tv Campaign 2018 Illinois 13th District U.S. House Debate CSPAN October 31, 2018 7:01pm-8:01pm EDT
for campaign 2018. >> the candidates in the illinois 13th congressional district, incumbent rodney davis and democratic challenger betsy inksen londrigan faced public debate. it runs an hour. >> from the university of illinois, a debate between candidates for the 13th congressional district. brought to you by illinois public media. >> good evening. welcome to the 13th congressional district debate. onm host of the 21st illinois public media. this district is one of the largest in central illinois. it stretches from east central illinois to the mississippi river in the west and down to the suburbs of st. louis. tonight incumbent republican representative rodney davis faces his democratic challenger, betsy dirksen londrigan. on behalf of illinois public
media, i would like to thank the partners who make tonight 's debate possible. the league of women voters are our timekeepers. we will also follow league guidelines and have the candidates keep the focus on their own views and not their opponent. we have already seen plenty of campaign ads. we will not be taking questions from our audience. but we wanted the debate to reflect what is on the mind of voters across the district. we have been gathering questions. in all, more than 60 questions from students and residents. don't worry, we are not going to ask all 60 of those. that is what the majority of where our questions will come from. we have journalists who will keep this on track to answer questions and ask questions of their own this evening. jacqueline driscoll for npr illinois. here is how this evening will go. myself or the panelists will introduce a question.
both candidates will have two minutes each to answer. we will allow for a one minute rebuttal if necessary. there will also not be opening or closing statements. we are going to jump right in. i would like to thank our first in studio audience who are with us this evening. our audience has agreed to hold their applause or audible reactions during debate on it except for right now as we welcome our candidates, republican rodney davis and democrat betsy dirksen londrigan. >> [applause] >> we flipped a coin, and betsy dirksen londrigan will get the first question about education. our questions actually include many from high schools in the area. urbana high school. decatur's eisenhower high school. the first question comes by video from riley, a student at
eisenhower. decatur17 years old at illinois. i will be attending college next fall. my question is what is your stance on free college for everyone? >> betsy dirksen londrigan. ms. londrigan: i want to say thank you for having us. thank you to congressman davis to be here. it is fun. i'm looking forward to this. what i would say about free college is i think we need to focus on lowering the hurdles that so many college students face getting an education. there are a few things. we need to make sure we are talking to kids in high school about options. there are great apprenticeship programs, great vocational programs, and there are great university programs. when they go to apply to college, helping them to understand the financial implications. people do have to take out student loans. we have hundred 80,000 students
here in the 13th congressional district. the average student graduates with $30,000 in debt. that is insane. we can do better. we can lower the interest rates. students that do have college debt can refinance. we can also think outside the box, but, and -- the box a little bit, and think about how students in colleges can align interests. something we have talked about throughout the campaign is introducing something like income share agreement programs. while students do not incur costs up front, they sign a contract so that after they graduate, a certain percentage of their income for a certain number of years goes back to the school. that means the college also has a vested interest in making sure that student receives a great education, that they are job ready, and helps with job placement. these are ideas we have talked about in our town halls in the district.
for so many families, college is a struggle. there are a lot of different ways we can help reduce the hurdle, make it affordable and move forward. >> her question was, should tuition be free? is that a yes or no? >> i think parents and people that i talk to throughout the district one of make sure students have skin in the game, too. that is why the income share agreement programs are a good compromise. they don't have the cost upfront. they do at the other side agree to pay back the school. i think there are other things we can do in terms of community colleges. we have great community colleges here in the district where people can go to get two year aucation, two years at community, two years at a four, but i don't see free college on the horizon. i see ways to make it more affordable for everybody.
>> representative davis? rep. davis: riley, if you are watching, thank you for the question. a great question. i look forward to seeing what college you decide to attend. i am not for giving free education. frankly, nothing is free. somebody is going to have to pay for it, either through higher taxes, your parents are going to pay, or you are going to have to pay through higher taxes. what we need to do is focus on the cost of college. college has become unaffordable for many families. i am the parent of a college senior and two boys who are high school seniors. college affordability is an issue we discussed in our family. blessed. we can afford college for my daughter. we like other families have invested in savings plans. there are many options for many families. but we have to make sure our institutions of higher learning
understand it is not just about what a student is eligible to ebt theynd the d could leave the college with. betsy is right. students at the for-profit universities that i serve, the eight community college districts i serve, they are dealing with way too much debt. we have seen schools like the university of illinois freeze tuition. that is a good first step. but we have to pass things like my bill called the employee participation student assistance act. it is going to allow companies to invest in their new employees, and their graduates, both through vocational education, be it through an four-year degree. this will allow companies to pay back student debt. students would not have to pay taxes on it. this is an idea that has widespread support in washington and i am optimistic we are going to put it through. frankly it has the potential to save the taxpayers $4 billion a
year, just by covering the debt students may default on. >> would you like a rebuttal? ms. londrigan: we have to make sure we are fully funding pell grants and making adjustments for the cost of living. another idea is expanding work-study programs. a lot of students who are applying to college for the first time whose parents did not attend college. if we expand work study, take some of the students in college and have them go back to high schools help students navigate the college application process, the financial aid process, that is a win-win for everybody. i would love to see us expand for student loan forgiveness. we have a lot of needs that throughout the district that could be served by students graduating doing a couple of years of public service and eliminating student debt. >> the next question comes from
our panel. >> congressman davis, recent changes made by the education department and betsy devos have allowed the dismissal of hundreds of civil rights complaint against schools and campuses. the protocol allows the office for civil rights to disregard cases considered to be a burden on the office. what message does this decision send to students and family? rep. davis: i want every student to feel safe where they attend. i don't always agree with the administration when it comes to education. i'm glad my opponent and i agree we need to fully fund pell grants offered to those who can least afford to attend college, those families struggling to find resources to send their child on to a two-year or for your institution. opportunities abound in higher education to find that affordable option we can put forth for our kids. it is working with the
department of education to make sure they understand our students need to feel safe on every campus. as the father of a daughter who has been in college, i fear every day something may happen to my child. i know parents throughout this nation have that same fear. but we also trust the universities are doing everything they can to protect those students on every campus. we trust that our sons and daughters are going to be able to get that education they are striving for and that they deserve. ms. londrigan: i worry a lot about these rollbacks of protections. i see kids over the 13th district, young men and women. i know i have had my own experience dropping my children off at school. it was an entirely different experience dropping my boys off and dropping my daughter off. a different set of concerns.
i wish that was not the truth, but it is. when i drop the boys off, we have a lot of talks about what was expected. we talk a lot about campus safety and looking out for other people. but when i drop my daughter off, i was really angry. i was not prepared for that emotion, but i was angry. with her, i felt like her personal safety is in jeopardy. we hear these stories all the time. with her, i had to go around and i needed to know where every is. -- where every blue light is. every one of the emergency lights students use if they have a problem. i had her plug the campus police into her phone, because she very well might need it. until our campuses are safe for young men and women alike, we have a lot of work to do.
>> congressman, would you like to make a rebuttal? rep. davis: i know our campuses are doing everything they can to protect every single student. processes need to be in place when that protection does not happen for every student. my biggest fear taking my boys to college next year in this politically polarized environment, i don't want somebody to do something to them because of who their dad is. that is what concerns me as a dad right now with two kids moving on to college. that is why we have to come together, republicans and democrats, and do what we can to talk about how we can get along and find solutions without such politically charged rhetoric, not just at our campuses but as society as a whole. >> let's move on to health care. we have separate questions for each candidate. this question comes from leroy
in decatur. it is directed to ms. dirkson londrigan. . his voicemail - here is his voicemail he left. >> how is she going to pay for all this free insurance she wants everybody to get? nothing is free. where is all this money coming from? >> thank you, leroy. i have not been talking about any free insurance. that is a new one. i got into this race because of health care. for our family nine years ago, everything changed. our son was 12 at the time. was bit by a tick. andeveloped spider fever became septic. we spent 21 days with him at the pediatric care unit. i know for our family, if we had not had access to good care, i would be a mom of two and not three. if we had not had good insurance at the time, it would have bankrupt our family. with the aca, we looked at the caps.
that continues to save us. i have no put almost 60,000 miles in our car, getting around our big beautiful district. we just finished our 14th town hall. i can tell you this. the only thing that makes our family's story unique is that it is ours. every family has their own health care story. what i want to do is first fix the aca. i know it does not work for everybody. even our family dinners on sundays, on side of the table it works for some but not the other end. what we don't want to do is repeal it and lose essential health benefits. we want to make sure we fix the aca first. then what i would love to see us do is have a public option of medicare for smaller communities and small business owners. these are things we talk about at the town hall. these are things that make sense. i am not asking anybody -- i am
not promoting any sort of free insurance. what i am promoting is a public medicare option that will help drive down costs. >> you said you support maybe free insurance, but creating a public option to compete with private insurers. that would cost more money. how would you suggest that? ms. londrigan the people pay, just like an insurance company. if they are paying the public option, they have an additional cost. it is not the same as it would be for senior citizens over 65. >> that question was directed specifically to ms. dirkson londrigan. the next will come for representative davis. rep. davis: i would like to ask you about medicare. certainly a popular program with senior citizens that you have pledged to support. i am curious why you think it is a bad idea to let anyone buy in. rep. davis: our seniors need to
know they get the benefits they worked their lives for. the plan that many democrats including my opponent have said would be universal coverage has been shown to cost $32 trillion. we could not even double the amount of income taxes on every single american to pay for this. what we need is less government intrusion and we need to fix the broken health care system we were told the affordable care act was going to do. the affordable care act is broken. it is leaving many families behind with premiums of upwards of $24,000 a year if you add in the deductibles. if they are diagnosed with the same disease my wife fought. my wife is a 19 year colon cancer survivor. she was finally diagnosed correctly. because i had good, private insurance and the ability to fire the doctor that
misdiagnosed her, we were able to get her surgery. after six months of chemotherapy, she is now cured. by the grace of god, it has been 19 years. nine years after the diagnosis, out find out -- we found she has a genetic form of cancer called lynch syndrome. it may affect my children. that is why i stand here and everywhere to say, do not believe the lies i'm trying to take away pre-existing condition coverage. that is not the case. i have voted to repeal and replace obamacare with the american health care act. the lies about pre-existing condition coverage being taken away have been scored a four pinocchio by the washington post. read the bill. in the bill, it specifically says nothing in this bill shall allow insurance companies to deny anyone coverage for pre-existing conditions. >> we know pre-existing
conditions and health care is an important topic for many in this district. the next question is related. ads, eache, in present yourself as protecting pre-existing coverage, yet you criticize the other on this issue. can each of you explain how you would protect the availability of affordable health insurance covering pre-existing conditions? ms. londrigan: i would like to correct the record the medicare for all plan i have not supported. i have supported a public option, which is entirely different. when we talk about pre-existing condition coverage, there are facts. to say that congressman davis has supported pre-existing conditions from being discriminated against is incorrect.
he voted 11 times to repeal the aca with no replacement, which effectively eliminates protections for people with pre-existing conditions from being discriminated against. that should be fact checked, and you should look at the aarp and the american cancer society. spirit theyth the also agree the ahca, which is the bill congressman davis promoted on the white house lawn, would have weakened those protections. again, please do fact check that. the aarp, the american cancer society all said that. i am agreeing with them on that. what i want to do is make sure when we fix the aca, we keep those essential health benefits.
i don't want anyone with a pre-existing condition to go back to the dark ages when they cannot get the insurance, or be priced out of it. to say somebody can get it is a different beast than somebody being able to afford it. it needs to be good insurance, it needs to be accessible. it needs to be affordable. >> congressman davis? rep. davis: it is disappointing my opponent is not telling the truth once again. i have not voted 11 times to get rid of pre-existing condition coverage. those votes were votes on budget reconciliation rules. those votes were on budgeting bills that specifically had a replacement language in there. i fought personally, and the vice president last week reminded folks of central illinois that i sat around the
table with him, and my number one priority when writing the american health care act was protecting pre-existing condition coverage. i don't know how much more clear you can get by reading the bill. it specifically says, nothing in this bill shall allow an insurance company to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions. those are the facts. everybody, go to congress.gov. type in the ahca and find out on the bill. we come to this point where i voted to try and fix this broken health care system because so many families are being left behind. a friend of mine, he and his wife were at a parade i saw in hillsboro in they said, you have august. got to fix our broken health care system. his wife was a colon cancer survivor. they were the ones who had to pay upwards of $24,000 in premiums and deductibles if she was diagnosed again.
yes, they have insurance coverage. yes, they have coverage for that pre-existing condition. they would not be able to afford to use that coverage if she was diagnosed again. that is why our plan lowered premiums. our plan made sure we had a replacement that protected those with pre-existing condition coverage. it protected no lifetime caps and protected the ability for young men and women to remain on their parent's insurance until age 26. those are the facts. actually, the american health care act which you voted for created high risk pools for those with pre-existing conditions, which is a little different than the protections offered by the aca. in some states that have high risk pools prior to the aca, some individuals were paying double the premiums and had
lifetime benefit caps. can you clarify the protections you negotiated? rep. davis: absolutely. the language in the bill says, no insurance company can deny anyone for pre-existing condition coverage. we protected the 10 essential health benefits that pre-existing coverage is listed under the affordable care act. we fixed obamacare and kept pre-existing condition coverage. that would mean anyone who would want to set up an invisible risk pool, the state of maine saved seniors an average of $7,000 a year in premiums, they would have to protect pre-existing condition coverage. that is the bill we passed we wanted to sign into law. you cannot get away from the language that says nothing in this bill could construe an insurance company could deny pre-existing condition coverage to anyone. i would urge you to read the ahca and you will see that.
>> since this was your initial question, you have a minute. ms. londrigan: that is career politician speak for do not look too close. it is not saying they cannot deny it. what it is not doing his saying they can't be discriminated against for affordability. somebody being allowed to get insurance is one thing. somebody being able to afford insurance his different -- insurance is a different beast. that was the protection that the ahca weakened. that is why the aarp, why the american cancer society, that is why the american congressional budget office said that. >> the next question, moving on to the economy and taxes. >> the unemployment rate in
illinois is 4.1%, the lowest on record. the economy is growing at a strong pace, with the federal reserve estimating the gross domestic product will rise 3% this year. but according to the u.s. treasury, the federal deficit for the fiscal year just ended was 17% higher than last year. the highest since 2012. congressman davis, the tax bill you supported cut the corporate andrate from 35% to 21%, corporate tax receipts are down 31% from last year. was the corporate tax portion of the bill worth it? rep. davis: all you have to do is look at the unemployment numbers to understand our job creators, the best employers, farm, small state inufacturers like here five years agos, i stood on the shop floor and
talked about what i would do if elected to congress. that would be to reform the broken tax code. we did that. i went back to steve's facility. the same area i stood on had a new machine he was able to invest in. our entrepreneurs, our small business owners who are the backbone of the economy, when they do not have to pay uncle sam, they invest in our communities and creating jobs. that is why you see historically low unemployment in this nation. so low it has never happened in my lifetime. the last time we had 3.7%, 1969. when you have economic growth, that many scoffed at before we passed our tax bill, exceeding expectations, you are able to see what has happened. 88% of the projected cost of the tax cut bill has come in and the form of money to the federal treasury.
the deficit should be a concern , but let's not kid ourselves. almost 70% of our spending in washington is on the mandatory side of the ledger. we chose to invest in our military. we chose to reprioritize how washington spends money. for our priorities like cancer research, our military readiness. we have to have a republican and democrat solution to address the mandatory side of the ledger, like i did when we passed the last farm bill, like i did when we passed secondary reviews of anyone on social security disability so that we saved taxpayers $198 billion dollars. those are bipartisan solutions. we need bipartisanship to make it happen. >> a quick follow up on the 88 % number. that is a number that was cited in a wall street journal op-ed from july. the congressional budget office
in april said factoring in all economic effects, the tax-cut bill would still add $1.9 trillion to the deficit between 2018 and 2088. i am not sure where you are getting the 88% figure but it is not squaring. rep. davis: i would be happy to debate the cbo on the accuracy of many of their projections. when i helped write the farm bill, they projected our good conservative policies would save taxpayers $23 billion in mandatory spending. they came back less than four years later and said that farm bill i helped craft saved $112 billion. the congressional budget office is not infallible. i want to make sure we choose growth. we are seeing historical unemployment and we have the ability to be able to invest in programs that are very important to many of the constituents i have talked to.
$5 billion we have invested, over the last two years in curing dreaded diseases like alzheimer's and cancer. we need to invest in research to cure diseases so families don't have to get a pre-existing condition. we need to continue in a bipartisan way to work together to lower the deficit. it is going to take working on the mandatory side of the ledger, too. >> on monday's debate at springfield, you said any tax reform should go from the middle class out. what exactly does that mean? who should pay more in income taxes? who should pay less? --ms.ndrigan the specific specifics,in the expanding things like the earned income and child tax credit. in the big picture, what that means is -- i have held 14 town
halls in the last couple months. i'm with people from around the district all the time. what they are telling me is this economy is not working for them. they do not see wage growth. they do not see those lower costs. they see their insurance premiums going up or grocery prices going up. day-to-day living is not better for them. the tax bill, i will tell you this. i have a very clear understanding that tax bill was not for them. it was a giveaway to corporations and the wealthiest among us and special interests. what that amounts to in real people money is $6,000 for every man, woman, and child in the united states of america. that is the price tag we are paying. then it comes down to how are you going to pay for it?
mitch mcconnell said loud and clear how they want to pay for it. that is by making cuts to social security and medicare and medicaid. people that are talking to me every day throughout the district, that scares them. we have over 100,000 senior citizens in the 13th district who are over 65. this is what they rely on. to give a to chewing dollar tax cut to special interests and the wealthiest, and then turn around and say you are going to balance it on the back of our children and elderly and sick, nonstarter. >> quick follow up. i wasn't quite clear on this point with the tax cuts that passed, should those be repealed? should any of those rates go
back to where they were? who should be paying more? ms. londrigan: i think the corporations who just got that giveaway. big pharma companies, they got $40 billion in tax giveaway. they did not need that. the middle class needs that. they are the ones who are driving our local economies. they are the ones who need more. rep. davis: the families i speak to, they like this tax cut. they liked the fact they have an average of $2000 more in their budget. we have chosen growth. my opponent wants to talk about a tax plan taking away social security and medicare. seniors, if you are watching, do not believe the lies. we are trying to protect social security and medicare. we are trying to make sure it
contains to be there not just for you and the next generation, but we want to make sure these valuable programs are there for your grandchildren. right now it is people like my opponent who have no plans that are going to see those programs as 2026.ent as early that is not what i went to washington to do. i went to washington to protect them and protect economic opportunity. that is why we need to invest in more education and skills to get people who are stuck in the cycle of poverty into the jobs that are available right now in our communities. >> lance in champaign has this next question about agriculture. escalates,ff war what would you do to ensure farmers can sell their crops at a profit rather than rely on federal welfare checks?
ms. dirksen londrigan? ms. londrigan: the senate was able to come up with a bipartisan agreement. it was unfortunate the house -- our representative who sits on the ag committee left d.c. to come back and let the farm bill expire. here we are in the middle of soybean country in the middle of a trade war. our farmers who are soybean farmers around here have lost 20%-25% of their crop price since march. they are scared. when i am not in the district and i am talking to people -- out in the district and i am talking to people, listening to them they wanted to see how things would play out. that was early on. i have seen a real shift in their discussions and how they are feeling. they are scared. they can't afford a wait and see approach. they are upset they don't have someone who is standing up for the farmers right here in central illinois.
what they want is markets to sell to. that is what they are fearful of. we have had places like argentina and brazil nipping at our heels for a long time, waiting to get an intro into china. they were handed that with a silver platter. now all farmers are worried about if they are going to have markets to sell to down the road. i don't think that is fair. i think they deserve representation. yes, of course protects conservation, but also someone who stands up and is a check on this president as he enters into a trade war that is devastating to people in our district. rep. davis: the farmers of the 13th district know who's standing up for them in washington. they know i am their voice on the house ag committee. they know i am their voice on the conference committee to work out a final deal when we get back to washington in november.
rest assured the farm programs i craft will-- help not be affected. they are based on a crop year, not a federal fiscal year. don't listen to the mischaracterizations. the facts are we have money in the programs that you use. we hear from our farmers. i don't know the farmers my opponent is talking to, but they are very happy about the preliminary deals this administration worked out renegotiating nafta, working with the eu, having a bilateral agreement to sell agricultural products at levels in the tpp with countries like japan and south korea. this is why i have been endorsed by every ag organization that has come to see me. the farm bureau, the soybean association. they know who is standing up for them in washington. i am asking for your vote to do
that again. >> just a follow-up, the question was how should congress act as the tariff war escalates. rep. davis: we should look at the results we have seen with the preliminary trade agreements coming out of this administration. president trump during the campaign said he wanted to renegotiate trade deals. i talked to many of our farmers. i am still very concerned about tariffs. in the end, most of my farmers i met with say, give this administration a chance for a better deal. now we have seen that deal. all the focus can be on bad actors like china. let's not kid ourselves. china does not fair trade with anyone, including the united states of america. we have to hold them accountable. they do not trade fair when it comes to steel. they practically dried to decimate-- tried to our domestic steel industry. i went with president trump in
his first visit back to illinois. it was at the steel factory that reopened, with over 500 of the 800 employees back to work, cheering him on. he is doing what he said he was going to do and our farmers are going to be the beneficiaries. >> you have a minute for response. ms. londrigan: i was happy to see president trump deal with china dumping steel and get that steel mill back open. i'm very proud to be endorsed by united steelworkers. in terms of what i'm hearing from the farmers, with this trade deal, we have to look under the hood a little bit. right now, there is still a 25% tariff on canadian steel we use for manufacturing. those machines are purchased by our farmers. that takes their bottom line --
makes their bottom line even more expensive. i would say the farmers i am talking to are the ones coming -- to free open town halls, that do not need an invitation to go to an event. >> just a reminder, the audience, let's not have audible reaction. our next question on climate change is from a voicemail. debateuestion for the is, in light of the recent reports from the united nations, intergovernmental panel on climate change, what policies do you think the united states should adopt to combat global warming? rep. davis: climate change is real, and it needs to be addressed, but it cannot be at the expense of those that work at our nuclear facility. it cannot be at the expense of those working at our coal mines in carbondale. it certainly cannot be at the expense of those hard-working
people working at our coal-fired plants. we have to have an all of the above approach. it is not a coincidence windmills are being produced in the same town of clinton we have the nuclear facility. an all of the above approach is how america can continue to lead when it comes to addressing global warming and emissions. over the past 30, 35 years, america has helped lead the way in emissions reduction. you don't have to go far, springfield illinois, see one of the cleanest burning coal plants in the nation. because they invested in emissions controls. those investments would have been worth nothing if we had not stood up and fought the last administration, who tried to take america too far and put america at a competitive disadvantage. i applauded the president for pulling out of the paris climate accord because the u.s. was
going to have to abide by more stringent, higher standards than some of our developing nations and our biggest competitors like china. if there was going to be accountability for global warming on the global scale, the united nations needs to make sure countries like china are held to the same standards that many in this country, especially groups like the sierra club that endorsed my opponent, that they want these agreements to do. it wants to stop burning coal. that would be a devastating job killer in the 13th district. that is not the answer. let's invest in renewables, but pair them with base generators like nuclear and coal facilities. >> the question is, what policies should the u.s. adopt to combat global warming? ms. londrigan: i think it was a mistake to leave the paris climate accord because we have been innovative leaders
in combating climate change. it is an economic issue. of do youan issue believe in clean air, clean water? the economics are that, in 2017, the devastation caused by climate change cost our nation $300 billion. that is money that could have been interested in modernizing infrastructure and helping us to combat climate change moving forward. some of the policies i think we need to look at, we have to look under the hood. some of the rollbacks need to be rolled back in. i want to make sure we have a buffer zone between streams and areas where there have been chemicals and mining so we do not have any more incidents like we saw in taylorville, where coal tar had seeped up.
there are protections that we obviously need. we also need to make sure anybody who goes to washington and represents our district is looking behind the scenes at what has been happening at the epa. it is very concerning that things like the science advisory board, the rules for those committees, have been changed. industry workers can sit on the science advisory board, but scientists -- if they have had a grant for the last three years, are not eligible. what that means to us is industry workers are going to be able to identify what they believe are facts on which policy should be based instead of nonpartisan government scientists. it is about the regulations and is about who is establishing the facts on which regulations and policy are based. >> you have a minute to respond. rep. davis: you don't have to look too far to see central illinois is home to an all of
the above energy approach. you see the windmills going up throughout this district. that is the type of plan we need to keep america competitive and also do what we can to lead the world in reducing emissions. i'm glad my opponent brought up the epa science advisory boards. in the last farm bill, i made sure agriculture had a seat at the table. because it is those epa science advisory boards in the last administration that came up with a plan to regulate milk spills the way they would oil spills. which one can you clean up with cats? >> our next question comes via video. it is on the recent supreme court nomination of brett kavanaugh. it comes from a senior at springfield southeast high school. >> kavanaugh was exonerated by the fbi. do you believe a proper
investigation was carried out? as a woman, this is important to me and several others around the nation because we want to feel like our voices are heard and it was disrespectful to those who make the claims against kavanaugh. ms. londrigan: it was difficult to watch. it was difficult, particularly as a woman, to watch. i believe dr. ford and i believe we have to have -- we need to set the precedent of believing survivors. i did want an investigation. i came flat out and said the fbi needed to investigate judge kavanaugh before confirming. administrationhe the investigation play out, unimpeded, with no parameters around it. i think we deserve that. we deserve that as women. we deserve that as citizens of the united states of america. the supreme court deserves that.
they deserve the integrity of a judge who has gone to a full vetting process. i worry about what the supreme court will look like. i worry about the partisanship that was displayed. what i really want is for the supreme court of our land to maintain an impartial and unbiased balance. >> again, the question was, do you believe a proper investigation was carried out thoroughly? rep. davis: the citizens of the 13th district are frustrated by the entire process. justice kavanaugh had gone through six fbi background checks. he had gone through an extra by check called for republicans in the senate. when the time came to cast the vote, the majority of the senators believed brett
kavanaugh was able to serve on the supreme court and the y confirmed him. while i may not agree with every justice on the supreme court, i support the supreme court and the senate ability to provide advice and consent. it protects the fabric of our society. it protects our institutions. as we move forward, we have to watch ourselves and wonder if the next supreme court nominee, regardless of which party is in control the white house, goes to that same process? what does that tell the next generation about institutions as important as the supreme court? this is why we need to make sure we put forth opportunities for any person to have their voice heard. dr. ford, i believe was given an opportunity not through the court process, because that is not the process she chose. the process was through the senate judiciary committee.
what we saw that they frustrated me greatly on all sides. i saw politics take over the supreme court nomination process, and i think that sets a terrible precedent for the future and i hope we all take a step back and are sure we have a better process for anyone in the future. >> i want to make sure payton gets an answer to her question. it sounds like you believe a proper investigation was carried out thoroughly. ? rep. davis: it is not up to me to provide whether a proper investigation was carried out. >> whether or not you think it happened. rep. davis: i believe kavanaugh was given six fbi background checks. brett kavanaugh was given another one. >> sounds like a yes. rep. davis: brett kavanaugh was given an extra fbi investigation. even joe biden said the fbi was not going to provide an adjudicated decision that a
court of law would. i support brett kavanaugh as supreme court justice because the u.s. senate confirmed him. >> you have a minute response if you'd like. ms. londrigan: it was not a full investigation into the allegations made. that did not happen. i think the american people deserve that. deserved, one way or the other a clean bill. , dr. ford deserved to have that looked into to the fullest extent of the law. that did not happen. it should have happened. i think it was incredibly brave of her to share her story in front of the senate judiciary committee and the world. i admire her courage. i think she deserved for that to be fully investigated. i worry about what it tells the
next generation of young women who come forward and display that kind of courage and bravery. and it doesn't even warrant a full investigation. >> a quick follow-up. we heard from a high school student. but this is also a contentious issue on college campuses. the 13th district contains several universities, including where we are right now, the largest university in the state. do you feel campuses have sufficient resources and procedures to handle sexual assault and harassment allegations? congressman davis. rep. davis: this is why i have tried to lead on this issue in washington d.c. not just because i have a daughter at one of the colleges i serve and sons possibly going to one of the colleges i am blessed to serve, this is a problem that needs to be addressed for families throughout the nation. we have to make sure anyone who experiences assault, anyone who
is a victim of a crime, has a process that is open and allows them to be able to adjudicate that accusation through the university, through the college, through the community college. re thoseto be su institutions -- i am confident the institutions i serve in the 13th district are doing just that. ms. londrigan: i would like to see the process more formalized. some of the rollbacks the secretary of education has proposed could be dangerous. to our college campuses, to the young men and women alike. we are not close yet to time when men and women are safe at the same level on college campuses. i would like to see us get there. >> you have a minute response, if you would like. rep. davis: we will go to the next question. >> next question is another
video from a student, a senior at urbana high school. >> i go to urbana high school. i am 18 years old and i am wondering what you can do to improve gun control so people that want to harm others can't weapons,d of these because i don't want my school to the on the news next. ms. londrigan: thank you for your question. and i was part of a forum here in champaign urbana. it was what i think should be a blueprint for discussing gun violence. it was gun owners, it was the state's attorney, the superintendent of schools. it was a discussion. it was the type of discussion we i had had with people throughout the 13th district. it is about how we can reduce gun violence. here in the 13th district in the last four years, we have lost 56
children under the age of 17 to gun violence. i want to make sure i bridge the gap. we have so many parts to the district that are like families like mine that are legal responsible gun owners. that is part of the community fabric. gun owners and non-gun owners alike have children and grandchildren in school. gun violence is all of our concerns. i can tell you 90% of americans agree on universal background checks. we check for a violent history. we can keep guns out of the hands of violent offenders and domestic abusers and the violently ill. this is what we can do if the people at the table have the political will to do it. i have said time and again i will take not one dime from the nra because i do not want their money. congressman davis has taken a lot of money from the nra and
that is reflected in his votes. rep. davis: i don't want any school to go through the tragedies we saw at places like parkland and others just this past year. we have to make sure we do what is best to secure our schools. as a matter of fact, after parkland, i went back to washington and wondered aloud, what happened to the old cops secure our schools program? i found out before i got to was deton that program authorized and defunded. i worked to reauthorize it. the state of illinois and local school districts in the 13th district are reaping the benefits of that investment. they are able not just to partner to secure our facilities, make sure something that happened in parkland does not happen in schools in this district, they are also implementing new ideas like bringing in mental health counselors to address young men
and women likely to get to that crisis stage. that is why we have done things in washington already to fix the flaws in our background check system. we have done things to ensure we not just focus on the firearms side of the equation but address the mental health side of the equation. i get accused of taking money from the nra. i'm an nra member. i give them money each year. i believe in the second amendment. i experienced gun violence myself. i was on the baseball field in alexandria, virginia. on a crazed gunman screaming june 17 health care came to kill me and my friends because he disagreed with us politically. i saw good guys with guns fire back and save us all. criminals do not care if they fill out the correct form. they don't care if they legally purchase a firearm. we need to make sure every
american has the chance to protect themselves. you have a response if you'd like. ms. londrigan: i also believe in the second amendment. i come from a family of legally responsible owners. 90% of americans agree we need federal universal background checks. checks on people with violent history. 73% of nra owners believe the same thing. this is not a political issue. it shouldn't be. i can tell you in the town halls i have held, these are open, free to the public. these are democrats, republicans, independents, whoever shows up. we have open discussions about things like this. we don't always agree, but that's democracy. we talk about solutions and we find common ground. i think it is unfortunate that my opponent has refused to do open public town halls and has outright said he would not meet with people who disagree with
him or are politically opposed to him. i counter, that's how we make progress, by meeting with people who we don't always agree with and figuring it out together. >> i am afraid that is all we have time for this evening, but want to thank both of our candidates this evening, representative davis, ms. dirksen londrigan. i want to thank to our panelists as well. thanks to our studio audience, and to everyone who submitted your questions for this evening's debate. thanks to our debate partners, npr illinois springfield, the of champaign county, the league of women voters of champaign county, and the university of illinois student government. to all the voters, a reminder election day is november 6 and you can find everything you need to know about voting in illinois and your candidates with the illinois newsroom voter guide. that is online at
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