow at 4:30. here's fazal. as a person of color -- dave: where is he?
nick: as a person of color and then in parenthesis, red -- what do you think of muslim dissidents being censors on u.s. campuses in a country claimed to be the home of the free? -- are all about concert censorship. how do you respond to something like that? dave: this is a huge problem. it goes to the soft bigotry of low expectations which believe it or not -- although people credit bill mahr with the phrase it came from george bush. fazal moved from iraq, he was a secularist fighting for freedom in iraq. great person, hope you guys get to meet him out there. he has fought for all of the right principles here. which school did you get week,latforms from this university of oklahoma? so as a brown man, survived saddam and everything else, because he talks about the ideas and the problems which radical islam -- etc. etc., now he is
being deplatformed. so this is soft bigotry. this is -- everyone should be judged as an individual, and the more we say, ok, there's one set of ideas. you know you can mock , christianity all day, all of that. you can mock mormonnism, but we will put a play on broadway, but there is one set of ideas you can't touch. you see the problem in that? there is a lot of other things they don't want that you like about freedom and they would be more than happy to take from you. nick: we are going to do one final question. this is from the liberty wire. @thelibertywire, who has a bruce lee avatar. any advice on speak with progressives on issues as divisive as healthcare and gun rights? these two policy areas involve a motion that making discourse is almost impossible. dave: i saw friend, childhood friend of mine in the city a couple weeks ago and he is a big lefty. known everyone other our whole lives and he is not pleased with
me or my politics anymore, and bar and kind of got it into a -- anymore, and we sat down, and we were at a bar and kind of got it into a little bit and i really wasn't in the mood -- every now and then i like to talk about basketball, maybe or something else. and i didn't want to do politic s, and he just kept going and going and going. finally i said, do you think that you believe what you believe -- i am sorry, i said that backwards. do you think i believe what i believe as much as you believe what you believe? and without hesitation he said, no. and i thought, how profoundly warped is that from someone i've known my whole life? and that is where we have gotten to in society, that people that know each other -- he knows i am not a racist or a homophobe or any of those things. nick: but this is a scam for you. this isn't a performance. dave: precisely. precisely. right. i am selling out for that big libertarian money. [laughter] nick: yeah.
you guys. dave: someone buy me a perrier when i get out there. nick: the great failing of the libertarian movement is nobody ever got rich being an professional libertarian. dave: give me a joint. i would say how do you talk to them? and the most important thing is make it personal. they say they haven't had their ideas challenged in an honest way because of what the universities have done, because of what media has done, make it personal. make your -- if you are sitting there with a friend and you say, , i don't think we should have handouts for poor people from the government because i think actually it should be done by private enterprise or churches or whatever, and they tell you you're a racist, make them repeat it. i mean, stare at them in the eye and make them repeat, yeah, i'm a racist, really? tell me tell me something racist , you ever heard me say and you can get them -- you can get them. it is hard, you'll lose friends and many of you have, i know i have, but keep fighting for the things you believe in because the people that want to take away the things you believe in
are fighting hard, so you may as well match them. but i would say punch a little harder. nick: we'll leave it there. let's give a big round of place for dave rubin. thank you. [cheers and applause] dave: thank you all. thank you, naomi, and remember you're going to roll with laughter at marriott ii 4:30 tomorrow. come down and check it out. thanks, dave rubin. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] announcer 1: for nearly 20 years, in depth has featured the best-known nonfiction writers for live conversations about their books. this year as a special project we are featuring best-selling fiction writers for monthly program in depth fiction edition. join us live sunday at noon eastern with walter mosley. his most recent book is down the river unto the sea area his
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