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relations. congressional budget office director douglas holtz-eakin and ohio state university professor explains political expect -- conspiracy theories. ♪ host: people connected to the controversial steele dossier will supposedly expend subpoenas to officials and --. ifo, the hill shows democrats take the house, only 51% of democrats believe nancy pelosi should be house speaker.
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in part to protect communication satellites from attacks on the ground. supporters say defense in space of the assets, if need -- is needed, but some critics say it is not a good use of physical or financial resources. we will learn more as we get your thought on the sixth branch of the armed forces and if it is needed. if you think as and want to tell us why, (202) 748-8000. if you say no and want to tell us why, (202) 748-8001. and those of you in the armed forces, active and retired military, if you want to give thoughts on this, (202) 748-8002 . or can tweet us on @cspanwj post on our facebook page at that event at the pentagon was yesterday, featuring vice president mike pence. you can see that on here is the portion yesterday of
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the vice president talking about their desire to create a space force. [video clip] >> the president made it clear that our ultimate objective is to create a new branch of our military that is separate from an equal to five other ranches -- branches. today, the department of defense will release a report outlining the first stages of our administrations plan to implement the president's guidance and turn his vision into a reality. host: to tell us more and stauffer more details about this ed,ce force being creat our guest joins us on the phone. good morning. guest: good morning. host: can you walk us through the desire of the administration to create this space force and why they think it is needed? guest: well, one of the reasons they think it is needed is -- as vice president pence talked about yesterday, there is a rising threat, particularly from russia and china, who are
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developing anti-satellite vehicles,hypersonic and other types of technology that could be used in space to destabilize u.s. satellites. another reason that proponents for this space force have argued for it is right now, most of the resides space function within the air force, and there has been a lot of talk over the past couple of years about whether the air force is really putting enough emphasis on space, funding towards space, and whether this is the right place for space to reside going forward. host: if this force were being created, what would be the day-to-day activities, especially given the satellites you talked about? kind oft is actually funny. yesterday, when the vice president made his announcement, he talked about a lot of the things that offense apartment wants to do -- the defense
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department wants to do to lay the groundwork for the space force to be born, but what exactly that service will do and the space force will look like, what the day-to-day activities will be, that has not been clearly delineated. after the vice president gave his speech, reporters sat down for a roundtable with the deputy secretary of defense, packed with shanahan -- patrick shanahan, and he'd knowledge they need to continue to work on this. there needs to be a legislative proposal to congress about how much of the military's existing space operations can be reincorporated into the space force, and what stays with the services and what is ported into this new service? i think we will see more on that to come. host: i know that details are slim at this point, but when it comes to at least cost, will the
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very -- will there be additional spending in the creation of this service, should it take off? guest: yeah. it is definitely safe to say there will be some cost involved in setting the service up. again, mr. shanahan yesterday said they are still working on exactly how much it will cost, but it will probably the billions, it is safe to say. to thehen it comes reaction to the announcement yesterday, we saw the announcement being made as the -- at the department of defense. what was the response on capitol hill? guest: from capitol hill, you saw a lot of varied reaction. from democrats who are not really on the armed services committee, there was a lot of with everything going on domestically, all the problems that we have, why do we need to take money and develop a xth the service for -- si service for space?
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bipartisans a lot of support, especially in the house, for creating a space force. this is a proposal that kind of got its start on the house armed services committee with representative mike rogers and cooper, ative jim republican and democrat who spearheaded this and tried to push it forward over the past couple of years. , who valerie insinna reports on air warfare matters, talking about this announcement yesterday, the desire of the administration for a space force. sinna, if this comes into the place, when will we see it? guest: vice president pence said he would like to see congress force, becausew that is what needs to happen in order to develop a new service. congress needs to amend the title x of the u.s. code to actually include a space force. he would like to see that happen
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in fiscal year 2020. dod over the next couple of months, it will have to be hard at work to submit a budget sometimefor next year, in the february-march timeframe that includes how much this is going to cost, what do they want , so capitol like hill lawmakers there can run with it and decide whether it is something that the nation should do. host: her story on this topic on ocasio-cortez -- valerie insinna joining us on the phone this morning. thank you. steps, one, create a u.s. space command as a new unified combatant command. they would be led by a four-star general and establish a space tactics, doctrine, techniques, and procedures. they would build a in elite group of space officers called the space operations force, which would be comprised of all the services and grow into their
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own cohesive community. space to develop the bellovin agency, a new joint procurement arm for project -- space development agency, new joint procurement arm for space products. and they would also name a civilian to the post of assistant secretary of defense for space. this official be charged with making the space for say reality and would report to the secretary -- space force a reality and report to the secretary of defense. pence talking about this desire to fix this branch of the military devoted to space and satellites in space. you can tell us if you think a thing like this is needed or not. if you say yes, (202) 748-8000. if you say no, (202) 748-8001. if you are an active or re tired military person, you can give your thoughts as well. (202) 748-8002.
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our versicolor from utah says no. go ahead. utah saysaller from no. go ahead. caller: i say no, because why create another special force? we have all of our military, the air force, and in my opinion, lenin, ands hitler, mussolini all combined. host: so you say it is not needed for a military branch, but what about concerns about satellites, can you say nation -- communication satellites, and the like. is that a concern? caller: it is a concern, but don't we already have a handle on that? if there are problems, we should fix it, not create a new thing. what about the wall? host: let's go to melvin in asheville, north carolina. good morning. go ahead.
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caller: yes sir. i don't believe that they should be going into space the way they -- going in the way they are going in. if they were going in with a positive attitude about space, that would be fine, but this is all about defense. the united states wants to be on top of everybody else. that is the purpose of the space program. host: when you say a positive attitude towards space versus the administration's take, what do you mean? caller: to find things that are positive that we can use here on earth, if there are things that space will provide. it would allow us to operate on a positive level, that would be fine, but the whole thing is about the military using space to be in charge of the whole planet earth. that is what this is all about to me. host: suzanne from port st. lucie, florida. good morning. caller: good morning.
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idea i the stupidest have ever heard. this sounds like a hollywood movie. there is absolutely no reason, first of all, to have a "space force." that is ridiculous. host: you are calling in on the line for those who support such a thing. i imagine you called on the wrong line. caller: i must have missiles, but i am sorry. host: so why not? misdialed, so-- i'm sorry. host: so why not? caller: no one owns space. there is a resolution that every country has signed, where space .s not owned by anyone this is a global thing. i'm sorry, but the money they want to put towards this is
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ridiculous. .t could be used to help people we have so many homeless people in this country, so many people without homes, going without food. host: ok, the space force topic of the opinion pages of the usa today this morning. this is the argument they make. incapacitating any of the nearly 90 million u.s. ella terry orbiters blind american troops maneuvering in combat on the ground. demonstrated in 2007 they could hit a satellite, one of their own with a ground fired missile. the russians are also developing ways to interfere with orbiting platforms. for now, though cyber attacks amongst the united states are more urgent threats than the militarization of the final frontier and an entirely new service branch seems unnecessary. in the past few years, the , as secretaryus james mattis noted last year in opposing the idea, has been to
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better integrate the existing services, reduce duplication. the vice president called for this kind of command first day as an interim step well congress begins deliberating whether to create the new branch. -- thursday as an interim step while congress begins deliberating whether to create the new branch. [video clip] >> it will be clear that the space force will not be built from scratch, because the men and women who protect america's space programs today are already the best in the world. since the dawn of the space age, america has remained the best in base. -- space. [applause] over the past 60 years, the united states has assembled a large and assisted constellation
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of military and intelligence that life in the world. the power to leverage america and space here on north and give our war fighters the intelligence -- here on earth and give our war fighters the intelligence they need in the community the intelligence they a strategictain vantage wherever our war fighters are operating. across this department and our intelligence he, there are tens of thousands of military s, and othersvilian supporting our space systems. the eyes and ears of america's war fighters around the globe. host: to the point of the military people following this topic, if you are an active or retired military person, you can give this a call (202) 748-8002. christine is our next caller. caller: i'm concerned about
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duplication of efforts here, and i do feel like we need to put our money in the infrastructure and the cyber security that was mentioned earlier. thank you so much. in florida,emo orlando, florida. go ahead. caller: good morning. don't we have a space command? if we have a space command, why do we need a space force? that money is going to something that is totally absurd. why don't we work on the infrastructure and helping out the disabled veterans? the homeless veterans in d.c. that do not have a place to stay with no food. you are going to come up with something called a space force? that is so crazy. we had the best soldiers and people in space command, so we have the best people in space command -- why do you need a space force? that is redundant. host: one of the stories that
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spun off from this announcement yesterday was one about the president's political campaign, asking his supporters to vote on various logos for the space force. six of them demonstrated. if you go to the time website, it will explain a little bit about behind the donald j. trump for president 2020 campaign. it says the president is already campaigning on the space force logos, hours after the vice president outlined the proposal. the trump campaign sent out a mass email asking supporters to vote for a logo for this a sports. the emailed -- for the space force. president trump once a space force -- a groundbreaking endeavor for the future of america and the final frontier, said the email. as a way to celebrate president trump's huge announcement, our campaign will be selling a of gear. but first we have to make a final decision on the design we will use, and he wants you to have a say.
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our next caller, hello. with our agree previous two colors. we already have established forces that are well qualified. we have a's pilots in every branch. wellso have nasa, who is qualified. if they want to get who enter the military a choice, if they would like to go into this specialty, that is fine, but will spread our already diverse forces even further, which is more expensive if you are going to spread everything out even more. .t makes absolutely no sense i was x military. there was plenty specialties that there were plenty of specialties in the services where they can create something .nd take nasa's expertise i heard trump a week ago or so, he was interviewing and his comment was, we are having fun.
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i think mr. trump is having a good time spending our money. host: let's go to bobby in stockbridge, georgia, retired military. caller: yes, i think we should definitely have a space force. i think reagan, in his visions of building a space station up there, i think we needed it at the time and i think his long-range vision would be like trump's, vide space force to protect our satellites and means of community -- we need a space force to protect our satellites and a means of communication, and know what is going on in advance of the countries that surrounds us. host: since you are retired military, what about the idea of keeping it within the air force or an already existing branch of the military? caller: because i think the air force serves its purpose. i spent time in both the air force and the united states army, and i think the air force
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is different than what space force is. their mission is to protect this country, that is true, but so would space force. they would be able to do it on a more elite basis. so let's give them a chance to plan and see how much this is all going to cost. i think you will find a way to do it, because just like we will eventually build a wall between mexico and ourselves. calling on our line for retired military. she was in the air force and army. (202) 748-8002 if you are also active or retired military and you want to give comment. if you think such a space force is needed, (202) 748-8000. if you say no, (202) 748-8001. freddie is next in pennsylvania, who says yes. caller: thank you for taking my call. i think it is a really good idea, because i think everyone is getting polarized with this idea of wars.
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there is a lot of space out there, and there are asteroids out there that might in the future have to be done with. the earth has been hit by asteroids and the space force could be a much more broad range thing. the whole idea of the program could reinvigorate some of our youth into getting into this benefits as far as good jobs for the future. there are a lot of positive things. and people have to run -- thember one thing -- we are youngest country in the world compared to some of these 5000-year-old civilization. a lot of them do not like us because we are the new kid on the block, and we have done pretty good in spite of all the problems that have been put upon us. country, andderful we need to come together and realize we are americans, this is our country, and we have to be positive and do things -- you know, not reactionary, but have a nice debate about everything. host: freddie.
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on twitter, rebecca says i am not completely against the idea but she addsrce, never underestimate the propensity of this administration to really screw up things. from the president himself, in announcement, on his twitter feed "space force all the way." another, the vice president just announced a new military branch of the space force. is willing to tell the president is a dumb idea. all the space force won't happen, it is dangerous to have a leader who cannot be talked out of crazy ideas. there are some other expressions, saying it expects that the president and vice president's greatest ally in congress for a space force is representative mike rogers, republican of alabama, to lead the way. he has said creating a new branch is necessary for u.s.
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national security, especially because other countries are catching up to america's power in space. russia and china have become near peers, he told npr in 2017. surpassing what we are proposing would change that. he sent out a tweet, saying we are thrilled about the news today. we in the house have been warning for years about the threats to our space assets and the unacceptably slow pace to develop more capable space system. the report is a step in a multi-your process that will help ensure a safer, stronger america. aaron is next in chicago. caller: thank you for taking my call. i think this reeks of trump's desire to get out of entanglements, because one thing that has been brought up yet is space treaty, which prevents any weapons of mass destruction from being out in orbit and any military body from taking over a celestial body.
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when people talk about this deed for the space force, they do not realize that number one, there is a treaty, number two, we already have the air force, which does that purpose in conjunction with nasa. nasa does the technology, the studying, and the air force space command is the military arm that is responsible for protecting lower orbit and that. like i'm surprised no one has brought up that treaty. i'm not surprised you would want to pull out of that, like tpp. he probably wants to pull out of nato, all signs show cc them as foes. -- shows he sees them as foes. way ofs just another trying to pull out of international organizations and agreements that we already belong to. why, i have no idea. in chicago, illinois. he mentioned the administrator of nasa. what theabout
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structure of a space force could look like in washington, d.c. last month. you can see that full event on, but here is nasa's administrator talking about the space force and how, at least when it is arranged and organized, how it could look. [video clip] to meet -- >> to me, you are talking about a force that has someone on the joint chiefs of staff, its own service secretary -- that is not guaranteed. ultimately might develop here -- that is what it indicates to me. think about what it is. the space force already exists inside the air force. so you have the space -- the thing is, all military service does, organize, train, and equip . that is all military services do. you have army, navy, and then you have the combatants that go
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and fight the war, and they are all watch wrote of the branches. -- four of the branches. so this is organizing, training, and equipping a cadre of professionals that can fight a war. it does not mean the space force will go fight a war, but it will be a cadre of professionals that are trained and equipped to do that. host: by the way, the nasa administrator will be our guest on our newsmakers program, and about thisikely talk latest announcement. but other things related to nasa -- if you want to see that interview, you can see it tonight and also on sunday at 10:00 in the morning. chuck in west virginia, good morning. morning, pedro. this is something i am absolutely furious about. i am 59 years old. most of my life i have been hugely supportive of space declaration and the peaceful uses of space, and i believe are a strongly that the future of our species lies and eventually
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expanding our presence off world. but you want to put an end to all of that? go ahead and militarized space. there is one thing i want people to look up. go to google and look up kessler syndrome. what this refers to is the threat of debris in earth's orbit and what it poses to communication satellites and any other satellite that we use for gps, instantaneous global communication. you start waging war in space, you start militarizing's base -- militarizing space, you will end up with more and more debris in earth's orbit. any tiny particle of that debris that can hit a communications satellite is going to put that communications satellite out of commission. the vicenow from president's announcement, part of the desire for the creation of this forces to protect those satellites you talked about.
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do you think that is being done well by the current armed forces, including the air force? caller: i think so. i do not know how you could better protect them. ultimately, if we are talking about putting weapons in earth's orbit and protecting our satellites by shooting at other ellites, all you will be talking about is more and more debris in earth's orbit, and that poses a threat to the entire global communications infrastructure. host: when it comes to u.s. satellites, about 800 of those are in orbit commercially, 476 our military, 159 are related to the government. those are some of the concerns about protecting these by the
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space force. a viewer says on twitter, i bet if the space force was the president's idea or president obama's idea, you democrat would be -- democrats would be all for it. and another, i that high school -- i that high school students could not even identify and place the planets in our solar system. spend the money in education. host: dorothy, hello. caller: i think these people need to stop and realize the other countries are ahead of us, and we have to keep up for our moon's sake or we would not be here. we have given up a lot of to other countries that should not have been given. we need to recognize the united states and work for the united states. i think they will pull our heads out of the sand and sweet up on some of the things that are happening past history. learn from that. some of the callers -- i am so agitated at the way they think. they are not thinking, or they just want to think.
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to think.ant we don't need more help for the hungry and the homeless here, we need something for them to work so they can get their act together. they do not want more freebies handed to them. infrastructure will be taken care of, but we have to watch out for the rest of the world too. we are not looking for trouble, but we have to be prepared for it. host: one of the things highlighted in the president's announcement, an early desire in the previous months about-face force is -- about the space force is space policy directive three. this says given the significance of space activities, the united states needs continued unfettered access and the freedom to operate in space a advance thest to security, economic prosperity, and scientific knowledge of the nation. let's go to harry in georgia. good morning. caller: good morning. i just want to add to what the
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previous caller had said. already so much trash in low earth orbit that the air force and nasa are up to their eyeballs trying to track it. and understand, there was a space shuttle mission where a aip of paint actually damaged windshield of the space shuttle. that chip of paint traveling at 18,000 miles per hour. if you start blowing up somebody else's satellites, you are going a daisywhat you call chain reaction, where everything is going to start bouncing off itself. even if the higher orbits are still safe, you will not be able to get through low earth orbit to get there.
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in other words, the only thing -- i hope the air force's revolving -- is developing robotic ways inside its satellites to be able to shift them and protect them if they sense an attack coming. host: let's go to john, retired military, from michigan. caller: hello. i would just like to say, we need it. if i can mention the titles of a few books that might depoliticize the comments for a minute. if you go towards the future of humanity or another book on the industries of the future, we talk about the events meant of the race -- advancement of the race. even books like "army of none," "imagineers of the war." there are some things we do not have any control over, and we are being held hostage by the
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threat of others and our need to response to it. at the same time, industries can scale to an almost unlimited growth potential as we move up and out. thatld just like to say for the entire race, for the entire human race, there is no greater challenge and no greater reward. thank you for the call. retiredhn on our military line. we have spent the first half hour talking about the administration's desire for the development of a space force. you can give your thoughts, and we will also role in some other news in the next half hour going , din politics and washington c. if you think his base force is needed, (202) 748-8000. if you say no, (202) 748-8001. and if you are active or retired military, (202) 748-8002. as you can imagine, the
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announcement of this poking some humor from late-night talk shows. here is late-night host jimmy kimmel with his take on the space force. [video clip] >> there is no word on when the spaceport might get up and running. the recruitment process has already begun. >> we are the strong, the brave, the sixth. >> we are the space force. >> the space force. >> the united states space force . >> we are not entirely sure what we do. >> but whatever it is, it is totally badass. >> i hope i get a lifesaver. >> that would be lit. are we fighting aliens? >> i have no clue. shut up until we get the spaceship. >> your country is calling on you to join the space force -- it's donald trump's idea. ♪ host: jan on twitter says the question should be, do you want
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your tax dollars spent on this folly? r.g. is also saying the u.s. constitution has a specific raise andthat has us support armies and navies in the defense of our country. from maryland, bobby said yes. go ahead. morning.ood absolutely, and it should be part of the defense department. i do not know if most people listening understand, nsa is the defense department, and they should work closely with nasa. nasa monitors every satellite in the sky, all 800 are monitored by nasa. the data comes to greenbelt, maryland, and goes out to oil companies, universities throughout the united states. --o think people understand i do not think people understand that. i went through five years working with the shuttle program.
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think of your gps. whenike to use your gps you get in your car. your cell phones, your weather -- did you get your weather today? that is all done by satellites. monitoring north korea and what iran is doing with their nuclear facility, that is satellites, people. any of you people who are saying no, you have no clue what you are talking about. i am sorry, but you need to educate yourself on what is happening. host: let's you with erica in compton, california. , america.od morning this is the most ridiculous idea i could ever think of, and i have served into armed forces, the army and the navy. when you talk about space, you are talking about space weather. the sun is that big ball out there, it is one of the most dangerous things we have. some storms, it is constantly throwing radiation at us, and the only thing that
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protects us is a thing called an atmosphere. at any moment in time, that son can let -- sun can let off and not everything we have on earth out. so instead of spending all that money on a force out of space, we need to protect our selfie are on earth. not the united states, but all countries. christians, christ cannot return until all these nuclear weapons disappear. int: ok, that is eric compton, california. in other news, the columbus dispatch, of story looking -- a story looking at representative jim jordan and claims made against him. a former ohio state roessler clarifies he does not know if jordan will of abuse. one of the wrestlers who accused about about knowing accusations now says he has no direct knowledge if jordan knew
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about any abuse. the former wrestling coach at osu, in a statement issued to the conservative public relations firm hired by jordan's campaign to response to the allegation that he never said jordan knew about the abuse more than two decades ago. "at no time did i ever say or have any direct knowledge that jim jordan knew that dr. richard had inappropriate behavior. i have known him for more than 30 years and know him to be of impeccable character." contrasting a report in the wall street journal in july, saying there is no way, unless he has dementia or something, that he has no recollection of what is .oing on at ohio state i have respect for this man and love this man, but he knew as far as i'm concerned. that in the columbus dispatch this morning. from fairfax, virginia, hello. caller: hi, did you guys change the subject? host: no, we were just rolling
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in some other stories, but we are still talking about whether you think a space force is needed. caller: ok, i think i oppose it. i don't understand why people want to support it. military is 14 times the size of russia, we are 10 times the size of russia. properoes not have a navy, they do not even have an aircraft carrier. we want to expand the military .o we can spend more money and we are still in the war, by the way, in afghanistan, and we are kind of in a war in iraq and syria. we are spending a lot of money over there. that is what i think. paul from alexandria, virginia, active military. good morning. caller: good morning. active-dutyent military and have been in the army for over 18 years, and i will tell you what we need is not a space force, but we need to update our equipment, we have
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not had new tanks since the late 1980's. we have equipment that has been in the service for longer than i have been alive and it is starting to show wear and tear after almost 20 years in the desert and conflict. that is all i have to stay. before you go, why not a space force particularly from your perspective? caller: right now, every single command, every single service has an element for space. the army has space integrators, the air force has space command, there is no need for an additional infrastructure, because if you start adding in another secretary, that's another hundred people that have , therk in the area pentagon. you are building an infrastructure that is not needed yet. eventually it might be needed, but given just majestically speaking -- largest italy ypeaking -- logisticall
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speaking, you have a military that you're going to pull resources from to build something that is not fully a threat yet. and someone did speak about the exponential problem when defending satellites by destroying other satellites, you will start to see our communication issues go exponentially off. imagine everybody nowadays that does not know how to read a map, and all of a sudden there gps goes out. it is a skill a lot of people do not have any more that you will see be created by the exponential problems of destroying satellites, and you end up destroying all of them. host: paul in alexandria, virginia, part of the military. we have a special line for you, (202) 748-8002. looking at other stories, this .ca, alating to the steele look at the activities in russia. olivia bieber's writing it is judiciary chairman that is preparing subpoenas for those connected to the dossier,
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according to sources, saying the chairman is preparing subpoenas for the justice department officials resort, his wife, nelly, and fusion gps co-founder glen simpson. the committee will also go after other current and former fbi and geo j officials, including jim bakker, jonathan moffat, and george toscas. a reporter told the hill that chairman goodlatte had been seeking testimony from these officials, and they plan to seek those interviews. if you go to the website at the hill,, you can see that there. rick in west virginia, good morning. good morning. i totally support president trump's policy. countries, china, russia, are developing very powerful anti-satellite systems, and we need something that will raise the status of the military in space. that is what his policy will do.
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it will defend our satellites. also, through president trump we are developing through commercial companies the ability to mitigate debris that might be formed by any type of anti-satellite system. that is also very important. also, president trump's policy to send astronauts back to the moon and mars is extremely important. he is working with commercial companies. ordered days ago, nasa $44 million in contracts with commercial companies for manned and unmanned lunar exploration. so all in all, he has done very well. he has elevated space exploration to a very high level, both in the civilian and the commercial and military aspects. also, one final thing, in the 1960's, the united it had several programs that would have been very important or canceled, unfortunately, by president nixon. one was called the manned
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orbiting laboratory program, which was for a military observation, manned base in order it -- orbit. we had the dinosaur x 20 wing vehicle, and plans to build bases on the moon and mars. they were all caps old and now, thank god, we have a president that realizes the importance of space and bringing back all the programs canceled in the 1960's, and using both international connections to our allies, including russia, by the way, to build the lunar deep space gateway and to continue a very aggressive program for manned exploration of the moon and mars. host: that's rick in west virginia. way, the nasa administrator, the guest on our newsmakers program, you can see that program tonight at 10:00 this evening. those topics that the previous caller had mentioned will
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probably be up for discussion, including the space force that was announced yesterday. also on 10:00 is sunday, 10:00 in the morning. you can go to our website at for more information. eddie in west virginia, you're next. caller: [inaudible] i think it should be completely eliminated. am a religious man, and i believe in the got up above. of above. he said in the book that he will not destroy the earth again, man will destroy itself, and that is the steps we are taking. but how does that specifically relate to this idea from the administration and the idea of texting satellites -- protecting satellites and the like? caller: we have stuck to take care of that already. a newure this is not
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thing, this is a way to get more money to waste. that is all it is. to they want is approval just get stuff that is not needed, and that is not needed. host: eddie in west virginia. some other stories to show you, this is the washington times, the headline, judge approving the settlement from the irs to departing troops, saying the irs agreed to pay $3.5 million to groups that were wronged by the intrusive inspections and insists it made changes so that political targeting cannot of your -- occur in the future. more changes are being sought in -- an additional whether the former irs senior executive lois lerner will be allowed to forever she'll her deposition explaining her behavior and the five years litigation around the targeting itself. it shows when a government agency decides to target citizens aced on their
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viewpoints, -- based on their viewpoints, the price will be paid. $3.5 million closely approximates the finds the irs would had to have paid in damages for each inclusive -- intrusive scrutiny into tea party groups. the money will be split, with half going to the lawyers who argued the case and the other half to more than 100 tea party groups, who will each get a cut of about $17,000 each. from georgia, jerry is next. good morning. caller: good morning. no, i do not think this is needed. i think it is ridiculous. my theory is that putin in russia, before an oligarch can do business in russia, putin gets 50% of it, of the prophet. i think this is a grand scheme by trump to divert tax money, thingrump would control any
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that goes out to this, and they will beginning kickbacks. it is nothing but a grand scheme to divert money into the trump empire. that is my belief. host: horatio from florida. go ahead. caller: good morning, pedro. pedro, this administration is going bananas. i agree with the last two callers. this is definitely not needed. this is just another scheme to waste a whole bunch of money. you think it is not needed? caller: it is not needed because these are all old announcement. if the chinese are going to overtake us, it will have to be from on the ground. we need more ground forces, if anything. that is all i have to say, thank you. host: a look at sanctions imposed on russia, the subject of a story out of moscow in the washington post this morning about the effect that u.s.
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sanctions have had on that country. according to the story, the sanctions were enacted so far this year and the threat have been -- of more have already inflicted pain on russia's middle class. it was in early april before the first tough round of u.s. sanctions were announced. the ruble stood at roughly 58 to the dollar. after its latest dive thursday, the ruble has fallen to roughly 66 to the dollar. the higher price of oil, however, has given russia's government a large financial cushion to maintain public services and assist business magnate started by u.s. sanctions. and unlike the coordinated transatlantic sanctions enacted in response to moscow's annexation of ukraine's crimea region in 2014, washington's european allies -- who together trade far more thrushes and the united states does -- are not following suit with new sanctions of their own. matt is next on this idea for
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the creation of a space force. good morning, go ahead. caller: how are you doing? host: fine, thank you, go ahead. absurd.i think it is i think it is time that the republicans and military both stop believing there is a military santa claus. it is time we stopped looking at things as though it is ok to keep pouring money into the military. they somehow managed to miss place what is it -- -- it --ce about, what is keep givingbut we them money. as far as the space military is concerned, i think it is ridiculous. it teams like ever since reagan, every time the republicans come in they try to do that and waste more of other money on the military. host: other than that, what is wrong with the approach that the
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military wants to take? -- the administration wants to take? caller: this is the money they could not afford to do things domestically. i do not know where they figure this money is coming from, maybe the corporations ought to make a donation. host: but when you say it is not necessary, what are you basing that on? gone. again, we have 10 minutes left if you want to call in and give your thoughts on this space by theas was announced vice president yesterday. if you want to see that whole presentation, go to our website at you can find the announcement yesterday there, and we have also done some segments on this and some other it'announcement -- other announcements from the president about the space force as well. (202) 748-8000 if you think this space force is needed. if you say no, (202) 748-8001. we have also heard several
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members of the military, active and retired, talking about this and giving their thoughts. (202) 748-8002 views on can post your twitter and facebook as well. stewart in virginia, you are on. go ahead. caller: good morning. host: go ahead, you are on. caller: yes sir. i do not believe we should have this. i will draw a parallel, if i could. say you own four homes, the equivalent of four branches of service, and they are all in bad need of repair, which our military is. the equipment is wearing out. what do you think the most prudent thing to do would be? make necessary repairs to the four homes you own or buy another home? i think the answer is obvious. host: how do you apply that answer specifically to this announcement? caller: i think our military branches right now, from the
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gentleman up in northern virginia, they are desperate. they have quit and that is wearing out. they are having to borrow parts -- equipment that is wearing out. they are having to borrow parts complained and they are having a hard time keeping them in the air. that is obvious. and theyther planes are having a hard time keeping them in the air. that is obvious host:. host: -- obvious. host: here is another response, from sam. i thought we did not have enough money for veterans, but they want to create a whole new branch of veterans they will not help. michael says i am glad we will be protecting the wireless connections that gps, maps, mobile phone calls -- yes, that is what it is all about. and that is an all caps. if you want to make your point on facebook, it is jersey, joet, new says yes. you are up. morning.ood
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i can't believe the answers i'm hearing from everybody. this is not done for today, this is not done for tomorrow, this is done for the future. china has plans to mine on mars and mine the moon for things. these are things that will happen in the future. do you remember when the gulf war started? everyone was amazed we -- with we had the first -- when we had the first self fighters -- stealth fighters. these are not done for now, there are a lot of things that will happen in the future and a lot of countries are planning for war in space and we are not. we will need space marines, and just like the wall is not to stop immigrants, it is for 10 years from now would into a civil war and it will be coming to us.
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that wall will be trying to protect us. it atwe will leave that. willie in tennessee, who says he worked on the apollo 13 mission. what part of the program did you work on? caller: i served in the navy, and i worked on the flat deck of the uss princeton, and i worked on the flat deck of the uss iwo apollo 13. i believe that our navy and air force can handle this. militaryilities in our really good. host: wider you think the current navy and air force as it stands are able to take care of those matters when it comes to those assets in space? caller: well, our technical abilities -- the uss iwo jima, when the apollo 13/true, we were half a mile away. it is an -- splashed
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through, we were half a mile away. this is highlighted and amy goldstein's piece in the washington post, saying the changes that were announced thursday by the administrator of the department of health and human services, centers for medicare/medicaid services would significantly curtail the accountable care organizations and other providers would become responsible for the health care needs of a specific group of patients. under the aca, these teams have choices about their financial arrangements with the government. they can collect bonuses if they provide better care at lower cost, or greater amounts if they are willing to accept the risk moneying money -- owing in case they end up overspending. more than 561 teams are using the bonus only version with 300,000 clinicians taking part with 10 million patients.
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federal health officials want to limit such teams, saying federal data shows this version has ended up costing medicare extra money. until now, aco's have been allowed six years in which they can take part without assuming responsibility for potential losses. the changes would lower that two years. ohio is next, rick is in mansfield. good morning. caller: good morning, pedro. i'm a former marine, and i think we absolutely need this. i think this is an absolutely perfect opportunity for donald, because he is so interested in the war and the military, to put him in a space ship and let him go up there and control it. i think that would be a good job for him. host: alan is next in arkansas. he says yes. caller: good morning, everybody, that was too funny. i'm with the gentleman from new jersey, certainly, and the president. the best idea i have heard in a long time, and just i would like
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to ask everybody to do a search on how many flights, manned ince flights china has taken the last 10 years, moon flights, it never gets reported. i don't understand why that is never covered, but i am amazed that their preeminence in space -- at their preeminence in space. we spent the last eight years giving russia -- which again, it amazes me, we have given russia all of our top, most advanced ,ocket technology -- top-secret most advanced rocket technology so they can send their people to the space station, which to me is an incredible waste. host: but when it comes to yesterday's announcement, what makes it a good idea specifically? caller: let's take nasa money. everybody is complaining about money. why are we going to mars?
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i cannot believe we are wasting money to go to mars, for crying out loud. if we had all the money in the world, fine, let's go to mars. host: let's go to buoy, maryland, frank is next. caller: yeah, i agree with the program. you have to stop thinking in the now and in the past and look towards the future. it is inevitable it is going to happen, so you might as well get on the ball and do it now. as far as money, nasa only gets a budget of $20 billion a year, and if you give out $25 billion, like donald trump did in the first month, to the united black college fund, which is a good thing, but do think it will inspire younger people to get in the higher education type programs for technology in the future -- and the future of not just america, but the whole world. host: another call, from district heights, maryland. tony, go ahead.
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caller: we do not need a space force. we already have a space force. nsa, called nasa, the the cia, and so many intelligence agencies. a space force. donald trump is a space out. that is why he wants a space force. host: that will be our last call on this topic. our next guest argues that policy decisions made by this administration are benefiting the state and strength of this u.s. economy. douglas holtz-eakin will join us next, and later, we will take a look at the conspiracy theorist -- a conspiracy theorist and what he is making among president trump. all that coming up on washington journal. ♪ >> tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern,
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covering mexico and the u.s. government's immigration policy. sunday night on c-span q&a. >> washington journal continues. us, douglas serves as the president of the american action forum. good morning. last month in the hill you wrote a piece about the american economy, you related to decisions being made about policy. >> they have had an impact. the first, an indoor miss turn on regulation. people don't appreciate the scale of what has gone on. if you add the cost of regulation issued by the obama administration, 1.1 per day for eight years. the cost of complaining -- complying was over a billion
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years -- a billion dollars year. the trim added $5 billion to that. they propose to lower it by 9 billion. it is staggering, the difference. smalle this in the business confidence at record highs. they are not going to have to figure out what more thing. it has been a big deal. the tax bill. that has two key components. a cut in taxes for individuals and businesses. trip oferm it stops the companies moving overseas, the most fundamental change ever. necessary.rly both sides recognize this. they got that done. i think those are the good news
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for the economy. host: one of the criticisms was the corporate side, it was driven back into stock buybacks going back to stockholders. guest: i think that is missing a key thing, suppose i buy the stock back. it goes somewhere. the shareholder invests it in another company. what matters is not the initial transaction. where did the money" and mark is it the u.s. economy in a way that wages dust raises wages? host: besides unemployment, what other indicators do you look at? what do you see from those things about the state of the economy? for those2016 households that worked full-time full-year they solve zero increase in the standard of living. you have to fix the rate of productivity growth in the u.s. economy.
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the quickest route is to make sure things don't run overseas and we get more investment and innovation here and the tax bills filled with indicators that we are going to do that. rise.e seen businesses that is the early news. host: the tax bill has had its full effect? guest: no. this is going to be two or three years before we really see the large corporations fully adjusting. in between we will have nothing but shows like this where people fight about it. adjustment, as the what are those things? guest: -- no corporation can decide to build a new factory overnight. they don't even have the rules written out of the treasury yet. the rules will be finalized this fall. they will decide to build in ohio in the spring of 2019. it takes a long time. host: strength of the economy,
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health of our economy. 1000 --(202)4 748-8001 for republicans. what goes through your mind when you hear people say the current state of the economy should be credited to the previous administration? guest: they get credit when they are in office deserved or otherwise and not when they are out of office. that is the way it has been. there were some things present obama deserves quite it for -- credit for. he helped heal the economy. most of the things he did did not help the long-term growth rate. it did eat away at the core productivity. host: stimulus spending, the general motors, what are their roles in the current state of the economy from that
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administration to the current day? guest: they were short turn things to prop the economy up. having propped it up the question is what path do you set it on for the future. future youath of the talk about is the idea of gdp, sustainable at 4%. is administration says 4% sustainable and possible? if you get everything you want and it works exactly the way you dream. that is not a realistic projection. we are going to see 3%. that is a dramatic change. if they could sustain three that would be an enormous a cop was meant. -- enormous accomplishment. host: the average estimate will be increased 3% from 2.9% and
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2.4% a year ago. unemployment rate falling to 3.6% by june. guest: that is extraordinary. record lows in unemployment. that is a tremendous amount of good news. the shocking thing has been every month we get these reports of 200,000 jobs created. if you look at the population growth rate and say everyone has a job, we will get more jobs with more people, we should be creating 110,000. they have managed to draw people who are not working into jobs. these are the least capable and most needy americans. host: where do you think trends are? guest: we have seen it across the board. it has been interesting. we have seen a revival in manufacturing employment.
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there is steady growth in goods. the future is in services. the business sectors that you would expect, health, i.t.. host: our first call from boston. this is eugene. you are on. had a two-part question. good if you're the one financing them. we have not been financing them. up national debt was driven 20%. at some point this is going to come back to bite us. and the tariffs. the tariffs this president has been imposing, it is dangerous. we owed china a lot of money. what are we going to do when china calls and that debt? how is that going to be handled?
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that is going to cripple our economy. what is your take on that? guest: a fantastic observation. we have in a norm is deficit problem. trillion dollar deficits this year and next year for sure. about 12 trillion dollars in deficit. there was nothing good per se about having more deficits because of the tax bill. some are good tax policy but it would have been better if it was revenue neutral. we are going to have to deal with this debt problem. host: does it pay for itself? guest: it does not pay for itself. it may be beneficial for the economy. but you have to acknowledge that it cost revenue. host: you talk about the debt total. $21 trillion. what is it about that number?
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what do we do with it? guest: the real issue is if you look at the federal budget you have this simple picture. this is spending and revenue. they are diverging. that is the problem. the growth rate of those spending programs, medicaid, six and a half. it is faster than we will see revenue grow. if the administration its dreams revenue would be 4% plus inflation. that would be miraculous. they are growing too fast and not serving well. we have social security scheduled to go bankrupt. we need to look at them and say this is america. they shouldn't be going broke and fix that. host: modifying or changing them wholesale? guest: they can't stay the way they are. host: social security. where would you start? guest: i think you can lower the
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benefits. people who are lifetime earners. raise the minimum benefit. then have the growth benefits slow down. social security is set up so future retirees get a higher real standard of living. slow it down a little bit. raise the taxable maximum to what it historically has been. you can get this done relatively quickly. host: medicare? guest: much harder. the gap between payroll taxes in premiums is $350 billion a year. it is responsible for a third of that earl debt outstanding. we are going to have to say to the providers, the seniors, everybody involved, there is not an independent, of money involved. do something good with it. host: todd from ohio.
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thank you for calling. caller: this question is referencing the study of the reduction of the capital gains a hundredreduced by billion dollars. of a family,model a couple or individual, grossing $300,000 a year could you give examples to listeners as to how a reduction in the capital gains tax would benefit them, which would be to top in what qualifies as middle class in washington dc. guest: i'm not familiar with the study. i apologize. the notion is simple if you buy an asset, your house or stock,
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it, andpay $100,000 for you sell it, the capital gain is the increase in the value. that is taxable. it is at a preferred rate. that is something that wasn't changed. we did not touch capital gains. capital gains taxes are part of taxing the return when you save. lower taxes on that encourage people to save and in the long run economies grow because people don't eat everything they earn. .hey save some of it that is how standard of living is increased. host: sean from idaho. >> i heard there was legislation that had been put through concerning dodd frank.
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specifically how it benefited small banks. can you comment about that? guest: there was a bill passed by the house and senate that took the smaller regional community banks and exempted them from the more expensive and difficult regulations under dodd frank. there are some stress tests that are expensive. the compliance was so onerous those banks were essentially just hiring people to comply. both sides came to the realization this is one they had overstepped. it wasn't a big change but it did exempt a targeted set of banks from those regulations. probably a step in the right direction. host: there was a story from late july, the administration exhibiting -- can you explain what the proposal is? guest: everyone drink some
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coffee. the idea was to administratively index capital gains tax for inflation. forbuy some land, sell 150,000. it might have been $10,000 worth of inflation. get rid of the stuff, increase on your ability to consume and live well. now comes the hard part. do they have the authority to do it? i'm not a lawyer. i don't know. if you're going to do capital gains, should you do dividends and interest? what about capital losses? those should be there also. you get to in a more massive amount of complexity. my head starts to hurt. it is something we should put on the back burner. host: asking you about the
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increase into gross to mystic products, adding many tax guts are scheduled to expire in five years. what impact will that have? guest: i don't think it is a good thing they are expiring. that is what came out of the congress but temporary taxes are not as good as permanent. you are going to raise taxes in five years, and if you take that out you will add more to the deficit. host: from samuel, georgia. caller: good morning. i have a question. when obama was president, everybody was concerned about spending. visit administration is spending all kind of money and nobody is saying my grandchildren are going to have to pay for it. thank you. guest: i share your concern.
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i do. to me it is troubling there isn't more discussion about the federal budget. my own take is president obama sent the message there was nothing wrong with the federal byget that could be fixed taxing rich people. this president has said there is nothing wrong with the federal budget. neither one of them is true. host: the cbo released alternative scenarios. arehe recent tax cut's extended debt would rise to record levels and be more than double the size of the economy by 2048. >> these projections have been out there since i was cbo director. it is all here now. it is now within the next decade. some of then up
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room we had to change these things slowly. things, the those federal reserve. what it does, taking a look at the economy, what is the best guess of what happens? >> the fed is going to be in a terrible position. it is going to be a enormous amount of borrowing that will raise interest rates. it is going to be damaging to the growth of the economy. let's lower interest rates. they do that essentially by printing money. you run into the potential of slow growth, high inflation and budget problems. that is not a good scenario. let's not test how bad it can get. let's fix it. let's just fix them and never find out how bad it could be for the economy. consumer, what are we
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expecting? this is all a bad news scenario. we have seen other countries get way down this path. .e have seen it in argentina we are not those countries. we have an norm is advantages they don't have. the fact the dollar is a reserve currency. all of that has given us more road. we need to fix it. >> angela you are next. caller: good morning. ask, basicallyo the economy and health as opposed to jobs and careers, a practice of corporate and small business establishment for staffing services where the corporate may pay the $25 for
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camouflages the investment in the employee at the same time. they overcharge for the service. how does that help the economy when they can't get that because of labor laws? two important aspects of that question. it is tough to be honest. we are seeing changes in the nature of the work place. it has been widely reported. many companies are taking non-core services and contracting them out. people working in the building are not employees of the company anymore. our labor laws don't reflect these relationships. were the employee.
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we need to modernize those laws. that is important to think about. world thend of a nature of benefits people have the relying on the employer to do that is risky. we have to think more carefully about how we get health benefits and the things that have been located in the employer. host: there was information when it goes to wage growth. what is going on with that? >> there are a couple of different things. you get average hourly earnings. they are running above the rate of inflation been not tremendously above. the employment industry cost comes out. that is above the rate of inflation. that is good news. unless we get the productivity increases, if you get the wage
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increases, all that does, they are going to have to pay for it somehow. we haveg to look for is the labor markets tight. will you be able to get it without a heavy push on inflation, that is the key to being successful. who: the number of people can work versus jobs available. there are more jobs than people. first there are for the time in the history of this survey. it is six and a half million openings out there. surprised at the capacity of the economy to draw people out of whatever they were up to and get them into the labor market that can't last forever and there's going to be pressure on that. host: the former director of the congressional budget office. caller: hello. can you tell me how can the u.s.
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economy continue to grow at a healthy level when more and more people are paid by tax revenue? , the guy whotorial picks up trash every week, they are paid out of tax revenue. where is that going to come from ? who is going to pay the bill? the services help. americans are being replaced by foreigners. that is another source of tax revenue being depleted. guest: we grow because we in fact put more people back to work. 10% unemployment. get them back to work. get more and come out of that. the second way is to have people be more productive.
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running out of ways to grow the first way, adding people to the labor force. that is why the emphasis has to be on restarting the dynamics of the american economy. we have seen in the past decade troubling indicators of less dynamism. low productivity growth, things like that. that is the key to turning the corner and having more broad prosperity. host: what other avenues could the administration due to do that? guest: there are no magic bullets. or everyone would have done it. the things we know our good are capital investment. having people use the latest equipment. ont core part of the logic the regulatory and tax front. you need to foster innovation. it is important to have strong competition. i worry about the fact fewer businesses are starting. you need someone to come in and
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hold the feet to the fire. that is how we get more productivity. host: from our democrats line, dan. independence, oregon. caller: i wanted to call. i asked this before. i thought you might be able to help me. as a private person i have my budget and know how much my house is worth. about, howou talk much is the united states itself worth? that is what i would like to know. host: it seems like a simple question. guest: every company has its profits. and its balance sheet. the value of the buildings and factories. what do they?
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the balance sheet of united states is hard. how do you value the capital behind you? ?he washington monument the land, the offshore oil deposits, difficult. then you get into the tough stuff. the most powerful thing the federal government can do, the contacts you. i have no idea. a good question. call again with the next against and get someone to answer it. host: taxing power being one thing, this administration's approach has been towards china. what do you think of this? caller: a trillion dollar coin toss at best. i have the outlook for the economy. troubled about their approach on trade and immigration. i don't think these are steps in the right direction. i was in the bush white house when he imposed steel tariffs.
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it was a bad idea. , it harmedur economy our relationships with allies. there are still retaliations on the books in europe. they are just a bad idea. you cannot sugarcoat that at all. areapproach to nafta, they negotiating a way to fail these various demands on the table. that would be a tragic mistake. the biggest thing nafta did was solidify a democratic ally on our southern border. then china, the china logic is china is a bad actor. true. no one disputes that. we will threaten them to the point that they will behave, lower our tariffs. in the world will be a better place. that is a fine piece of logic if you can pull it off but there is no proof to the concept.
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they have yet to impose a tariff on someone and get them to agree to a better deal. they thought they had a deal with south korea. now they are not want to ratify that agreement. i have yet to be convinced the state of logic is playing out. host: what is the full effect? tariffs are nothing but taxes on things that people buy from outside the united states. they need to acknowledge the cost of tax increases. they say this is a good time to do this, which is the same time saying this is a bad idea but we can get on with it at the moment. 25% proposed on the next $200 billion. that is a $40 billion tax increase. consumers are going to pay that.
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it is going to undo the growth we have seen. you?at does it suggest to guest: i'm trying to figure out the right word. appalling. the stated logic is this is good for the united states. we are going to be smarter about trade. we are one make everyone better off. if that is true why give only the farmers a payoff to compensate for what you have done? line,from our independent thank you for calling. quick: a couple of comments. you are right about the farmers. the farmers double benefit from that our farmers and the usda systems, not genuinely independent. on the flipside the economy doing great and the power of
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taxation. the power of the taxation is the power of oppression. this country was founded in response to that. it wasn't so long ago that you guys had on some people, the gal office and they made some startling reports about head of households. they talked about earnings of head of households at certain ages and entitlements. ofht at or just over 50% head of households in this country receiving one form of entitlements. talk about wealth in the country. ohio. out in southern isy are losing jobs, there basically nothing but welfare to keep people alive here. the economy may be doing great for investors but what is going
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on here is from a real-world perspective the value of the labor pool in this country has been robbed to the extent that we need welfare, taxpayer welfare to stay alive. guest: he brings up an important feature of the economy. and thise recovery pickup in growth it has been uneven. there are pockets that have been left behind. of head left the policy scratching. there's been a focus on people. you want to make sure they get the help wherever there are. you may want to re-orienting this, find places that have been left behind and find out what it would take to restart growth in those areas. >> important question.
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this is david. hello. >> i have one statement and a question. in north carolina, the government employees such as teachers have gotten and voted themselves more of a raise, almost four times what a full-time employee at minimum wage could earn in that seems unfair and then i am looking at this global situation and thinking we have to get rid of the property tax. government employees can get these big salaries while everyone else lives in poverty. it seems like if we got rid of the property tax across this nation that would insulate the farmers and the residents of the united states from globalization. what do you think of that? guest: across the u.s. the
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property taxes been the most important tax for local governments. it has been the most unpopular tax in the united states. it stems from the issues that the caller describes. schools andcused on as a result teachers and other employees become part of the debate in every jurisdiction. with nine is no different. -- north carolina is no different. federal there a responsibility if pensions go south? this is a bad situation. they have made pension promises which they don't look like they will be able to fulfill. in many cases they are guaranteed by the state constitutional -- constitution.
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the highway to do that is to raise track -- raise taxes dramatically. how do you solve this problem? you can amend the constitution. , you deal with your creditors and say can you stretch out the payments or do something? finding a way to make that happen is probably keep. there is a joint select committee of house and senate members focused on the issue of the pension problem in the united states. their focus is on multiemployer pensions. all of this i think is going to be hard for the federal government to get involved in. they are not one to want to take on another big liability. is there a federal backstop for these? guest: there is not. what a federal government step back in?
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would that change the dynamics and what you do to fix your problems? i expect to hear this a lot. host: vivian, democrats line. caller: good morning. i would like to ask, was he on bushbo when president forgot to put medicare part d in the budget? and the two wars in the budget? the last time we almost went into a depression it is because of medicare part d, two wars, the tax cut and not being in the budget, and hiding what was happening to the economy. did he think that was a good idea? cbo during the medicare part d.
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that was in all of the budget projections. it is true the administration chose to finance the operations in iraq and afghanistan with separate requests not in the defense budget per se. i may budget guy. i think everything should be in the budget. i don't endorse that. i think it is a stretch to say it was hidden. every time they put out a deficit number it has revenue coming in and going out. participants, they are going to start renegotiating with pharmaceutical companies? host: that is a different part. that is medicare part b. there was a formula. you pay the acquisition cost plus 5%. that is that. nobody thinks that is a good idea. they are saying let's find out this is going to cost.
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the hospital and you are administered drugs in that setting. host: in michigan for our guest. you are next. caller: how much does the growth in gdp is attributed to government spending? i think for 2018 and 2019 there is going to be a push from the combination of the tax cut and the additional federal spending from the omnibus spending bill earlier which raised defense spending for the next two years. there is something to that. probably half a percentage point of economic growth in the next two years. we have seen the impacts already probably from the tax cut. i think we will see the spending part early this year and next year. host: deficit spending, is that a bad thing? guest: it depends.
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i think everyone can agree you want to do some things to boost the economy. now it is more dangerous to do that. it heats up the economy at a time when you are at full employment and ray -- main phrase inflation. it adds to the debt in the future. it is far less of a good thing right now. host: when is it a good thing? guest: in a recession. host: we will go to tom. caller: good morning. a relatedbring up point that has not been addressed yet. global warming on the economy of this country as it requires investment for future protection from floods and so forth. how is that impacting your capacity to make realistic
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assessments? in all of thenges studies unfamiliar with focus on disruptions in patterns of production. you will see crops no longer viable in parts of the world, the sea level rises. that is expensive. most of the military is close to the coast. i think this is, it is one more way the economic forecast will be wrong. add this to the list. host: job creation, this was from may, health services told by retail trade. the last question, the green jobs, what have we seen since that? guest: i have been puzzled by the notion of green jobs. make every job in little greener by having cleaner energy supply.
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that makes sense but targeting particular jobs as green, if you are construction person putting up a solar panel, are you a green job? host: tony in new york. hello. >> you spoke about the pensions. i'm a retired member. was 3392. union, we had $41 million in the bank. today it has $28 million. when these pensions were going bad the government stepped in, and allow this to go on. they knew it was coming. i have been working on this problem.
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i have made proposals that are logical and i don't see why they can't do that. they need to bring in revenue. tocan't they put a surcharge help the pensions out? ups they handle 3 billion shipments a year. that is only one of four companies they own. there is no reason why they can't do that. people like me, i worked my whole life. my back is wrecked. , can't make another living build another pension. i was denied food stamps. yet no one seems to understand that. this wasn't caused by the slaveg person, who has to to get that pension and that salary. u.s. government can send money all over the world and help anybody they want but they can't help us. guest: i feel his distress.
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we can go across the landscape. we have private employer pensions which go under. we have a pension benefit guaranty corporation that is government backstop and it doesn't guarantee a full pension. the pbgc is in trouble. we have the multi employer pensions, the trucking and other folks that are in bad shape. employers leave and the ones who remain hold the bag. we have all sorts of problems there. the state of pension preparedness is dangerously low. this is going to be an issue for the next decade. >> two quick points. my c-spant all of friends out there, instead of us
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tearing down teachers and other employees pay out of tax revenue , why can't we work on bringing up the minimum wage, bring up the standard of pay for people across the board? i don't want -- i don't know what we want to bring everyone down. admitted theenspan u.s. makes the money. we print the money to pay the bills. if there is a check that we need hasay, that congress written, the u.s. is the one to print the money for that. we have the money to pay, we .ust need to be careful there is no reason we should be having these extended words -- wars. we need to think about how to bring up our own infrastructure. -- i am all for
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it. i think we need to have a more constructive dialogue about these very real problems. saying these people cause the pension problem is not going to help. ,n terms of having the money the federal government may be able to print paper but it doesn't have a way to pay for things in a deep sense. it relies on taxes from american citizens to pay its bills and focusing on the bills, make a sure they don't get too big is the right strategy. the former director of the congressional budget office, a question about the economy. thank you for your time. coming up,, the conspiracy q1 on -- q
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that discussion, next. >> we don't live in the same parts of the country. we don't have the same outlook. but where we are the same is men of color and women of color, the way we try to instill a sense of fear, you can call it respect, but it is a fear that the consequences of what could happen if an interaction with police goes wrong. >> sunday night, d.l. hughley shares his thoughts on race in america with his book how not to get shot another advice from white people. >> how about having a police department respectful of the public they work for, held to a higher standard than the children? there's a certain point when children just don't listen. should they die for that? that is why they are called
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teenagers. should we accept that for society? is that the best we can do? to tell our children to be more responsible than adults trained to serve their community? >> this sunday on oral histories we continued series on women in .ongress with sue myrick >> the other thing is women, we were alike because one time we were together and the older women who had been here before, some of the others, we were talking. i said something -- i have to take my work home. the other one said you do that? what we realized was we took our work home and went home at night and worked. the guys went out and had a good
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time. that is what happened. or would go tof a matinee. we are working all the time. we realize that was the difference. >> and we will hear from eva clayton. watch oral histories on american history tv on c-span3. >> washington journal continues. wouldjoining us, thomas serves as an assistant professor of political science here to talk about conspiracy theories and some associated to it. could you talk about your study of conspiracy theory and what led you to it? ,ost: my supervisor at the time eric oliver and i became
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interested in what we suspected would be a fringe element of american public opinion. we started off in the rum of public opinion. we thought this would be a media affect. folks would be very reliably theonding and parroting political considerations present in the media of their choice. mediae observed was consumption differences that relate to the conspiracy theories americans tend to express. and the scope of conspiracy believe. themagine this would be, responsibility interests would some subscription to the conspiracy narrative is incredibly widespread. that was the first indication
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that what we imagine was the story of emergent media properties that came out a decade ago, with the decline in old media. that was going to fail to be a compelling account for why the american public was so conspiratorial and pushed us to think about more psychological factors that explains it. host: we brought you want to talk about this person known as qanon. could you talk about what influence that person has had? guest: we have to be careful. your regular viewers probably hear about accounts from trained journalists and they expect to know the degree of factual representativeness.
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we have to stipulate this theory is wildly speculative and broadly improv zabul -- implausible. circulatingtarted the end of last year on chat boards, a person who profess to have a shadow we influence in american government, access to a secret information, practice -- promise that after the prediction was made, cataclysmic events would transpire. a shadow we network of people who abused public trust and abused the innocence would be exposed in the american system of government would be revealed to be a shadow we network of secret of actors.
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if it sounds like the story that comprises of a hollywood film, that is not coincidental. the story almost doesn't submit itself to factual contradiction. is among amazing thing the advocates, among the adherents, it has failed every chance it has had to be vindicated in these predictions. when the prophecies fail they don't abandon the theory. they almost cling to it more closely. some photographs at recent rallies with the president of people wearing t-shirts. what does that suggest about how gripped some of the imagination of trump supporters? host: -- guest: the people who attend
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rallies, during the term elections, we have no really good national representative survey data on the prevalence of the theory but if a large proportion of the american public adheres to this, it is because of reports like the one we are involved in now. there is an exposure effect. debunk these to claims and in so doing expose a larger audience to the underlying conspiracy narrative than would otherwise have been aware of it. i would be amazed if q annan -- has the ability or widespread belief that the 9/11 conspiracy theories have, or the president obama birth risen conspiracy theories, but it
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might be the case this goes on supporterse of trump and become a fundamental part of his base. we have had to guess. this is speculation. it is a function of the fact we are in the dog days of baseball, football has not started again. we are casting about things to talk about. i would be surprised if this is an enduring part of public opinion. us -- if guest is with you want ask questions about the group itself. you can tweet us thought that c-span. about social where does this group exist on social media?
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one of those sites is read it. guest: read it came later. they are more shadow we, less well trafficked websites well -- where they feature greater prevalence of white nationalists sentiment, trafficking in old-school, old-fashioned anti-semitic rhetoric and conspiracy theories. read it came later. is an indication the chandely spread conspiracy theory became among a larger group but i make this clear to viewers, social media is not the driving factor in conspiracy believe. that fails for two reasons.
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conspiracy theories about the role of catholics and masons in american politics, that was the 19th century. the 20th century, it predates the emergence of social media. or roswell alien landing, the assassination of john f. theedy predates by decades emergence of social media. there is a scope dimension which precludes the role of social media being a driving force in where thesee place conspiracy theories are most happily trafficked, these fringe boards have tiny volumes of people attend them. people who believe in other conspiracies are estimated to support this.
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for those sets of reasons social media is important. it may prove this misrepresents how we should define the understanding of this. host: vox did a survey taking a look at boards when it comes to that great awakening, it cited 210 users on that board collectively posted a quarter of comments. it is important to say that whatever this interest is, it is a subset of supporters overall of the president. guest: exactly. the extent that now people are asociating it with being supporter of president trump, that might aid the prevalence insofar as tens of millions of americans are sitting at home
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with positive feelings about president trump. if it is the case you can be an adherent to the story make consistent with your otherwise support for this president that might make this theory widely wayad in a year, the same birther's and became a way for others who did prefer or support president obama became fellow travelers as a way to be made consistent with their distaste for president obama's. host: what do they advocate as far as the things that he claims to know, as far as this administration. give us one thing. guest: sure. the things that i like the most about the story, just because i parallax view, the role of this numerology.
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look for any time the word 17 as mentioned. they think that is subtle signaling of insiders that they are adherents or proponents of this narrative. fantastic makes for risks, i would invite your more dispassionate audience to think about how wildly implausible numerology is between the american government and the american public. host: first call republican line. you are on with our guest. believe c-spant has such an unintelligent person represent qanon. there are so many citizens available to give you the scope and the accuracy. this guy knows absolutely nothing.
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you can't believe a word he is saying. indoctrinated of the liberal -- host: are you a follower of qanon? caller: absolutely. and whatt has he said claims has he made that have come true in your mind? caller: where his predictions come true? host: yes. about 48,000 indictments that are going to come forward to shortly? host: qanon is this a prediction of -- is this a prediction of qanon? caller: it is part of the exposure of the state. it is unbelievable, there are so many citizen journalists that can give you the scope of this. host: why do you believe this person on this board? he is accurately
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telling us the things that the media will not. that is tony in florida. that one ofld say the lovely things about living in a democratic regime, a i welcome andtry, applaud you for thinking quite ever you like. i am sorry that i let you guys down but i am neither advocating against conspiracy. but i do not mean to disparage anyone that shares them. it is a typical way for the average american to make sense so every person listening this morning, you are welcome to believe whatever you like about american politics but i would encourage you to do this very simple trick.
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the name of reverse any political figure in any of the stories. flip obama to trump. if you find it that you are less willing to believe the theory, that is a pretty good indication that your partisanship, your ideologies doing some of the work here. nutcase, i would encourage you to go look at the evidence. point,o the caller's have there been any claims that qanon have made that came out 100% accurate? far from theis so opinion of mass opinion. i would encourage the audience to not take my word for it -- go ahead and read any established
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, conventional news a and we have hundreds of years of journalistic standards of what can and cannot be reported in the press. host: tom in minnesota. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i am a supporter of donald trump. i have never heard of this q thing. my first comment was going to be , you were not explaining what some of these theories were, you said something about a numerical theory, and i chuckled. supporter, irump would not get into something like that. spreading news on being informed about this, so i'm going to have to check it out.
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whatnal question would be, you are saying about people believing in that kind of stuff as compared to those who still think the eldest -- that elvis is alive, so that is where i am at. guest: i want to take this very seriously. there is a mere exposure effect. i appear on c-span, not reluctantly, but to indicate i've anything you hear today makes you curious, go ahead and established news media organizations to acquaint yourself with a particular theory. many sort of rigorous world many sort of rigorousreporters o to the extent of these claims have been vindicated and i am encouraging your audience.
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americans on each end of the political spectrum of broadly believe and quite a large number of conspiracy theories. some of the most interesting ones i find our to do with health. large numbers of americans are suspicious of natural cures or chronic diseases are being suppressed by drug companies for financial interests. numbers of americans during the second half of the bush administration believe that the american government had been in the 9/11 terror attacks. this momentulate at that it still enjoys far less support in the american public, but it really is a political the broadow wisely currency might enjoy. reporting thatws some of the more interesting --ngs that qanon espouses
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prominent democrats like hillary clinton are involved in eight and president trump is working with robert mueller to bring it down. we are looking at it ourselves with our guest thomas wood who joined us from ohio state university. rich from ohio, independent line. caller: thank you. od, i am awo crowded -- i'm a proud graduate of ohio state university with a major in political science. see you onrful to representing the university in talking about a subject that has hit the media recently. my question, and it goes back to was thatial comment, referencederences --
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some of the media doing some analysis on the qanon phenomenon and trying to prove these theories false. you seem to indicate that that was not the right way to go about it. as a person that has always been factually oriented because i went on to law school at i will have and believe in facts and truth, when things are pretty , the right way to take them on it to do some fact analysis. and try to prove the people that these are false allegations and back it up with facts and other ways to disprove it. outpeople put their facts there and let people decide. newspaper and a general media do a good job of this.
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thank you. professor? guest: first off, i support endorsing the university. a question ofs professional judgment. is only one of these conspiracy narratives that gets ums, andin on line for most of them fizzle quickly. the audience would agree that it is not the responsibility or a good use of time to hang out on these forums and take every at facefanciful claim value. it is a matter of professional judgment.
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they have to wait until they observe some circumstantial evidence that large numbers of hering toe ad these stories and their exposure effect is offset by a correction effect. i amution is just that aware of how many of these stories are -- how many of these theories are trialed at one time or another. given the broad number of those, most of which never again any traction our audience, i would not think it is a good use of journalistic resources to run those stories down. it is a balancing act. host: republican line from florida. caller: hi, i wanted to ask if qanon had any belief in the mades of edward snowden,
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to the deep state consisting of the federations of societies article part in an executive order? guest: gosh. -- if younology really want to have specifics with that terminology, i would encourage you to use a search engine. is -- theng factor is thereing factor are a few chronicle versions as to what is included. specificity -- i am not trained to speak to the truth of the account, i am more studying the psychological response. host: video being one of those features of qanon, if you go to site, we will show
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you a portion. [video clip] >> by now, you may be aware that america was on the verge of being destroyed by very powerful criminals who had made their way right into the heart of power. we did not notice because they became our most trusted leaders, entertainers, and politicians. things changed. in 2016, patrons and the u.s. military took back power with the election of donald trump. damage,rectly into the they got to work dismantling the branches of the powerful shadow government that was in the process of siphoning off america's vast wealth for you after two years of a dramatic facet operation, they now to the last remaining pillar of the deep state. the vast media empire. host: professor, what do you think about the power that these videos will add to the
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perpetuation of the impact of q? very effective videographers and narratives in this community. i would encourage your audience to look at what they just saw -- isn't about it really that different from the way movie trailers are made? compelling stuff. i do not deny the allure of thes e. i would just encourage your audience, if anything we have heard on this broadcast this morning and makes them interested, go to the search browser, go to any of the news media outlets and inform yourself. you become very convinced, that it's fantastic, there is online enjoyities where you can describing the conspiracy theory to your heart's content. host: christopher is in
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philadelphia. caller: hi, thomas. i am applauding your bravery to talk to some of the proponents of this theory. i have met some and the gets very intense. you are going to have lots of connected and somehow and the entire grand scheme, donald trump is the hero. get ready and i just wanted to let you know that want pedro that mirror to the guy in florida, as soon as it is presented with any sort of push back, do you have any facts to back that up, nothing. take it with a grain of salt and c-span to have more things like this because it is needed. a lot of people are scared to push back against this intensity. host: thank you. guest: i never thought of what i was doing as brave. that made me concerned.
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i am a migrant to this country. i am an american citizen now, but i love chatting with americans about politics. all kinds of ideas are expressed in my classroom. position to abuse any person of their ideology. onto something as far as the success of this cyrticular conspira theory and in some parts of the way it taps into the current partisan divide. it allows people who otherwise feel very positively disposed to certain national political figures -- that is a very useful thing for making the conspiracy very more current and widely trafficked. host: professor, is very common denominator for those people who adhere to conspiracy theories? guest: sure.
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in a book that eric oliver and i that is coming out in about a weth, "enchanted america," find a two basic cognitive styles, a rationalist, a in isttivist -- intuition tend to beve styles more educated, rationalist and intuitivist tend to be more religious. intellectual rational grew me and they enjoy the intuitive appeal of the stories. -- intellectual rationalist, they enjoy the intuitive appeal of these stories. any sports fan who has willed a field goal to be kicked.
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to the special corner and their living room and close , we all can become susceptible to intuition and symbolic reasoning under feelings of emotional manifestation of american ideologies. host: pennsylvania, independent line. caller: good morning, greetings. q, where we will go one, we will go all host: are you a follower? let's put it this way. after what happened after our election, can you believe them? in the mockingbirds press -- and
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mockingbird because that is the operation that the cia -- wed the deep state have been lied to for a long, long, long time. it is over. host: a couple of things, are you a close follower? caller: close, no. it has been since october of last year, where the hell has anybody else been? host: what drew you to this initially? info,: get the real because you are not going to get on tv or through press. you're not going to get it through watching the disney channel are fox news. there is a lot of stuff they are not allowed to talk about. like fukushima, what happened there? host: this was particularly on our media today
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has been taken over by entities with absolute control of media. mainstream investigative journalism has been shut down. q is breaking that stronghold by building a new media. let truth reigh. one of the current properties in these theories core, these are folks who really enjoy mapping connections, every time they are exposed to to an external factual correction, they account for this. it is not coincidental that the american press are all wrapped and that theyry
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are accounted for and their opposition is not even to moreadict, but instead, evidence that stocks up against the claim is actually evidence for the conspiracy. that is in the mind of the adherents. in a sense, i would encourage folks who are dealing with people in their lives who are very central to the qanon i do not know if talking to those folks is a productive way to proceed, but people who are merely exposed and have some level of familiarity with the claim are probably willing to objectively appraise this conspiracy capacity.iagnostive it does not really matter what some professor is saying.
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it will all be vindicated in history. uest, -- our guest, professor at ohio state university. we will go to michigan, republican line. caller: hello. thomas, good morning. thank you for c-span. this is a fascinating conversation. one of the issues i would like to bring up, i have heard of am am astonished, conservative republican. heard it, dismissed at the very beginning. , but what i am curious about with commas in particular, you encourage people to go directly to journalistic reports , and as acts
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conservative republican, i am amazed that you would -- how do i want to put this -- it you seem to want to rely on journalism and we know for a a year and a half, journalism is not really accurate, either. there are conspiracy theories within the journalistic communities and you do not seem to want to question that at all, and in particular with the russian conspiracies with the trump administration, which are now seeming to disintegrate before our eyes. i would like for you to comment on that. host: can ask a question before you leave? caller: sure. host: you said you dismissed it, what caused you to do that? have you ever run into a supporter of this or someone who knows about it? caller: no, i have not. i dismissed it because on its unrealistic.very
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and went back to the 9/11 conspiracies which i dismissed. that, so i threw it away at the beginning. host: thanks, appreciate that. nt, journalismpoi is a human endeavor. when they fail, the caucuses are bad. -- the consequences are bad. it seems to be the case that the american press enjoys far less popular standing than it once did. the extent to which it enjoys respect along the ideological spectrum has the graded. we have survey evidence that that has been taking place through decades, but i would to thinkourage kirk about the united states compared to other countries around the world. the free press is the way you would like that i american
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public to get acquainted with the current events. for all of its failings, i would suggest -- i encourage my is a strength of the american democracy how vital and factually informed the american press is. if you do not like the "new york times" or "the washington post " hopefully somewhere along the spectrum, there is factually informed news reporting. host: let's hear from rich in philadelphia, independent. caller: yeah, i would like to comment on the jfk assassination.
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they keep saying they are going to release all of the files after 50 years, 50 years has, and gone. president trump said he wanted to release more files on the assassination and they were redacted. majoring to the q& -- people in our government was involved in our assassination. and joe manchin, the democrat, his daughter works for the which helpedies flood our country with a ton of opioids. have you explain these things when they are not put in the american press? a lot to deal with their. the kennedy assassination, billions of ink has been spilled.
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i said i'll of mass attitudes, i do not feel qualified to make a statement about either of the claims that the caller presented. host: are you surprised by the longevity of some of these theories? theory is a very unusual episode of american history in so far that the people that were alive during the subsequent government would haveons inadvertently adopted a lot of the traits that we might otherwise regard as conspiratorial, and made it into the mainstream discussions of this. the oliver stone film presented a varied case for the jfk assassination.
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it is probably the exceptional case for its ability to be a long conspiracy with the american public. question.current asked this question for decades and that is a stubbornly consistent theory. host: joe from building at, republican line. --joe from building pennsylvania, republican line. you are saying that everybody is talking about a conspiracy three but since donald trump has been in office, is exposing senators using taxpayer money to settle secret lawsuits that nobody knew about. also, the budget. no one is willing to trim the f at.
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know, it just seems the fbi not turning over documents. does that not seem like there is some secret government? joe, do you believe there is a secret government as you described it, and those things you just tell us as fact or are there other things that you consider? caller: it is a fact that lawsuits were settled with taxpayer money and it was not told to the american people. it is also a fact that there has by congress to the fbi and they refused to give them are give them redacted. the election is over, there is no need to classify that. why not to release all of the evidence? host: when you say secret government, what do you mean? thatr: a government refuses to comply with the order of the people that are in charge. congress makes requests to the fbi, they need to honor that.
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or going around in circles to get documents they should freely present. it does not need to be classified to senators and congressmen and the american people have a right to know. host: ok. would, the right to know, that drives people's and knowing conspiracy theories. guest: sure. but the human capacity for recognition -- requests for documents between the legislative and executive branch happens every day, hundreds of times a year, and enjoying no public scrutiny, no public profile because it is a part of a working of a democratic government. a little bit skeptical about the extent to which conspiracy theorists
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the happenings of american government and use them the factual support for these conspiracy theories. it is believed that americans are becoming more interested in government and hopefully, as out information about their preferred theory, we can improve the public awareness of how a federal government works. host: called from barbara in virginia. republican line. caller: i would like to talk about the jfk assassination. in the 1970's, i was traveling in upstate new york and i was having breakfast in a diner with a friend. this man came up to our table of hal jfk a flier
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had been assassinated. it was all about conspiracy theory. we thought he was crazy. at the time,d i even though i am calling on the republican line, were very involved in democratic politics. we work for the kennedys. down the line, fast forward to now, we found out about the cuba-cia involvement about jfk's involvement with the mafia, and if you take a poll of americans now, a great majority believe there was a conspiracy. what i think is sometimes these are conspiracies and sometimes it needs years to come out and we find out much more than our government or other people have
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done. host: thank you. one more question, how do you sticks inhow qanon longevity -- how can we measure that? guest: eventually, researchers or public media polling will start asking questions about qanon conspiracy ahereance. -- adherence. , we will a widespread keep asking. it does not matter what individual researcher says, the ingenuous answers of americans will drive the process. those of us who study conspiracy theories, we have a vocational interest in the prevalence of these theories. cominggladly spend the
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years of my career is studying the prevalence of this. many people are studying the prevalence. ist: "enchanted america," the book that takes a look at these topics. thomas wood joining us for this discussion. thank you. guest: thank you. host: open phones until 10:00, (202) 748-8001 republicans, democrats (202) 748-8000, for independents (202) 748-8002. at 8:00 p.m., on c-span, portions of the first annual resurgent gathering. speakers include a matt pappas and texas governor greg abbott. >> texas is facing an immigration crisis.
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we have a thousand people a day moving to the state of texas. people talk about building a are fed up with the federal government of not doing its job is to build a wall, so this is what texas is going to do. texas is going to come out of our own budget and we are going to build the wall with this difference. -- building to be between texas and new mexico so we can keep the californians out. the anniversary of the americanss of killed received by president bill clinton and secretary of state madeleine albright. c-span,, and listen on the free c-span radio app. tv,his weekend on book
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journal"ngton continues. host: you can post on our twitter feed @cspanwj, for republicans, (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8002 for independents. a new study take a look at supporters of president trump and how they feel about him. saying that i study found that 82% of verified trump supporters said they felt "warmly" towards him with a 62% saying they felt "very warm" about him. 0-100,ng thermometer of and 76% or higher showing very warm feelings about the president. that is "the washington times
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those quote this morning. times" thisington morning. when it comes to men without a college degree, 86% of those saying they have very warm feelings about the president compared to march of 2018. degree, with a college saying they have very warm feelings compared to 83% in march of 2018. women without a college degree, 96% of saying they had warm feelings. with a college degree, 83% of those having warm sentiments. 76% in march of 2018. oklahoma is up on open phones, coleman out of tulsa. caller: yes, i have very warm
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feelings about president trump doing his best to drain the swamp. remember that the last election showed 95% of washington bureaucrats. we are controlled in the bureaucracy by democrats, and the media's over 90% democrats based on all kinds of information in the reporting . whenever republicans are in office, they are scrutinized by democrats. whenever democrats are in control, you have a compliant media and very little scrutiny. agencies ofized the the government -- of the fbi, the irs, doj, and state department. host: let's go to new york, mark is next. republican line. caller: the idea that trump had
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on space force is a good idea. it is an initiative to protect american interests up above the planet. thank you. host: the president himself on his twitter feed talking about saying, "if tariffs just authorized a doubling of aluminumon steel and .n turkey aluminum will now be 20% and steal 50%. our relationship with turkey are not good at this time." michigan, democrat line. i consider myself more independent but i voted democrat in the presidential election. there is a lot of misconduct that is happened in the government that is getting labeled as conspiracy three and it should be looked at closely
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if there is misconduct. it should be charged criminally. host: such as what, gimme something specific? caller: i do not want to get sideed jumping on either of the partisan fight, but if you have people taking their banjos and looking got citizens that should not be looked at based on laws, we should have rights as americans, that should be looked at and not labeled as conspiracies to -- conspiracy theory. obvious, it is pretty that meeting with russians in the trump tower with don jr. was colluding. probably not illegal. chicago,l in republican line. media: our mainstream
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does not really inform us about what is going on. the world bank has said they are anymoreg to fund after this year, they are only going to fund renewables. anybody that has a computer should go to youtube and click running on [indiscernible] why do you particularly trusted that youtube channel? there is a police force in america that is running -- host: why you trust that youtube channel you cited?
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caller: they have all of this information and that is not just from america, it is from a japan, other countries also. host: bill in chicago. " reporting on a survey they data for democrats take back the house in november and leadership aimed at 27% of people who surveyed in the poll think that democrats should take a nancy pelosi as the leader in the house with nearly half democrats saying they should pick a new chief. barometer polln released yesterday found that 51% of democrats serve -- a think that house democrats should keep pelosi as their leader. 49% said that they should pick a new leader. 79% of independents said that pelosi should be replaced while 91% of republicans that house democrats a pick a new leader. host: from california.
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caller: good morning. i would like to voice my opinion in regards to the space force. it is a big waste of money. we cannot even take care of our own oceans, atmosphere, and each other. horrible, ridiculous idea and for all of my fellow americans who believe in the space force, made the space force be with you. host: give me a reason why you think it is a bad idea? he is gone. let's go to virginia, democrat line. caller: good morning. can i give you guys a suggestion that i would love to hear on c-span? host: sure. caller: ok. i would like to know, it seems like our congressmen and senators are always flying to other countries. they are constantly gone and they keep it secret it. went after trump
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in helsinki, and democrats do it, too. it seems like they are making deals, business deals, maybe getting ready for when they retire so they can make the big bucks with a corporation. i feel we need to know really a lot more, they tend to make that secretive. i would like to know a whole lot more about how many of our congressmen and how often do they travel abroad. it seems they are oversees more than they are in our own country. host: if you look at our website that, you can type in these types of parameters as far as foreign seas trips. i know if you go to the clerk of the house, they have a section on their website talking about foreign travel reports, i will read you a section of it saying reports for certain expenditures
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by all officials are found in accordance with the mutual security act of 1954 and the international security assistance act of 1978. that is on the house side, on the senate side, you can find something similar., youclerk.hous can find records on that topic area -- topic. north carolina. go ahead. caller: are you ever going to have the best-selling book author on the mueller probe, and when are you going to have mark levine back on your show with all of the mueller probe going on? it falls in line with what you are talking about to with this q, i never heard of it, but i do believe there is a deep state. if i were to take and have my
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the fbi andenaed by i went and destroyed them, i destroyed phone devices with a hammer and they were under subpoena, i would not be doing what i am doing. i would be sitting in jail right now. part of yourfirst question since they are all book related, i would invite you to go to our website, the portion that deals with our book tv c-span2 in on weekends, , turns to discussion of nonfiction books all weekend long. it also gives a previous appearance. the show,has been on but it will give you some answers about that. you can also make a request to the book tv fikj -- book tv folks. tim is next from ohio. democrat line. thatr: it still amazes me
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-- i'm not going to say that trump would be a good or bad presence, it is the idea that so much of the country can follow this person that lies, steals, and cheats his whole life. the guy is plainly a con man. whole premise was getting a businessman and not a politician ere, and now we are in a bigger debt. the whole world is pay status. -- is pissed at us. there are people that blindly follow this guy. that people in 1942 that people thought that hitler was great. host: that is tim and ohio. ketwatcho to the mar
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website, the white nationalists got a permit thursday to stage another protest on sunday to mark the anniversary of the mayhem. there is also a permit for a counter protest the same day setting up another possible confrontation. essler who filed the paperwork with the park service in may for a permit will allow them to demonstrate in lafayette park. meanwhile, virginia governor ralph northam and the city of charlottesville declared a state of emergency ahead of the anniversary of the initial unite the right rally. republican line, mary. stole myhe last caller thunder but i would like to add
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that no interference with mueller's investigation should be imposed on him. there should be no deadlines because clinton's investigation took more than four years. allingni is spit b publicly trying to discredit media and people are falling for it. that trumpe to say should be made to release his tax returns because that would reveal a lot. also, i would like to tell people that are his biggest lieswers, check the 4000 and think for yourself. trump is the best con man and you are getting conned. host: brett kavanaugh, the
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choice for the next justice on the supreme court, profiled this morning about his time during the bush white house. this from a series of a -- of email questions which is part -- which isd part of files that are released that carry little significance, consisting mainly of bush white , but emails about the monitoring of terrorism suspects attorney-client communities stood out. and the white house prepared a detailed explanation about its context. at theil was a response 2001 oversight hearing about post-9/11 actions including the monitoring,bunals,
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racial profiling, and etc. -- bradfordugh berenson said he was happy to help out on the attorney-client issue. florida, jamesy, you are next. caller: the decision for isaster migration, i am retired now, but i worked on the reservation at the hard rock cafe. of two senior agents on the ground of time of the day of pigs, andy of that is what the book is about along with a conspiracy of kennedy.
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conspiracye it was a and that it was planned. the reason for it was because of the bay of pigs, and it was the cubans. as far as lee harvey oswald. nch died fourr. ly months after his bit came out of the same cancer. n in great falls, virginia. democrats. caller: i wanted to call about the recent poll about how trump supporters are warm to him. that should not come as much of a shock considering that trump ran on these policies when he was running for president. supported obama when he
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was passing the affordable, even though the republicans would be flabbergasted. it should not come as much of a as to how trump has a his following because supporters still believe in what he is saying and they supported him when he ran on those policies. president not at the white house, based in new jersey for a time, one of those was about prison reform our prison overhaul highlighted in the pages of "the washington post," saying the president is proposing several initiatives on the front. it would overhaul the sentencing system under the agreement, the new package would provide provisions that lowers mandatory minimums for drug felonies including the three strike penalty. it would also include the senate
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language that retroactively applies the fair sentencing act of 2010 which reduces disparity and guidelines between crack and powder cocaine offenses. it would also reduce mandatory minimum sentences when a firearm is used in a drug offense. and it would let judges take advantage of safety valves. texas, patricia. just wanted to let you know if you do a little and watching the history channel, kennedy lost his ambassadorship to britain because he went to germany and said that hitler's was doing a great job. fortunately, our president roosevelt canned his [indiscernible] . host: democrat line, christine,
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go ahead. caller: i would like to use two words. sand laws. widespread,running global conspiracy anyone has heard of. yet the think about common people are involved when a conspiracy is happening. educators, scientists, government officials. we do this year after year, but we have to let the kids and on it by the time they turn eight or 10 years old so they can be the next group of people to continue the conspiracy to all the new people. any beliefto debunk that any large group of people can keep that secret to keep any conspiracy going. it would have to involve as may people as a santa claus. host: out of "the washington post," one story about the military. that animateng
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july 20 memo, a top office ordered the service to suspend involuntary separation actions for individuals in the program and ordered a review of the discharge procedures. williams, acting assistant secretary of the army for manpower and reserve affairs, asked army deputy chief of staff to recommend whether additional guidance and should be issued regarding the discharge procedures. the army's decision to halt the atcharges temporarily comes a rack of legal action by soldiers who enlisted in the army and now, my finger path to citizenship. of the pentagon saying it is the pentagon delaying the release of a report ranking to the risk of sexual more than 200 and
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military installations comparing the story to a tested weapons systems. the release of the study rescheduled for september could spark concerns among the troops and their families, particularly tationed at bases that run the highest risk of sexual assault. data onwas to review sexual harassment and assault in the and how they affected risk of assault that individual basis. it helped clarify the results -- that is according to a spokesperson. louisiana, sydney, good morning. caller: i would like y'all to get some people on there to discuss the va hospital privatization. it is not working. obama, youlike mr. cannot go to your doctor, they
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only let you go to a doctor that they pick and they cannot get none. louisiana, we have to drive to lafayette to see a dermatologist. how is this helping? ofy are getting rid everybody at the v.a. because of the great privatization that is going to help us and that is hurting us. to drive 200 miles round-trip to go by the v.a. to go to the lafayette to see this scan on my face. what kind of deal is this? host: several issues about those veterans, particularly the state of veterans affairs if you go to our website,, segments on this program and others as well to talk about these issues. out thoset to check things and what others are talking about when it comes to the condition of the v.a., go to
9:58 am host: minnesota, democrats line. caller: i wanted to comment on the space program that pence has been talking about. the space program has been privatized and we are trying to and i thinkervice this is an abomination. we are not trying to dominate which is what spent said. , which means said everybody's life on this planet to will no longer be their own because we are going to have spies and everything watching everything going on in this country. we do not need that. we need to get together to form takentry where we care of each other and are good to each other and not to militarize everything. host: nasa administrator on our newsmakers program.
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if you want to see what he says about the space program. go ahead, you are on our line, good morning. bob from tyler, texas. caller: i was calling about thomas wood. i was honored to be a sponsor -- florida.l, independent line. caller: one of our biggest problems in washington is not congress, it is the federal unions. is just aboutty hitting zero as you look at the highways. we are going to get rid of those federal unions. host: that is the last call we will take on this topic.
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