tv Washington Journal Representative Pramila Jayapal CSPAN May 10, 2018 5:45pm-6:09pm EDT
>> as we wait for coverage, the conversation on immigration and the latest with special counsel mueller's investigation into russia's role in the 2016. from "washington journal." , a do serves washington and a member of the judiciary subcommittee on immigration and border security. good morning. first of all, your thoughts on the release of those north , andn detainees particularly what it means not only for their release, but larger issues at play when it comes to relations with north korea. rep. jayapal: it is an interesting time. president trump is not the first president to get detainees released. obviously it is wonderful news for those individuals, for those families, for our overall relationship. the question is, how does this summit?he
how is it being leveraged for any summit that might happen between the president and kim jong-un? we will have to wait and see that this is not somehow a tit-for-tat summit? how is it being leveraged for any summit that might happen between the president and kim jong-un relationship that diminishes our leverage in future negotiations. host: what does diminishing look like to you? rep. jayapal: it could be any number of things. kim jong-un is a very smart man. i don't think he does very much that is terrible in so many ways, but he doesn't do something unless he thinks he is going to get something back. these are the big things that are on the plate for the united states. we can't get diverted from that in any way. we can't think that he's a good guy just for releasing these three detainees and somehow have him come out ahead on this deal. host: on other issues, there's a
"tory in "the washington times talking about how the republicans and their interest in launching a petition comes to a vote on so-called dreamers. could you set this up and tell us what is happening? rep. jayapal: president obama about daca, which allowed 800,000 dreamers to have legal status, be them to stay here, and work. there was no permanent solution for a path to citizenship. it was at administrative action because congress had not yet taken action. when president trump came in, he rescinded that program. through the lives of these a thousand trimmers into chaos. there are country about 1.8 million dreamers, not all of whom who have applied for the program. is a significant issue. about 95% of the country agrees. -- agrees instrict red and blue distance across the country that these young people
should be able to stay that came to the country when they were very young, brought by their parents. often they have not been to another country. they don't speak the languages of any other country. they are as american as you and i are. ,o president trump said congress, you need to do something to fix this. it was a cruel move because it threw everything into limbo. have that, republicans refused to pass any sort of permanent solution even that we have a bipartisan agreement that we should. there have been numerous bipartisan proposals that have been taken to the president. he has every time rejected them, even though he said the beginning just bring me a bipartisan proposal. i will sign it. that has not happened. there are republicans who care deeply about this issue and are worried about their seats and need to do something on this. has been a constant thing for the last year. philo, carlos cabrillo has filed
a discharge petition. i think there are 17 republicans so far who have signed it. once they get eight more and if signs it -- none have as of yet -- then we will have 2018 signatures. i had no idea what that was before i came to congress. it sets up a process where four bills could be brought to the floor at the same time around immigration and dreamers specifically. arei've are -- two bipartisan, bicameral proposals. bill that isher not written yet that would be speaker ryan's offering to the pile. then there is a good let bill bill -- eight goodlatte that is extremely restrictive,
not bipartisan. any one of those that garners 218 signatures would pass. that is queen of the hill. in a way, that its capture the .lag witho we've already signed the discharge petition for the aguilar bill. we've but forward -- we've put forward numerous bipartisan bills. it is really a shame that speaker ryan had refused to bring anything to the floor. this is forcing his hand. republicans are forcing the speaker's hand. host: i will introduce callers if they want to ask about the severed on immigration, particularly -- want to ask this effort on immigration, particularly dreamers. you should know that our capital
'soducer saying there 13,000 signing this petition. if it does get to the floor, what does it mean for those -- 13 house members signing this petition. if it does get to the floor, what does it mean for those dreamers? all of that: if happens, what would a million dreamers would be particularly the country, able to contribute to the economy. the studies are off the charts about the economic benefits of dreamers in this economy. these are great young people who have a lot to contribute. they have been working. they have been treating billions of dollars -- been contributing billions of dollars. we need to make sure they have a path to stay here and a path to
citizenship, not make them a political football that just keeps getting tossed back and forth. actually give them some stability. is theompassionate, it american way, and it is good for our economy. host: could that number grow, or does it stay strictly at 120 million? rep. jayapal: there are restrictions in terms of how old you have to be, various things that would be preventing it from growing. there's usually a date in the legislation, depending on what we pass, that says before this date. so no, that is the number. host: is the case that he would make to allow triggers tuesday in the country just purely economics, or is there other reasons they should stay?? no, immigration has never been about immigration policy. it is about who we are as a country and what we are willing to stand for. this country was built by immigrants willing and unwilling. i am actually a first immigration immigrant.
i came here when i was 16 years old by myself. it took me 17 years to become a u.s. citizen. for these dreamers, there is absolutely a moral case. there's an epidemic case that an economic case. these are young people who literally in some cases found out they didn't have documented status here when they applied to go on a field trip or when they toided they needed to go college and produce something, or when they needed a drivers license to have certain documents. a lot of people had no idea that they didn't have documented status. they really are as american as you and i. to me it is a moral issue. to make it ants economic issue, i can certainly go there because it certainly is argument, but this isn't something we have to debate too hard with the american people.
there are not too many people, according to the polls, that think triggers should not be citizens. host: steve is on with our guest , the first by chair of the congressional progressive caucus. caller: good morning. representative, i have a concern thing now whole daca being quenched. withill you deal continuing to go even the docket is closed? rep. jayapal: i don't the guy understood your question, steve. you said how will be continue to go? eah, because docket is closed and you're still going. host: the mean that the daca program is currently suspended, and there's efforts to revive that? caller: yeah. rep. jayapal: will actually come up because it has been challenged in the courts, the
resending of the daca program has been challenged in the courts. resentedident trump the program, a number of groups and states challenged that decision the court's. -- right now, the daca program is in effect. andas then taken to court, the courts actually did rule that it needed to stay open. at that point, the trump administration appealed that ruling. it still isn't open for new applicants, but it is open for renewals of those who are he had ao status -- had dac status. host: steve in reno on the republican line. go ahead. caller: i just wanted to know if
the congress woman herself as a u.s. citizen. rep. jayapal: yes, absolutely. you have to be a u.s. citizen to be in congress. i am a proud u.s. citizen. i became a citizen in 2000. i've lived in this country for since i was 16 years old. i will not tell you my age, but i can promise you is a very long time. host: you were born in india. rep. jayapal: exactly. came to the united states when i was 16 by myself. was on a whole host of visas. i came here on a student visa. married to aars, u.s. citizen, had a u.s. citizen child, and have been here. i have not been for the situation some of these kids have been through because everything i did was through the visa system, which is very broken. fix,e talking about a daca but we need a whole fix of comprehensive immigration reform in general. most of our immigration laws,
and a lot of folks watching may not know this, have not been adjusted for decades. it keeps getting tossed back and forth because it is complicated. there are many pieces to keep up immigration. legalization of undocumented immigrants in this country, most of whom are picking the food that we eat, claiming the hotel rooms that people might stay and, doing a lot of work in plants across the united states. but we haven't had any kind of a system that matches our economic needs for labor to our immigration needs. host: from new jersey, mike is next. caller: good morning. just wanted to ask the representative if she is part of the theory that the end
justifies the means. what does she think also of the lifeboat theory? this nation is the lifeboat. if you have 40 people on the lifeboat and you see someone swimming to you, if you pick that person up the boat will sink. what are her ideas? thank you. rep. jayapal: thank you so much for the question. my ideas are that we have a functioning immigration system that allows for us to know who is coming into the country, meet the economic needs of our country, and allows for us to -- ourarmorial values moral values and human values as the united states america.
host: what is the typical length of becoming an american citizen, and how can that be streamlined? rep. jayapal: it all has to do with how many people we allow and how quickly those visas get processed. every visa category has a different sort of qualification, if you will. he idea that it is easy just
comes from people who haven't been through it. when people say to undocumented immigrants, well, get to the back of the line, they don't know about the fact that the legal immigration system is completely broken. a give you an example. if you are filipino and you apply for your adult child to come to the country, meaning perhaps you applied when they were a kid and then turned under 18, but then the agent out they go to a different category. it may take 22 years for your adult child to come to the united states, even if you are a legal, permanent resident. this is the problem. agricultural visas and republican distance across the country, farmers i worked with over the years who are epublican have been some of my strongest allies and tell me, we need these workers. we need skilled agricultural workers, but they only get a very small number of visas. they simply don't have the ability to bring folks to be able to do that work. most of the undocumented population has been living here
or 10, 15 years. it is simply not feasible to say we are going to deport everybody, and in fact i've asked director mulvaney from the budget office, the congressional budget office as well, what would be the effects of a richest -- of a restrictive immigration policy. it would destroy our economy, industries across the countrya in agriculture, fruit and food. all of these industries would collapse, and it would be a huge moral blow to families because we have so many mixed status families now. we have people who are friends with those folks, so we need a real solution. it is unfortunate this president and republicans have continued to demonize immigrants and lead chance where the president will say the word latino and people will do. -- will boo.
that is deeply troubling to me as a country because we all came from somewhere. the president's wife came from somewhere. we need to make sure the system functions so people can get in and it is legal and we know who year. host: our guest is a member of the judiciary subcommittee. caller: i used to be a progressive because the progressives seems to care about the environment, but they don't care about the working stiff. you are talking about the farmers in bed with the progressives because they need ore pickers. my cousins in new jersey used to pick apples. i have a next girlfriend that used to pick cotton in arkansas. americans will do the job, but the farmers don't want them to work. hey don't care about conditions. they want them to work cheap. that is why i am not a progressive anymore and i can't support the democratic party because all they care about is getting the legal alien that
makes them citizens so they will vote for democrats. host: ok, thanks. rep. jayapal: thank you so much for your call. let me just say, i actually agree with you that we need to do far more for working people across this country. i actually think of the word progressive, even know i am a proud progressive, really we hould call the things we are roposing -- and i just came to congress for my first term. i have been an activist my life, fighting for working people, ill waiting to raise the
minimum wage, making sure we have good unions that have really build our middle-class here in this country. i am fully with you, and i think these that we are proposing is progressive democrats are actually centrist ideas. they speak to the center of the country. they speak to the working person. i would say our working heroes who are actually powering our industries and economy across the country, we have not been enough for you. we need to raise the minimum wage, invest in infrastructure and jobs, and make sure that the wages are high enough that americans will do the job and create a level playing field so every person, where there -- whether you are a citizen or american-born, you're playing on the same field. when he to invest in higher education. we have $1.4 trillion of student loan debt. i believe that you and i want the same things. we want to be able to have a job that pays a decent wage, put food on the table, put a roof
over our heads, ultimately retire with dignity. that is what i am working for. host: from new york on the republican line, dan is next. caller: i am a refugee. it took me 15 years to be as a child. my father worked with the united states during world war ii to be accepted in this country. we were going to prove that we have something to offer. i know a lot of people here illegally in one way or another got themselves. but to just open the gate, like o all of these people from central america coming here, it is a question of canadians anything in there and country? can we help -- of can we help them do anything in their country? they are people who offer no skills. after a wild, we are not going o need chicken pickers anymore -- while, we're not going to need chicken pickers anymore or hicken pluckers anymore. we are going to need people with skill because automation is
changing everything. you are not saying anything real. rep. jayapal: thanks. if we had time -- believe me, i ave plenty concrete and real about how we make sure that we have a system that works so that we can determine who comes in and out. is not like we are opening the borders. nobody is suggesting that. circular flow migration in the 1980's, when we had laws about who could come in but it was much easier to come in and go out and we could keep track of people, allowed people to come in for seasonal work and then go home. the minute we started building border walls and putting all kinds of restrictions on who could come in, not updating the immigration system, that is when we started to have the problems people coming in and not leaving. i also believe we should be investing in diplomacy and development in helping other countries to achieve economic
success and not cutting the state department by 1/3, cutting development assistance by 1/3. that is not the right way to go because you are right, we do have to care about the rest of the world. host: just a few more minutes with our guests. our independent line from seattle, washington. go right ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. ello mrs. pramila. very good to talk to you. the remember me? -- do you remember the? i have been trying to reach you. host: just go ahead with your question or comment. caller: we were in a relationship together.
host: let's go to joe in new york on the democrats line. caller: hello there. i am 64-year-old, so i have been around and seen the country change to what it looks like today. i know president johnson change he laws will now -- to allow more immigrants from third world nations into the country. i am worried this country is going to look like india with a billion people, and i think it is wrong. these countries have to start helping themselves. we can't take them from these other countries that relax their countries to have more people. what will happen if we have half a billion people from india in this country? how long do you think it will ake? [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018]