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ixia. at midnight, british prime minister theresa may taking questions from the house up comments, followed by canadian prime minister justin trudeau canadian same with lawmakers. ♪ announcer: this week, filmmakers joe tropea and skizz cyzyk discuss their documentary " hit & stay" about protesters of the vietnawar. brian: joe tempe and skizz cizek, what would you tell people who'd never heard about the catonsville 9 about it?
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guest: i would say that it is one of the most effective axis civil disobedience in american history. skizz: i would have to agree. you may not have heard of it, but we've all known of it. may a documentary in 2015. this is the 50th anniversary. what was the original reason for the documentary? joe: i was a history student working on my masters degree. i needed a topic to write a paper. i had heard he catonsville 9, but i decided to find out more of what it was all about. from that one class, first, it turned into a feature story that i wrote for the baltimore city paper. then it blossomed into a documentary film. brian: how did you divide your work on this? skizz: i handled more the filmmaking and joe handled more
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the contact end. i came on as a favor when he was doing the interviews for the paper. i suggested don't just take an audio recorder. take a video camera. that video footage would be valuable to a documentary filmmaker down the road. so he wrote and talked me into coming with my video camera. after a few years, i was getting more work done on his film than mine. so i partnered with him and we finished it. brian: i've got some names you are familiar with. the catonsville 9. what did they do? skizz: in brief, they formed a plan to attack the selective service system. they found a draft office that was ideal, which happened to be in catonsville, maryland.
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they formed a plan to enter that office and put drafts into wire baskets and went to the parking lot and burned them with homemade napalm. they did this is a protest of the vietnam war. the notable thing is the age of these protesters ranged from 26 years old to 46 years old. most of them were not in danger of ever being drafted. two of them were veterans. skizz: they waited around to be arrested. they know the arrest would get them in the news. it would keep them in the news,
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and keep their message there. brian: how many of those nine went to prison? joe: all of them, except one who went underground. four of them decided to go trial andd after the after sentencing rather than report for their prison sentences. mary stayed underground for nine and eventually turned herself in. i'm not sure if she actually had to serve prison time, but some of them served up to three and a half years in prison. brian: where is catonsville, maryland? skizz: it's a suburb of baltimore. just outside baltimore city? brian: what's out there? the draft board there was easily accessed.
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it was a small, quiet town. the previous action of the baltimore 4 was in the heart of the city at a big government building. this was at a knights of columbus hall that no one was paying attention to. n: this documentary was five years ago. where can people see it? guest: it is available on amazon,streaming sites, you can go to our website. brian: what does that name mean? --an: you've made hit andake your
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tuesday. brian: whose idea was it to make that title? joe: i think it was my idea. i'm not sure it is an original idea. i hearpelesehe term and it seemed like a catchy title. brian: patrick mcgrath is a well-known name. you lead off with patrick mcgrath. where he? >> we have returned to the scene of the crime with him. he is after the s ofknht columbus hall where the selective service have rented a a draft board in. brian: why did you pick you to start your film? joe: he is well spoken. i knew he would know how to be in front of a camera. he covered the story. who better to tell it than the guy that was invited in a clandestine way to cover the event? brian: let's watch a clip. [video clip] >> ran around the building.
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someone out of breath. that is where the cameraman turned on his camera. you see the shaky footage. john hogan lit the match and started the fire. when we first got there, we had no idea what we were looking at. where you spotted immediately was that there were two catholic priests there. i recognized phil baer gone immediately. he was a character in the news at the time. and i recognize -- brian: any of the catonsville 9 still alive? skizz: not many of them. george mische and margarita. who was known then as marjorie melville. brian: what does it mean that there were nine members of the catholic left? skizz: as we understood it, the
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antiwar movement was scruffy young people. here was the clergy. middle-aged. there were people who thought, well if they are against the war maybe i ought to be against it myself. reconsider it myself. antiwar movement. brian: another clip. this is the catonsville draft for clerk. [video clip] >> i was sitting at my desk and these two ladies were with me and these gentlemen came in the hall. i said, can i help you? with that, the rest of them came in quickly. all of a sudden. one man was a trash burner. he ran to my files and started dug s into this trash burner. brian: how many of these kinds of events happened across the country? joe: it is difficult to say. the ones connected to the catholic left or the action community, i charted 40 to 50 actions. the numbers get interesting.
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one selective service office could have any number of actual draft board files contained in it. 40 to 50 actions that hit well over 200 different draft boards. brian: how did these nine people come together in the first place? skizz: there was a community, the catholic left. they know in the seminary. they were connected. three of the members of the nine had traveled to guatemala to be missionaries. they were part of the same circuit, i guess you could call it. it was a community that stayed in touch and kept each other aware of what was happening. they had similar sympathies being against the war. brian: how did you two meet?
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skizz: on a sidewalk outside of a rock club in august of 1993. i was showing it to see when of -- one of the bands and joe was in one of the bands. i met joe and my partner at the same time all those years ago. we ended up playing in bands together. brian: i read somewhere that you ved in an old fural ho. joe: yes. we lived and a house known as the mansion theater. by the time we lived there, it was a decrepit, rundown house, where bohemian artist types lived. we had a lot of room to work with. the viewing room, our living room, was turned into a screening room. a spare single room was turned into a dark room. there was a waiting room for one
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of the bathrooms that was turned into a recording studio. it was a great place to be in your 20's and be creative. ian: didu yourselves members of the underground? joe: i consider myself a historian. i was a musician. i guess i was an underground musician, although i hesitate to use that term. skizz: i go back and forth on that term. i am an underground artist because most of iot exactly mainstream or funded or easily available, most of it. but i don't think in terms -- i just sort of do what i like to do and hope it finds a some acceptance. brian: where do you work now? skizz: i work for a company that publishes financial papers. joe: i work at the historical society where i curate film. brian: when we saw the lady who was the clerk at the selective
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service quarters, is she still alive? joe: she is no longer with us. but we had that wonderful archival footage of her explaining her side of the story. i have been in touch with her daughter recently, who wrote an op-ed to "the baltimore sun" about the anniversary of the catonsville 9. it was a touching letter. she disagreed with her mom politically on the vietnam war. but it was her mother and she understood her side of it. as you can see, ms. murphy was -- felt very attached to the files.
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she says "my files." she boasted that she drafted her own husband. i can't remember if it was for world war ii or the korean war. but that was one of her claims to fame. brian: how many draft cards were in that pile that they burned in catonsville? skizz: it was 378 k1 draft card files. it was a relatively low number. brian: did you meet anyone who was able to avoid the draft because their card was burned? sizz: yes, every time there's a viewing. there's no way to prove it. brian: here are nine people from your documentary. [video clip] >> phil was trying to recruit more people than nine. he felt the bigger the better.
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we want a cross-section of america. i guess he felt these should be people who are middle-class, fairly privileged, well-regarded by society. brian: what is your sense of talking to people in aro the story? skizz: i believe most of them think it was worth it. i don't see how u n gue that it did not help end the draft. the head of the selective service said publicly they felt they were under attack. clearly, you can draw a line from what they did to the draft ending in 1973. it was a relatively effective action, considering the time it took. consider is their goal.
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brian: what would you do today the same situation arose and you were draftable. skizz: tough question. there is a lot more security. you could not get away with something like this. i don't even think you could plant something like this without the authorities knowing what you were up to. brian: how many documentaries did you do before this one? skizz: this was the second in a series of three documentaries. i finished them the reverse order they were started. i finished them the reverse order theybrian: what were the s about? skizz: one is about a band
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called alice, that was made quickly, like, two years. and then "hit & stay." all three of them were being made at the same time. brian: what did you learn about whether or not this thing matters? skizz: there is a great quote in the film where she says -- you may make something he is think it did not come out to be anything but then you will meet someone years later they will say, that made me think and affected what i did when i became voting age. no, would i bes wasting my time if i go to that protest? the answer is no. every practice will influence someone's opinion. brian: what did it cost you and how did you get the money? >> we made this film relatively inexpensively in the world of documentary, under $50,000. that was with a lot of generosity from friends and
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people who wanted their story to be told. we used kickstarter to do a crowdfunding way to put most of the money together. but really, it was a kindness of people who just wanted the story told that did a lot of in-kind work. brian: we are going to run a clip of the burning. you pointed out that they used napalm. what is napalm and why was that used? joe: they used napalm because they wanted to illustrate the point that the u. government was kiroduct used by dow chemical. they got the idea from an army manual explaining how to make
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napalm in an impromptu way. you take gasoline and laundry flakes and cook them. they decided not to cook them because it sounded dangerous. so they symbolically combined these things together in someone's basement in baltimore and transferred it into the gas cans that you see in the video. that was their point. if napalm was to be used on people, it should be used on draft records. brian: where did you find this archival material? skizz: all over. the action came from mcgrath. joe: the tv station, once they got it back from the government after the trial, they were going to throw it in the dumpster, which is mt of where their archival materials went. luckily, pat decided, no, this one is coming home with me rather than into the dumpster. a lot of this was done through oral histories of people.
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i would meet one person and they would mention three names. later, when i was transcribing, i would think who is this person? then i would find out and realize that the story went further than i originally thought. brian: here is the brief video of the napalm being used to burn the draft cards. [video clip] >> napalm made from information, formula from the special warfare manual. hand in making the napalm that is used here today. >> napalm is a very old weapon. pictures of napalmed people. they were burning babies in
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vietnam. brian: in this documentary, how which partment off you were interested in doing? joe: it started out that it was only going to be a documentary of the catonsville nine. i did not know that there was a dc 9 that existed. it happened in chicago and it reached upstate new york and there was a flower conspiracy and the olfaction in providence
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e la. as i was researching the story, there was so much more story to tell. brian: was the catonsville 9 the first of these? joe: no. two of the members were repeat offenders and put themselves in double jeopardy and were tried and lucy's longer sentences because of that. brian: how many of the nine were catholic priests? catholic? joe: two of them were catholic priests. there was dan and phil berrigan. two of them were christian brothers. there was a third priest, thomas melville. three of them had been missionaries. and margarito was unknown.
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here is from your documentary, no this is not from your documentary. [video clip] >> the result of burning the files. the result is that i 'tid remain silent e thosfiles offered open season on human beings and southeast asia. i consider those files like hyson's -- hunting licenses against humans. i did not want that done in my ? -- [end video clip] brian: did he stay priest? joe: yes. he was not forced out of the order. he was a jesuit all the way. brian: that was from the "quest for peace" series from uc
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irvine. how much did his brother phil have to do with any of this? skizz: his brother phil talked him into doing it. there were only going to be eight of them. dan and phil stayed up drinking one night in early may. phil sort of convinced and that he should do it. dan realized he had to other choice but to do it. brian: he died back in 2002. ian: here he is, the priest from your documentary. [video clip] >> they forget about the destruction of human beings and they say they got violent over property. a lot of it deserves to be destroyed to illustrate how it is employed to abuse and kill and maim human beings. brian: you have any idea how well known they were in those days? you are not around when this happened. joe: it seems like they were pretty well-known in the antiwar movement. skizz: dan was a well-known poet. he won the lamont prize in 1966 or 1967, which is a prize you win for your second book.
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he was a pretty established national name, even beyond catholic circles? brian: what was the hardest part of this documentary for you? >> getting it down to a time that worked. it was hard. parts of it were so complicated, we felt like we can want to make people sit for a two hour movie. brian: do you have any idea how much video you shop for this? skizz: i used to know. joe: we shot 80 interviews. i suppose a lot of b roll. skizz: probably over a hundred hours of footage. for a feature-length documentary, that's not that much. but it seems like a lot,
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especially when you have to start editing and watch all of it. brian: what kind of the clementa -- equipment did you use. skizz: we mostly shot with a panasonic. at the time, it was a state-of-the-art camera. but while we were shooting, hd cameras were made and made these useless. we continued to use it, but by the time we finished the film, we were not making an hd film. brian: is there any hd in this as well? skizz: yes. joe: it is amazing how much technology changed in the course of seven years of making this. brian: what did you edit it on? skizz: final cut pro.
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the last thing i edited on that. brian: there are two people we are going to see, dave everhart and james mingle. joe: they are members of the baltimore 4, the two that did not go on to do the catonsville 9. they went to the courthouse in baltimore and poured blood on the draft records and then waited to be arrested. brian: where did they get the blood? joe: it was a combination of berrigan's blood and blood that they got at a market from a polish meat stand. brian: did you asked why they are blood? joe: it was a very symbolic action, very catholic, the blood of christ. they wanted to implicate the church and not just shock america, but shock the church.
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they felt the church was complicit in the war, condoning the war in vietnam. so it was a purely symbolic action. for the catonsville 9, they felt that it was too symbolic, that using blood freaked people out and cause them to miss the point. by then, they realized fire would work much better than blood. brian: here is dave everhart and james mengle. [video clip] >> we went to the clerks and told them we wanted to look at the files. we had expense draft counselors so they sent us back.
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we had mr. clean bottles with blood under our coats that were filled with blood. the clerks were very agitated and upset. >> i just sat and waited until the guards came. brian: which one is which? joe: the first one was dave everhart. the second person with a white beard is reverend james mengle. brian: how intense are they about all this to this day? skizz: they are pretty intense. some of the people did not want to talk about certain things. they are worried about there being no statute of limitations for some of the crimes. joe: they are a disciplined group. the once you get them talking, they are very passionate about it. some people never even talked to us is worried about getting in trouble even decades later. brian: when you approach the interview, what were the ground rules? joe: i approach everyone as a historian. i let them know that they should not say anything in my interview that they would not want the world to know, that i would be transcribing their interviews and making them available to people in an archive.
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most people understood that. we did have one or two people ask -- and i offered everyone to see the transcript afterwards. i wanted to make sure the things they told me were accurate. and in one case, that caused someone to realize that a large part of what they said was not accurate. and in another case, someone got cold feet about some of the things they said and asked us to consider not using the flat. footage.ing the brian: when they would not talk to you, what was there reason? and how often did it happen? joe: i think activism affects people differently over the course of time. some people seemed very traumatized by not what they had done, but what they had lived through and lived with the fear
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of being caught or being prosecuted for what they had done. so, yeah, some people were hesitant. there were plenty of the talk to. we chronicle in more than theway catonsvilleame the 9 would indicate. the catonsville 9 was pulled off by well over a dozen and a half people. in many cases, we got to speak with support activists, people who never intended to stand up and take responsibility and be
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arrested. they just wanted to play a small role and help and not have to spend years in prison. brian: who is the most memorable person you talk to? and why? skizz: there's a tie for first place between howard zinn and noam chomsky. it was a real thrilled to meet both of them. brian: what was the gist of the conversation? skizz: there is a part of the film that was cut out, and in the dvd about howard zin going to rescue some of our soldiers. luckily, we had some archival footage of howard then as well as the interview that we shot, whenever that was -- 2007? 2008? brian: for people who don't know, who are they? zin was a famous chomsky is aam
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political theorist. an expert on nearly everything. we approached them through the universities they were working for. zin was at boston, and chomsky was at m.i.t. i found their university militarists. they were both very approachable and agreeable to talk to us. they were a big part of the story. both of them came to baltimore for the trial of the catonsville 9 and testified. they were eager to talk. brian: where would you say that you got your early political views? skizz: i did not think of itt the time, but i was raised unitarian. since i did not know much about other religions, my senior year in high school, i had to write a report. everyone in the class had to take their religion and write a report on it. so i did research on the
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unitarian church and realized it was kind of a radical church. it had never really dawned on me. it was all i knew. it was around the same time that i got into punk rock. we are talking early 1980's when congress was still this threatening thing to the mainstream. so those two things combined, and a lot of the lyrics in the music i was listening to, made me rethink how i was reading the newspaper. brian: what did you do about it beside the music? skizz: t were otests writing. brian: what have you protested the most? skizz: war, antiwar. brian: is there any time you see the united states going to war for anything? are you a pacifist, a conscientious objector? skizz: i had to register for the draft and i registered as a conscientious objector.
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that's a tough question. i can't really think of anything offhand unless we were threatened in a way that was no other way. but it seems like there is always another way other than violence. brian: joe, when did you begin to form your own views about all this? joe: i was raised catholic. but my parents were what you would call reagan democrats. so i guess i had been living in rebellion of that since the 1980's. i vividly remember -- i was born in 1969. the chances of me ever being drafted were very, very, very low. i always worried that they mht bring the draft back. there was talk of it. it seemed a real possibility in my young mind. and i suppose that influenced my political views. to answer the same question, i haven't seen many examples in u.s. history where we have justifiably gone into war. i would describe myself as a pacifist. brian: when you registered for
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the draft, did you put conscientious objector on it? joe: i did not. i was not that politically 18.e or awake at i wanted to go to college and geloans, so i registered. brian: one of the men from the documentary is still alive, stephen sachs, he was an assistant u.s. attorney. who is he? skizz: he prosecuted the baltimore 4 further action, but was not a hands-on prosecutor during the trial of the catonsville 9. he is a very nice man. i met with him since we found
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him in the film. he's still -- filmed him in the film. he still stands by his beliefs. for someone who i disagree with on this particular topic, he is a wonderful human being and i'm glad to know him. brian: he is a democrat and would be a liberal? joe: you can describe in that way. he did run for office, i don't think successfully come in the 1980's. [video clip] >> we are not talking about trials here in the normal sense of the word, skill and examination and witnesses, objections that are appropriate. this was theater. this was in litigation in the normal sense. it was intended to be theater. that is why they did it. brian: how many of the catonsville 9 went to prison? skizz: all of them, except for mary moylan who successfully went underground for nine years.
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i'm not 100% sure that she ever had to serve time. i think by the time she turned herself in, they may have shown leniency. i think her health was fading at that point. brian: how many of the catonsville 9 married each other? joe: as far as i know, just tom and margie melville, which happened on their way out of guatemala, before the catonsville 9 took place. [video clip] >> [indiscernible] -- was the sole focus of my
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participation in catonsville. >> what i saw the united states do in guatemala, that was a democratic government that they overthrew. >> it was a similar situation. all they want is freedom to work their land and make a family. brian: what was the catholic church's reaction to this film? joe: they were not thrilled. they expelled, banished, i'm not sure with the proper term is. they sent dan barry ganaway for being too politically active. away for beingn too politically active. they sent him to france where he was slightly politically activated. then they sent them to latin america, which was probably a very bad idea if they wanted him to calm down. this was before the catonsville 9. he had been sent away for acting in a way that they were not thrilled with. speakin up.
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around a lot. he was stationed in new orleans with a parish and they moved him to newburgh, new york, because he had been too politically active in new orleans and too politically active in newburgh, new york. they sent him to baltimore, which in hindsight was not a good idea. but he was not excommunicated. he was stripped of his priesthood officially when he married liz mcallister. so he did marry, but liz mcallister did a lot of other political activism but was not a member of the catonsville 9. brian: what was the farthest you had to go to the one of your interviews and how did you afford to do this and work at the same time when you only spend $50,000 on this? skizz: hawaii. [laughter]
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skizz: we shot an interview in hawaii, except we did not go there. got some at either to shoot it for us. and via skype, we sat in joe's apartment in baltimore and gave direction and asked the questions. and they sent us the footage. so that is the farthest away. joe: that was the farthest away we did not have to go. we shot most of it on the east coast. we were trying to keep our jobs and we were trying to do this inexpensivel so i would read to people and say, if you have any plans to visit the east coast, new york, ec, baltimore, i would love to speak to you. and we did a number of interviews that way. the for we had to drive was vermont. brian: remind us what you do know for a living. skizz: i am a video producer for a company that produces financial newsletters. brian: how long? skizz: four years. brian: do you still should you do documentaries on the side?
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money? way to make skizz: it's a way to make money for some people, but i have not mastered that yet. i still make films on the side. in fact, the day job has allowed us to keep making our films because i have access to a video studio and a lighted gear can use for our own projects. brian: and, joe? joe: i am a curator of photographs at the maryland historical society where i do writing and digitize our materials. and they are very supportive of my filmmaking efforts. is the kind of thing where i have to have a day job and it is a good day job for that. i really have an exhibit at the historical society called "activism and art, the catonsville 9 50 years later." the exhibit uses artwork from one of the nine, tom lewis, and segments of the film, "hit & stay."
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e up foribit will b the next year. the historical society is in baltimore, a block from the washington monument. yes, we have a washington monument as well. skizz: it is in the mount vernon neighborhood she is currently in prison for a plowshares action that she did, which was an anti-new protest -- anti-nuke protest. brian: i forget which prison she is in. by plowshares?n
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guest: plowshares is a movement that sprang off in the 1980's, may be, as early as 1970's by phil berrigan and liz mcallister a cfrommunity that they started in baltimore called jonah house, which is a resistance community, still in existence today. they planned actions inspired by their previous section where they would sneak onto nuclear facilities, taken vials of blood and hammers and symbolically hammer on nuclear warheads and put blood on them and wait to be arrested. liz is still active in this activity today. [video clip] >> there were over 100 draft board actions in this country. the director of the selective service center knowledge that these actions undercut their ability to operate. ♪
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>> a combination in my mind was chicago, went into into the ghettos of southside chicago. vietnam was mainly being filed by blacks and latinos in this country while white kids would go to college. [end video clip] brian: that's a video that you shot. skizz: yes. brian: it looks like you had to cameras. skizz: yes. joe: bob good is one of the first people you see in our film. they were motivated to take part in these draft board rates because their brother had been drafted and killed in vietnam.
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brian: bob good is still alive. joe: bob good is still alive. i believe he is in the rochester area. [video clip] >> he went on to talk about the pentagon papers. he started giving a litany of what they american people had been told about the war and. . what the pentagon paper said about the war -- and what the pentagon papers said about the war about why we were there. what the american people had been told about the progress of the war and with the pentagon papers said. it keeps coming back over and over like a greek chorus. tin, oil and rubber. [end video clip] coming back to
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this. he is talking about the testimony that howard zin gave before the trial. how much of your involvement is motivated solely by your politics? skizz: i am definitely in agreement with all the politics in the film. i probably would not have done this myself joe had not invited me. so far, my other documentaries have been music documentaries. but the politics of the music is to the left as well. brian: when did you learn about the vietnam war in this? skizz: i already knew that the vietnam war was bad. i had an uncle that i never knew before he came back from vietnam. i always heard how much the war had affected him. i grew up knowing him after he came back. did not know how many vietnamese had been killed.
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i don't think i knew how many americans had been killed. i didn't realize how much life was lost for tt war. brian: there was an fbi informant in all of this. joe: it is very complicated. j edgar hoover got upset and involved that not only draft boards were being hit, but also fbi offices. hoover got very agitated and wanted to name someone as the leaders of this movement and as dangerous criminals. it was said by one prosecutor that they were as dangerous as organized crime.
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he did want to paint the berrigans. berrigans kept appearing in public and getting away, thumbing his nose at hoover. hoover and the fbi attempted to paint the berrigans as the leaders of this catholic left movement. they accused him specifically phil berrigan and other conspirators of trying to blow up condos in washington, d.c., and kidnapped henry kissinger. none of these things were 100% true. these are things people had been talking about doing, but there was an informant that got a hold of this information and had been feeding it to the fbi. it culminated in ae knowas the harris for conspiracy. conspriacy.g
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brian: this is back in 2007, not from your documentary. we just want to show him apologizing for his involvement. [video clip] >> michael, i can't respond because i did wrong to you. and i'm sorry. i can do nothing else. >> is aood enough for you? >> it is a hard question. it takes time for fractures to heal. [endideo clip] brian: did you meet bob hardy? joe: i did not meet bob hardy. bob hardy had been an informant and had information and funds from the fbi to make sure that actually down. i did not get to meet bob hardy but one of the members of the camden 28 wanted to make one of his own documentaries and had
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filmed interviews with bob hardy and with other people. he graciously allowed us to uses interview footage and our film. i believe that footage was from a film called the camden 28. clip am yourst documentary. -- from your documentary. liz mcallister was married to phil berrigan for how many years? joe: they married in probably 1969 or 1970's secretly, and until phil passed away in 2002 or 2003. brian: this is about the harrisburg conspiracy, trying to kidnap henry kissinger. in the end, there was something called the love letters back and forth between these two, phil berrigan and liz mcallister. [video clip] >> not saying that it wasn't talked about her approach, but it was no. that was it. tocourse, howard got back
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jager hoover in december. that's obvious. the letters. wrotet stupid letters i to phil about some of the things people were talking about, not they were always monitoring his mail. subtlely you try to say something, they will try to make something of it. >> when the revelation came out of what they were really about, that was a shocker. and that was across the board, especially when you are sitting back and knowing what the government knows more about their relationship than you do. brian: how surprised were you to find out the fbi was reading the mail of the prisoner? skizz: not very.
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the interview with liz was the first time we heard about the letters. joe: i knew nothing about the story and just asked her questions on this came out. it probably took me six months to reaust w talked about, toully apprte whawe had just talked about. these were not letters that she mailed to the prison. there was an informant named boyd douglas who was in prison workbill but i'll -- on release. he reached out to her and said, if you want to get messages to fill i will be glad to get them to him. unfortunately, she fell for that. he and she had a connection, she anded to keep his spirit up let him know people were still planning actions and agitating against the war. boyd douglas took the letters,
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had them transcribed, and gave copies to the fbi. brian: people can still get the caton nine documentary how? >> they can visit our website. stay.com will show you where to purchase the dvd and where you can see it online. jenneifers?is the skizz: that is a band that formed in the early 1990's. joe joined the band. around 2001, i joined the band. i guess she left around 2010 and i is still in the band. i play drums. joe: i play bass. brian: i'm not sure what clip this is. [video clip] ♪
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[end video clip] brian: what did we just see? skizz: that is a music video that i made for the band. joe: he's done a lot of animated films and videos and music videos. that was all his doing. he designed the shirts that we them to appeard
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that they were singing the song. brian: how did that take? skizz: 18 months. from the day we started to making the video to the day we finished, it was 18 months. joe: that is our new documentary that premiered in february at the big sky documentary some -- film festival. it is the history of self-censorship in the u.s. we look at the maryland board of sensors to tell the story because they were the longest lasting censor board in the country. they operated from 1916 to 1981. we look at all the reasons why films were censored and band and banned and they were not all because of sex. [video clip] >> anything that restrains or restricts or prohibits freedom of expression. that includes things like the state boards of censorship, like the one in maryland. >> i do remember the seal so vividly. >> in maryland, deciding what is and is not of scene is the job
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of an official censorship board. onmber iry outoken 70-yr-andmotr. >> constitution right. did they have these type of films that were being shown? brian: what were you tryin accomplish? skizz: obviously, we had a great star to work with in archival footage. i was trying to look at the reasons people want to ban things. it was another research journey for me. i figured that sex was a big reason the films would have been banned. i was surprised to learn that race was a reason why we banned film politics was a reason. sacrilege against religion was a reason that we banned films. and it occurred to me that it
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was an interesting story that oftentimes was comical. that's why i wanted to tell the story. brian: what are you working on now? skizz: i'm not really working on anything i just finished a documentary that to 19 years to make. it's called "ice pick to the moon." joe: i have a couple of projects that i am working on. but i am not quite ready to talk about them. so mostly techies making films is what i am trying to get out to the world. brian: our guests have been joe tropea and skizz cyzyk. thank you for coming and talking about your film about catonsville 9. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]
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