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at 7:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span. at 8:00, in new york's 22nd congressional district, claudia .enney faces anthony brindisi that is also live. with five days before the election, make c-span your primary source for campaign 2018. >> c-span, where history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television companies. today, we continue to bring you unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the supreme court, and public policy events in washington, d.c. and around the country. c-span is brought to you by your cable or satellite provider. indiana's incumbent donnelly, senator, j debated republican mike braun and libertarian lucy brenton.
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they faced off in the final scheduled debate for indiana's u.s. senate seat. this is about an hour. >> we are joined by joe donnelly, mike braun, and lucy brenton. the winner will represent the people of indiana in a six-year term in washington. i am your moderator, amna nwaz, anchor for pbs newshour. i am honored to be here to serve as your moderator of this important debate. for about the next hour, the candidates will debate a variety of issues, as with the first debate earlier this month. nearly all the questions came from you, members of the public who submitted questions about
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what concerns you. ask a questiono in person. none of the questions or topics have been shared in advance with any candidate. here are your candidates. donnelly, thejoe democratic incumbent who is completing his first term. he was elected to the senate in 2012. in the middle is republican mike braun, an auto parts distributor in southwest indiana and a former state representative. primary inrepublican may. also with us is lucy brenton, a libertarian. she previously ran for the u.s. senate in 2016. and now, the candidates can further introduce themselves and make a one minute opening statement, starting with senator donnelly. mr. donnelly: thank you, and thank you to all the whose years. you know me. i have had the privilege of being your senator for the last six years. to savee final vote health care. i've fought to secure our borders. i fought to protect social security and medicare.
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i have stood up for our troops and for our veterans. but who is mike braun? mike braun has a $10,000 to dockable for the workers at his company for health care. they have to pay $10,000 out of their pocket before they can get their first aspirin. at the same time, he gave himself $18 million. he also wants to go after your health care. he supports a lawsuit that would take away your coverage for pre-existing conditions. and he supported a tax cut i mitch mcconnell, $2 trillion in debt. and they are after social security and medicare now. mike is after your health care and your social security and medicare. that is what this election is about. amna: next, we will hear from mr. braun. mr. braun: thank you for hosting and thank you for tuning in. i am mike braun, lifelong hoosier and political outsider. i am running for senate because i am fed up with business as usual in d.c.
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career politicians talk a good game, no action. i moved back to my hometown, creating jobs, starting pay way above the national average. i have done things in the real world. never had a layoff and 37 years. i tackle things like health care, holding premiums flat 10 years while covering pre-existing conditions. just like i have taken care of my employees, i will take care of hoosiers. the senator takes his orders from chuck schumer, who has run a negative campaign against me based on lies and distortions. wrong on health care, wrong on immigration, wrong on tax reform. a loud supporter of hillary clinton. voted against judge kavanaugh. i will stand for hoosiers when you send me to d.c. tank you. -- thank you. ms. brenton: my name is lucy brenton, and i have great news. only seven short days until the
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getck ads end and we can back to hoosier hysteria, sugar cream pie, and preparing our homes for the holidays. i am like you -- a mom, a businesswoman, and a senatorial candidate. i am here to share solutions with you this evening. i will uphold and defend the constitution, and fight any politician that tries to take your rights away. i will work to repeal every unconstitutional law. second, we must have economic stability. that means lowering taxes and reducing spending. our children should not have to spending thedoggle old parties have done, that only pay off their buddies. and third, your individual rights are at stake. you should have the right to do whatever you want, as long as you don't hurt anyone else or take their stuff. tomorrow, you should wake up more free than you are today. thank you. you to the
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candidates. the first question is a quickie. the debate commission frequently aars from voters, like retiree from arcadia who wants to know why candidates do not answer the questions asked. in the interest of voters watching tonight, i will each of you to answer with a yes or no. will you pledge to confine your answers to the questions asked tonight? what speed and with senator donnelly. mr. donnelly: i will answer the questions asked. mr. braun: i will do the same. ms. brenton: yes, my track record proves i am the only one. amna: on now to the news of the day, a question straight from the headlines today. the president said he plans to end birthright citizenship through executive order. senator lindsey graham has said he will introduce legislation to support the president's plan. end birthrightto citizenship? it goes first to senator donnelly. mr. donnelly: i am the only person on this stage who voted three times for a border wall. i voted against sanctuary cities.
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i have stood for secure borders 2013 wen mccain when in passed legislation that would have provided an additional 20,000 border agents to the border. in regards to birthright citizenship, that is the 14th amendment of our constitution. and so how this should be handled is by the congress. i heard you say that lindsey graham is going to put legislation forward. we have to take a look at that legislation. as of right now, the 14th amendment of the constitution regarding this issue. i would want to see that legislation, make sure it was constitutional, and review it first. amna: mr. braun, over to you. mr. braun: birthright citizenship, all of these issues have accumulated over a long time. the key difference this evening is going to be, are you happy with the way results have happened in d.c.?
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do you think the people that have been there have fixed these problems? i know hoosiers rank border security up there with the cost of health care, and real worries about whether social security and medicare are going to be there. i think finally we have got a leader in the white house that is doing something about it. you cannot keep kicking these issues down the road. politicians on both sides of the aisle -- the senator has been there for a long time. he has made a career out of being in the game. he has to hold responsibility for it. he did cover that issue. there is going to be legislation on it. we will see how it pans out. of many yearson of neglecting border security -- thank goodness we are finally attending to it. on, thefore we move question was about legislation about birthright citizenship. would you support it or not? seebraun: i will wait and
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what the discussion is on it. if lindsey graham is introducing it, i think it will be something i will take a look at. i am not going to say whether i will support it or not until i read the legislation. amna: mrs. brenton? ms. brenton: what if your leaders are doing the wrong thing? should you support them or blindly follow them? i would say no. we do have the 14th amendment, like we have other amendments of the constitution, to make clear what the laws are in our country and what the master contract is. no one is above the law. no one makes unilateral decisions in this country. we got rid of king george for a reason, right? can we at least agree on that? we are not replacing him with king trump. no one is going to make unilateral decisions in our country. if there is a law brought forward, would you be surprised? what is the political answer to everything? we have to make a law. part of that is ego. they want their name on the law. what i want to know is, is the legislation something that is going to be good for our
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country, or is it going to violate the constitution, like so many of our laws have? let's use that as a standard once again, the constitution. amna: senator, you said you would like a rebuttal. mr. donnelly: the reason this has been around a long time is, it is in the constitution of the united states. it is the 14th amendment. it is the guiding document of our nation. i voted three times for border wall security, what here is the thing. this is an issue you have to have bipartisan support for. have passed 50 pieces of legislation with a republican partner. every single time. mike cannot name a single democrat he would work with. amna: moving on to another question about immigration. the conversation around immigration has flared up recently, it is fair to say. it has been a pretty divisive topic. a number of voters submitted questions on related issues, such as the proposal for a border wall and the protection of dreamers. one of those voters is here with
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us, a retired career coach and i.t. manager from carmel. patrice? patrice: what would you do specifically to encourage positive u.s. policy approaches to immigration? amna: the question goes to mr. braun first. mr. braun: first of all, we are a country that has welcomed people. we have been based upon immigration. the key is, we need a system that is going to have some decor and to it. when it comes to legal immigration, i think we need to stress that. there are a lot of places in our economy that need people to come in to fill jobs. but when it comes to border security, i rest the responsibility on the shoulders of politicians that have been there. until we actually build a wall and secure the border in an absolute way, you are going to have all of these issues keep coming up. when it comes to sanctuary cities, when it comes to visa lotteries, all the problems that are associated with it, finally
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we have got leadership attending to it. the senator says he is going to vote with the president. he never votes with him on other things like health care, tax reform, and so forth. i don't know that you can take that to heart. amna: mrs. brenton? ms. brenton: positive policies on u.s. immigration. that is a great question. thank you for answering it. america has been the melting pot. at least it was in the cartoons i watched growing up. member, you could sing along and learn about the constitution and the bill of rights? we are the greatest country in the world because we welcome to unfortunately, that casts a bad light on the people who are willing to bring their time and talents here. they may not have treasure, and that should not be like winning
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the lottery. might as well be $5 million. if they're willing to work, they should be willing to come here, and we should be willing to accept them. >> the question is, what would you specifically do to improve positive policy? mr. braun: i was part of the group that the president asked to put legislation together. and we did. it provided that our daca children, who came here -- their parents did not come here the right way, but they are two or three years old -- that they could stay, and we would provide funding for the border wall. like anything, it is a compromise and it is everybody working together. there was approximately 10 democrats and 10 republicans. i was one of the 10 democrats that worked with the president on this. that legislation was sent to the
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white house. later that night, they decided they were no longer for it. the next day, we had 57 votes and it did not make it. but in 2013, i stood with john mccain for legislation that provided the opportunity to have 20,000 additional border agents, and we worked on getting immigration policy right. over 70 of our fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants. over 25% of nobel laureates are immigrants. we can make this country greater together. ms. nawaz: our next question from the live audience comes tonight from cory holland, a pharmacist from indianapolis. cory? >> good evening. my question is, now that the health care mandate has been removed, what specifically will you do to ensure that health care insurance premiums remain affordable for middle and lower income families? ms. nawaz: the question goes first to mrs. brenton. ms. brenton: thank you. it is a good question. how do we keep health care affordable for middle income families? i think the first thing we can agree on is that government does not work. and when government gets
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involved with things, it gets more expensive, less efficient. costs go up, care goes down. by removing government and taking government out of the position of being in between the person receiving the care and the person providing the care, we will be able to remove all the costs of government that are associated with it. second, there is just a short vignette from my personal life. i have had 10 children. when i had a midlife-assisted birth at a hospital with excellent insurance, because i worked at the sun company, it was over $14,000 for a nonmedicated birth with no ob/gyn and not a single aspirin. that same birth at home for a different child was $4000 with a midwife. you see, when government gets involved in health care, insurance companies have to take a profit. we have got to take the levels of administration out of it. ms. nawaz: senator donnelly? senator donnelly: thank you for the question. i was part of a group of senators that put together legislation that is just waiting for a vote right now, hopefully when we go back we will have it, that puts in place cost-sharing.
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that would reap the funds that the aca produces in the black go over to the insurance companies. it lowers premiums for everybody. in addition, it involves reinsurance to lower costs as him well, which would significantly lower premiums. but here is what we don't want to do. mike braun supports a lawsuit today -- today -- that would take away pre-existing conditions coverage. that would end the opportunity to not have lifetime caps, so that a young person who is on an indianapolis ips bus with asthma and their chest is tightening, and they need the inhaler, if he has his way, those pre-existing conditions aren't covered anymore. same for diabetes, same for multiple sclerosis. that is how important this election is. ms. nawaz: mr. braun, one minute. mr. braun: great question. this should be the one thing you take away from this debate. there's only one person here that has actually done what you are talking about.
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it was called the affordable care act, which joe was all for. it is the un-affordable care act. it was doomed to fail because you had big government get in cahoots with big health care, specifically, big health insurance. i took on the health insurance companies 10 years ago. and regardless of what his democratic talking points are, i would never be for any replacement that doesn't cover pre-existing conditions and doesn't -- that has no cap on coverage. you will get that out of me, and i did it on my own. joe blows in the wind on this stuff and you can't count on him for what you are going to do to actually lower costs. i'm the only one in the real world that does it. you can go to joeblowsinthewind.com and get the particulars out of it and you will see all my particular solutions on holding health care down. ms. nawaz: ms. brenton, you indicated you want to respond.
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you have 30 seconds. ms. brenton: thank you. solutions in place there are already free market for health care. liberty share, medishare. these are organizations that have tackled the affordable care act. it really is the unaffordable care act. because the insurance companies were allowed to write the laws, of course, they wrote them for themselves. of course, they hurt the american people when they did it, because they wanted to line their pockets. and that is what politicians do and have done and you can't expect anything different. let the free market to decide. you making decisions for your family is the best way to go. ms. nawaz: senator donnelly, you have 30 seconds as well. in senator donnelly: here is what mike knows. what he said is not true. mike supports a lawsuit that would end the affordable care act. that would end pre-existing conditions. so all of you watching out there tonight, if you have someone in your family with diabetes, with arthritis, with asthma, their
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coverage goes away if mike's lawsuit is successful. as i said, that's how important this is. those are the facts. he can't deny that. ms. nawaz: mr. braun, i know you wanted a rebuttal. the question again was if you could name a specific thing you could do to keep health premiums low. mr. braun: so, first of all, as a republican, you get swept into the fact that you would support that lawsuit. that is not the case. the proof is in the pudding. i did it in the real world. we have done things like health savings accounts, we have done telemedicine, where you can actually get health care when you're on the road, transparency, consumer driven. that will knock the costs down because my policy costs one fourth of what his obamacare policy costs. there is no disputing that. and i have done it in the real world. he has crafted something with big health care, doomed to fail. ms. nawaz: we have another question now. moving on to jill, joining us here. a fundraiser for a local
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educational institution from indianapolis. over to you. >> hello. easily accessible and free or low-cost contraceptives have proven to be an effective way to reduce unintended pregnancies. what is your position on providing low-cost or free contraceptives to reduce abortions by reducing unintended pregnancies? ms. nawaz: senator donnelly, that goes to you first. senator donnelly: contraceptive coverage is included in the affordable care act. i voted for the affordable care act. and it helps, as you indicated, to make sure that we don't wind up in a situation with an abortion. i am pro-life. i have every single time voted to make sure federal funds could not be used for abortion-related services. but i also have exceptions in the case of rape and incest and life of the mom. if your daughter happens to be raped, mike thinks the
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government has a role and a position in the middle of that. i don't. if incest occurs, i don't think it is our business to be part of it. and if your wife or daughter gets a terrible news that they may lose their life in a pregnancy, mike thinks that the government has a role in that. i don't. that is about your family and your prayers. ms. nawaz: mr. braun? mr. braun: this is another typical case where the senator tries to have it both ways. when it comes to contraceptive coverage, i think everybody is on board with that, but when it comes to the sanctity of life, you cannot say you are pro-life and have your voting record. i'm the one that is being endorsed by the indiana right to life. susan b. anthony has knocked on 500,000 doors for me. and the national right to life is endorsing me. they give joe an f grade. so i think you got to be clear
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about not trying to have it both ways. i would never demonize anybody that disagrees with my point of view. i was raised to respect the sanctity of life and i'm proud of that. and i will never disagree or -- or i will never demonize anybody that disagreed with me. it is as simple as that. ms. nawaz: mrs. brenton. ms. brenton: thank you. i have 10 children. so the idea of contraceptives is something that i'm very much interested in. [laughter] ms. brenton: are there days i want that to be retroactive? if they have not done the dishes? probably. ,of course, contraceptives should be affordable, of course they should be widely available. let's make sure they are safe and effective and make sure that people know how to use them properly. and if you choose to have 10 children, as my husband and i did, and that was our goal, then great. but if that is not the choice that you want to make for your family, then you simply make a different choice.
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but let's also make sure there are not unintended consequences and that there are some sort of common-sense rules. i have a 14-year-old daughter. if she is seeking contraceptives, i think i have a right as her parent and the responsible party to know about it. so let us make sure it does not become a free-for-all. we should inject hoosier common sense and american values into reducing the number of abortions by making contraceptives widely available and inexpensive. ms. nawaz: senator, a response? senator donnelly: i do. i believe in the sanctity of life as well. i believe in the sanctity of all life, and that includes your wife, your mom, your daughter. and if your wife gets that terrible news that she will lose her life in this pregnancy, mike, it is not our business to be in the middle of that. that is your family. i can't think of any reason the government needs to be involved in that decision. that is your family.
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that is the life of your wife or your daughter. that is the sanctity of all life. ms. nawaz: mrs. brenton, you have 30 seconds. mrs. brenton: i hear a lot of politicians talking about the sanctity of life. there is the life i do not hear them talking about. i don't hear them talking about the children and the wedding parties that we have drone bombed. so sad. i don't hear them talking about the death penalty. you see, the politicians are all pro-death when it plays great on the news, but when it comes to actually protecting life, they are happy to send our sons and daughters into endless foreign wars like afghanistan. do you even know why we are afghanistan? because there is lithium in the afghan mountains. look at that and looks at your lithium, too.
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put those together. ms. nawaz: moving on to the deficit. our next question comes from a retiree in columbus who wants to know your plans to balance the federal budget, more specifically, would you support increasing revenue through raising taxes or cutting spending for defense or entitlements? mr. braun, the question is you. mr. braun: this is another defining issue. when it comes to the federal government, the career politicians that have been there, why would you want to send someone back there that has been there 12 years and we now have $22 trillion in debt and running nearly a trillion-dollar deficit? it doesn't make sense. in the real world, what you would do, it's not a revenue problem, it is a spending problem. and we have not lived within our means for years. rand paul has a bill called the penny plan. 1%. who would know if you are missing that? the president asked all agencies to cut back 5%. any business, you would do it. the senator has been part of a system that has given us all these bad results and the other
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thing i would do, anybody that has been there does not deserve a congressional pension or a fancy health care plan. they ought to be on the same thing that everybody else is. and that is where you would start. mrs. brenton: blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. reduce spending. lower taxes. what does all of this mean in the context of the last 150 years of republican and democrat domination in our society? it doesn't mean anything. because they talk about this, but as soon as they get elected it doesn't matter whether they are in a red or a blue shirt, they still vote to raise your taxes. and they do not reduce spending. do you want to actually hack at the roots of evil? you've got to end the biggest part of our budget, which is just going out the window. interest on the federal debt. end the federal reserve. we must abolish the federal reserve and repudiate the debt.
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repudiate the interests that we are paying on money that they create out of thin air. it is a complex issue, but here's what you have to know. it doesn't matter how much we reduce our spending, how much we increase revenue if we are paying interest to a group of bankers that have controlled our country since 1913. ms. nawaz: senator donnelly? senator donnelly: thank you very much. as you look at this, what has happened is mitch mcconnell had a huge tax cut. he gave all the money to his richest friends. mike walked away with a wheelbarrow full of cash. it could been used to shore up social security or for medicare. that just increased the deficit by over $2 trillion. we couldn't afford mitch mcconnell's tax cuts for the very, very wealthiest. $37 went to the wealthiest for every $1 that went to regular families. i will fight for regular families. i will protect social security and medicare. and we do it by making sure we
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grow our gdp, that grows up to a point where it meets spending, which has kept very tight. and when the two meet, approximately 20% of gdp on revenues and expenses. that is where we had our last him budget surplus. that is about the neighborhood it happens in. but we can't have tax cuts that only help the wealthiest. thank you. ms. nawaz: mrs. brenton, you have 30 seconds to respond. mrs. brenton: yes. let's talk about how much federal debt there is out there , that we are not talking about unfunded liabilities, about the yoke of economic slavery to everyone born and not yet born. which of you would give up your favorite federal program if it meant that you could abolish the federal income tax? i have a list of them i would give up. this is what it would boil down to.
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you can take every asset in the country and give it over to the federal reserve and it still won't pay off the debt. take our country back and end the fed. mr. braun: this was an issue the democrats gambled on. they thought tax reform was going to be a class divider. all i know is in my own business when tax reform passed in december, we lowered family health care benefits by 1400 bucks per year. that was after holding them flat for 10 years. we gave company bonuses. we enhanced 401(k) pay. this is the hottest economy we have had in years. under the obama regime, 1.5%. unemployment never got to where it is. that is a failed policy. let's give something a new chance to work, and i'm glad we are part of it and we have shared the benefits with our employees. ms. nawaz: senator? senator donnelly: since i have been senator, we have had 70 consecutive months of job growth. that is every single month.
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and the truth about your health care plan, mike, is your employees have to pay $10,000 out of their own pocket before they can get their first prescription. that is not health care. that is something completely different. we stand to make sure that we have the opportunity to get to a balanced budget by being smart on spending and on revenues. ms. nawaz: mr. braun, you would like a response, this is your second one so keep it to 15 seconds. mr. braun: this is what happens when you have to be briefed on this stuff and you haven't lived in the real world. what the senator fails to mention is that the premium cost is the only thing that is for certain. my premium cost is $70 per -- 70 bucks a month. his obamacare plan, the reason it is going broke, is four to five times that much. my employees get into their deductible far less than you
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would on a obamacare plan because we have incentives to lower cost. that is a failed system that is falling apart. mine has worked in the real world. ms. brenton: everything that they just said is smoke and mirrors. they are trying to distract you from the real problem. we are talking about what we are going to do to balance the budget. money in is money out. and if we are taking interest from our lives all the way back to 1913. stop the evil. ms. nawaz: senator donnelly, 15 seconds. senator donnelly: mike never denies that it is $10,000 , before your first aspirin. think about it. if you are making $25,000 or $30,000, how do you ever get there? and additionally on top of that, , what we are trying to do is -- i have been told to stop. ms. nawaz: that was 15 seconds. we are moving on now to our next topic, foreign policy. president trump has made the alliance with saudi arabia a cornerstone of his foreign
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policy. he stood by the leadership after intelligence concluded that they were directly involved in the murder of jamal khashoggi. he has failed to condemn the saudi-led the bombing in yemen where more than 60,000 civilians in yemen have been killed. do you support the president's stance? ms. brenton: why are we still playing footsie with regimes that murder? what is really at stake here is how we end our dependence on foreign oil. when we have more oil in alaska than they have in saudi arabia, why are we not drilling for it? why are we continually allowing our country's economy to be dependent upon a foreign power and staying in their good graces? let's end our dependence on foreign oil. it is not just about solar, although that is a part of it. it is also about wind.
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i am not a fan. but it is also about hemp. it is about biodiesel. it is about alternative forms of energy. and in order to make this happen, we have to get government out of this. as soon as government gets involved in something, it slows down, gets more expensive and requires your tax dollars to fund something they think is a good idea for their big-business buddies. ms. nawaz: just a follow-up, you do not support the president's stance? ms. brenton: that is correct. i do not support president trump supporting the saudis. senator donnelly: thank you. as soon as we found out about this we tried to get more details. i read the classified materials on this. we have contacted the white house about this to get more information. and here is what is clear. the saudis murdered a journalist, jamal khashoggi, who was simply trying to make sure word can get out as to what is going on. he is an indiana state graduate. he is a sycamore. he lived in virginia, and they murdered him.
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i have said we should put a temporary halt on arms sales to saudi arabia until we find out what happened. but lucy's poing is right. we need to stand for ethanol, for 3-15. the president signed an executive order. that was my legislation. we worked on that to get it done. we need to do clean coal, ethanol, fight for our farmers because when money stays here , instead of the middle east, it not only helps our economy, it helps our national security. mr. braun: when it comes to what happens in saudi arabia, horrific. and i think the president was out front early, that he was going to get to the bottom of it and you need to be. , that is behavior that cannot be tolerated. when it comes to foreign policy in general, do you like the new dynamic? i think we have seen something that is different. with the senator and the obama administration, we were not respected across the world.
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in north korea, there is a discussion going on. in iran -- i mean, the senator was for the iran deal, $150 billion worth of concessions, $1.5 billion in cash delivered to them. we have now regained respect because it is based upon strength. and if you draw a red line, you stick with it. and i think the president has changed the dynamic to where we will see these problems fixed because of leadership. ms. nawaz: before we move on, yes, you do support the president? mr. braun: i support his leadership and the way he will handle the saudis will be to hold them accountable for the horrific act that was created and he will take the big picture into consideration while he is doing it. ms. brenton: i see the partisanship in the answers here. i have got to agree with senator donnelly. we have to fight for our farmers. and more choices are better than less choices.
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and that is why i was talking with someone from the hemp industry. and i found out there are businesses in indiana that are importing -- one single business in elkhart is importing 100,000 pounds of hemp fiber every single week to make their products. why are they not walking across the street and cutting a check to a hoosier farmer? senator donnelly: the question was about saudi arabia, but mike brought up iran. here is the facts about the iran deal that was made. iran was one month away from a nuclear weapon. that created an incredible danger for the middle east, and we would have to be involved in the middle of a war. i will fight for our country every time, but war should be the last option, not the they are 10 years away first. from a nuclear weapon. and our sons and daughters from terre haute and evansville will not have to go to war in tehran to keep our country safe.
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mr. braun: i think this is an issue about leadership, and if you are happy with the old dynamic. what we had leading up to this point were problems across the world laid on our doorstep. if you are happy about that, the brinksmanship it created, fine. i think the president has had a strong case for fixing those things, including having our allies be accountable for their fair share of defense, which no one mentioned before. ms. nawaz: we have a lot of topics to cover, so i want to move on to domestic matters. we have another question from the audience. we are joined by an attorney from indianapolis. >> thank you. there are nearly one million hoosiers in risk of hunger and may not know from where their next meal will come. more than 6000 residents rely on snap benefits. half of all indiana students
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receive free and reduced lunches. if elected, what will you do to alleviate hunger in indiana and support antihunger programs? senator donnelly? senator donnelly: thank you for the question. i serve on the agricultural committee. i have helped writing the farm bill. we are very, very close to having it concluded. it has great provisions for our farmers, making sure we have good conservation practices, but also that we have good nutrition programs, nutrition programs that make it so that they run responsibly, that they encourage people to work, and that they fill a need. i have been to our schools to see the nutrition programs in action. i have seen our families as well. it is a critical part of what we do in creating a farm bill. i have been part of that from the start. as i said, we are close to getting this completed. and we should be able to meet
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in our farm bill that we are putting together right now the nutrition needs of our families. ms. nawaz: mr. braun? mr. braun: in the case of someone going hungry in this state or this country, it is sad with the plenty we have here. i think a lot of it has had to do with government. if i were trying to fix the issues associated with hunger, i would not look to the federal government as much as someone like the senator would or folks that have been there. those policies have not worked the way they should. we have to make sure that we fixed these plans to where they work better for the people that need it. and i would trust what we do here in the state more than what i would onto the federal government that is running trillion-dollar deficits. why would you expect a government that has been dysfunctional when it comes to solving hunger issues, solving anything that has been so lacking results? the senator has been part of it. and until you send people there to think out of the box that has
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done things in the real world, you will not be satisfied with taking care of something like hunger, which is a big deal if you are relying on the federal government to do that. ms. brenton: thank you for feeding indiana's hungry. i feed a lot of hungry people too. i am a mother of 10 kids. -- iw what it likes when know what it is like when you have to budget and think about what each meal costs and can i stretch that money for the month. it is horrifying to think that anyone in this country should go hungry for even a single meal. we're the best country in the world. we are the land of plenty. so if we have a lot of resources and they are not getting to the right people, what is the problem we really need to fix? well, let's look at farm bills and nutrition. who here knows that you can go and use snap benefits and buy things with high-fructose corn syrup?
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you can buy soda pop. what is that? that is not something to help people and feed them. it is a gift to coca-cola. it is a gift to big businesses to allow funds that should be set aside for real nutrition and real food to just go down the drain with doritos and soda pop. stop that. senator donnelly: i almost cannot believe you when you ask what role the federal government has in nutrition programs. mike, you should see the faces of the 7-year-old kids who come to school hungry. you laugh about it. it is not funny. we have 7-year-old children who come to school hungry, and the meal they get are at school. those children are not responsible for the bad choices their parents might make. they need to have a full stomach, they need to have the chances that every other child
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has in indiana. mr. braun: my point is about the effectiveness of these programs. we need to solve hunger wherever it happens. if you want career politicians and bureaucrats to keep controlling the show, send him back to washington. if you want folks that has done things in the real world and makes things effective and efficient because they do not break the bank you have to , change the dynamic. we have been doing this thing for years. we need entrepreneurs, folks who have done it in the real world, not career politicians. ms. brenton: about doing things in the real world, i have done that in my home, i have done that with a budget. i have invited other children into my home to eat. here is what it boils down to, and i have to admit, mike is right partly on this. do not quote me. here's the thing. it should be a state's rights issue. it is up to the state to feed its own people. the bigger we grow the federal government, the bigger the
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bureaucracy gets and the farther away from the people it helps. let indiana feed hoosiers. we can do it together. senator donnelly: we were able to pass the nutrition program in the senate 86-11. incredible number of republicans as well. because here is what they knew -- ad here's what they know -- 7-year-old child does not know the difference between state rights and federal rights. they just know they are hungry. ms. nawaz: let's move on to a question a lot of people are talking about in the country, and that is sexual assault. a student in bloomington asks, in the wake of the kavanaugh confirmation and the me too movement, how will you fight to protect the rights of sexual assault survivors? more specifically, what can you say to the women out there, one out of every three of whom will experience some sexual assault in their lives, what can you say to them to encourage them to come forward? mr. braun, the question goes you
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first. mr. braun: when it comes to sexual assault and sexual harassment, there is no place for that, period, in our society. as we have seen over the last few years, it has been there. and thank goodness it is being flushed out. i have got daughters and women who work for my business who would never tolerate that. so i think whenever there is an alleged issue, it needs to be fully vetted. and i think there needs to be a process to do it, but there cannot be any tolerance for sexual harassment in this day and age. i am glad it hs come to the forefront and we're finally addressing it. ms. brenton: i am one out of three. i am a woman. and i had my me-too moment. it is up to us to raise good people. it is up to us to create a culture where victims, male and female, can come forward and be believed. it is up to us to remove the
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shame and the stigma. society is sending the message to these victims that it is not ok to have been assaulted. and until we deal with that problem, that cultural problem, we are going to continue to have people who are too ashamed to come forward. co-relatinger problem and that is allocation , of resources. thousands of rape kits sit untested while people who are nonviolent are in jail for drug crimes. that has got to stop. society must say enough is enough. we are going to make sure these rape kits are made a priority so that others can be protected and put the right people in jail. the violent, not the nonviolent. senator donnelly: i don't want to misquote you, mike, i thought i heard you say that this issue has been dealt with. the women of indiana would not
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agree that this issue has been dealt with. there is sexual assault, and there is sexual harassment, and we need to fully enforce the law at every single turn. we need to put all of the effort we can behind this to make sure and that our sisters and our daughters and our wives and our mothers, we need to make sure our state a safe place at every turn. mr. braun: you clearly did misquote me. i said unequivocally that it cannot be tolerated at any point, whether in business or government -- anywhere. and any of us who have daughters would know that is the case. that is my statement. senator donnelly: i don't think i did, and you can check the record. but i am glad we agree that this cannot be tolerated. ms. nawaz: moving on to another topic, and that is the topic of diversity.
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the next question comes from the debate commission. if elected, how will you commit to bringing diversity into your leadership and senior staffing, including women, african-americans, and other underrepresented groups? ms. brenton: it is a really interesting question to ask of a libertarian, because i do not see color. i do not see the differences in people that are shallow. i want to quote martin luther king, because he said he is more interested in the content of your character. people of color do not want to be given some sort of bone because of the color of their skin. they want to earn the right to be there just like anyone would. there is no way that we should be making value-based decisions simply based on someone's exterior appearance. have we not moved past that as a culture?
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can we not look at what their skills are? and are they appropriate? let us not look at a bar graph to see if we have the right number of this or that. let's look at the individuals, themselves. ms. nawaz: senator? senator donnelly: we want everyone in indiana and in america. and my office reflects that on the campaign and senate side. our state director is indian-american. he does an amazing job. our director of all constituent services, she is african-american. but she does a more incredible job than you could imagine. it is not their race or their religion. it is the incredible person they are. but it the same time, they have to have a chance. they have to have an opportunity.
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and that is my responsibility, and i have done it in every office i have had, and every campaign i have had, because my campaigns and our senate office should reflect the face of indiana. mr. braun: i think lucy hit it on the head in the sense of equal opportunity. make sure there is never any discrimination, and you base things up on -- upon marriage, and it should be colorblind. know my business, built over 37 years, we would never tolerate anything where there would not be complete opportunity. when you come there, you work hard, you are able to advance. and always young guard against dissemination and stuff like that. i think when it comes to diversity, it should a natural thing, and if you are inviting and open and i have done that my entire life since i moved back to my hometown, started 15 employees for 17 years, build it
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to 900 across the country, have always had the policy that anybody that can come to work there, create jobs, year after rear, it has been a place of opportunity, and we would never tolerate any of that stuff along the way. several voters indicated last time they were not satisfied with your answers to a question about climate change in the first debate. the commission would like to give you another chance tonight. this is a question from carolyn from evansville, who asked what , will you do, what specifically will you do to combat climate change if i were to vote for you in november? and that question goes to senator donnelly first. senator donnelly: i have worked very closely with our utilities for a very long time to reduce the carbon footprint in indiana. and when we do that, it helps to reduce greenhouse gases. and that makes sure that we can
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help to reduce the temperature of the planet and help to reduce climate change. we have to work continuously on this. that is why i am so in favor of ethanol. e-15. our farmers grow right here in indiana, maybe one of the very finest energy sources, one of the cleanest energy sources that we could possibly have. and we have wind and solar. and when we do this, it helps us clean up our lakes, like the ohio river and lake michigan. so what we're working on every day in climate change is to make it cleaner, to make an american like ethanol, and to make sure , we are standing up for our farmers and growing our economy. mr. braun: when it comes to mother earth, i have been a steward of the land since i moved back to my hometown. we have got to have clean air. we have got to have clean water. and we got to take care of mother earth. the big thing i have done over the years, because again, so
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often when you go to washington, and not only the senator, but others as well they lose sight , of what really works. i have been a tree farmer since moving back to my hometown in the late 1980's. i have been someone there that is a conservationist. i think our own party -- if you are conservative, i think you ought be a conservationist. i will always be attentive to it. and i know the things you can do, because i have done it for all of the years i have been back in my hometown. and i think that is a key difference you need to pay attention to between people who have done things in the real world versus people who made a career out of politics. and i will always have the interest of what is good for mother earth in mind because i lived it that way. ms. nawaz: is there a specific thing you might do? a specific step? mr. braun: i think you need to do stuff like promoting -- you know, i do it on my own when it comes to being a tree farmer. when it comes to energy, which is the thing i think you are
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getting at. we need to be energy independent, and in the long run, if we do things right from it will be the cleanest fuel, the least expensive, that will world.e energy and when we get that right, we will make sure we take care of mother earth along way. if you like this question was directed at me, so if you all have your bingo cards out can write it down again. unicorns, alligators and chuck schumer's puppets, so i hope you can fill them squares there. global effort to clean the oceans -- we are killing mother earth. we're just decimating her. i talked about this last time -- clean oceans, fixing carbon -- this is where have comes in -- this is where biodiesel comes in -- this is where we have to have ethanol -- it is not the
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miracle fuel. you can smash up corn and make alcohol and run a vehicle on the, but is it best for the environment? hemp will fix carbon. and can be used for biodiesel. have can be used for biodiesel. just google it. there's more than corn in indiana. >> it is time for the final question of the evening. i'm afraid we have to move on. ,his comes from a hoosier voter, a chemist, who asks him if you are elected, with issue would you make your type priority -- top priority to address or if it's in your time and office -- or fix in your time in office? senator donnelly: ending the opioid skirt so that every hoosier can make it home to their mom and dad, can come home
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to their husband or wife. i have had legislation passed this past week that president trump signs that would provide us with advanced fda approval to end the opioid scourge. it will make sure that eli lilly can get fda approval for a drug to take the place of opioids. that is leadership, standing up for our families. mr. braun: the big difference here this evening is going to be you are going to get a guy like me who attended the real-world. do isrst thing i will what i did to the statehouse. i want to lower the costs of health care to where it is affordable. what the original bill was supposed to do. you're not going to get it on people who have been there and have a plan with big health care and big government. i have done it in the real world. 1400e lowered family costs
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bucks a year. i would take that to the senate, and you will see real results. ms. brenton: after that i had forgotten the question. would you mind repeating it? >> what would your single issue be to address once in office? ms. brenton: i do. the top priority will be reducing the size of the federal government, putting a muzzle on his, and making the federal government say to the civil constitution -- state to the civil constitution. the reason we have this craziness, neighbors to handout, and billions of dollars to handout to diseases is because the size of the government has grown. i saw an ad with senator donnelly chopping up some woo d, and it reminded me of this -- the force dwindled, but the trees -- [indiscernible] >> thank you for being here again to share your views on these very important issues.
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