tv Campaign 2018 Wisconsin U.S. Senate Debate CSPAN November 2, 2018 12:28am-1:31am EDT
with a new bus providing hands-on, interactive experiences. watch for us in your community. >> with five more days before the election, c-span is your source for campaign 2018. next, a look at the senate race in wisconsin between tammy baldwin and her republican challenger. this final debate focus on health care, immigration, and the deficit, among other topics. this is just under one hour. tonight's, a commitments 2018 election special. debate, innate partnership with marquette university law school. and deb tammy baldwin and republican challengers meet in their final race.
the race is one of the most watch in the country control of the senate at stake. tammy baldwin, wisconsin's junior senator is seeking her second term. leah, a state senator, is making her first run at statewide office. look at what we have done here in wisconsin. and now, here are schneider's moderators, wis and political analyst. >> good evening and welcome to the debate. tonight, we have the candidates for u.s. senate with us. democrat tammy baldwin and the republican challenger. this is the first -- third and
final debate. the format will be straightforward. we'll have a conversation. i will be asking candidates about issues that are important, i will last them to respond directly and concisely, and if they may choose, they may speak directly to each other by will be managing the time to move the conversation along to make sure we can cover a wide range of topics. the hour, each candidate will get a minute long closing state, suite again with the first question going to the incumbent. >> earlier this month, president trump said i'm not on the ticket, i am on the ticket. this is in part, a referendum on me. is it a referendum on donald trump? what is on the ballot is the concerns of wisconsin citizens. as i participated in this
campaign as well as my service years, theyt six have been very involved, wisconsin voters and constituents this past two years, as they are concerned about what is on the ballot, health care, whether we cover pre-existing conditions or not. gave 83% of the benefits to the top 1%, massive corporations rather than middle class working families. those are the issues that they have been involved in. now, as the campaign comes to its final days, they are involved in voting for candidates who have their back, who are fighting for them, and standing up to candidates who are in the pockets of special interests. about theset is issues that affect us intimately. , gettingre is personal
ahead in this economy is personal, and that is what people are looking for. >> president trump has been very successful in the two years he has been in office. and what we have done in wisconsin mirrors what he has done. think about regulatory reform, tax relief, how the economy is booming with a gdp growth that nobody would have predicted, when i think about what we have been able to accomplish similarly by using the principles of limited government and making sure we recognize that people's hard , ined dollars are there's think it is really important that you see the successes we have done here. people are looking for leaders who follow through on their promises, just like we have overseen an economic miracle in the state. that is exactly what is happening at the federal level, and people want individuals who are going to follow through i
represent the middle class. i'm a middle-class mom who never thought i would get into politics. interests that senator bobbleheads received, millions of dollars, and that is what people want, somebody they somebody who, understands their day-to-day challenges, and that's what this election is about. >> i assume you are pleased the present is coming to campaign on your behalf. >> very happy, another promisee is followed through on. he said he would come to wisconsin, and he is following through. >> and barack obama is coming next week. i assume you feel he is valuable to you here? valuable,that he is because he really engaged people in this process. i worked with the president to try to bring health care that people could afford,
higher-quality to more and more people. that i have fought to save those protections, especially those with pre-existing conditions. amendment to allow young people to stay on their health insurance. and other vital protections. my opponent was the deciding vote to throw off the affordable care act, to move tens of millions off of insurance. but i do want to say about president trump, we should be proud with the president comes to visit, that's a big deal. and when the president was in kenosha last year, he came to sign a by america executive order. at that visit, he endorsed my measure to allow and require that our drinking water infrastructure be made with american steel and iron, american workers. two i'm a he is
going to sign a bill of water infrastructure bill that has my eyes america provision. -- by america provision. you raise the issue of health care, and i want to get into this. we have profound differences with how we deal with health care coverage. it is this narrative you here right now from democrats. they say that if obamacare is repealed, people will lose coverage for pre-existing conditions. senator mcconnell says we might take another look at repealing obamacare. would you be proud to cast the deciding vote if it came to that? >> obamacare needs to go, here is the interesting line being perpetuated in this campaign. they keep saying that 2.4 million people are going to lose coverage for pre-existing conditions. i have said over and over i would fall in front of a truck for letting people go about
she knows that federal law says if you are on medicare or medicaid, you are covered. obamacare went away, people butd still be covered people then, who were not employer-based, we took care of people with the health insurance risk sharing pool. and because we have done such a great job, we have fewer people who are uninsured or do not have employer-based insurance. that means we have a smaller group of people we need to cover. am committed say i to covering those who need coverage. people forabout the whom a is going to throw off her insurance. her program says that if you are on medicare, medicaid, the affordable care act, if you are
on tri-care or employer insurance, that will be dismantled over the course of four years. i have said this for three debates now, i am waiting for the media to come out and say look at this. because it is just amazing to me that nobody is looking at her own bill. i don't even think sen. baldwin: is looked at her bill. 105-107, it says that you will dismantled those programs. talk about putting people at risk, talk about creating chaos, that is what her plan will do, and nobody in the media is talking about it, but that is the fact. baldwin: i will have you respond. it says that your plan that you have endorsed would throw the system into chaos. why is it a good idea to replace what we have now with something that is one new enterprise.
first of all, i support several different measures. how we patient be debated, and we should have options. we have a very important vote in the senate last summer. it went down by one vote when john mccain gave the thumbs down to repealing the affordable care act and leaving so many without protections or health insurance. moment, i believed it was possible for democrats and republicans to work together and i have to hope it will be at the time we stop playing politics my get serious but opponent's that she would have been the deciding vote is to backwards to the bad old days. the cost ofy of moving forward and moving towards some of the innovation
say that the bad old days cost more. that, prior toy the guarantees for people with pre-existing conditions can have coverage and many people were left in the lurch. leah vukmir talks about her record as a nurse. i am more worried about her record as a politician. she has voted with insurance companies time over time. scott walker -- leah vukmir: i need to respond to that. mike gousha: go ahead. leah vukmir: i am glad senator baldwin brought up how it will be paid for. how will you pay for this? $32 trillion. we are already dealing with a debt problem.
$32 trillion. she has no plans to pay for it. it is not just a conservative think tank that has that figure, but the urban institute has said the same thing. in canada and england you can have private insurance. senator baldwin would deny people the ability to purchase insurance. people will be waiting in line. people waiting in emergency rooms. people wait two months in england after the onset of a diagnosis to the beginning of treatment. i cannot imagine being diagnosed with breast cancer. and waiting two months. let's talk about oral chemo. the very thing i was worried about happening has occurred. the harvard unc study said the states who have passed similar legislation to what happened in wisconsin, individuals who are receiving oral chemo are finding the cost has gone up. senator baldwin wants to say i am somebody who is only concerned about insurers. i was skeptical of the insurance
industry. that is why i was concerned. my concerns have been proven. it is costing the individuals one money and making it harder for them to have access. mike gousha: how you pay for something that cost $32 trillion? tammy baldwin: if it is going to cost more to go backwards, there is never a debate on that. the cost have been born in bankruptcy courts. i remember hearing, prior to the affordable care act, the name susan. her husband got cancer. she looked at the fine print on the insurance and a covered or -- it covered $13,000 of chemo. that is just the first-round. the second round, the family max out their credit cards. third round, they took a home equity loan. her husband died and they went bankrupt.
that was the story of how we paid for it in the years before we had protections that protected people with pre-existing conditions. leah vukmir: people will still be covered-- mike gousha: let her finish. tammy baldwin: the high risk insurance program covered 1% of wisconsinites with pre-existing conditions. there was a lifetime cap with a six-month wait and it was out of reach for most. leah vukmir seems to be more concerned with bottom line insurance companies than her constituents in wisconsin. mike gousha: the question is how we pay for it? tammy baldwin: the transition between the patchwork quilt we have now and medicare for all would be gradual. part of that is, what is on the table for debate. i can assure you, this president
is not going to be signing a medicare for all acts into law. we can be sure of that. we have time to debate this. the problem is that my opponent wants to go back and not move forward. we should all have an aspiration in america that everybody has access to high-quality, affordable health care, and i support a proposal to buy into medicare. i support badger care as an to buy into in the affordable care marketplace. we should talk about innovative ideas to build us in this direction. my opponent wants to go back. mike gousha: i want to ask question. leah vukmir: no. i want to respond. mike gousha: i need to ask a question. governor walker has also said we will guarantee coverage for pre-existing conditions and pass legislation. the assembly passed legislation but the senate did not.
this week, the senate majority leader, when he was asked if they had the votes to pass legislation to cover pre-existing conditions he said, i am not sure. leah vukmir: that's why you need to elect name. mike gousha: he changed his mind. if i'm a person with a pre-existing condition and i hear that kind of wavering. shouldn't i be a brand sold about what could come down the road? leah vukmir: i said it before. if obamacare goes away today, federal law says that if you are on medicare, medicaid, and them -- you are covered for pre-existing conditions and will cover the rest. senator baldwin talks about going backwards. going backwards is telling seniors you no longer have medicare advantage. i cannot believe senator baldwin wants to literally throw grandma off of a cliff. that is what she is doing. it would create chaos of epic proportion.
she does not even understand her own bill. i believe we need to bring the power back to the states. we knew what we were doing before obamacare came in. mike gousha: there were fewer people covered and they paid more in the risk pool. leah vukmir: i think there will be fewer people and the risk pool because the economy is turning because we have more people going back to work. we are committed to taking care of those who are currently covered. i want to know why no one is talking about the 3.4 million people who will be thrown off of insurance. everyone keeps fixating on the light senator baldwin and others are perpetuating. what about the individuals who will no longer have insurance? i did an ad that was out this week. a woman with a very rare lung disease is frightened over the fact that she may not have the doctor or specialist who can
cure her disease. that does not matter to senator baldwin. mike gousha: we were wrapping this up. 15 seconds. tammy baldwin: leah vukmir supports a loss that would cut protections for pre-existing conditions and supports repealing the aca. mike gousha: it's in your bill leah vukmir: it's in your bill. mike gousha: please. tammy baldwin: shippable -- she supports the president's and the ministrations attempt to unravel the protections we have. mike gousha: eight years ago we sat in an u.s. senate debate and one of the things talked about was the federal deficit. we hear the federal deficit is $779 billion for the last year. national debt is nearly $22 trillion. why aren't republicans and democrats talking about this as an issue? why is this not a priority? why is it not a discussion we're
having? leah vukmir: it is a priority to me. i got into politics out of circumstance, not ambition. i am a middle-class mom. i know what families go through. they sit around the table and live within their means. they expect people in madison and washington to do the same. we have been balancing our budgets but they have not been doing it in washington. that is why we need people who are willing to go do heavy lifting. greater than $20 trillion debt is absolutely unsustainable i may cannot continue to pass it on to future generations. we have to have a balanced budget. that is the simplest thing to do. we need to restore more power back to the state through the principle of federalism. there is a duplication of services at the federal and state level. let's bring the money back to the states and restore spending caps.
the last budget senator baldwin voted for was a $1.3 trillion budget with $138 billion of spending caps and blew through that. that is not responsible. senator baldwin has a spending problem. the government has a spending problem. she is willing to continue to the end. i will not. mike gousha: why is it not a top of my topic for you? tammy baldwin: i have brought it up in every speech i have given this week. there is a 17% increase in the deficit. the analysis is that it is overwhelmingly do to the tax bill that passed last year that wickmayer supports. that bill gave an 83% break to the top 1% and multinational and major powerful corporations on the corporate side.
that 83% was helping working people and middle-class families , i would have voted for it. one company, exxon mobil in the first year of the tax measure is going to get a bigger tax break than every wisconsin family and individual one company. and now the proponents of it are not talking about paring back on those breaks, but instead, going after earned benefits like social security and medicare to balance the budget. to your question, i believe we need to take a balanced approach to whittle down our deficit. i believe some of it has to be on spending, and some of it has to be getting rid of these lavish loopholes for the powerful. i worked for the middle class and hard-working people in the state of wisconsin, not for the
corporations who lobbied for this tax break. who write bills for state legislators to introduce. ast is to i want to work for we lower the deficit without harming people. senator mcconnell said that we might have to take a look at what he says our entitlement programs. him, do wee with have to make changes to those programs? >> senator mcconnell, that is your version of what he said, but more importantly, the president has said specifically that he does not support social security reform. i am standing with the president on that. >> how we reduce the deficit if we don't want to look at a tax cut or entitlement? said, first and foremost, we have to have a balanced budget.
and then we restore the spending caps. then, what we need to do is restore federalism. that is what our founding fathers envisioned. so much power has been given to the federal government. we have duplications between a department of education and public instruction. returns the resources back to -- beates, and let us see more efficient at the state level. senator baldwin says she represents the middle class, but you have forgotten the middle have collected $3 million from the taxpayers. you have forgotten the people back home, you mocked the tax cuts. i have been traveling the state talking to people. that is 1500-$2000 making a difference in their lives. and you make it as an either/or. you have to not only look at this from the perspective of the
deficit, but what we need to do is cut the spending. cut the spending, and that is something you have not been able to do. we were talking about the overall performance of the economy and this increasing deficit. the economy is not working for all people. macro looks pretty good, but talk to a dairy farm, and you know we are in deep trouble. talk to a manufacturing worker who has not seen a wage raise in years, despite the fact that their employer has just gotten a huge tax break. we need to make the economy in wisconsin work for working people, middle-class families. and i believe it was irresponsible to vote for a tax bill that doesn't just the opposite. our tax code ought to reward hard work and respect the dignity of hard work, and not
give so much of its benefits to the top that one corporation, like exxon mobil, makes more in the first year of this tax break and then all of us in this room and the rest of the state combined. , based onr the record what i am hearing, you are saying that if social security were being looked at down the road, and i don't see anybody sit saying they would raise the or changingof age the cap on income for social security, do you agree with any of those things, or is that off the table. >> the last time we made some major changes was when reagan put together a bipartisan commission and gave congress a vote.
we could do it that way again, but listen, at a time when pensions are in jeopardy, retirements have been spent sending kids to college and high medical expenses, that is the last time to weaken something that wisconsin actually helped write. certainly, people at or near retirement need to know that we are committed and following our promises, but beyond that, we need a national discussion. and young people are already talking about it. they don't trust what is going to be there for them when they get close to retirement age, so we need to have that discussion, but let's talk about things in wisconsin you just brought up pensions, we have a fully funded pension and wisconsin, it is because of responsible governing by people who understand economic principles. a 9.3% unemployment rate, and now it is less than 3% 2.7%.
we have a $3.6 billion budget deficit in 2011, and now we have surpluses. need,s the leadership you people who understand what works and will follow through and get it done, that is why i'm running. when i listen to employers across the state, they are talking about the fact that there is a skills gap. and we have people who want to work. the macroeconomy, those numbers are not good, people are struggling at the grassroots, whether it is agriculture, manufacturing, or elsewhere. i think that we absolutely need to extend opportunities like apprenticeships, my act would do that in significant ways so that people could actually earn while they learn, not necessarily just go into debt as they build up skills. we need to do this quickly and focus on people who want to work but have not been given that opportunity.
i want to ask a question. you're were talking about what you hear from younger people, and one of the things we hear is that they have student loan debt and need help. what is the proper role of the u.s. senator in addressing this issue? >> get the government out of the business of providing loans. it has been absolutely abominable what has happened to our students. and we need to get the government out of the way. >> you favor refinancing? we need to get the government out of the business of loans so that our kids have jobs when they are graduating. happened ishat is just awful. what has happened now is that you are incentivizing universities just increase their tuition.
we in wisconsin have been committed to taking care of our college kids, and that is why we have frozen tuition for the last seven or eight. but it is important, this is another example where we are so different. senator baldwin always believes the government has a solution, but the federal government should not be in the business of loans. >> it is a vital issue. see theirdren who older systems going deep into debt for a higher education are rethinking whether they should even do what their families and society have told them to do. i don't think the problem with student debt is government, i think it is wall street. anhink that they have interest in keeping that law that says students can't renegotiate lower interest rates. you can refinance a car, you can refinance your home, but students or graduates with debt cannot do that.
we have to be willing to stand up with those interests. we have to be willing to stand up and fight on the half of students, seniors, those with pre-existing health conditions, and we cannot have leaders who are beholden to the special interest. >> i need to respond to the special interest notion. it's all i hear. i would love to hear her talk about what she stands for, instead, all she does is attacked me. before, senator baldwin: you have received $26 million in special interest money. $600,000 from groups and organizations that benefit from the affordable care act. a hundredeceived $50,000 from planned parenthood, the largest provider of abortions in the country. 17 of your former aides have gone on to become lobbyists in washington dc and they have encouraged and lobbied you. check out the facts.
to say that i, as a middle-class mom got into politics because i was concerned about my daughter's education, that i've in the back pocket of special interests is laughable. and while you are talking about long to anzation, i organization that believes that government closest to people is best, imagine that. our founding fathers thought that, and senator baldwin, last time i checked, you did not send back the money you received from i am proud to say that my average online contribution is $19, and some of the very special interests have committed to my campaign are people like tara and jenny, and so many others who have told me their stories about caring for a loved one who won't be able to get health insurance.
this is an ironic statement after we have seen over $14 million of super pack secret of spending launched against me before i even had an opponent. nobody had announced in the spring of 2017 that they were thinking of or were going to run for senate. most viewers who watch television have seen the attack ads and that they are funded by powerful special interest groups to the extent we can see who they are funded by. the koch brothers, the names go on. the names go on those folks have an agenda and they want a senator who is going to do their bidding. otherwise, why would they spend $14 million attacking me? i will always fight for wisconsin and i will stand up to
those at every turn. leah vukmir: there were no promises made -- mike gousha: we are moving on to another topic. >> do you need a nurse? [laughter] mike gousha: nice moment of levity. rep. vukmir: i'm here for you. mike gousha: the secretary of state said the u.s. is reaching a moment of crisis because of the record number of migrants coming into the country. senator, is it a crisis? sen. baldwin: i am the daughter of greek immigrants. my childhood was spent watching my aunts and uncles come to the country. my dad came here from the -- greece and went through process to become a citizen. what is happening at the border is chaos.
it is chaos that senator baldwin is happy to go along with. anyone can come in. we have heard it is close to 4000 people coming in or close to the border. they know those three words. i want asylum. senator baldwin has not been willing to work on changing the rules. what happens because of those words, everyone who wants to get across the border gets across the border. unfortunately, our border security is overwhelmed. they are trying to process people as fast as they can. they let them go. it is a catch and release program. mike gousha: so we are in a moment of crisis. rep. vukmir: i do. we need people who can stand with the president to seal the border. senator baldwin wants open borders. sen. baldwin: that's nonsense. leah is lying.
again. mike gousha: please. sen. baldwin: when i first came to the u.s. senate, democrats and republicans worked together to craft a bipartisan conference -- comprehensive immigration reform bill. it dealt with border security and had 20,000 new border agents assigned to the southern border. it dealt with a pathway to citizenship for dreamers and others and it dealt with some things we are concerned about in wisconsin, where agricultural be -- agricultural visas do not meet the needs of most of our farmers. we are the dairy state. cows need to be milked every day and most agricultural visa programs are for planting and harvest seasons. it is clear that the current system is broken and needs fixing. i voted for that bill and it passed with 68 votes in the u.s. senate.
unfortunately, the house did not bring it up. my opponent wants more of a political issue to run on, rather than solutions. other than saying that she will build a wall and do nothing also -- nothing else until the wall is built, i have heard nothing to solve this problem. mike gousha: i want u.s. each of -- i want to ask each of you a basic question. what do we do with the undocumented people in the state of wisconsin now? rep. vukmir: i believe in building the wall. once we have the wall and commitment, then we can look at taking care of the daca children. nobody wants them to not have a pathway to citizenship. we have to have commitment first. people are taking advantage of our porous walls. it is not just an issue of illegal immigration, it is gang members and human drug traffickers.
it is a public health risk. i am a nurse. senator baldwin prefers chaos. she had an opportunity. mike gousha: what do we do with the people in the state of wisconsin who are undocumented? rep. vukmir: we have to make sure we have commitment to build the wall. then the individuals need to go through a process, a pathway. -- pathway to citizenship. it is not a wave of a wand. people should not just have the privilege of coming into this country and taking advantage of all it has to offer without going through the process as so many others have and are currently going through in order to become a legal citizen. senator baldwin wants to bear -- wants to through that all -- throw that all-out. mike gousha: what do we have to do or do we do anything with people in the state illegally? sen. baldwin: the comprehensive immigration reform bill i
described in 2013 had an answer. i would tell you that, like many things in politics, it was a compromise. they were provisions i do not like and provisions i thought were good. that is how the system works. you cannot dig in your heels and say we're not talking about these things until however long it takes to do one thing. i want to add, because of my opponent's reference to drug trafficking, we do have an opioid epidemic. it is a drug abuse epidemic in the country and state. there is a drug called fentanyl which is 100 times more powerful than heroin. a lot of that is coming through a different port of entry. it is coming through our international mail facilities because manufacturers in china are mailing it. -- mailing it in. that is why i was proud to work across party aisles to raise enforcement at the port of entry in the u.s. and hopefully, the
president will sign the response act of 2018 legislation into law this week. mike gousha: i would like to talk foreign policy. please keep the answers as tight as possible. we had the death of the jamal khashoggi journalist -- of the journalist jamal khashoggi who has been critical of the saudi royal family. he wrote for the washington post and was a resident of the u.s., not a citizen but a resident. this evening, the saudi government said he died during a fight inside the consulate in a -- in istanbul. turkish sources say otherwise. they say he was murdered and then dismembered. as members of the senate, what is the proper response? should there be serious sanctions against saudi arabia? senator baldwin. sen. baldwin: absolutely.
mike gousha: and what does serious main? -- mean? sen. baldwin: serious would be parallel to two of the measures i voted on earlier this year to stop our arms sales, especially munitions and aircraft that are going on if we do not stop them. mike gousha: the $110 billion -- sen. baldwin: what we are learning about the death is horrifying. i believe we should be cracking down on saudi arabia because of their involvement in a proxy war in yemen. what was not reported on much although we did see some was the saudi arabians bombing a school bus and killing 40 children. this is something we have to step up against. it is not just this. we should ramp up from there and
cancel the munition deals that are out there. rep. vukmir: it is barbaric and horrible to think that anyone would do what was done there. the president wants to make sure he has all the information before he makes a decision on sanctions. if we know who has done exactly what has been alleged, then we must have sanctions. mike gousha: arms deals that are pending? sen. vukmir: i trust the president based on the information he has. that is a complex region of the world. we have to understand that we have to balance our concerns for humanitarian needs along with creating peace and stability in a region that is difficult. it is important to give the president time to get to the bottom of what happened, to talk to his advisers and then make
decisions moving forward. sen. baldwin: the president's position has evolved throughout the week. he said he would wait for the saudi arabian investigation to conclude. now he is listening to intelligence advisers and military advisers and has concluded -- it is unbelievable to me that he would accept saudi arabia's word for what might have happened. mike gousha: moving to afghanistan. american troops have been in afghanistan for 17 years. this past week, we saw an attack where a u.s. commander narrowly escaped a police chief. how long do we keep troops in afghanistan? vukmir. sen. vukmir: that was not an
optional war. thousands of americans were killed on our soil planned by evil forces in afghanistan. i have a son in the military. this issue is very central to how i look at the world. it is important that we make decisions based on where those threats to national security are. if there are safe havens or places where terrorists are training, planning, and plotting, it is in our national security interest to make sure we maintain a presence. that applies to afghanistan or anywhere else. we have to root out the state -- safe havens. these people are extreme. they want to take down the ideals of the country. session of this great -- the ideals of this great country. we have to be careful moving
forward that once we know -- we have taken care of these safe haven's, we need regional powers to come in. syria is another area. once we know we have taken care of the state havens, we need to allow regional powers to come in and stabilize. not an optional war. mike gousha: how long do we keep troops in afghanistan? sen. baldwin: i was serving in the house of representatives during 9/11. i voted to authorize use of force in afghanistan. i voted for a clear mission. that was a narrow mission to go after those who were the architects of the 9/11 attack and anyone who offer them safe haven. this is not year two of the war. this is the beginning of your this year -- the beginning of year 18. i cannot imagine anything we will be doing differently in your 18 that justifies keeping our troops there.
i believe our troops should come home. afghans must take control of their own future. sen. vukmir: even if they are still training people there? i have a son in the military, maybe because you don't have a child in the military you don't look at it the way i do. mike gousha: let her finish her point. sen. baldwin: i have great respect for those who server -- serve our nation. i have respect for the need to have a clear mission and to stick to that. our troops in afghanistan should come home. mike gousha: a question about nato. president trump expressed concern about nato and has hinted the withdrawal of the u.s. may have been on the table. for at least a while. should the u.s. senate have to approve a u.s. withdrawal from
nato? should be a two thirds vote? sen. baldwin: absolutely. in light of the time when -- a time when international agreements have been disregarded by the president, in particular about -- in particular i think about the message this sends to putin who is watching the president of the u.s. get out of the paris accord, iranian nuclear deal, walk away from other international alliances, or at least condemn them verbally. we keep our word. part of the reason why the u.s. as great -- has great world influence is because of that. the only time article five of the nato agreement has been
invoked was by the u.s. after 9/11. our international allies came to our side. we must respect that. i do not think the president should be able to do anything of that sort unilaterally. sen. vukmir: i am pleased that the president has stepped up and said we have to do our fair share. this is part of the pattern which is refreshing. this president is standing up to foreign leaders, not bowing to them literally or figuratively as the previous resident did. senator baldwin talks about these international agreements and you have voted against dozens of the trade agreements. you are all over the map when it comes to tariffs. you criticized the original deals with mexico and canada.
as our president negotiated them, you criticized him. your website says you were part of nafta renegotiations. you are all over the map. it is important that we understand where you stand. mike gousha: i am going to give you a chance. sen. vukmir: you voted against these deals-- mike gousha: we are going to run out of time. do you think the senate should have the ability to weigh in on whether or not the president wants to get out of nato? sen. vukmir: things are working out fine and i'm glad the president is standing up on our behalf. mike gousha: a chance to respond. sen. baldwin: to leah vukmir's comment, i have been a long critic of nafta.
it has not done well by our manufacturing economy. we have lost too many jobs. i agreed with the president when he said we should be negotiated. -- we should renegotiate it. when i claim involvement, it is frequently occasion with sonny perdue on behalf of dairy farmers and communication with a u.s. trade representative about issues with canada and dairy and certainly frequent discussions with secretary ross about america and the procurement sections. i believe the new deal being proposed is an improvement that i have not -- but i have not finished studying it and do not believe some envisions will be enforceable. sen. vukmir: our farmers need access to more markets. you are all over the map. what you are doing is sounding like chicken little and saying the sky is falling. you are giving china the sense
that we are making a deal and that will hurt farmers. china's crumbling. their gdp is lowering and it has shown that what the president is doing is working. mike gousha: moving on to another topic. this has been front and center. you have been critical of how the office handled the opioid crisis at the v.a. the overprescription of opioids to veterans. you have run a couple of ads on this topic. one of them says that you have spent your life helping patients and senator baldwin spent hers playing politics. i want to be sure i am interpreting that correctly. are you saying that senator baldwin was somehow responsible for the deaths of veterans? sen. vukmir: my word is my word
but senator baldwin turned that into a political situation. she had information and sat on it for eight months. there was a veteran who was trying so hard to get the word out and senator baldwin hired hillary clinton's attorney and offered hush money, tax-- -- taxpayer-funded hush money. sen. baldwin: those are lies. sen. vukmir: read the complaints. fox guarding the hen house. the report will take your breath away. senator baldwin, you are the one playing politics. you sent a letter to every registered voter talking about what happened at toma. mike gousha: give her a chance to respond. sen. baldwin: first of all, almost every sentence she uttered his not truthful. -- is totally untruthful.
i believe leah vukmir should be ashamed of it using the death of a marine veteran for her own political gain. this is outrageous to me. when i found out about what was happening at the toma v.a. and found out it was happening throughout the v.a. system, i worked with the family of one of the victims to help write strong legislation in his name as a memorial to his legacy, to totally transform the opioid prescribing in the v.a. when that legislation passed and was signed into law and has been implemented, it is working. at toma, 47% fewer veterans are being prescribed chronic opioids. and, 74% fewer are being prescribed the dangerous interactive benzodiazepines.
it is working. i try to fix problems. we should not be playing politics with our veterans who have earned and deserve to the care they get. mike gousha: one more question. senator baldwin, you have conceded in interviews that mistakes in communication were made. mistakes in how quickly your office responded to the concerns. why is that not a valid issue in the race? why should people be ashamed of raising the issue? sen. baldwin: i owned up and said there were mistakes into -- in communication. sen. vukmir: after eight months. sen. baldwin: that is not true. i addressed them. i prove myself every day by fighting for veterans and having legislative and other responses to the problems. veterans in wisconsin know i fight for them. mike gousha: i can only give out 45 seconds.
the marine who died, his family was in an ad and his dad said every time i hear them attacking senator baldwin he wants to say stop. you say you are a military mom, he is a military dad. why not listen to him? sen. vukmir: they ought to be commended for forgiving senator baldwin for dropping the ball. it was more than just jason. there were so many veterans affected. there were drugs leeching into the community at a time when we have a serious opioid addiction problem. to think you had such careless disregard and could not be accountable to our veterans. how can we expect you to be accountable to the rest of the residence? residents of the state of wisconsin? it is wrong. she dropped the ball. it would have been far better to admit it right away and move on. now you have made a political by doing all the things you have
done since then. shame on you. mike gousha: 15 seconds. sen. baldwin: i got results by working with a family who decided bravely to turn a tragedy and to help for others. -- into help for other veterans. that is what it is doing. working with the dav, vfw. democrats and republicans alike in the u.s. congress. that is not playing politics. that is getting results. mike gousha: let me wrap this part of our evening up. we're going into closing statements now. we flipped a coin to determine the order. we begin with senator vukmir. get ready. sen. vukmir: the contrast could not be more clear and it boils down to trust. who will you trust on health care? the career politician who has spent her life walking the halls of government? or the career nurse who has spent her life walking the halls of great? -- of great hospitals in our
state? two will you trust on immigration reform? the senator who supports open borders and sanctuary cities? or the daughter of immigrants who believes we are nations laws -- we are a nation of laws that must be upheld. senator baldwin believes and has supported 413 different tax increases. or, the mom with a cause who has overseen $8 billion of tax relief to the people of wisconsin. who will you trust for veterans? senator baldwin or myself, who has always had their backs? i spent my life caring for my patients in need and families. i have taken and made a difference in her lives. i want to take the same passion to washington. i am asking for your vote on november 6. mike gousha: thank you. sen. baldwin:. -- senator baldwin? sen. baldwin: i want to thank
you, mike, and our viewers tonight. i want to thank leo for agreeing to debate. these three debates have shown this start and clear contrast between the two of us. -- stark and clear contrast between the two of us. no sharper distinction then the tax legislation that leah vukmir has supported that gives 83% of benefits to the top richest 1% and big corporations. if it had been the other way around, i would have supported it. those who support the tax bill are looking at cutting earned benefits like social security and medicare in order to cover the $2 trillion cost. i am unafraid to stand up to wall street, multinational corporations, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies. i want to continue to fight for wisconsinites. i hope you will give me the opportunity. it is an honor and ask for your vote. mike gousha: thank you. again, thank you to everyone at the law school for their attendance and everyone at home for watching.
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