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magazine series. we take a look at a recent article in a magazine catches our attention. we are joined by the author of one of those pieces, a contributor for sojourners magazine. douglas, thank you for joining us from new york. guest: it's good to be here. thank you. magazine is faith in action for social justice. tell us what it's all about. magazine triesrs to bring together an evangelicalg of christianity and its relationship to issues of social justice. understanding quite clearly that social justice is not something extra that those who call
themselves christians engage in, it is in fact the core of the christian tradition and the core of christian faith. indeed one of the leading voices in sojourners. host: your front-page piece for the april issue is how evangelicals became white, looking at the arc of where the evangelical is in america. what motivated you to write the article? briefly, what have you found? guest: one of the things that motivated me to write the article was the fact that so lentwhite evangelicals their support in terms of voting to the make america great again vision during the presidential campaign.
over 85% ofwell white evangelicals supported this vision and this presidential campaign. that seems to be a contradiction given that evangelicals have typically been considered values voters. they placee that high priority on things such as personal morality. there seems to be a contradiction in terms of white evangelicals supporting a who seemed to compromise the values evangelicals claim to support. have to look at is the fact that the support was not simply for a candidate, it was for the vision this candidate put forward, to make america
great again. the vision was expressed, we know it was and is trying to protect a particular demographic, a particular identity can white identity. when we understand it that way, we can understand why it became so easy for white evangelicals to lend their support to this candidate and this vision. there has been a long relationship between the element -- evangelical movement and support of a particular american identity that is an anglo-saxon white identity. this wasn't an aberration in so many respects. it follows a strand of white evangelical protestantism. it goes as far back as the great
awakening. host: we invite your calls and comments. we have set apart our phone lines. if you consider yourself an evangelical, use (202) 748-8000. for all others, use (202) 784-8001. you consider yourself an evangelical? pistol --m in a episcopal priest and have been for over 30 years. host: you note the historical beginnings of the evangelical movement in america. betweenhere a split now black evangelicals and people of color who are evangelicals and those you describe from the anglo-saxon heritage? around thee look current election, you have a
,umber of evangelicals evangelicals of color, who understood quite clearly what the vision of making america great again was about. they understood and heard quite and thethe bigotry white racism that was very much a part of the narrative of this vision. of course they did not support that vision. the clung tightly to evangelical value of equality, the value that we are all one in christ. is an unusual split. there is always this split in this regard around these issues of race. there was a split with the evangelical the vision and other
traditions around the issue of slavery. it's not unusual at all to see this split emerge in such a public way around this issue. we are again negotiating and navigating not simply what it means to be christian, but what is christianity's relationship to matters of white supremacy and these matters of racism. split, a historical precipitated in many respects by this matter of racial justice. racist if youa are a white evangelical? guest: no. i have not said that at all. there am suggesting is has been a prevalent tradition in white evangelical thought , a whitebeen protected
identity. we have to come to grips with the fact that this country has yet to decide what kind of nation it wants to be. does it want to be a nation that protectout of a move to its white anglo-saxon identity? ofs it want to be the nation the democratic rhetoric, a nation of justice for all. indecisionind of regarding what kind of nation we want to be are these two strands of thought. that can be found within the evangelical protestant tradition. there has been a very prominent and prevailing strand of white evangelical protestant thought that his supported a white identity of this nation,
slaveryd slave fully -- , there have been in the evangelical voices that have been the forefront of racial justice issues, have been the forefront even in the abolitionist movement. those be people like charles or theodore wells , an evangelical minister that came from a family. you have had both. i am not equating white racism with evangelical roasted cousin. what i am suggesting is there has been a strand of thought that his legitimated white racist narratives. piece,ust a bit from the the peace and sojourners magazine.
there we have the division politically. i was disappointed to see some of my friends who hold the position that it didn't matter about some of the rhetoric that was going on during the campaign. they continued to vote for someone that spoke the way he did. they want us to forget about eight years of constant bashing of the president and first lady. in the interest of point to bring the country together, at least we are talking about the subject of race and how religion affects politics. how do we move forward with this? i don't think they are racists and voted for trump. there is an anxiety going on.
i don't know what the issue is. host: we will get a response from reverend douglas. guest: thank you for your call. thank you for your comments and questions. that there is a great anxiety going on in the country. i think there are many things that contribute to that, not the least of which is a rapidly changing demographic. it is also a part of our history to try to protect this american identity that has been equated with whiteness. it's not the first time in our saw this at the turn of the 20th century and the early 1900s when christianity and evangelical christianity be quaint so equated with whiteness and the protection of this identity. how do we move on from here?
the first thing we need to do is tell the truth about who we are. we have to understand what has been the complexity and the hypocrisy of who we claim to be as a nation. talk about the history of race in this country. we have to take seriously the truth of white supremacy in this country. james baldwin wants said all that we are, we can't change all that we face, we can't change anything until we are ready to face it. i think the beginning of moving on and crossing this great divide is telling the truth. we are only telling the truth about who we want to be. we have yet decided whether or not it wants to be a slave nation so to speak, living in to
that noty of slavery everybody can be accepted, only those persons who pass the bar of whiteness. that's the kind of nation we want to be are not. host: art guest is reverend kelly brown douglas. is reverend kelly brown douglas. we have aligned line for those who consider yourself an evangelical, (202) 748-8000. caller: good morning. how are you doing? for the question physical priest. -- episcopal priest. reverendsike black come out against trump. bible, you look
throughout the bible in the old testament and what god made them. a terrorist and wrote two thirds of the new testament. what is to say that trump hasn't changed as of yet and has a connection with god? why'd you always bash the man and prejudge him by whom he was but not by who he is? if you look at the direction, or blacks are being educated, making more money right now. the economy is on a good uptick. i don't hear a positive thing about trump coming out of the black community. host: reverend douglas? guest: yes, again thank you caller for your comments and thank you for listening in.
i think that one of the things we have to understand is what we is no one canout argue about the state of anyone's personal salvation. what we can talk about is the vision that one puts forth for the country. policieslk about the that one puts forth. we can talk about this vision of making america great again with policies and relationships to law and order in relationship to our cities. we can talk about the rhetoric that surrounds this in relationship to immigrants and other people of color. rhetoric is such humanity ofans the those persons who are typically persons of color.
forthlicies that are put are aimed to protect a certain demographic or a certain american identity. that's what has to be critiqued. once we have to say as members of the faith community is this is not accord with the belief in a god if you will in what all people are created equal and all people's dignity is respected. what you see emerging from the itth community and i hope becomes even bolder and louder in its pushing back on any narrative that would suggest not should be respected. we can see in the policies coming forth from this
administration's vision of american greatness to not support the sacred humanity of all persons. less ad hominem attacks as they are looking for a nation which lives into its own rhetoric of justice and a faith community that lives in its own faith claims of all people being created equal. host: let's hear from loopnet in baltimore. next in baltimore. go ahead with your comment. caller: thank you for taking my call. i'm an older white catholic raised more like a quaker presbyterian. i am concerned about your message. i can't quite make out what you intend with it.
i am comfortable with my background and my heritage and so forth. i would like to feel you are trying to become conciliatory with one another and not drive each other farther apart. i feel you are a very educated person. was morer message appealing to people to come together rather than to push us apart. what is your hope? fact thathope is in we can come together and the way in which we come together, our first set toward reconciliation is to speak the truth of who we are. is articular message message to bring us forward in this class for justice. in this class to find a way in
which we can all be respected as human beings and create the kind of society and world in which that is possible. question for me which prompted the writing of the article was trying to understand how white evangelicals in particular and people inty of white america supported the vision of making america great again. move beyond that to discuss the complexity of that matter. god, we all want and we mustto go get over the racial divide by talking about it.
to raise the issue of white it is notand racism, to promote it but to call it out so we can confront it and name the sin. to ignore it is to let it fester. it only continues to reemerge and the gap gets wider and wider. i think it's time for the determine thatly it's a needed to tell the truth about who we are and we can move forward beyond the truth that has divided us. to hide from the truth is not going to bridge the divide. when we talk about truth and reconciliation, we tell the truth to see if we can come together again. tohink we can if we learn tell the truth about our past. host: let's go to our line for
.vangelicals, (202) 748-8000 floyd is in virginia. he created them all on the sixth day. on the seventh day, he created adam and eve. that's just the way it is. god loves all his people. jesus is our savior. that's the way it goes. created on there sixth day. god love them. they were there at the first earth age when the dinosaurs were there. there is going to be a third earth age shortly.
it's the last one. i can't understand how black ifple can vote democratic they believe in killing babies through abortion. we adopted a little baby. how in the world they can go up and vote for the murder of these little babies through abortion and stand up for stuff like that host:. -- that. host: let's get a response. about we have to talk what we stand for as people and as a nation. while there may be particular issues, we are not going to talk babies andrats kill vice versa, the reality of the fact is well we talk about those
kinds of issues, we ignore the daily deadly violence that people are trapped in in this nation every day. particularly people of color are disproportionally trapped in poverty. people a culture where are not provided decent housing, decent educational opportunities , decent job opportunities. need to learn to appreciate in this country is that everybody wants an opportunity to live and flourish in the fullness of whomever they were created to be. and stand forport will providehat for that. of everybody, regardless
their color, their gender, their sexual expression, their ethnicity and religious expression, our job as people who believe in the sacredness of all humanity is to ensure a world in which that sacred humanity can flourish. regardless of the faith tradition we are part of, that is something we hold in common. that is something we all have to struggle together for. host: mike is in indiana. go ahead. morning.ood i understand the message coming from a sister who belongs to the episcopal church.
the first woman to be ordained , andbishop african-american woman. i will be praying for you. this skin toalk in understand. i love jesus. he said it treat your neighbor as yourself. i try to live that everyday. when you been taught to you are superior to hispanics, asians, african-americans, you take that as a generational thing. i understand it. be blessed. guest: thank you for your call. host: let's hear next from woodbridge, illinois.
caller: i really don't practice any religion. i do believe in god. i follow the bible. way i heard was let's bring jobs back here. let's bring our wealth back here. that's the way i took it. when she sits there in keeps ,sing the word over and over white privilege. do you think that makes the white race mad? it does me. helping thek about black race, martin luther king was a great man. i believed what he said. the civil rights today is not the same as yesterday was. we will let you respond.
a quick comment or question for our guest? caller: good morning. i was just going to say what several people have already brought to the point. this seems more like a political question about religion. christ spoke to all people when he said put god first and love thy neighbor as thyself. i installed sound system in churches. and it really believe in denominations. that's just me. are pointing out notably history but politics is essential to the argument you're making.
correct? guest: yes. we don't live out our faith, we don't live out our beliefs in a vacuum. these things drive the way in which we live our lives. whichrive the way in we make decisions. there has never been a divorce politics,ith and faith and the way in which one engages in the community and the world and society. we live that out. we see that all the time. many of our callers of already expressed that in some way. they were talking about different issues which they support or don't support as a matter of principle of faith. there has never been a divorce between that.
we have seen that historically in our country. christianity was used to legitimate slavery. as the religion that could help bring people in or assimilate people into a culture of whiteness. when we talk about white to talk about the fact that there is this thing called white privilege, it's not meant to divide. it's meant to help people recognize the problem of race in this country. thel we begin to recognize fact that to the white in this country affords certain privileges, we will never move beyond the notion of white
supremacy and that which divides us in terms of race. line will remain a persistent problem until we face it. host: our guest is the very reverend dr. kelly brown. -- kelly brown douglas. this was our spotlight on magazines series. thank you for being with us this morning. we are going to wrap up with a discussion on the medium coverage of president trump. graham be joined by tim with the media research center. comments, all and ahead on washington journal.
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