tv Campaign 2018 Tennessee Senate Debate CSPAN October 11, 2018 1:17am-2:15am EDT
i don't think our president fits into that category at all. words, sundayr night at 10:00 eastern, on book tv. >> now to tennessee where incumbent senator bob corker is not seeking reelection. owners know decide between republican marsha blackburn and her opponent. you are watching c-span, your primary source for campaign 2018. >> tonight, all eyes on tennessee. two candidates. from two sides of the aisle. >> i'm a conservative guy and she is the 800 pound gorilla. >> they go head-to-head on one stage.
dubbed that most important senate race in the country. polls showing a dead heat. >> this one is too close to call. >> the wrong answer on immigration. >> tonight, your chance to hear from candidates in their final debate before election night. >> your local election headquarters welcomes you to tonight's senate debate. we are broadcasting live from the baker center on the university of tennessee's campus in knoxville. i am the evening anchor and i will be your guide this evening for the next star media group presentation. let's go right ahead and introduce you to the candidates who are running for u.s. senate. senmer governor phil brede
and congressman marsha blackburn , representing tennessee's seventh district. we are broadcasting live across the state of tennessee. we welcome viewers from's nations in memphis, jackson, nashville, chattanooga, knoxville and huntsville, alabama. let's meet the panel of journalists who will be asking the tough questions tonight. we have richard ransom an anchor , in memphis. kristen, an anchor in knoxville and bob mueller, anchor in nashville. here is a quick rundown of tonight's debate rules. there are no opening statements. candidates will have 30 seconds each for closing. candidates will get 60 seconds to answer main questions and 40 -- seconds for rebuttal. 30 if there is a follow-up question they will get 30 seconds and the sound of a bell will ring when the time is up. be sure to follow the #senate debate. you can find all the questions that will be asked tonight as well as information on the candidates.
let's get right to the questions. we will begin with bob who is up first. >> good evening and welcome. i would like to start with a couple of your stated views on the issue of the allegations and confirmations of judge kavanagh to the u.s. supreme court. governor you said in nashville , evidence supporting the sexual assault allegations did not rise to the level of disqualifying kavanagh. congressman, you told them that the sexual assault allegations were raised by the democrats as a delay tactic and smear. are you saying you did not believe the accuser, including dr. ford who said it was 100% brett kavanaugh who assaulted is her? >> i want to say thank you to the baker center for their hospitality here tonight. the last time i was in this room was several years ago at a forum with two other tennessee governors.
both republicans on stability and politics. he stood in so many ways for that civility in politics. i am hopeful that despite the negative advertising we can have a civil debate tonight. i wanted to take my time with this because i think the obligation of the senator is to consider all the facts and not simply come out ahead of time because of the person's party. i came to the conclusion that all things being equal, i do not think those our negations rose to the level of disqualification from the supreme court. [bell] >> congresswoman to do not believe the allegations? >> i want to say thank you to the baker center and also to tennessee center for watching tonight. we are thinking of those that have friends and family in the
path of the storm and we hope that they are going to be safe. welcome back, i know that he went home to new york to meet with michael bloomberg, raise some money, talk about gun control and could have even talked it little bit about being a running mate in 2020. when it comes to the issue of judge kavanagh, tennesseans wanted to see judge kavanagh confirmed. hillary clinton gave 33,000 dollars, if she was president you would not have had a judge kavanagh. it took a while to make his mind up. he finally did or it could have been because of the sexual harassment claims in his administration when he was governor. he actually said he did not think men and women -- [bell] >> you get to respond. >> that was the shortest civil debate we have had in a long time. to finish my thought on judge
kavanagh, i really believe that it is vitally important that this subject of sexual harassment not be weaponize. i thought both parties did not advance the cause at all. i wanted to take my time, came to a decision and i am satisfied with it. >> phil said he did not think that when men and women were in the workplace together you have issues of sexual harassment. i think that is something that is an insult to women in the workplace. maybe he thinks i ought not to be on the stage tonight. the point is, you need to be certain that judges who are constitutional judges like judge kavanagh are going to be there. if phil had his way you would not have this. >> as a follow-up, you said there was really no politically good answer. some in your party are now
criticizing you for supporting kavanagh. your opponent is saying you only came out and supportive cabin -- in support of kavanagh after it was a done deal. if you had to do this again, with there be a different outcome? >> if i had to do the process again, no. i wanted to listen to it and to not say as a congressman did within 20 seconds of him being nominated that he should be confirmed, to actually have hearings. a lot of stuff came up at the end of that process and i think we went appropriately. i wish there had been a lot more information, a real fbi investigation could have changed my mind in the outcome. >> a follow-up on monday, president trump called the whole process a hoax and said all the allegations of sexual assault were fake statements, horrible statement that were totally untrue. do you agree with the president? >> what we found out through the
process was this was pretty much a stunt by the democrats. the washington democrat said that they would do everything they could possibly do in order to be able to block this nomination. they've did the character assassination and it was dirty politics. tennesseans wanted to see justice kavanagh confirmed. i said early on after reviewing i would support him. i am certain something happened to dr. ford at some point in her life. >> we are going to continue now with a kavanagh line of questioning here. dr. christine ford testified that justice kavanagh assaulted her more than 35 years ago when the two were attending high school. if your child or grandchild was in dr. ford's shoes, would you
advise him or her to come forward with these allegations? >> absolutely. i think one of the things of the me too movement is that our daughters and granddaughters know that when they make a complaint, that they are going to be listened to. like so many women, when you feel the sting of discrimination or discounting, or diminishment, or condescension, or harassment, r that in every form. the good thing is that the shame is on the perpetrator. you know that is where the shame will be placed. that is a positive. it is not placed on the victim at this point. we know that phil had issues in his administration. there was a past the friends of phil were sexual harassment claims were handled.
it was also the path for everyone else. what happened? the voices of those women were shredded. they died in that shredder. [bell] >> governor, would you advise your child or grandchild to go public with these allegations? >> today, with a sensitivity that we have to these issues, i certainly would, yes. i also understand that 30 years ago the conditions were different and someone might have felt differently. i also understand, remember, my wife is someone who has worked for 30 years with victims of sexual abuse in both women and children. she has taught me a lot about all the impediments that there are to women coming forward and all the reasons why someone might not step out at that particular point. i don't consider the fact of someone not coming forward at the time to be an issue at all in that regard. in regard to the congressman talking about the stuff in my administration.
we had an issue with someone. we got rid of that person the next day. we tried to help the victim every way we could. we do not maintain notes of those because they are public record. the reason we don't maintain notes is to help the victim. [bell] >> 30 seconds for rebuttal. >> what we know is that the women probably lost their job or they were told to resign. the guys got promoted. the friends of phil got promoted. some are probably sitting in the viewing room watching this debate this evening. it is imperative that women know that they will be listened to. as i said one of the benefits of , the me too movement is that our daughters and granddaughters know that they are going to be heard. >> governor, would you like to respond? >> i cannot imagine how you can possibly say that.
the individual who perform these acts was gone the next day from the governor's office. the woman who had been assaulted had all the support we could possibly give her any did not change her job in anyway. what you are saying is flat wrong. >> would you like to respond? >> it was reported in the associated press and in the tennessean so i guess what phil is saying is that the reporting was flat wrong. >> i certainly have nothing to add to that. i know what the facts of the matter are. that woman was protected in every way we knew how. >> let's move on to health care. according to a recent poll by nbc news, one of the things tennessee voters care more about is health care. we know the three most popular aspects of the affordable care act our coverage for pre-existing conditions, staying on your parents help insurance
-- health insurance until you are 26 years old, and the no lifetime cap. would you support making most part of a future overhaul of the aca? >> those items are very important. i was not a supporter of the aca when it came out. once it became the law of the land it was our obligation to move forward and support it. it has done a number of good things. one of the most important is this protection against pre-existing conditions. if you have those conditions today, it is really only a major corporations health plan, or the affordable care act that provides any protection for those. when you do, as the congressman has done, which is to vote time and time again to repeal the affordable care act without having anything to replace it,
you are voting to remove the ability for anyone with pre-existing conditions to obtain health care. that is wrong. >> what would you do about those three? congressman blackburn: actually, every plan i have voted for includes pre-existing conditions. that was a republican condition, as was older children staying on their parents plan. that is something that is going to stay there. we know if he had his way and hillary were president, he gave her $33,400, wanted her to be president, hillary clinton is the mother of government run health care. that is the concept that phil supports. he has written a book about it. talks about putting a 20% surcharge on your income in order to pay for it. tennesseans do not want government controlled health care. tennesseans want to be able to
make their health care decisions with their physician. that is something that i support. giving tennesseans that power. we know what the affordable care act has done to tennessee. [bell] >> you have 30 seconds for a rebuttal. gov. bredesen: i have heard so much about this book. if you had actually read the book congressman, which i suspect you have not, in the introduction i talk about the importance of not having the congress and the leadership designing health plan for this country, but instead setting up the incentive so that the muscular economic system that we have in our country, and the creativity we have to and solve this problem for us. [bell] >> your turn. congressman blackburn: actually, he said washington democrats
knew how to solve health care. i think the private sector knows how to solve access to health care. he said this was barack obama's most significant achievement. health insurance has gone up 176% under the affordable care act. so many tennesseans have been priced out of the health insurance marketplace. we had 160,000 tennessee families have to pay the insurance penalty. >> cost is an issue. governor, you say you are in favor of keeping those pre-provisions. how will you pay for them? gov. bredesen: that is the entire issue with having these is how you pay for it. the affordable care act was paid for with a combination of things, which are various pieces. those could be used as the basis for putting together a better system that is more responsive. right now we have the affordable care act. we have 225,000 tennesseans were
depending on it for health care. [bell] >> just to clarify, you are for all three of those provisions? congressman blackburn: these are things included. >> how would you continue to pay for those? congressman blackburn: one thing that has to be done is opening up the marketplace. the affordable care act is unaffordable. people cannot afford this. open up the market place. it is something that will allow individuals, families to buy insurance that meets their needs at a price that they can afford. phil and hillary clinton, who he wanted to be president would want the government to run health care, hillary care. >> let's talk about social security. this is the first time the social security program will have to dip into its own reserves to cover benefits. also, projections from the board of trustees show the trust fund will be depleted by 2034.
obviously a fix is needed. would you support raising the retirement age over the kind cap of 67 years of age to maintain full benefits? congressman blackburn: thank you for that. one of the things we hear from our current seniors is why in the world does in congress move forward and establish medicare and social security? because of the long-term liabilities on these, making certain that we give our current seniors assurance that these are going to stay in place, and that their benefits are not going to be diminished. that is something that is very important. phil supported barack obama and called obamacare is significant achievement. that took $700 billion out of the medicare trust fund. this is unfair to our seniors, it is money that has come out of their paycheck. it is money that should be there
for them, for their health care and for their retirement needs. >> would you consider raising the cap? gov. bredesen: social security is a trust fund. it is the only trust fund we really have for any of those programs. it has begun to dip into it now and in another 10 or 15 years it will have done itself out. i do not support in any way, in essence reducing the benefits by either raising the age or any of the other and mechanisms doing that. i think we should do what ronald reagan did which is step up to a small increase in the social security tax to fully fund the social security trust fund. part of the strength of that program has always been that it is properly funded through this tax and people can be assured of having those benefits when they are available. medicare part a has problems as well.
these need to be dealt with and a host of ways. there are a lot of ways to reduce the cost and the draw in that. >> your rebuttal. congressman blackburn: social security does not operate as a trust fund as it should. they write an iou and it puts money in the general fund and they spend it. barack obama ran our debt in this country from 10 trillion to $21 trillion. in my opinion, that is something that is absolutely immoral. fill in the washington democrats would take us back to those of obama/clinton policies and continue to spend that money. [bell] >> your rebuttal. gov. bredesen: there is no question but that the trust fund
has been invested in treasury security. it is still a trust fund. frankly, i think it is better to have the money in treasury securities than it is with having the government on large parts of the stock market. it is a trust fund, it is segregated in that sense. they have the most collateral available which is u.s. treasury securities. >> time now to talk gun control. there has been debate about mental illness and guns. we've seen one incident in mental healthe has played a part in mass shooting that for four people were killed at a waffle house. we will do something different with this question. we will give you both time to elaborate on your thoughts on this. first we want to get a show of hands. raise your hand if you are in favor of enhancing the red flag system which identifies people with or who have suspicion of mental health issues as part of background checks for gun buyers? i want to go on the record, both
are raising your hand. these are elaborate, governor. gov. bredesen: the school shootings, first of all, are unbelievably difficult for this country. i cannot imagine what it is like to be a parent of the student, let alone a parent whose child was killed or seriously injured in that fashion. i think there are basic things that we can do, including enhancing background checks, properly funding nics. in important think would be to have a mechanism to identify people from a mental health perspective where they are not suitable for handling and owning weapons. i think had such a thing been in place, there are two of these last school shootings that could have been prevented. i think it should be judicially mandated, not something done by an administrator somewhere to give people protections used arbitrarily. one of the most effective things
we could ever do to prevent these is to get serious about keeping guns out of the hands of people who are problematic. >> you also raised her hand in support of a red flag system for background checks. explain why. congressman blackburn: i think we can protect the second amendment and also protect our citizens and public laces. that is something we have done throughout our nation's history. i have supported enhancing the system. i will tell you nobody wants somebody who is a danger to themselves or other to have a firearm in their possession. i have been a room mother and spent times in schools. you want to make sure those children are safe. making those resources available. i am endorsed by the fraternal order of police because they know that i were carefully with
them. i am also endorsed by the nra. i have an a rating from them. we each sought their endorsement. he has a d rating from them. if you had the democrats in control and if hillary clinton, who he wanted to be president was president, you would see them taking away your guns. >> governor, 30 seconds for rebuttal. gov. bredesen: i want to just reaffirm again, please, i have been a gun owner all of my life. i grew up in a rural community. i am a strong supporter of second amendment rights. those are important rights of american citizens. the way we exercise those rights responsibly is by putting reasonable controls in place. i got crossways with the in ouray when i vetoed a bill that i vetoed a nra when bill that allowed people to carry guns in bars. i thought that was crazy and stupid. i vetoed the bill and it made
them very mad. congressman blackburn: phil was in new york last night with michael bloomberg. michael bloomberg is one of the leading advocates for gun control in this country. i fully believe we can protect the second amendment and we can protect guns. you are right to own a gun. that democrats bring you judges and justices like justice sonja sotomayor who says she does not think you have a fundamental right to own a gun. [bell] >> let's have one more question related to the second amendment. last week president trump announced a ban on bump stocks. during a news conference he says we are knocking out bump stocks. i told the national rifle association that bump stocks are gone. these stocks allow semi automatic weapons to operate like a fully automatic gun. some gun advocates oppose the president on this issue. under any conditions, would you consider restricting or banning
military assault style weapons, or any device that can modify firearms in this way? congressman blackburn: i will tell you, this is something the house has already done. one of the reasons i am running for senate is because it is dysfunctional and they don't get around to taking up some of the things that are there that they ought to be taking up dealing -- dealing with bump stocks is a great example. hearts were broken with what happened in las vegas. you have the nashville community, the music community very affected by that. if you had the democrats and the washington democrats in control, they will tell you one of the things that they want to do is to diminish your second amendment rights. that is not what tennesseans want. phil would be right there with the washington democrats. he was at michael bloomberg's
last night. that is the focus of gun control. tennesseans want to make certain we do this the right way. >> under any conditions would you consider banning military assault weapons or devices that could turn them into that. gov. bredesen: first of all, the bump stocks turn weapons into something that is more effective and more dangerous than a straight military style weapon. it involves a much more rapid kind of fire then you can get with the one of these assault rifles. i absolutely believe the bump stocks are to be banned. it is a good example of reasonable restrictions that can protect our second amendment rights. i think the cat is out of the bag, as it were with the assault weapons. there are between 10 and 20 million of them in the country today. i just cannot see where it would be practical.
i also know a lot of people who enjoy owning them and using them for hunting. i think they do not represent danger to anyone. i want to reaffirm that i strongly support the right of any citizen to own weapons subject to reasonable restrictions like we describe. >> you have 30 seconds for a rebuttal. congressman blackburn: one of the things we want to do is to make certain that we protect the second amendment. this is what tennesseans continue to say to me. let's protect people in our public spaces. let's make certain we harden our schools. that we use new technology on those schools. but that we protect the second amendment. i am again endorsed by the nra and have an a rating from the nra. i look forward to continuing to work with the order of police on
public safety. >> 30 seconds in your rebuttal, governor. gov. bredesen: simply to say again, i really believe that americans, there are a lot of americans from all different parts of the political spectrum, this is not a democratic or republican issue, or liberal issue. who enjoy the right to own arms and understand there should be reasonable restrictions on things like bump stocks and the stuff we have talked about before with mental health. to me that is a sound plays. i do not think this is a partisan issue. >> we are almost halfway through what will be the last debate between the two of you. >> you are watching the tennessee senate debate and we are broadcasting live across the state of tennessee. i remind you to follow the #tn senate debate. we will get background information as well as live updates. we are back in a moment with more questions for the candidates.
welcome back to the tennessee senate debate. we are broadcasting live from the baker center on the campus of the university of tennessee in knoxville. i the evening anchor for watn. am i want to remind you to shtag so you can get live updates on each of the questions we are about to ask. >> we are going to start this next half-hour with a question about immigration. the president implemented a zero-tolerance policy for border security as a way to reduce the number of illegal immigrants coming into the united states. the policy included family separation. we know several hundred children remain separated from their parents. so do you believe this was an effective tool to discourage illegal immigrants from coming into the united states? gov. bredesen: no, i do not
believe it was an effective tool. this might or might not have been amounted to child abuse. it was a stain on our countries reputation. it is what will be studied in future years by school students as an inappropriate time in american history. i hope we can reunite those children as rapidly as possible. i want to say, i believe very strongly in controlling our borders. there's no question about that. when i was governor we were one of the first states to send national guard troops down to the arizona border to help in that process. i think there are much better ways of doing it then building a wall. in today's world, with the technology we have, we can do it more effectively and less expensively. i think the wall is political theater. we need to control our borders. there is no question about it. it is something we ought to do about it in a bipartisan fashion. >> do you believe this was an
effective tool to discourage illegal immigrants from coming into our country? congressman blackburn: this is an issue i raised in 2014 when i visited some of these facilities and brought to the attention the problems with the daca program and the problem with some of these families. i tell you where a zero-tolerance policy is working. we have found there are fewer drugs coming across that southern border. this is news that we have released today. we know if phil had his way and hillary was president, and he wanted her to be president, he gave her $33,400, the democrats have advocated for open borders for abolishing ice. we need to secure the border. he thinks building the wall is political theater. let me tell you something, tennesseans want to see that wall built.
open border policies have made every town a border town and every state a border state. certainly in tennessee. >> 30 seconds to respond. gov. bredesen: you seem to have a crystal ball talking about what i will do when i am a u.s. senator. i will act the same way i did when i was a governor. which is independently. i was an equal opportunity offender both parties in washington. looking at these issues independently and trying to decide what the best solution is and stop with all this ideological stuff. it is time to get beyond that in this country. immigration is a perfect example. congressman blackburn: we know that what the democrats have tried to do is push to abolish ice. we know that these open border policies are something that have
allowed ms13 gangs into our communities. they make our communities less safe. sex trafficking, human trafficking, drug trafficking, this is something that washington democrats have pushed, a policy that they have pushed, abolish ice, open up the border. >> we do have a follow-up. governor, you call the wall a political theater. there is one estimate out there saying that to build an actual physical wall would cost nearly $70 billion. what would you like to see us do if we had $70 billion to have treating border security? gov. bredesen: first of all, that is a huge amount of money to spend on anything like that. the wall strikes me as something out of the last century that you would think of doing. we have electronic surveillance, we have drones, we have electronic sensors, you will still have troops and ice
members who are close by where the border crossings happen. whether or not there is a wall. i would put the money into much more sophisticated kinds of electronic and more modern technology. >> congressman, are you willing to spend the estimated $70 billion on a physical wall? >> walls work. just ask israel. when you look at the impact of our nation of an open border and drug trafficking, sex trafficking, human trafficking, you know it is imperative that we protect this country and we secure the southern border. it is not political theater to talk about building a wall and protecting this nation. when he was governor he gave driving certificates to 51,000 illegal aliens. made our state a haven. >> congressman, are you willing to spend $70 billion for that wall? congressman blackburn: if the ends up costing what
$70 billion, tennesseans say is build a wall and secure our country because of the impact. let me give you a great example of this. i was visiting with -- >> i want to ask you to grade bob corker on his performance as senator. there is a look at our scale. a is excellent, d is below average, f is failure. we want you to elaborate but we want your grade first. what grade would you give him? congressman blackburn: i would give senator corker an a. gov. bredesen: i would give him an a too. >> explain why you would give senator corker the grade you did. congressman blackburn: i have enjoyed working with senator corker on different issues. one of those that we are working on this week is the issue with sex trafficking.
i will be working on him with -- with him on this issue friday. this is something that has affected our community and our state. they conducted the largest sex trafficking sting that has been conducted. 22 people arrested in that sting. this is something that so affects our young women. when you hear the stories of how these traffickers prey on children that are in foster care, this is absolutely heartbreaking. i know senator corker has worked hard on this issue. i appreciate that he has been diligent on this issue. [bell] >> you also gave the senator an a. gov. bredesen: the senator is obviously of a different party. these are issues on which we have a different take.
what i admired about him in the job is he was somebody who did his homework. a lot of senators party in the evening and have lobbyist take them to dinner. corker sat down and tried to figure out the answer to things. i always thought his views on things, whether or not i agreed with them, were thoughtful and well thought out. he provided a useful perspective . i had a lot of interaction with him during the time i was governor on economic development kinds of issues. when we were working at volkswagen coming to the state, he was anonymously helpful in that and played a huge role in doing that. it's something i feel a lot about and is something i would like to do myself or whoever is governor, that effectiveness of having people from both parties working together really works. >> you gave that grade of an a despite criticism of the
president that he has engaged in. many felt that he gave less than a full endorsement of you. congressman blackburn: i have enjoyed working with senator corker, and i am running hard to make sure i keep senator corker on the republican side of the aisle. that is important to do. senator alexander tells a great story about making search and deskaking certain that that stays on the republican side of the aisle. we don't wanted to go with the washington democrats. that is where it would go. he would pick that up and it would be somewhere between bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. >> after the primary, senator corker said of you he is a friend, he was a very good mayor, good governor and good is -- business person. that drew a lot of attention. some might think that your good grade is payback for him not campaigning against you that hard.
gov. bredesen: no, i think i would have said the same thing before. i have known him for a long time. as i say, i don't agree on every single issue with him. i think he was a good senator for our state. i think that he is especially in the area of foreign relation. he has performed a real service for the country. that would be my grade. >> candidates, as you know our country is very divided politically. some call it tribal, two sides, no middle. we see it in vicious political campaign ads, we sought in that -- saw it in the kavanaugh hearings. governor, your opponents a you will never oppose chuck schumer on anything. voters do not like it, nothing gets done. why do you believe this is become the atmosphere during this election cycle and how do you change it?
gov. bredesen: it has become the standard and i am very sad to see that. we have in our country, especially when we deal with deep things, we have done them on bipartisan places. the civil rights act was bipartisan. i think we need to get back to that, especially in dealing with big issues. we have been talking about immigration, it is a huge issue that has been developing for 30 or 40 years in this country. there are 10 or 11 million undocumented immigrants in our country. i think we have to stop making this into a tribal issue where you are setting democrats against republicans, settle down and use that spirit of bipartisanship to find some solution. this is a big issue we will have to tackle in this country in the next few years. >> why do you think we are where we are politically? congressman blackburn: it is something that is concerned to
all of us. i think when you look at the senate and the brokenness of the senate, not getting things done, it is a concern. i have been recognized as a bipartisan leader in congress for getting things done, pushing forward things, ideas that have bipartisan support. we know phil wanted hillary to be president. she called us all deplorable. he gave her $33,400. yesterday she said you cannot be , civil with the party that opposes your ideas. you had the former ag say when they are down, kick them. you had one of the colleagues at a prayer breakfast for phil saying he wished marcia would jump off a bridge. this is the kind of rhetoric that is not helpful. it is important to keep campaigns focused on issues, to focus on things that people have done while they are in office, then to draw that context. [bell] >> your rebuttal.
we are going which to find some way beyond this atbalism is going to find least a few issues to start working on together where there is some possibility of finding common ground. daca.at is obvious is where people want the problem solved. i would love to see both parties get out of this is this of making it a travel issue -- tribal issue. >> i think finding a way forward is about leadership. this is a great opportunity to show how to work together. that is something i have a solid record of doing. whether telecommunications policy, working on issues such as daca.
the only bill passed in the house, my legislation, it has passed twice. >> thank you, congressman. thank you both. trump has proposed creating another branch of the military called the space force. cost $13imated to billion. do you support spending the money on this? isestablishing space force something whose time has come. when you look at the utilization of all the new technologies that are out there, you look at fort campbell here in our state.
this is something we have a chance to bring part of this to our state. we have the chance to bring part of it here and we should. 21st-century about warfare and you talk to our men and women in uniform, they will tell us so much fighting will be done in the virtual space. of drones.tion >> do you support spending this kind of money on a space force? allet me say -- first of how important i think a strong military is to our country. we have played a major role in our world ever since world war ii. which is supported in large part by the enormous success of our military. i will do do -- anything i possibly can to support that.
i would like to know more about the space force before i sign on to that idea. in particular, what it does that be air force would not appropriate to do. any time you start another branch of service, there is a chance for more overhead. i would not want the space force fighting with the air force about who gets resources. i have an open mind but i would want to know more about it for i send on -- signed on. >> 32nd rebuttal. >> - if hillary clinton were president and he wanted her to be president, we would have a weaker military. under the obama administration, what you had was cutting the troops. cutting their funding. it to people who do not wish us well. taking money out of the military
they needed to do their mission. that is what you would have had. >> governor, your response. >> i am not really proposing a campaign proposing putting cash on pallets and going to our enemies. i think this is a serious subject. our military strength. i am very open to the idea of changing things. i want to do it very carefully. we have a successful military. it is the strongest in the world. let is not mess around -- let's not mess around until we know what we are doing. >> just today, ford announced it will be cutting its workforce by as much as 12 percent due to the tariffs on steel. here in tennessee, officials have criticized tariffs on steel and soybeans, saying they are hurting tennessee businesses and farmers. president trump unveiled his new nafta plan called usmca.
this is designed to help tennessee area farmers and automotive workers, but congress still needs to vote on it. do you support the idea? does it do enough to offset the harms the tariffs are doing? does it do enough to support tennessee? >> i support it. i think it is more rebranded nafta than anything significantly different, but it does advance the issue somewhat. the important thing is it does not address in any way the steel and aluminum tariffs. they are vastly more influential on the economy of our state than the dairy and other things are. we have spent 30-plus years starting with lamar alexander a strongup automotive industry, and these really are threatening the industry. when you hear from leaders in the state in the automotive industry, they are scared to death what this will do to that long-term investment here in our state.
the other concern i've got about the changes to nafta is we got some benefits, but, boy, we sure burned a lot of bridges and caused a lot of hard feelings and mistrust. this is not a real estate deal where people walk away. >> thank you, governor. you said you are not a fan of these tariffs. do you need to be stronger? >> i am not a fan of tariffs. never have been. i am for free and fair trade. when you talk to our farmers, they will tell you they want trade, not aid. i've spent a lot of time advocating for manufacturers, producers, and farmers. with the usmca, you have a lot of those in our auto parts, auto manufacturing and aftermarket auto parts industries very hopeful for this. i tell you who else likes this is our dairy farmers. what they did not like was the trade policies from barack obama and hillary clinton that brought about some of these provisions
that did not serve them well, that cut off markets instead of expanding markets, and our farmers want to make certain that they have bilateral trade agreements. that is where they would like to see us go. so would many of our producers. they are hopeful you are going to see a european agreement soon, an eu agreement. >> thank you. does more need to be done for these tariffs hurting tennessee businesses and workers? >> i really believe these tariffs are in essence a job-killing tax on tennessee businesses. we have issues with china, for example, intellectual property and difficulties doing business. they need to be dealt with one-on-one through those and not through broad actions like putting these tariffs in place. this economic impact these are having -- it is starting to hit in some places like -- [bell tolls] >> thank you, governor.
congressman, you get the final word. >> china has had a trade war on us or decades, and if we are in this trade war, we better be sure we win, and i'm so pleased we have china at the table talking because we need to bring those jobs back. look what happened under bill clinton with nafta. tennesseans saw thousands of jobs leave this state and now we need to bring them back. under the policies of hillary clinton -- [bell rings] >> final question for you both. hopefully it is easy for you. we know the polls are tight in this race, but the bottom line is november 6, only one of you on this stage is going to be senator elect. we want to first at a yes or no you and from each of
then i will allow you to elaborate. will tennessee be in good hands if your opponent is elected? >> a think it would be in better hands with me. >> i will take that as a maybe. i don't know. governor, your response? >> i think in part, what we have to do in this is except the accept the outcome of elections. >> tennesseans want to make certain they will have someone who will be there to take their tennessee values to washington, d.c. phil told us he is running to end the dry spell for democrats in tennessee, and he had wanted hillary clinton to be president. she called us deplorable. he told us roll up your sleeves, go to work for her, gave her $33,400. that is not the agenda that people want. they don't want democrats in control of the senate. they don't what dianne feinstein running judiciary. they don't want bernie sanders running the budget committee. they don't want elizabeth warren running the senate finance
committee. they don't want senator lamar alexander to give his chairmanship up to patty murray, 's leading nation caus advocate for government-run single-payer health care. tennesseans want someone who is going to work hard to make certain that donald trump's agenda gets done because they voted for that agenda. >> governor, why did you give the answer you gave? >> first of all, i did not think you could possibly beat the number of mentions you made of chuck schumer in our last debate, but i believe you have with hillary clinton here tonight. let me say i have talked enduring -- during this campaign about the need to stop the tribalism and come together, and i guess the logical extension of that is you have a campaign like this, and it's hard-fought and there are hard feelings and so on, but when it's over, it needs to be over. if it turns out my opponent wins
this election, which i do not think will happen but certainly might, i think it is important for all tennesseans, democrats and republicans, to gather around and support and try to help her be the best senator she possibly can be. >> thank you. >> we appreciate very much. that concludes our questions and we appreciate your answers. you get 30 seconds each for a closing statement. >> i do think this is a very simple election. if you like washington the way it is today and the partisanship and the lines in the sand, i'm not your guy. you got somebody who has a lot of experience, 16 years of it, and is good at it. if you want to start moving things forward and changing things and bringing fresh air into the place, getting things done, i think that is my record. i would be proud to represent tennessee once again. you have heard me say that i'm applying for the job, and i want to say right now i'm ready for it. >> thank you, governor. >> you have seen very different visions of how tennesseans would be represented tonight.
i'm going to take tennessee values to washington, d.c., to represent you. phil will support the clinton agenda, the washington democrats. i will be there to make certain that i get judges write every -- right every time because i will. i will support your second amendment. i'm going to make certain that our borders are secure. i'm going to support making certain you keep your tax cut. >> thank you again very much. >> that concludes tonight's debate. i'm kristin farley. thanks for joining us and have a good night. >> with election day less than a -- >> with election day less than a month away and the control of congress in question, see the competition for yourself on c-span. the watch the debate from key
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