tv European Impacts of Brexit CSPAN July 13, 2018 3:24pm-4:28pm EDT
soon. he suggested there is a videotape coming and so that generates more media interest. well, let's see what he has to say? spoiler, it never comes out. it never comes out. >> right. >> and then he selects a detractor to attack? >> yes. he finds someone. some people come out saying, we think donald trump is lying. i'm not lying. other people are talking about this. i'm just looking into it. he starts -- anybody pops up, loser, crazy, hack. if he can find a target to start scapegoating and have it us versus them fight, that creates that dynamic. >> finally, he declares victory. >> yeah. like he did at the press conference at the trump hotel in d.c., everyone come in. i am going to have a major announcement. also look at my beautiful grand hotel if you want. he essentially said, he yeah, barack obama is a citizen. i cleared it up. i'm the winner. but hillary clinton started it. i finished it.
victory. >> watch "after words" sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2's "book tv." >> former british foreign secretary boris johnson, who disagrees with british prime minister theresa may on brexit, resigned earlier this week. meanwhile, the european union's chief brexit negotiator talked about how britain's exit from the e.u. would impact europe as a whole. during an event hosted by the carnegie endowment for international peace.
good morning, everyone. i'm the chief operating officer here at the carnegie endowment for international peace and we are delighted this morning to welcome michelle barnier, the eu's negotiator for brexit. when we planned this event we didn't know it would be quite so timely, but we were lucky in that regard. i think you are all very amiliar with mr. barnier's illustrious career as a european statesman, first as a politician and cabinet member in france and then with the european union starting in the -- with president borosso when he was in -- when he was president, he was given this very easy task of negotiating the brexit withdrawal in december of 2016 and has been
working very hard at that since then. so we're delighted to welcome mr. barnier this morning. he will speak for a few minutes and then we will have a brief conversation between us and then we will take questions from the audience. you all have a copy on your chairs of his powerpoint presentation and for those of you watching via the live stream, if you look on the side of the screen you will see a place to access the pdf file so you can follow along. so without further adieu, let's welcome mr. ichelle barnier. i'm going to go down here. michelle:so good morning to all of you in this room and perhaps in the other room and the people watching online.
thank you very much to you and your team at carnegie for inviting me this morning. i'm not sure this is an easy task. it is a challenging task i can ell you. to chair this negotiation in the name of the eu, the member states and with the european parliament to reach a deal. in fact, we can begin by just a personal remark. i regret this vote of the uk two years ago profoundly. but i respect it and now we will implement it. so today i'm finishing my visit in the united states where i wanted to make the european voice heard on brexit and just like in europe, ladies and
gentlemen, no one i met in the united states during this week could find any added value to he brexit. let me briefly tell you where we are in these negotiations and i'm ready in a few minutes to answer to any question on the slides you find on your chair. in the process of the negotiation, the different elements we are at stakes. the uk we leave the european union the end of march 2019, next year, in a very few onths. our goal is to ensure an orderly withdrawal withdrawal. here is the draft treaty on which we are working with the british delegations.
i have published with my team in the name of the 27 member states this draft treaty under legal form and we are working ith the british negotiators to put in green all the parts of this draft treaty where we greed, both sides. more or less today 80% of the content. so we have made good progress. we have agreed on key issues, to protect the citizen rights on both sides, 4.4 million eople leaving -- in the uk are living in the member states to keep their current rights for employment, social rights, esidents rights.
we agree on a financial settlement between the uk and eu eu, what has been decided in he beginning of the period will be paid at 28 and we greed also on the transition period of 21 months until the end of '20, during which we will preserve the economic and social status quo between s. 21 months after the leave. if we agree and if we agree on the final withdrawal and the orderly withdrawal and this reaty. that means that to get to legal certainty on everything we need to have this treaty and for his treaty to be ratified.
and this will give businesses more time to adapt and public authorities also more time to repare for the new status. there are to be frank a number of important issues remain open. the most difficult -- the most difficult is ireland where we have to find a solution to avoid the return of our border in the middle of ireland. i discussed this issue esterday with the friends of ireland caucus on capitol hill, we shared the concern on preserving the good friday agreement. we must accelerate now our work and our future relationship with the uk. the european leaders have assured the uk a broad future partnership based on four pillars. you can see in one of my slides.
ne, a free trade agreement with no tariff, two, a specific corporation in some sector of common interest such as aviation, three, police and judicial cooperation and, four, foreign policy security and defense. all these issues, once again, we want to build a close partnership with the uk in the future and for the long-term. we are now analyzing the white paper published yesterday by the uk government and we will do it in the light of the european leaders guidelines mandate and we will assess whether uk positions are orkable and realistic. a key element of this future relationship will for sure be about foreign policy, security
and defense. let me focus this short remarks on this key issue, if i may. the uk is and will remain an important player in european ecurity. the uk amounts for 20% of european defense spending. it is a nuclear power. it has a permanent seat in the u.n. security council and has a large diplomatic outreach. yet, uk leaving the eu does not put european security at isk. bilateral relations between uk and eu countries will continue. the partnership between the eu and nato will further expand. nato battalions deployed in oland, lithuania, latvia are
not affected by brexit, and brexit does not put that relationship into question. still, the nature of the eu/uk relationship in defense is bound to change. what does that mean? as a member state you can shape the european union's action in diplomacy, development or defense. the uk will no longer be able to do that because it has decided that it wants to leave the eu and to leave the council of minister, the european council. this is simply the consequences of the uk's decision to leave he european union. but, ladies and gentlemen, we share similar values with the uk. e both promote a rules-based nternational order and we will
continue to face the same global terrorism, cyber attacks, disinformation campaign and broadly the establishment of our continent. not a single european country can solve these challenges alone. this is also true for other kind of challenges such as climate change, poverty, migration or financial crisis. building on all this our partnership in defense and security should be big in scope, we should incorporate where we share the same political objectives. for example, we will continue defending together the iran nuclear deal while supporting the peace process in the middle east. it is already clear that we are largely converging on three issues with uk, foreign policy, sanctions policy and military perations. obviously cooperation after
brexit will have to be defined exactly what is at stake for the weeks in my egotiations. it indicates the more the uk will engage alongside eu to deeper our partnership is ikely to be. our close cooperation with the uk will not injure the network of relationships we have with ther partners. ladies and gentlemen, the eu investing in defense and security as a matter of priority and the 27 leaders and president on the commissions. it is our responsibility what we do not do for ourselves no ne will do for us. this is even more true than ever. though we are now running 16 missions, six of them are military operations to
stabilize our neighborhood, fight against piracy, smugglers profiting in the mediterranean, stabilization of the balkans, contribution of the fight against terrorism. we are reviewing our common tructures to be more responsive and more efficient and we are setting up a european defense fund to stop the duplication of weapon systems across europe, which cannot operate together. it is the first time, the very first time, that the eu budget will invest in military apabilities. ultimately my conviction for a long time is that for a strong european defense means a stronger nato.
just two examples, first, with the european defense fund i just mentioned the member states have good reason to invest more and better and together in defense. the debate on the european side is not only on how much we spend, but also how efficiently we spend the money. the european defense fund should boost cooperation between member states. another example of close cooperation with nato is the mobility -- military mobility. he eu proposes to invest 6.5 billion euros to facilitate the cross-border movement of military assets. to transfer assets and troops across europe will ultimately benefit the eu and nato. o the eu and nato have a strategic partnership as confirmed yesterday in brussels, in particular in the field of cyber fight against terrorism or cyber threats. so just to conclude, ladies and
gentlemen, the uk and the eu will not slow down these dynamics. it is certainly -- certainly in the interest of the eu, the uk, nato and the u.s. that we are strong partners for the long-term in security. thank you very much and now i am ready to answer any questions. thank you very much. [applause] [no audio]
criticizing the uk's approach to brexit and saying that this approach would probably kill a u.s.-u.k. trade agreement. as we speak here i think president trump and prime minister may are doing their press conference after their meeting today, but does this change the eu's calculus at all or how does this impact how the eu is looking at this next stage of negotiations? michel: elizabeth, i am charged with the e.u. negotiations for the brexit of the u.k. and i am in charge of the negotiations with the uk. eu/uk. uk/eu. elizabath: i got that.
michel:so it's not my role to comment on going declarations just for right now, there is a press conference between president trump and theresa may. i don't want to comment. this ongoing declaration. as a matter of fact, factually i can just say that the rule is clear and well known by everybody, including the uk because we have elaborated this rule with the uk for 44 years. we are working on the basis of as i just said in my speech an ambitious free trade agreement with the uk, particularly goods as we did with canada in the last few months and as far as the trade policy is concerned, it's also possible for the uk o ask to be part of a custom
union with us on goods, that means in that case that the uk will be included in our trade policy for goods. so it could be free to have any kind of free trade agreement and services with any said country. so those are the facts and the rules are well known by everybody. elizabath: the white paper was released yesterday and i know you haven't had a chance to study it in depth, but i'm sure you've read it. michel: yes, i spent part of my night. elizabath: i'm sure you did. were there any surprises in there or anything that gave you perhaps some new openings, some new ways to move forward? michel: my team in brussels is working clearly under each details of this proposal. first of all, the fact that the uk discussed about the future is welcome, it's a good thing.
on my side i have to work on the basis of a proposal to the uk a few months ago in march, a very precise proposal, very ambitious proposal, it's clearly described in one of these slides, if you look at this slide you can see what could be the architecture of the future relationship. in our view. i can tell you never in the past we have proposed such a partnership with a said country. never. never. this will be the first time, based on four pillars of cooperation, economic and trade, specific cooperation where we need to have an agreement with uk, internal security and external security and defense was the key point of my short speech at the beginning. the second pillar just for you to understand, the uk leaving the eu in a few months
echanically automatically to leave at the same time the day after 750 international agreements we have signed in the name of the eu. 750. including what we call the single sky. just an example to show you what means this second pillar. the single sky is a common organization for the european countries to organize the use of the sky, for a plane to land, a plane to take off, the conditions for the pilots, the certification and so on. so we manage all the sky together. uk is leaving, it is their decision, so we have practically -- we must have an agreement with uk just for the british airlines planes to be
authorized to land and to take off and on their side they will have to negotiate with each and every said country including he united states such an agreement for their own, but we have to have it between uk and the eu and the single sky we must have such an agreement. so that is our proposals. many toolbox that we have including new negotiations. elizabath: in looking at the white paper it does seem that the uk has moved forward in its proposals and as we all know prime minister may has gotten a lot of criticism and heat at home for what is being determined a soft brexit. you know, accepting harmonization of eu rules and
trade. you yourself have said that up until now about 80% of what needs to be agreed has been agreed, leaving the 20%, which is probably the hardest 20%, but in any negotiation it takes two to move. do you see any flexibility on the eu's part? michel: just to avoid any misunderstanding and confusion, in this long and extraordinary negotiations, they are unique and i will do everything for this brexit to be unique. there are steps. we have to put the steps in the right order. the first step is about the divorce, the separation the uk asked for. we are organizing this orderly withdrawal much better than a disorderly withdrawal through
this treaty. this is a precondition. what i said about the 80% agreed is about this treaty. the white paper published by the uk yesterday and the guidelines published by the eu leaders in march are about the future. what is at stake is clearly the finalization of this treaty from now until october, a few onths, or november, and when this treaty has been ratified x months after we have to publish a political declaration -- political declaration about the future operations. that is why this white paper is useful and why we have to check it to assess it in line of my uidelines.
so two different exercises, the agreement through a treaty is this paper and then a political declaration on the side. and obviously we will have to negotiate, but i have to negotiate on my side on the base of the guidelines, very clear guidelines of the european council. the european council is a council where the 27 leaders, head of states and government, meet every three months and they gave me a very clear mandate to negotiate with the uk and to protect the interest of the 27. that means that we have to protect what is the mainstream of the european union, the single market. and to be clear, the uk knows perfectly what this means because we have built the single markets with the uk for 44 years and i can tell you
because i have been the commissioner for the single market for five years. '20 until '2024 just after the crisis. rebuilding with the uk our architecture regulation at the same time that the u.s. built your own response to crisis through the dodd-frank act. o the uk has always had a very huge and real degree of interference on the single market. the rules are clear and the foundations are clear. e are linked to what we call the four freedoms, freedom of movement for people first, goods, services and capital. so we have to work in the framework of these four freedoms to find the best solution as possible for the duration of the uk.
elizabath: you mentioned march -- michel: to be clear, i can just repeat that it could be a strange and - there is no reason -- no justification for us to unravel what we are because the uk is leaving. o we have to work -- the uk is leaving so we have to protect what we are, to be open, but not at a detriment of the principals and the foundation of the single market. elizabath: but is this a time -- a point in time -- i mean, yes, you're right, the uk is leaving and the rest of you are staying, but does that mean that -- i mean, there are other places in europe where you're hearing concerns, complaints, about the rules and regulations of the eu. is this a point perhaps when the eu could take a look at
taking more flexible approach to its relations with countries that are not full members? be precise. michel: i'm meeting once per week in the capital, the prime minister, the national parliaments, the stakeholders, business community and trade unions. listen. and i'm a politician so i think we have to deal with the consequences of brexit but also to draw the lessons of the brexit and to listen to the people. ot to confuse what is called populism with popular sentiment. we have to listen to people and to change what needs to be changed. but i do not listen to any critic on the way the single market is working today.
the single market is the foundation, it is our common and strongest asset. why the u.s. business could come into one country, be open at the same time as the 27 member states, same rules, same certification, same standards and supervision. that is a single market. so there is no critic in the contest about what we are as a single market. it is the base for all the european business and for all the european cities and consumers to be protected the same way and to be supervised and to be certified in the same way. on top of this is common jurisdiction. when you are leaving this ecosystem of rules, standards nd norms you become a separate
country, to the point, to the legal point. but to be more precise i think that we need flexibility for some of our policies and we are already have the right tools for the flexibility. for instance, some countries are a member of the eurozone, some countries are not a member of the zone. some countries are not a member of the structured cooperation defense. so i think that being 27, no longer 28, we need flexibility. i agree with you. but the mainstream, the foundation of the eu which is single market from the very beginning, never forget what happened at the very beginning after the second world war, statemen decided to meet
themselves and just to avoid to begin again the war between us hey decided to consolidate the political will through the economy. it was the first community for steel in the 50. fter the common market through the treaty of rome. after the single market. so this is the foundation of the eu. it's difficult to compromise on this foundation. but i need for many policies because 27, 28, we need some flexibility. just to be more precise, in our treaty we have a tool for the flexibility, it's called the cooperations. hat means some countries can
go on their way, take initiative and the others are not obliged to follow. elizabath: you mentioned -- michel: sometimes it's strange. in washington and the u.s. to explain what we are. i'm sorry, but the functioning of the eu is complex because we are not a federal state. we don't want to be a federalist state. we are 28 nations, 28 people, 24 national languages, 28 national identities, different culture, different tradition and each and every of the european countries want to keep this difference. o? it's legitimate that french people want to keep that difference, the germans, too. the point is for 60 years we succeed to pool this national policy, part of our sovereignty, without merging verything.
united doesn't mean uniform. united doesn't mean uniform. that is why it's so complex to make the eu working. just to give you an example, it could be strange in the u.s. because you speak the same language, when i am in the european council meeting or the european parliament meeting to speak about brexit, all around he room, large room, we have 24 cabins -- cabins with interpreters. elizabath: with interpreters, yeah. in each cabin explaining michel: legitimately what i say in french and 23 other languages. this is complex. his is costly.
so it could be less complex, much more -- much less complex, much less costly, we can get rid of all of the cabin and speak the same language, english. i don't want to monopolize the elizabath: time but i want to ask one more question. michel: the european people doesn't want this unit from europe. that's why it's complex. elizabath: i am not sure the british people got that message. maybe if they had before we wouldn't be -- you wouldn't have a job. michel: i work lots with the british people for a long time, i have been two times commissioner, i was clearly in a very positive way with them, for example, with the financial regulation which is a very sensitive issue for them. i rebuilt the architecture of the financial regulation in europe after the crisis. 41 regulations for banks and markets, products and we succeed for 39 of the 41 regulations to get uk on board, the city on board with this
organization. it was not by chance, it was my strategy to put in place this regulation not against the city but with the city. and the uk -- one of the countries, france, wants to keep its difference, not to be merged. it is legitimate. elizabath: all right. last question for me and then we're going to go to the audience. you said that march, 2019, is the deadline. what if there isn't? michel: chosen which the brits? elizabath: chosen by the brits. 17, : later in march choose the date and she knows at that time that two years after, the legal base of the -- ty, the date of withdraw the date of brexit has been chosen by the -- elizabath: by the brits.
michel: two years of negotiation. and if everything goes well, i'm working that sense, and because we are the market. and uk for 21 months. elizabeth: what if anything doesn't go well and what kind of contingency plans are you making? it's an ambitious negotiating schedule as you rightly point out. it was determined by the brits when they triggered article 50. but what if it doesn't -- what if you can't reach agreement? michel: on both sides you have to be prepared. f you look at the white paper.
prime minister may spoke about his. we have to reach a deal. and i'm working to reach a deal respecting the rule and uk.ciples of the eu and in any case we have to be prepared to companies and businesses have to be prepared n any case for the brexit. brexit means it can't be business as usual. slide, no at my copyright, huh? [laughter] michel: you can see on one side the different corporations with
countries we have already. most integrated. remain to be member. second best would be to be a ember of the eu and economy. norway is out of the eu but part of the market, respecting the rules. uk and ast one in the free trade. but all the steps are available for you. it is their choice. and i put on the other side of
current red line of uk and going to pay and respect the freedom of movement of people, which is a key point for us. and be part of our trade policies. so the red line to close the oor. elizabeth: they go down the stairs. let's open it up to the audience. please wait for the microphone, identify yourselves and make it a question, not a statement. tart right here. itv news, i know you said you didn't want to talk about mr. trump but his advice
is we should walk away and leave the eu. michel: who is we? >> i'm british media. mr. trump's advice is that the uk should walk away and some people think that might be the best position. surely that should worry you. michel: indiscernible] uk is leaving. we respect the vote. and i'm working from last year, .ard work
and i'm working on it. ut i'm working for reasonable. >> [indiscernible] >> thank you for your remarks. -- mentioned the uk [indiscernible] >> i guess you have been commissioner for five years. my question is with regard the industry. the white paper chose a good brexit which . mprised of 80% of uk economy with regard to the continued contract and finance industry.
would you like to have your views -- indiscernible] michel: i don't want publicly to go into details but you asked leaving. the case of withdrawal and we need to check very carefully what could happen to the financial markets. the bank of england and the working group and we are working to put it in front of its ability. and i think the private sector asked to be prepared and to look
carefully at the exposure to the uk market. i don't want to commend the daily work of this group. e are carefully preparing. elizabeth: mark. >> for the purpose of future cooperation with the uk on the issue of social and judicial affairs is it important to the eu that it remain a signatory on human rights? michel: yes. elizabeth: that was an easy one. the key principle we have to ake care for freedoms, the market, autonomy and respecting the uk and respect our autonomy,
the integrity of the market. he politics. d to be part of this convention -- [indiscernible] >> irish times. i just wanted to get some more of your views on the irish backstop. you mentioned that there is more or less agreed. you didn't say the 20% but you said ireland is a problem and has not been resolved of the where do things stand now and something that has gone on this in order for a deal to be done by october? chel: following my mandate which is on the side of the
government. and 26 othersator .e must have an agreement if we wanted a treaty, we must backstop fortional ireland, if i can give you some more details. ireland is very clear. i don't want to come back to the two countries, on the same island, we have two countries and no border thanks to what we call the good friday agreement 20 years ago that established the peace. there is no border.
and more than that, there is no 40 or 42 different type of corporations. human social, environmental, health, education economic issues. i'm very od friday -- engaged in this process. since i have been the ommissioner the peace program. we have to be very careful. both sides uk and us to protect the negotiations of the good friday agreement in all its difficult men shons. but the point is the start of the island which is part of the k.
the business of the markets is where everywhere. . d all these controls and these are all the controls that each and every border everywhere. finland, uk, france, everywhere. all this control and the goods coming in. to be clear, part of this control are already implemented very fast, the goods coming from
the rest of the uk to northern ireland. and there are controls over in bell fast at the airport where the goods come in for the rest of the uk. in the market to implement some where these controls. and tried to -- tried the next few months these controls. there are technical controls, safety controls, custom checks. we see where and when in terms of control to assure that there is a market. no question to be clear, no question of a border. i want to -- we want to respect the uk and respect the order of
goods control and check of people but peace. peace. andrew hyde. what are you seeking from the united states and leaving the sun interview aside, what are the other elements here in washington, what do you see the u.s. role being in terms of toxit, what does the eu need make brexit a success from your tandpoint? solidarity, rms of
it is useful the feeling about and the goal and i spent two days in new york with the andssadors and stakeholders hree days talked about trade and the chairman of the federal , congressmen. we had a decision why we want to and an agreement with uk the chance and limits of the negotiations. one point i mentioned in my
how do you talk about brexit. we won the brexit and the brexit campaign, how do you see the situation between eu and uk? at silent. we no longer -- indiscernible] [laughter] elizabeth: i think we have time for one more question. michel: two. elizabeth: two more? you have time? ou in the middle here. >> good morning. you mentioned earlier deeper cooperation with nato. and i was wondering, there are a
couple of countries in the eu that are not members of nato, countries where right-wing pop you lift parties use the maintenance of their neutrality to great effect like the freedom party in austria. how do you square the two between deeper nato cooperation and also presenting parties or movements from using this to ecome an anti--eu? finland, sweden, we have to respect their position, neutrality, if i may say. but the reason i say, what we are doing for the stronger european policies, global
context of the political situation. but these countries are part of our european policy. don't want to be -- to be part, but they are part and sometimes new ctive partner of our relationship and not just the difference. 24 countries. said for a long for that what we are doing he policy, capability, pooling our research, pooling our
. pability investments lizabeth: last question. >> thank you very much. i appreciated your comments which leads me to ask about -- [indiscernible] >> reported in the media there were three meetings up to four hours during the first half of this year. it would be interesting to hear your comments on what you would like to say on these meetings. ichel:
indiscernible] , european minister in uk and france who i know quite well. have always been have cordial relations, but i don't want to commit -- the responsibility which is meant to appoint the british negotiator. if i tell you, the british negotiator are competent and ery competent and very respectful person. last question. >> welcome to washington.
i'm from the globe post. do you think the eu would consider partnering with the u.s. on a european defense fund? there is an ongoing discussion in the eu. yes, my offer exists but especting it, we have prepared een prepared for many of the leadership -- [indiscernible] ichel: but in any case respect
it. elizabeth: please join me in thanking our guest for a wonderful session [applause] elizabeth: it's been very interesting and i think you have a lot of work ahead of you. i hope you will have a little savor an eu y to victory. thank you so much. [applause] . [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org
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