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natural environment and they get suspicious and start killing each other. that is humanity. on tv.ght, to talk about federal funding for arts henry s, two guests, donahue, with h1 save the music actor/musician, erich bergen. thanks for joining us. brings you to capitol hill for funding for arts programs? h1 save the music foundation our mission is restoring music programs in public schools around the country. 21 years we've invested over $50 million of private schools to bring back over 2000 school music programs across the country. of the schools that we serve are title one schools, federal education funding, they serve our most
vulnerable children, so we're make sure that the -- every student succeeds act is funded. title one, title four, including every n arts as part of kid's well-rounded education. you what is the message would like to deliver from capitol hill? guest: i am proof this works. grew up in public schools. i grew up with music education and arts education. very lucky to have it in a public school environment and going into end up the creative field as a business career, most of my friends who came up in the same didn't. that i did, and they credit their music their arts d education growing up as really their lives, in business, any jobs they went to. a really t having strong arts education to that.
host: what do you think is attitude from legislators on capitol hill when funding? to arts guest: actually i continuing is overall pretty good. i think a lot of people want it a lf people know the research shows kids who have education do better in school and better in life. i think the trouble is always, the funds andding where do we do it when there are need y issues that funding, where does this fall in line. guest: yeah, i think that is right. we find everyone pretty much agrees that music education is a everyone's rt of well-rounded education. the challenge is making it a priority. with all the priorities ich bergen spoke about, hat is attitude from legislators when you want money specifically for these types of programs? guest: seeing positive trend in that direction in contrast to 10 10 years ago during the
recession, music programs and arts programs were being cut. people realize that this is a very powerful investment that can make, to erich bergen's point. i worked in for profit companies 15 years before i got into nonprofits. when i think about the people i hire, good listeners, people good on teams, people who solvers, tive problem those were all things that music powerful way of instilling in kids. talking say, i was with erich bergen before we came on. you know, if you're in math an 85 on the test, that is pretty good, right? you a b, or b plus f. eric goes on stage on broadway starting when? guest: june 5. guest: a plug. only gets 85% of it right, problem. major guest: if you come on june 5, i
ight only get 85% right actually. guest: if you think about if you 99 in music, you need to get us percent right or you are letting people down. rigor, about discipline, standards, which are things i hink everybody can get -- guest: when you change a child's life by putting them in orchestra or band or anything that. i didn't understand math until i sat down at piano and understood it. i learned about education, one size does not fit all. no standard of education is to work for everyone. why don't we fund another way to even more kids to get a fully well rounded education. ost: our guests with us until 9:30 to talk about federal funding. if you want to ask them phone ns do so on the line. democrats, 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. 202-748-8002.ts, a lgs about our guests, save the
music foundation, what is it? we think every child in every public school in america s the ght to have music as part of their school day. we partner with school districts, school district commits to bringing the teacher classroom and scheduling it during the school day. capital invest nment each and every school in the district so they have nstruments, the books, the stands, the equipment, we do electronic music making, hardware and software to get the programs off the ground. then we commit to stay with the kid in thatil every district has music education. this year we started 80 new music programs in 32 cities nationwide. talked about rgen his broadway career and you have "jersey boys," and "m "am president," and -- directedwas in a movie by clint eastward and now i'm
secretary," and we recreate a sound stage in brooklyn. we love it and we're having a time making the show, fourth season on sunday night starting fifth season filming soon. host: calls lined up. republican ohio, line. you're on with our guest. go ahead. caller: hi. ask, why shouldo i be paying taxes into this arts when beyomakes $52.1 roses n a year, guns and 43.3 million a year. iringsteen 42 million a year, make less than $50,000 a year springsteen see concert, i pay them and then you for the ake my taxes arts program? i agree with trump, he should thing.is host: got you. sorry, keep going, go ahead. it -- support guest: that's a great question.
it's actually a common misconception. talking, none of the money is going to beyonce. i promise. beyonce.meet not going to beyonce. almost very little, nothing to do with going into a career in the arts, not talking people to be singers and actors. or money will not go to me anything like that. this is just another form of as a whole.ation music education is a part of a math and tion like science and all those things. these are kids who benefit from are not necessarily going to become someone in the arts.rcial this is going to someone who could become a doctor, a lawyer, a waiter, anyone. guest: that is exactly right. and we do get a lotarts. this is going of support performers like h, and we're grateful for
that. not about pop stars, producing citizens and people who makeheir w in the world. h1 save the music foundation 100% privately funded, but we alone.do it we work with communities and schools and parents and the ecosystem and as erich said, we think music and said, we think music and the arts are critical part of that public school education that we're committed to supporting and also a really powerful tool successful, s more making schools successful. behind the omnibus bill, million dollars given to hat block grant program frchlt there, school consist decide to use those for art programs. guest: that is correct. state puts a plan in place based on local needs and ommunities and schools and appropriate those federal funds.
host: the money comes from the does l government, where the rest come from to fund the programs, provide instruments and the like? you deal with that on day-to-day basis. that is what save the music care of n does, take funds left over when you provide instruments and -- right. the tax funds go to in most property taxes and local school district funds the teacher in the classroom during day.school what we do is make that up front investment of the instruments, books, the stands, one-time investment. successfulit be very and sustainable way to launch these new arts programs. thet: just to continue what caller is talking about, i'm glad he asked that question there is misconception that arta training only benefit if you want to go into art as a career, like a med school for musicians. the case, it's such
an important part of well the ed education, all research shows for years now, ince save the music foundation started, that kids who are in a from an early age do bettergraduaon rates, rates, they stay in school, that's all this is. this is just another form of educati education. it is is tied to art, not a frivolous thing. the science backs all of this. host: let's hear from bill, houston, texas, independent line. caller: good morning, guys. guest: good morning. caller: you know, it's no secret that music is part of the world greeks knew that 3000 years ago. my experience is most of the funding decisions are made at least in texas. independent school districts are the ones that decide where the is spent and people that
in the school districts want to music education, they will vote on that and it will happen. know, to ask -- thinks throwing money is the answer, what about parents buying their kid an letting them practice at home. guest: yeah, we're in favor of parents having kids practice at home. about is talking about 80% of school districts nationwide have this. parepts take it for granted their school will have a chorus, the funds to rent ana instrument and take it home. the 20% of g about american schools, mostly title ne school necessary urban and rural districts where the thents, the kids don't have ability to rent an instrument. year, an't afford $100 a so we provide those instruments
o the school and to the district and then that is the incentive for the district to that local decision to invest in the teacher, figure to scheduling issue to add the school day. you're exactly right. these are local decisions. we're talking about, especially as relates to itle one funds are districts where these are our most at risk where the stricts arents don't have the funds that rent that kid an instrument. host: democrat's line. hi. caller: hi, good morning. you for discussing this, it is so refreshing to hear you music. just a comment and quick question. comment number one, i grew up in inner-city north philadelphia, testament of music education benefiting. as it consultant and attribute my success there for my music background. what i was wondering, how can
eople get involved with either reestablishing music that has been dropped in schools or starting something up? it is more than buying somebody a guitar and say play it at home and that is music it is not.ecause some things are taught in nsemble where again, have you people who aren't even experienced how to do that. people listening help you achieve your goals? uest: thanks so much for asking. go to h1 save the music foundation. of ways that er people can get involved. n general, i would just to the previous caller's point, a lot of decisions are made locally. supporting the music program at your individual school by showing up for things, buying tickets for concerts, by talking to local school board involved in tting understanding as an advocate of her your state has one these plans for the every
student succeed act to make sure and art as s music part of education, as donor, as a lot of ways you can get involved and to the earlier really our is challenge. everyone agrees that music is a everyday. ways ironic organization called save the usic, music doesn't need to be saved in america. what we need to save is that helpseducation piece that children become better students, better citizens, more successful people. comes from learning ensemble work. this is not about just buying someone a guitar and getting dvd how to play the guitar. dvd's still a thing? i don't know. right. ensemble ally is about work. it really is about, you know,
as funny as that sounds. you were talking before about hiring peointo the work that know how to work in groups and are creative and comes solvers, that from -- i've done it, you sit here with sheet music and supposed to play your part, you are also looking at 50 other people trying to create one thing. is an education, that is work.uable in any line of it really is about group stuff anything else. host: i'm assuming you had the chance to visit music programs teachers, what is message they are telling you about the state of the program, need for funding, those kind of things? guest: the kids love them and come alive. e see kids who are outcasts, get myself, still am, together with the jocks, the cool kids and it is one of the places where every
a school haskid in a place to shine. traditional school environments, we see kids being is the n about and this are oftene those kids found. host: from john in connecticut, democrat's line, you are on with guest, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you so much. "madam secretary," love c-span. guest: thank you. caller: it is really unfortunate we have to approach this with democrat, republican, independent line. absolutely nonpartisan issue. so having said that, i can't say about supporting arts education. inactually started nonprofit connecticut called alliance for arts education. to the next to move level. creating systems to
development sional that is infused, arts infused rofessional development for nonarts educators. e think that this will enhance colleagues in building, it will eliminate this arts unate calling specials, arts are not specials, arts teachers are fully certified, paid the same salary scale and they can be leaders in buildings. they infuse love of learning in hitting because they're children where they are. host: got you. thank you. appreciate it, sorry to cut you off. is there a specialized music role in a bigger school system? guest: there are certified music teachers and music teacher is a special role. challenging position. i had a music teacher tell me,
when you teach math, math is the same subject for everybody in the classroom. flute, teach trumpet, clarinet, percussion, those are things.ferent yet, we are big believer necessary professional development, big believer developing the teacher pipeline. making aazing teachers lot out of very little all around the country. what about outside the box thinking, his state is dealing ith programs, do you see that going across the united states to make up for difference? guest: it's -- we were talking in the green room. the education landscape across he united states is very diverse in terms of district schools, charter schools, neighborhood schools, school of choice. we see different approaches everywhere, everywhere we go. we're big believer necessary after-school programs, big programs, in community in teaching artists and people
things.e to erich bergen's point, to kids the most kids and the who have it during the school certified teacher. guest: kids in school longer in -- well, any kids watching will hate me for saying this. to keep kids thing in the school building for only benefitsday, parents, the community. bodyin building, a great presence, in a xhunlt, big or small, helps the community on business level. nm, e here this week with instruments,ho sell the music merchants and they see as rom a business level, well.
stores benefit, is it performing in the town, big or mall, every restaurant, every last structure around that performing arts center does well. this is really a community builder. host: from georgia, independent line. hello., from georgia? let's try another. in el centro, california, independent line. you're next up. caller: good morning. one thing that i've learned about music is that it is really math. and i ran training programs for years out here and i set up a cmt machining machining class.
music is math and the students, those that go into learning how to write the music, notes, are really going to be learning math and math is goes on to the second step, machinists are so programming.eir guest: yes. guest: there was no one worse at history of the wld than me. -- it is the way i understand anything i'm doing in and comes back to music reading scales, playing the
piano, i didn't understand life until i could see it, black and white notes. that is why i understood it. that is really what got me through not being so iano, terribly bored in school that i failed out. the reason i got through and i'm here is because i -- i had great music and art programs all my life. it got me through. i'm the out. the reason i got proof of exact you're talking about. math, though.at in host: what has legislation been like so far? guest: we really start tomorrow. judging from past years, people spoektiv supportive. might not need three lines for this call n. my experience, this really one of -- i do not know, the last nonpartisan issues on earth. have programs in west virginia, we have programs in we've granted every state or county in west virginia the legislative delegation
has been supportive of our work. uest: it is bizarre this is a partisan issue. everyone across the board likes music, likes art. what we're trying to do is get people to understand that is not just listening to ongs on itunes there is a reason why music is fundamental to a child's learning process, has to be has to be a partisan issue. the more we get people to understand it, it will not be a there is ssue because nothing partisan about music. or education. host: on that front then, take epublicans and democrats and the like. -- we've seen strong support in the bill, in the bill from oth sides of the aisle on funding for music as part of well rounded education and the
unding for title one and title four, we're appreciative and looking forward good set of meetings tomorrow. host: mobile, alabama, next from bill. caller: good morning, gentlemen. tuned in late, you maye already covered this recommendation, are you familiar with the acronym stems, science -- guest: yes. right. yaukt engineering and math. acronym, it in the becomes steam. reinforces the nteraction and the integration of sciences with the arts. thank you. guest: yeah. guest: couldn't agree more. new york, h in independent line. caller: good morning, gentlemen. how are you? morning.od you? guest: well. caller: yeah. was just listening to all of this and i think you're
absolutely correct with regard its across the line. this is total common good for whole united he states, as well as the world. address therapeutic advantages of all of this medically? medical people, but there is certainly been how music at shows alzheeimers, people have better memory skills nature.ngs of that i think it goes in line music is absolutely therapeutic. guest: yeah, i think as erich bergen said, maybe outside my expertise, but from personal experience, yeah, it positive. host: tennessee, memphis, tennessee, democrat's line. stan, hi. kwaukt hi,
kwaukt -- caller: hi, stan ship, memphis, tennessee. call it home of the blues. we don't sing the blues, e do more than singing the blues sax record, thriving records, i wasgh in the record business and had a myself.shop we are kind of, feel like this all over again. here we go again talking about and an american music having foundations to coordinate. we can do that ourselves, we're it ourselves and one thing the ery, very leery of is act that the history of the music here is that people came down. north, baggers from the lived in new york and know something about that, too, and brought in recorders and
the prisons and we know about the country, ledbetter music from prisons and opry, i know about that. host: what would you like our caller to address? think the foundation has to be and should be a local funded -- exactly right. host: thank you. guest: i can take this. i couldn't agree more. thing i want to do is come from new york city or dc new ell everybody in orleans or memphis or nashville or any places about music. first thing we do and we ust did a music convening in new orleans a couple weeks ago, 50 local artists, foundations, music venues, jazz fest, preservation hall were there and and invest in the community and then be able
i understood. teacher understand rying to tell me something to memorize it and write it down to prove i memorized it. i saw the arts, i discover today through mtv, and taught me music and ical everything. hat ishen i understood assion and initiative and creation. that's where i started. it definitely came from the barry gordy and motown. sayt: i'm from d.c., i will punk rock. really? guest: yeah, made a huge difference in my life. pictures?there guest: there are, do aggressive googling. out to ian mcguy and
discord record and the punk rock i grew up with in dc showed you could make powerful music and of course, and combine that with passion for social justice. determined the course of my life. host: one more call. california, iego, democrat's line. caller: good morning. history in second grade, the music program, you had to audition for it. i was told i was rejected had no musical aptitude, i didn't let that stop parents bought me a drum set. i self-taught in the garage on playing next to stones aph to rolling and beatles. by eighth grade, i was allowed the school.c in i was combinationa of school-funded d programs, eventually, i graduated high school with
i played nors and marine r mat re-- the corps band. the best drummers were self-taught, with school lessons or they were just strictly self-taught. of the most skilled drum set drummers. different mers are a breed. when i go to a music classroom, who the drummers are, they always have cool hair attitude.tle bit of think our point of view is every child should have access throughout their school career. and good our parents for you and the beatles and rolling stones. think there should be a lot kids fferent on-ramp for with different skills and -- saying this is , e answer to fix education
just public school education is should come from. it comes from having parents who have g kids interest in arts and come from communities who have good arts outside of the school. come from different places. what we're trying to do this sure that on a ederal level that this is addressed and being taken care of. kid's change a lot of lives and save kids lives. host: erich bergen, we heard from. henry donahue with reporter and talk
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