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discussions -- has more questions. feel free to stay on and get answers to the questions. thank you for coming.
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>> we will bring you live remarks from senior campaign aides to opposition candidates who ran against vladimir putin in the russian presidential election. they will look back at the race. live coverage on c-span. onlyo themselves are periodically household names. that may change soon. so bad forto not be reasons we were discussing earlier, having been arrested in the context of the campaign. we are going to pose questions about what it means to run opposition campaigns in russia. first, housekeeping note, tomorrow at 10:00, on the fifth floor, we have another
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interesting and different event. war, victory and catastrophe. it is a topic that is not just historical but increasingly current. it is not coins a dental it is happening in the month of may. it is the battle of the holidays. historian and a sociologist. let me introduce both of our speakers. i'm going to ask them to say a word. what does it mean to run an election campaign when you know enough if you are paying attention to know you are not going to win? we could do an election. i am kidding. the mosttroduce
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recently -- he was the senior advisor to presidential candidate again for those of you who may not pay attention, she did not win. she's an expert on u.s. russian relations. he lives here in washington and has worked on -- under barack obama and bernie sanders campaigns. then, the chief of staff. who also did not win, unless he were not paying attention. -- as he did come in seconds.
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in 2012 peak cofounded the central committee of the progress party in addition to his political work, he is a andlance i.t. consultant officer at our tech group, the 3-ding manufacturer in scanners. how do you run a campaign when you know circumstances are such that you cannot win? who wants to start us off? >> ok. thank you. the question should be differently rephrased. campaignu run a knowing there is no election? unpredictable an outcome. change.uld bring some
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the russian election is not an .lection in any sense .t had all the attributes but of course it was not an election at all. now the election is such an event. i think the electrical type event -- election type event, but not an election. the position was participating in the event itself. .et me recall the timeline
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the election has been scheduled for march 18. it had to be officially announced 90 days before the election itself. is an election that lasts only 90 days because there are some preliminary procedures in the first half of the election. candidacyoclaimed his a year before. of anmatches the style election. especially, if someone doesn't know if you will be allowed to
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be on the ballot are not. behinds the motivation such an announcement. there will be a moment of stress for pollutant because putin can't win anything in the selection. he has the power, all the money in the country. win ins nothing he could the course of this event. there are still some procedures that need to be organized. this creates stress under pressure. , ourong-term strategy bigger strategy is to use every moment of stress.
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being put under stress people do stupid things. organization, to involve more and more young people in politics, to spread ideas and show people around russia, everything is completely wrong and it is going the wrong way, this is what we are doing. the election was a formal reason . it has been a campaign voters whatussian is and isn't an election. an election should be a competitive event with no preliminary known answer. to make an election such an event, they should be granted.
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television access, granted. to demonstrate this, before the official election, and it started to build up as if it were a real election, which it was not. , 84 regional campaign itdquarters all over russia, is not permitted to run.
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this has been successful. first of all, we managed to grow up the organization. we have dozens of regional headquarters operating all over the country. we have the number of people contributing to the crowd of our political organization, multiplied by six, the number of volunteers participating in activities by five. fors a significant growth the campaign. demonstrated the majority that it is not an election and should not be perceived so.
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has generated funny side effects. being the campaign which has been a product of our campaign. we have shown the new way to organizea campaign, to politically in russia. it is possible. people are ready to engage in , to turn activities out all over the country. orderly in the population , even morey city
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than in larger cities. , most important timings of air campaign, considered relative numbers. just because of people in smaller cities are less happy. this is the result. ,he main goal of our campaign maybe we did not push hard enough or we push too hard. recalled thee they election nearly forced the incumbent into the second round. -- it still has an
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effect. the last part of our campaign was to demonstrate it. to prove the official figures , which is also successful. in many regions we have proven to --he different goes
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the official numbers. day, they camehe out of this campaign, well over a year including a year and a half being stronger organizationally, having use this political momentum to go to tens of millions of people over russia through our campaign leaflets, to hundreds of person,s of people in having proven to them that this was not an election they have to continue.
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>> it's a great question. how to run a campaign where you know you are not going to win. handimes people on the one take part in olympic games and sometimes don't know they are going to win or not. we know tomorrow we are going to that. you have to play russian knowics, even though you you are probably not going to win. no action like passive action is also not a strategy. should use any election, any opportunity in such a political to reach out to people. it is an opportunity to
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mobilize, to make people more and have the opportunity to educate and train the staff as well. to big organizations and movements. chance. say there is a you always have a chance. you never know back then in 2013, i've heard so many saying he did not have any chance. 2017 when we ran the campaign i youd these voices saying guys would die have any chance.
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would have first-time candidates from all those people . believe there is always a chance. mobilizingieve against putin is always better than not mobilizing against putin. you are not going to be able to interested inople politics. maybe they have different views. you have to create movements and educate people. especially in the political landscape like russia, culturalto be in a mentality, you have to bring examples. -- youlove stories,
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would not see that many engagement if we did not have this great campaign of so many people who feel energized and took part in different activities. hope.akes that is why you should always participate. a chance to muster your skills and challenge the regime. >> let me start. i'm going to get to some questions that very obviously .ifferentiate neither movement, neither political movement, despite their differences and commonalities was calling for a resolution in the streets. people were in the streets but
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not calling for the overthrow of the government through revolution. some would say that any way in which you play within the system by its rules, you're going to have an election after serving a we embrace the concept of election, we disagree with the way you are running at, but that premise of granting the legitimacy to the system to is alreadyrules morally wrong, politically unwise. how do you respond to those who say you are playing too much within the system now? >> i remember playing by our own rules. not only it couldn't be a campaign, wethe
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rule. agree to this we didn't accept their legitimacy. so, i threw the election is being organized by our rules or we don't recognize it as an election. so, it is a significant difference. we have to participate in any kind of election. i don't agree here. have said- what they putin and some press
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elected fake candidates. it was not an election. strategy and more on point, it should not be part of it. so we are not playing by the rules. having started our campaign, trying to dictate the election, how would should be organized, we have tried to dictate our own rules. >> if i understood you correctly, you said if they had you be run, actually let a candidate he would have been a candidate in this election. is that right? justey are campaigning not here, but unlimited liberty to
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organize a campaign and a number of other requirements. authorities said yes commute can be on the ballot, but you can't have the campaign you want to have an denied television time cliven he would have not run? >> definitely. thehey cannot deny television time. >> of course they can. >> the point is simple. i believe there are many reasons thing is to have an election in a well-developed system like europe or america were you can have 17 candidates on the republican side and seven on the democratic side and you can choose. in the border should decide. do you like this one or this one? we don't have this situation. a false selection.
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it is not a real election. that does not mean you have to sit around and wait until magically a perfect political situation arises and you have perfect presidents willing to take part in debates. we have to create your destiny. i believe this is really vital ,.r russia -- vital for russia. matter.not they make the election look like a farce, a circus with the fake
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candidates that will be there .or 20 years in that sense, i am not talking about legitimacy. , thetate to owns the power cane who has the authority put anybody in prison in just a second. in a way, taking part in an election may look like you are delegitimizing the process. we really legitimize a person , whoan easily start wars change the constitution and stuff like that, pushing through his agenda. delegitimize, or
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are they going to do whatever they plan, plot and execute the way they do no matter what. i just watch this happening. look be for great candidates ever. was gorbachev good? how many like -- doesn't exist. a great candidate doesn't exist. what does exist? the human element and i evolution is such right trade for look ns are like -- let's throughout history. revolution 1917 and the
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world war ii. putin, tsin, and now the they are so sick and tired of change. and change is literally in their minds something negative so so in order to convince russians, my opinion, you have to tell them change or revolution. they're afraid of change. happy they can survive and afford a you just can't be on example by by little on, examples like teach them the difference. that politics matters because how they translate in this and this into your personal life. and they feel it themselves, when they feel it, i believe out. they turn you cannot sell like simple, elections ric like are important to your duties as to vote. it doesn't work. they were like ruled.
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problems, take initiative. they have problems, going to their life. russian politics and participation comes down to dedication to teach them that to run. it's ok, yeah, sometimes people really hard time and i admire what they do. still alive. they're doing -- people are office. for it's possible. even for first time candidates possible. believe it is one of the best principles of democracy. one election, lost election. is a long, long history and this young country, democracy just needs the time to develop. that's my point.
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i want to stipulate you both have given good and olid reasons why you should be engaged in what we would call politics and i want to just say think i'm sure you're both genuine about your views and your candidates probably are, too. to get to those that are probably less ingenuous or genuine. that is the authorities. so why do you think the authorities permit your run?date to there's -- i ieve believe that the history -- the of russia, i elieve sort of let's call it democracy. and that the perception of russians means election cannot be -- like north korea like totally fake everything. so i believe there's a general
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in the democratic moral people -- people see the election they see it as the election process. they don't always take part in elections. more or less, the turnout don't -- course, the kremlin needs this legitimacy for themselves. you know? of use they are afraid eople who are going to get on 200,000 ts and i mean, people can be on the streets, for the prime examples of they're like change the grassroots movement is best example what he
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i believe in and this sense, they want to have, you know, in a way like fake show like, ok, we really have the support. at the presidential race. it wasn't about putin. it wasn't about candidate. it was about turnout. to show that people support him. about candidacy. and in a sense, every candidate, little competition like helped him, of course. whether they're going to use it or not. > i can tell you're jumping to say something. can i add a question? you're welcome to respond. ask a question. was he still able to do anything? unning for president or not running for president, the authorities have the ability at any point to shut him down. >> they have the ability to do nything to pretty much anyone in russia. -- they, of course,
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inspirational. they have not lost their mind. it's cruel mind. for every important decision they make. actually, you know every important decision has escalated to the top level to president putin himself. why they don't rrest them and throw him in prison again is that they at that oint in time decide the downside is absence is the only reason. they afraid of? >> i think to grow and people on the streets. eople on the streets is
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definitely the only thing that they are afraid of. this has been proven on a number occasions. contend that ast and also increase this general knowledge of injustice. came.hing which searched already been but repeat, they don't want to out of him. results finitely -- it funny things sometimes. of which he wasn't arrested.
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so which sounds a bit strange. very -- must be proce mind.ssed by a >> let me -- the question about which is the of like thinking in case of russia because russia is heavily authoritarian regime. active a lot of state and state property. pretty much call any 70% of companies, of work within this ystem unless really like
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terrific organizations and act against the law. well.f this regime as because you cannot change this or two.ith a day so you have any change starts little. so you have to find ways within this politicalin win or little racks and trying to get in those cracks and actually, find find like nd can you st it and otherwise, maybe nna wait generatio generations. >> what about the -- i mean, kind of water f seeping into the stone to
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another level. your candidate hen she was here six weeks before the election, what if mr. utin asks you to serve in his candidate after the election or the prime minister. would you do it? she said yes. theory of change from the inside. my question is how far do you go with that, right? youo the question is how do define cooperation in the regime. cooperation. you can cooperate while you're becoming part of a government part of this corrupt bribers government.n while thereooperate and take your action and low profile profile, still move things a little. so it may seem insignificant but it's sometimes, i ask a question
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we won big time one seat. the question is big success on our side? yes, at the same time, what would be the government, the this n, able to shut down person easily? easily. therefore, i believe in the kremlin, there really le who are also regime so i don't think that it's one sided. i think there's a lot of like interest or point of power that reasonable people who action like port that. regimesn't want to break to revolution through it. steadily, develop he country to the point that while we have great examples of
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spies like so many who steadily develop. sure. different governments, but possible.'s so i believe that it's corrupt and aggressive. centers of l some interest of change. how powerful they are to execute. that's the question. the government is -- if the do it, nt is willing to they can do it. didn't it dois why anything against at the municipal level? this is the question. the regime and this also realizes that conomic downgrade can last for so long and then it's going to be real collapse.
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in the history, i of a product of and maybe status quo to create the government. of course, it's not happened -- as long asg as you don't have free media, as a g as you don't have like system and as long as you don't have all these institutions working and as long as you have government, the nothing gonna change. a process thatll needs to be like we need to start it. at each level. the room areany in aware, there's a very famous you between the two candidates a few days after they left. election night. >> i don't recall very good.
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>> ok. seen it since then. >> no. >> no? ok. let me summarize. >> ok. i read the summary. basic message was hey, get lost. >> that's true. >> but i probably stand to my statement. it's not my statement. but it's really important. 'm not sure, i have to apologize. easily sure it will be to understand being used politics is erican and it's really to understand russian politics is doing. but it's still important. this event hasen been announced, quite many of of my staff, yes, wrote
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me a telegram message. telegram is not blocked in unlike any other internet tool. described the idea of -- from disrespect to insult. but i have great respect for the work that he's done. it was really great. on the campaign he start and success. he's feltobably, even chained. anwhat he's done in 2013 was
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anti-putin campaign. faced opposition and oppression. staff spent over 4,000 days in jail. and were subject to fines. duty.gitimate while the other campaign was fake showing has participated only encouragement from the government. nd has been from the very eginning orchestrated and putin because not only is it proven that he's independent candidate in the election but they decided it's dangerous to allow.
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decided to hey , forces and while participating in this is clearly a disrespect to, well, my chief who was arrested today and just to miss. to say, e kind of try more moderate? the anti-putin campaign and re-election. get and that was part of his orchestrate a fake election.
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very big statement. and that's why i don't want to discuss in terms of comparison campaigns. and that's why they say to get lost. campaign has to get lost. because while our political acuity continued as it was after 18th, our networks operates starting a new project. election was just a myth. our campaign lasts for several years. say seven years. we built up organizationally etting stronger and stronger and stronger despite all the opposition and obstacles from kremlin. reason like last mayoral election and state election presidential to ome -- some -- any kind
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talk to people and to explain to inple what actually happened russia. we continue to steadily work towards -- working through it. get lost. after march 18th completely, in having been well this results. sorry, it's probably a bit of character but it was coming from that. >> yeah, quick. really active part in this and first of all, i want to stress i can't state it why first hand. i wasn't paid. >> no.
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well, that's the point. you don't know. it doesn't do any good for our tribal -- like the more candidates that you have, the better. -- s, i believe, like i let's give you one example for the russianme to do election. here wasn't any candidate before the candidate six years like actively talking to women. that's important. we also had a really successful registered 4,000 in 53 on our website, ffices and collect a ton of signatures and i believe pretty
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tight, noncandidates and candidates and campaign, after the we learned that united states right after the sanctions were on, none of the political able,nmental officials was brave enough to face the tough situations here in washington, face people and talk about meddling and all that. also during the basically l election asked putin this question and his brother about the prisoners. get them out of the jail. we did a lot. believe we were five months with this system. and we did quite a lot. and i believe and i have to to -- i believe what it was able to do. about ukraine and
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rights and stuff like that. now, how much of an effect or success it was? well, we don't know. but does that mean that we don't it. to do it doesn't mean she is like in a competitor. who is ly believe one loyal and appreciated work like do will never change it. team, e who lost a soccer a, will never because of some e-mails on the basis of like the rapidly change the type and switch to a difference. i think it's important in democracy to have many faces. democracy has to have many faces. male, female, stuff like that. polarization, this verticalization, if you wish, of political position process was russia does sort of actually
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help the kremlin to divide those people, to divide those factors.t totally e same time, i nderstand the position which i support. you have some support where you can pit one against one person or but you have also team sports. be where and ot whether you play for yourself. team., you have to build and this is the problem with the questions or the personal uestions, how do you consider the political politics with russia right now? one to one but this is normal to compete in politics. vitaly, let me just interrupt you for a moment and i want to make sure i want to get one last you and then th we'll turn to the room.
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russia is not like sports in at least one important respect which is, of course, in you know, people generally don't get arrested and they don't get killed. and so i can see, therefore, why they have kind of the moral and know, f the support, you even have the conversation. i guess there's another side, also, to this at what's at stake. american politics and one of the reasons that so open and authoritarian leaders or just an ers in the world losing election who aren't sure they should leave power. power.o, just leave in much of the rest of the world, you leave power and then you do a book deal. then you get a board gig. and so on, you become a millionaire. it's not like that in other parts of the world. you disappear after you lose power.
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at of the things that's stake, i think, in general with politics in russia are people afraid of what happens when someone really takes on authorities. lot it can get bloody and a of people can suffer. ateresting argument was made this table, is we had a panel of russian kind of political or so ts just a week after the election and an interesting comment was made at this table. you're a serious and civic minded person and go to the walk to the u polling place, you sign your name and you show your i.d. and to vote and you look at the list of candidates. you can only vote for vladimir putin. of a sense of civic responsibility, the last thing you're going to do is vote for someone who wants to kind of up and create chaos in any direction. for both stion i have of you in your different campaigns this year in a context and the different kind of basic approach, what can you do to
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russians?more to a wider swath of russians who are actually afraid and it's amazing how much russians to me are not afraid, by the way. i think that's something that's been proven in the last decade with everything. but what can you do to get more who at the end of the day basically are like yeah, i i don't e things but want to rock the boat because it an get bloody and it can get bad. >> let's start, please. maybe. but the thing that really helps many russians are now living like nothing to lose. to be in nsider not -- real small amount. populationizens, the of hundreds of thousands, something like this.
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here are only two types of streets in the cities. microgrids so re a -- and interest rates. second type is help you to get free to such loans. there is no more in this. normal.leave in and the normal injustice of the inequality. if he can have to see do it. very can really lead to
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unpleasant consequences. the revolution, bloody ones. that they have to create. it's very complicated to talk to he people on one hand, because it's really desperate people and on the other hand, it's kind of them because o they really get your talking points. there those people and is no in the country, it's wrong. but you might get defiant and just has this list of candidates technically.
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rationally. putin because this is how and why this list of candidates has been selected. dignity and health and mind. among them. proven al composition number of things by our polls and invest quite a lot in the research and point. just, of course, very rough numbers. it, sort of 10% are supporters. like people who hate one and putin. it's pretty much the same.
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there are no more difference between large seated and smaller seated. percentage of people who realize everything is wrong. that the government has problems. that the country needs the of the state to be building all the institutions from scratch. learned and o has and thethe main success here to be engaged in politics. so since politics doesn't seem -- to be by trained people who don't have to participate.
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so putin's campaign was and all all of the numbers show this. so, 60% of people who generally do not participate in any kind thereitical activities, is a very massive turnout and this is a presidential election. it only happens once in 60 years. now you have to -- you really have to go into lockdown, and as people are disengaging from politics, they have seen this .ist of mr. putin and that is how it was designed
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and in a sense, it was a fornological success president putin. this does not prove he is a national leader uniting everyone is a country. it's just not true. plus -- the last 20 years have been spent on propaganda to create the wrong attitude to politics. it is especially important to talk about values, ideas, and moral things. absolutely true to your ears. it's not in a moral thing to participate in this election.
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this election has become a circus. and there's also the ukraine. the forum for integrity. what is our message to the people, to the voters? complicated to talk to this majority. our campaign from the very beginning has been a majority campaign. it was not a campaign targeted like 2% of well educated intelligentsia or 5% of them, which could be a strategy for a duma campaign where you me just 5% to get your representatives at the duma. it has never been successful yet. but our campaigns have targeted the majority of those feeling
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injustice, poverty, corruption in their everyday life. we really have people and they are becoming adventurous. deal with the russian election as a real election and select issues -- let's talk human rights -- is sustainable because couldn't is an issue. the monarchy is an issue. injustice is an issue. we have to get-- rid of putin first and then talk about human rights. it's just the only possible moral position in my minds.
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-- in my mind. . we marked the anniversary of the russian revolutionary process. and part of that process is where the different layers of change lined up. some of them were conversations -- what should we do, what is moderne of women in russia you go we have to get rid of autocracy first. it's kind of amazing 100 years later we are dealing with the same -- i know that you have to respond to some of that. vitaly: quite obviously you have to debate all of this and then you are going to literally come to the second option is the that will follow the collapse and you will have engagement.
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i do not think truly -- and this is my personal opinion, of course, that each political actor has to choose the right center for him or herself. that the't believe revolutionary wave is going to be more successful -- i do not believe as well that kremlin corrupt politicians will freely give up the power. i do not believe it. and for the opposition and so many people, what is at stake -- it may be the campaign, but for those guys, just try to get in their brain. for those guys, you don't have much options, you know? i do not think they will freely give up the power like the
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oligarchs are not going to freely give up the money. i am saying i believe the more candidates, the more elections, the better is just -- look at the perestroika time, like gorbachev. that is a prime example. a heavily bureaucratic guy elected by the communist party, by the communist ticket came to power and helped with other ideas, may be small, different strategy coming to power and rapidly changing the russian approach and that is why so many any -- so many russians hate him. if we create many, many thousands of navalnys, i believe it will slowly come this
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way or ignite in terms of revolution in collapse, but you cannot sit and hope and expect those guys to give up what they have. i don't believe in this waiting for perfect situation strategy. matthew: sure. leonid: you can't create thousands of navalnys. navalny.s vitali: ok, i correct myself -- leonid: it can be created. you cannot create independent politicians. -- it can't be created. you cannot create independent politicians. the unitedk at states. bernie created a movement on the progressive ticket.
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educate young people, not just for one party or one particular agenda, but on broader issues women, lgbt,e whatever. i believe in a broader coalition . not just -- of course, you -- everyone is individual and unique and no one can be as successful in the future as navalny. i'm not joined to take his achievements way. i am just trying to think out of the box and talk to people in a different way. web 20 minutes left. we have two ground rules. -- we have 20 minutes left. introduce yourself and your affiliation, if you have one. ask a question with a question mark, and please keep it civil. let's start with the woman in the light blue jacket.
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. >> good evening. the russia foundation. thank you very much for the discussion. you mentioned the strategy. could you estimate the success 2012, strategy given which did not involve that i -- what and to vital about the campaign in the election? susan: nice and short -- matthew: i sent short. ok, the campaign was nice and short because we demonstrated a lot of proof for the normal sophistication of election
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results. we have proven once again that voters are not full's and they are not gone. , 30% --f alexey navalny that 30% in districts in moscow for the municipal independent candidates in the municipal election. this was our 30%. for did not throw it out candidates because they were full some. they are not smart. they cannot distinguish between one election and the fake collection and our campaign has stressed this. atali: i do not consider it failure. it is hard to consider something a failure or success when you look at how much of it is a
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percentage echo how much of it do you achieve with a long-term goal. at i believe you start from zero to become the number for candidate in the country. number two in foreign countries. this is really, really important and, secondly, of course, there are 40,000 people who register and i believe in what we achieved. it is tremendous. certainly, you cannot compare russia 2013 -- 2012 and russia right now. no ukraine.
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it was a different russia. it was a different movement in the air because of the protests, protest on the streets. you did not have all of the sanctions and stuff like this. i believe, and by the way, pork orhrov being a candidate -- i believe his campaign manager was taking part as well. they spent so much more money kremlin. pushed by the i believe they live in a different reality. is -- to present is an achievement. you think about how much, but how, and how much -- i think we think about that now.
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katie in thehew: brown sweater. thank you both for a fascinating presentation. my question is to follow up on matt's's question on how to appeal to a wider swath of russians? can you talk about what you saw at these rallies, particularly the 60% who are. what gets those people off the cow? -- off the couch? is it the local issue? the values-based appeal? what was your experience and were you surprised? generally, what gets them off the couch is injustice, even in the broad sense. something that really persists as a strong injustice.
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the police and the media lying about it, trying not to say something. unexpected.ething you cannot predict that this event will ignite and this one will not. sometimes you do not understand it. in a global sense, it is injustice. there is this unbelievable, deep sense of the lack of fairness, and economic stagnation and the lack of jobs and you can ride on those topics really well. in the greatmike jacket. i'm going to stop with colors because these are really bright lights. thank you.
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thank you to both of you, and your bossonid -- boss, for the courage to operate in the current environment and russia today. a question to both of you -- if you could dig down to her into the kind of polling -- obviously, we have the election, but digging into what you , in terms ofeonid the stratification in the electorate. we see consistently mr. putin has popularity over 80%. it strongly supports his ability to handle various issues has risen since ukraine -- a two-part question. are you seeing those polls? do you sick -- do you disagree with the 86% or so? and number two, i am joined to
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understand why the kremlin, mr. your bossld not let ron? it seems like if you believe those numbers, 86%, if he ran, with all due respect and them credit, that would be the best way of discrediting him as a political force, as opposed to making him into a martyr like figure. ah, thank you for the question. that has been one of our strategical ideas, that they byld be by -- so persuaded their own figures of 86% that they would let him run just to demonstrate he has a mere 2% of support. he already has experience because we started a moscow mayoral campaign. our own polling in 2013 has -- you know, there is 45%
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and 36% in real exit polls and 51% in official results. very, very close. because there are different , who will, people ask you vote for, who do you -- during all of 2017, they were building out in russia, so our registered voters -- you do not have television access, newspapers, radio, even on the internet, our ability to operate is very restrict did. so, -- very restricted. so, we have outreach for the media to outreach to their friends, other people, and so on.
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the form of this outreach can be very effective with the permanent moscow mayoral campaign. not want toy do test it again. as far as our own polling has well, not in the 1980's, but in the 1970's -- the cause once again, those people -- because once again, those people happen asked generally, do you support putin? sayinguite complicated sawulling in it that chrissy. it has strange effects on the numbers. and our prediction, the prediction of our polling service -- well, i'm not really independent here. my wife ran our polling service. our prediction for it was exact. we have all these numbers of the
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official results. predicted as 76% for potent -- for putin, which they have demonstrated as the result. the campaign is what changes everything because it links think abouts people the issues that are really important to them. vitali: why is a good question. on the one hand, so many people just think of russia as a perfect created machine like a perfect created monster, for one , for one particular vote to come to power. keep the power and you
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you unlimited resources and have a society that is heavily , thatent on government has a lot of cultural roots -- of course, the kremlin uses this portray in trying to the current government as the and successful president and administration. and they have been doing this for eight years. and guess what? they got really good at it. all the media, everything will day, 20 47, just hammering the same message. 24/ll the media, every day,
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7, just hammering the same message. generations my age and older, also from the 90's, the kremlin using rhetoric being very successful. you guys, the putin-era came to a better life, and you did. in the 1990's they were lining up for bread and butter like in the war, and suddenly they had their first car or microwave or could afford a vacation. i believe all those reasons the kremlin uses really strategically to make them exchangeable and the only possible option. like, who else but putin? the biggest country on earth -- there is no one more effective manager of government. government is just a management job. and in this sense, this propaganda does a lot. does a lot and makes people all this wealth did
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not come from oil, higher oil prices and the corruption that followed it, but came through putin. demonize thehey government, they demonize the administration, but they lost putin. also independently, he went away from the united russia, but to make all of this really -- to whatnguish he is great and is really wrong with russia is actually two things. corrupt people who make people suffer, and of this sanction -- in this sense, sanctions with the oil, if you ask a russian what is happening with the european union, unfortunately, it helps him to sell his propaganda. fault of the economy. not the fault of bad management. not the fault of corruption. but the fault of external reasons like the u.s. or europe
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or something like that. in that is what people mostly support him because they do not have access to information. that is why it is important to run a campaign to educate them. with the court cases, i believe .t is 2% or 3% or lower and people just do not believe it. they really believe what is happening in ukraine. , when you getalso deeper in stuff, i think that makes the kremlin successful and they want to be 80%. i also do not believe he has 86%.
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have really good polling or a really fair election, putin would win. i believe this time around he still would win. maybe next time he would not. matthew: we have time for one more question. the microphone? if you could keep it short -- >> hi. valerie, cornell university. i want to ask those of you if you have studied opposition campaigns that succeeded? matthew: great. i didn't., i studied computer science. vitali: i studied two successful thegs in the way that -- russian -- the
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georgian president, but it is -- in a country as small as georgia, it's easy to implement those changes. the militaryck out officers and still survive. stuff like that in russia, you would not succeed. make no mistake. thesecondly, i believe whosroots campaign, someone has been for 25 years saying the same things on the senate floor can at nightsudden and motivate so many young people from the bottom, i believe it is also a prime example. again, that is from the united states and not from russia. we have three minutes left. a few hands up. ask the questions really quickly. right there, the gentleman in blue and black.
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this has to be quick. >> my name is dmitry. my question is primarily for mr. volkov. you do to increase the chances putin leaves power and is there a way that you or mr. alny see that happen? can he leave with criminal charges? what can you do to make sure he leaves in 2024? matthew: the gentleman and black. >> is it possible the russian government would adopt measures used by the current chinese government like the spy walls to control -- not just control, but change the behavior of the proposition. -- they have a couple of
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times already stolen all of the for such abudgeted system. i do not believe they would even fix it. for the first question, well, i putin is highly likely will run in 2024. milestones.ortant since 2011, our strategy has been to hold up and reach out to more and more people to find new -- that wasoutube not in our inventory before 2015 and now it is essential. we have organizationally grown-up. reasons,ppen any
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dependent on us or not. issues are some very natural biological events or internal struggles. endo not know how this will , but we have to be ready. grown-up and strong as an organization. of course, we have to do everything we can. this is a strategy. matthew: very quickly on that point -- can i just ask -- having labeled this group, is there any way that navalny would signal -- oh, you do not have to worry, we will not put you on trial?
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leonid: >> they can get immunity in exchange for a peaceful transfer of power. flex i believe the internet and fire walk my don't think it is possible. the chinese internet was set up , 76%.ently i believe it is technical to do so. like they did years ago, i believe this will continue. to block the internet, pretty much unlikely.
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>> that was the fascinating discussion. this is an important topic. thank you for your questions. [applause]
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