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>> look at the breakdown and impact of the mid-term elections continues this afternoon with u.s. news and world report white house and political analyst ken walsh. moderating smithsonian associate 2018 discussion on the midterm election, live on c-span. new congress, new leaders, you can watch the process unfold on c-span. the lame duck congress returns tuesday, the house will get back election funding the federal government and the vote on coast for guard programs and nomination for the federal reserve board. on can watch the house live c-span and the senate live on
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c-span2. >> as your primary source for campaign 2018, we brought you debates in the most competitive races, only on 160 races from across the country. the voters have decided on a new with new leaders, watch the process unfold on c-span. francine, let me begin with you. >> we are back joined by david of cq roll tributor call, senior editor and francine with , correspondent christian science monitor. let me begin with you, the democrats of the taking back control of the house? francine kiefer: it's hugely a check on the trump administration, that is probably most important aspect the house.ing over they will, i'm sure, use their investigative powers. to begin obably going starting with yesterday's news
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evelopment of the resignation or forced resignation of attorney general jeff sessions and use for messages for 2020. they'll have to show they need they will try some bipartisan efforts with the resident and republicans and whether that will work, i have no idea. host: david hawkings, lessons learned from previous year? avid hawkings: sometimes they are productive, genuinely true after the first divided divided -- well, congress, divided government can sometimes produce things. congresses canded produce things if there is political will, where both ides, republicans and democrats, conclude that voters want some sort of governance to on the next time. i don't think that is what we're going to have in the next two years on all, but a handful of issues. there are a few things president talked about most of them talked about
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reduction in prescription drugs, the president's infrastructure package, trillion dollars in public works like a , which sounds democratic thing, the republicans also agree that if some public-private partnership, the country needs newer roads and bridges, there about regulating social media, a little bit of that, tax cut, a few things both sides could want to of course, is audiences probably watching, already.impediments host: they will be led in the house by nancy pelosi. kiefer, does she become the next speaker of the house in january? it is highly r: likely she will be the next speaker. democrats group of that said never pelosi and who supporting n not her, but who is the other possibility? there is no other possibility.
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no one has raised their hand so far. says, she's got the chops, she's got the experience. many of thesed so incoming members of congress and her because she's helped them and just delivered the house to them. speaker already, she already knows how to negotiate with president trump, can't really imagine that she's not going to be the next speaker. host: let's listen to what she when asked why she hould be speaker at yesterday news conference. nancy pelosi: i heard the resident say i deserve to be the speaker. i don't think anybody deserves anything. it is not about what you have done, it is about what you can do. what you have done in the past it is o credentials, about what you can do, i think i am the best person to go forward unify, to negotiate and i'm a can negotiator, as anyone see in terms of how we have won
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every negotiation so far. one we didn't win, it asn't negotiation, was the g.o.p. tax scam, dark of knight and speed of light, i said earlier. being my case is about the best person for how we go forward and i will not answer on that questions subject. we saw something this morning the conscious of our country, saw something this shows that differentiation and respect for diversity of our country. have to try to bridge that gap, to bring people together that, i think, i can do a good job at that. rather ot spend, i'd answer questions about policy and the rest. the record will speak for itself. david hawkings, i'm not going to answer any more that.ions on david hawkings: that is interesting, that was before he she wrotee statement, a letter to her colleagues that
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went out saying she was running. hat i think, here is how i would handicap this, one thing rs. pelosi says, when asked about her background, she's famously the daughter of a mayor of baltimore, the sister of former mayor of learn re, what did she about politics? i learned how to count. has mly believe that she counted, she knows every new member of the democratic caucus on her welley stand enough to declare candidacy, she trouble he would have winning another term as speaker, she wouldn't be running. think her announcing she will run, means she is confident she will win. famously two years ago, precision how many members of her own caucus would vote against her. two-thirds of the caucus vote, that is precisely what she got. francine kiefer, could could challenge come from and from whom? there, several : that could run, no one has
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yet.nced the question is, will any of now, tep up, even right with as david was saying, she seems to be very confident about locking it down. o the last time she was challenged, it came from representative tim ryan, from ohio. he has very specifically said he's not planning on challenging her right now. okay, that doesn't make it next very exciting for the person. host: why not from a younger like linda ople we need change of leadership. david hawkings: difficult to ount that challenge after a victory in which she is undeniably can take credit. raised, she is -- a milti millions for
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the party, even raised money for candidates who said they didn't happening she was the speaker. to be that didn't seem to bother her. talks, you i think vince win, baby.just that seems to be nancy pelosi's figurei will win now and this out later. it is also the case, being as ted speaker in january, michael boerner showed us, she will be speaker for the full two years. there is an enormous amount of pent-up ambition among the -- generation gsz of would-be house leaders and ambitions are not -- they can be checked for so long. long s been at this for a time, leader of the house democrats for 15 years, longer but one other person,
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famous sam rayburn, leader of he house caucus for a little bit longer. at some point, she'll have to treadmill.is francine kiefer: she recognizes that. she has recognized that and said speaker ore a bridge transitional speaker, how long clear, ll last is not whether the full two years until 2020 or whether it will be less than that. is kind of hard for me to imagine that she would step back the middle of an election year. go upould think she would to 2020, to the next election, i don't know. see what resting to the viewers have to say. i want to invite them into the conversation. 31% said they had e view of her voters were asked, who at the olling stations on tuesday, their opinion of nancy pelosi, according to exit polls.
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a favorable had view of her and n.est: that is before they wo republicanme the efforts to demonize nancy pelosi -- there are countless ads of faces morphing into nancy pelosi -- they were worried that could drive them down. it worked in a few districts. there were districts where republicans won. ,here is an anti-incumbent anti-washington sentiment. nancy pelosi has been at this for a political eternity. host: memphis, tennessee, a democrat. caller: good morning. i love nancy pelosi.
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the republicans try to demonize her. she is the best person for the job. have a nice day. host: larry, thanks. woody you think? caller: hello. how are you doing? host: good morning. caller: morning. i think she is the best person for the job. come nobody can compete with her resume, but the only thing it is, she is used to doing this. this is what she does. if you bring an inexperienced person in, they will run all over them. host: ok. let me ask the two of you this. entail the job going to over the next two years?
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the push and pull she will feel from outside groups, tom stier, for example, behind the impeach trump movement, and inside the congress. guest: you just mentioned outside groups. the greatest pressure will come on the impeachment question. she has been trying to push back on that. in her memory is the impeachment effort against bill clinton and how it backfired on the republicans. she does not want to be in that same position. you have these hot to trot democrats who want that and they will be putting the screws on her about that. the other problem is negotiating with donald trump. he is so variable, says one thing one minute, the next thing the next.
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feel likeuck schumer they went in last year and tried to negotiate on dreamers. , they did not have a deal on dreamers. that will be a tricky aspect of her child, negotiating with the -- whitese feared house. guest: there is another constituency. 38 people thinking of running for the democratic nomination. so she becomes -- >> in 2020. guest: just around the corner. yesterday. that is an enormous list. she becomes the nominal leader of the democratic party in the united states. after now second in line the vice president to the presidency. she is the leader of the democratic party. she will have to keep those people in line. she is good at keeping people
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seemingly unified. our of the people who won inurban centrists who won previously trump-friendly neighborhoods. they will not want to make this the impeachment congress, but liberals, whon, want to make it the impeachment congress. my guess is she will want to go slow and do lots of investigations, and she will want to wait until robert mueller is free and clear to deliver a clear roadmap for her as to what she should do on the i-word question. host: president trump tweeted this.
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i actually was confused about investigating democrats at the center level. i was actually confused about investigating democrats of the senate level. executive-level investigation, i am not sure how the senate would investigate house democrats. host: on the house side, this is the wall street journal this morning. maxine waters takes over the finance committee. nadler for judiciary. john yarmuth for the budget committee. it is an interesting list. .hey know what they are doing they are all veterans.
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the democrats, unlike the republicans who don't rely on seniority, we know who these people will be because the democrats have a reference for seniority. some of those people, jerry nadler comes to mind, the judiciary committee would tackle the impeachment issue, if it comes to that. he will have pressure back home. represents a liberal part of new york city. if he does not draw blood from there trump in some way, will be liberals wanting to take him on in a primary in two years. mr. neil was challenged on his left. he survived a primary challenge easily. he is the one who would be the likeliest to move first to get the president's tax returns. he has unilateral power to issue
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a subpoena. one thing the republicans did is change the house rules to give these chairman essentially unilateral power to issue subpoenas. they don't have to go through the formality of a committee vote. that couldrovisions allow a vote to make those tax returns public. host: going back to nancy pelosi's leadership, yesterday -- on election day, we had a .aller saying he voted he is an independent. he voted straight democrat because he wants the democrats to hold the president accountable, but does not want them to go too far. guest: that will be a tricky balancing act. some of this will be more under the radar. you will hear headlines about how democrats send letters to the administration, the way they already have on the jeff sessions situation. you will hear headlines about
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them asking to preserve all documents. that is the first step of an investigation, but that can bump along low profile for a while, then gets more high profile when you get hearings. if you don't get cooperation from the administration, then you go into subpoena mode. it depends on what level democrats keep this at, enough to show they are doing something, but as you were saying, david, it is a tricky balancing act. guest: the democratic talking point, i think i have heard of three or four times in the last day, his we can hold these oversight hearings. it is not just about the president and his behavior. there are other aspects of the government that the oversight muscle of the congress, which is at the core of the legislative branches powers, to legislate and oversee the administration of the laws, they let that
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atrophy the last two years. it's not just russia and the tax returns, there are other aspects that merit oversight. the democrats need to show they can do that and try and engage the president and senate republicans in serious policy negotiations. host: let's go to jason in california, republican. you ingood morning to gilroy, california. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. your question or comment. , i am proud to be an american. host: all right. isaac in baltimore, independent. caller: good morning. how are you? i do have a comment and a question. believe isis i do
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she is a great speaker. i am very proud of her. unfortunately we have a different administration in office which requires a new type of leadership on the democratic side to stand up to the trump administration. we have to find some way to get back to civility, normality, and just truth among simple things. , the president lied to the american public. a video posted accusing a cnn reporter. , saw thato saw that didn't happen. we need a leader in the house that can save these are the facts. this is the truth. we are going to stand for the vice the country was built on and we will not let you manipulate us. guest: the caller is from
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baltimore? talkedthe people being about in this next generation of leaders is not a younger person, but could be a bridge to a new generation of leaders, elijah cummings. he will be the new chairman of the house government oversight committee. he is a forceful voice, a serious guy, and african-american member, which is important because the congressional black caucus has been quite forceful in saying there needs to be an african-american lawmaker in the top echelons of the democratic leadership. right now, the number three leader for the house democrats, jim clyburn of south carolina, is the highest-ranking african-american. they want somebody who is number one or number two bank. host: this is -- two. host: this is the headline in
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the washington post. here is the quote. guest: that's what mr. cummings himself says. fair enough. thissay, i want to make point, this kind of routine oversight, the congress is supposed to look at how programs are being administered. is the money being spent wisely? is there waste, fraud, and abuse? are administration officials facing ethical lapses? our travel budgets too much? travel budgets too much? these questions need to be posed to any administration. the republicans did on the senate that in the first two years of the trump administration. host: let's turn our attention
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to the leadership. they are a force nancy pelosi has to reckon with. who is in the contest for minority leader? >> that is a competition between two people. who was thehy, majority leader, and now he wants to become the minority leader. you have competing with him jim jordan of ohio, who is far on the right, one of the founders of the house freedom caucus, a successor to the tea party, and urr in theen a b saddle of republicans since he got there. i would put my money on kevin mccarthy. he is very much plugged in as a people person with the republican conference.
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he is the kind of guy that goes bike writing with other fellow , a slap on the back kind of guy. he engineered that rise of conservative republicans with paul ryan and the group called young guns 10 years ago. he is close to the president and calls him practically daily. jim jordan has his following among conservatives. he is also popular with the president. they have a close relationship. because of this schism and the intransigence -- the house freedom caucus has shown, there will not be enough support for jim jordan. guest: the ability to influence things in the majority is different and reduced than when they were in the majority.
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when they were the segment of 10% or 15% of the majority, they could say we won not go along with that and denied the majority. now the republicans are in the minority. what is their power? they will not work with the democrats. so it is hard to see what their force is going forward, and also without getting too wonky -- host: you can't hear? guest: the way you get elected speaker is different than you get elected minority leader. you have to have a majority of the house of representatives voting for you. you have to get almost every vote. a hard time having putting that together because of the freedom conference. all you need is a majority of your own caucus voting. i think kevin mccarthy has that locked up. are some house races
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that have not been called. 222 democrats -- 223 democrats to 97 republicans. guest: some up to 200. yes, that would leave a dozen races to be called. let's say you split those and 205.p with 228 to there have been more narrowly controlled majorities. the republicans a few times in the early 2000's work even below that. it is about 52%? this is not an overwhelmingly democratic house them about because of the way the house works, very different from the senate, that 218th vote is key. with that, you get the keys to the good offices, every gavel, two thirds of budgets. , 218 a magical moment
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seats, 220 seats, or to it at 60 seats. ofis there the equivalent the freedom caucus on the democratic side. guest: there is the progressive caucus. i'm not sure what power they will have or how divisive that will be. what is interesting is that so much was made of the schism within the democratic party before the election. we have the self-proclaimed democratic-socialists rise up out of new york and knock off one of the house leaders in her primary. the berniely have sanders wing and the more established hillary clinton wing, but look at who got elected in this cycle. it was more pragmatic democrats. of votes onumbers the far left is pretty small. , peopleave pragmatists won the person who
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virginia seventh race. that was a steep climb. she has said i am willing to work with republicans, work across the aisle. i will be a pragmatists. you have a lot of candidates like her who got elected. i'm not sure this schism will be a problem. i think the bigger problem will come from outside activist groups. guest: i agree with that. host: david in beachwood, ohio. caller: good morning. i have a question about remembering john boehner and the of catsof -- hearding in the house. one of the prospective speakers, either majority or minority leader, as adept more so than john boehner given all the pragmatism rampant in the
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new congress? guest: yes, sir. if you were trying to assess nancy pelosi, her ability to hold her caucus together in the past has been impressive. now, the obama administration was new, and the democratic majority were stronger and more ideological verse than now. are thetwo wings liberal progressives and the center-left mainstreamers. 10 years ago, you had the blue dogs. nancy pelosi did an amazing job holding those folks together. unanimity in approving obamacare. in had near unanimity passing legislation to create a carbon tax, which the senate
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never took, but was a huge thing at the time. she is a good unifier. the democratic caucus does not have in the sense of the freedom caucus people who are willing to throw a wrench into the whole thing and say we will not help you. will such a thing emerge now? i tend to doubt it for the reasons you said. host: rockford, illinois, republican. caller: congratulations to the democrats. work will get you where you want to be. is, istion, my comment would like to see what elijah cummings does when all these papers come out from the fbi, come to the light of day, and how he deals with that dossier that was investigated.
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fair to theto be as american people about that theusion as he was about trump collusion? that will be interesting to see. host: ok. caller: thank you. host: david hawkings? guest: there will be interesting to see if the dossier gets delivered to congress. i tend to think that is not the kind of thing. to circle back to the point i was trying to make, one of the things the democrats will try to do -- first of all, they will not want to step on what robert mueller is doing. potential for friction if congress suddenly decides to run its own parallel investigation. happened in the last 24 hours with the departure of jeff sessions, if that creates a constitutional crisis in which
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the robert mueller investigation is bottled up, then the house democrats would probably launch their own independent investigation, but as long as the robert mueller investigation is going along, i think democrats will focus on other things, the spending, the trump hotels by foreign governments, the business dealings of jared kushner and ivanka trump, betsy evos, steven mnuchin, and other things not necessarily going to the dossier. guest: to your point, the democrats will choose to investigate different things than the republicans would choose to investigate. republicans would want to grab onto that dossier issue like a pitbull. democrats, no thanks. we would rather look at how james comey was fired.
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investigate the same kinds of things that republicans were investigating. host: ohio, democrat. caller: good morning. iwould tell you this election voted a straight democratic ticket. i was once a republican, but republicans left constitutional law, rule of law, and high moral standing. i could no longer vote for them. they left me. i did not leave them. ,ow i hope that the congress that they stand strong and stand firm, but they do it within constitutional law, rule of law, and high moral standard. we do not have that today because the republicans in the house and senate decided that they would go a long with trump and his tactics whatever they were. when trump came out and said he grabbed women by the body part
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and not one republican outside , the greatich governor of the great state of ohio, not one republican stood up for his wife, mother, daughter, granddaughter, nice, aunt, cousin, next-door neighbor, or his constituent, not one. they have left all of that behind for a -- and i will tell you what i call him -- a reprobate. timothy,cond book of the apostle paul said he is a reprobate. they left all of that for that man. i can understand leaving it for a good man, but they left it for a terrible man. host: kathryn, was that the moment you say the republican party left you? for when was it the republican party left you? caller: he said volcker things about women and they said
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ulgarng -- v things about women, african-americans, when they put children in prison, and i am a sunday school teacher, but in the second book of the bible, youh is exodus, if committed a crime of kidnapping, they are supposed to kill you. stand on aple who christian standard and they go along with this man and have given him a mulligan. there is no such thing in the bible as a mulligan. host: i have heard the point. i will leave it there. articulatinge something that millions of ,rustrated republicans do think and it will be fascinating to me , one of the things i will be watching for with the new , is justn leadership
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how loyal they remain to president trump. some people have called what you describe is a faustian bargain. they were willing to forgive personal limitations and rhetoric so long as the president would help them put more conservatives on the ,upreme court, the lower courts cut taxes, and repeal obama care. now the agenda will be different. can't workcans together with the president to get a conservative agenda, so will their willingness to be silent on his behavior remain? i think that is an open question. guest: what will be interesting to watch is what will happen when mitt romney gets to the senate. he has been quite a staunch critic of the president in the past. will he be the new jeff flake, the conscience of the senate on
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the republican side, calling out the president on these things? it will be an interesting thing to watch. flake writes the following in the washington post. he concludes writing this, "there is only one real way forward, but it starts with republicans leaving and something greater than president trump. now is the time to start." guest: there will be 37 democrats running. there may yet the challenge. kasichler mentioned john . i think he might be interested in doing that. the departing senator from arizona might be interested in doing that.
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there might be a more vocal, more volume underneath the ranks of the republicans who say it can't be the trump party anymore. >> the president said yesterday at that news conference that some house republicans lost races because they did not embrace him. guest: that was a remarkable moment in american political history. i don't think there has been a president of either party who sublicly danced on the grayve of defeated members of his own party. it showed you the president's tactic, that you are either with me -- i think he called it the embrace -- or i will make your life miserable. host: william in gainesville, texas, republican. caller: hello. good morning. i tell you what, it is great to be alive. i am happy with the elections somewhat. government will
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s'ay out of regular people lives. i don't need the government to take care of me. they don't do nothing for me. you want me to keep going? i have a list here. gripeody wants to a trump, but they don't look at bill clinton. he raped women too. i tell you, that woman that talked about the bible -- i am a sunday school teacher myself. i have been teaching a bunch of youth, which love me to death, and i love them just as much, and that's where it comes from, from the heart come in giving, you know? all these democrats want to do
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is tax the people. what do people work for? to make money. that is the whole key right there. so many people are brainwashed, just like trump said. i see it on cnn. i hate cnn. host: we will take the first part of your comment. he is happy because he does not think anything will happen in washington. will there be gridlock? .uest: that is a good guess there are a few areas where they could cooperate. one is lowering the price of health care. william would think that would be a good idea. another might be infrastructure projects, but the big problem there is finding the money to pay for infrastructure when we ,ave trillion dollar deficits so i am not hopeful about that one. don't see much cooperation on other areas. he talked about taxes.
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well, the president did mention the 10% middle-class tax cut. maybe they could come together on something like that, but there is no plan coming out of the white house on that. it's not like anybody has been writing legislation for this. william is probably on the ball. not too much will come out of this congress. guest: when the president made his argument that it was a great victory for him tuesday night, he talked about how he was happy to have the opportunity to work with the democrats. we should remember, how did we know the president from before he was president? the art of the deal. he is a transactional business guy. try to find some things. on getting run things done, being the dealmaker. i think something we haven't thought of will get done. host: let's listen to mitch
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mcconnell yesterday laying out the priorities for the divided congress. [video clip] >> we have to finish this session. we have to finish the farm bill. we have to finish funding the government. the one issue that leader pelosi and i discussed this morning is where there could be possible bipartisan agreement on infrastructure. it could be other things. i am not putting you down. when we do things together, it almost never makes news, even in this current situation where we have republicans controlling all three branches. i have a long list of things we ,id from water infrastructure the best appropriations process , airportrs infrastructure, fda and on.ation, on
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there are plenty of things we work together on. i always have to tell constituents who think we hate each other that the senate is a collegial place. even though we had big differences over things like taxes and judges, there were other things we did together. there is no reason that would stop because the house becomes democratic. >> what big issues are there on infrastructure? >> we will see. that will all be discussed. host: francine? guest: he is right. what they do work on and passed together does not get that much attention. together does not get that much attention. that has been more true in the past two years. headlines coming from the white house, just take brett kavanaugh, who consumed everything as the water bill was getting through the senate. it will not rise to the surface.
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like bretting kavanaugh is happening. getting to the agenda mitch mcconnell talked about, he said his top priority was going to be confirming more judicial appointments. top is going to be his priority, and he does not need democrats to do that. that will be his top priority. host: let's go to spartanburg, south carolina, independent. caller: good morning. host: morning. caller: i voted for john kasich in the primary. i don't know what happened to that guy. that lady from ohio hit every box except that democrats in washington had this huge walk away -- maybe you did not know about that. guyay, i agree with this who put the obamacare thing
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across the goal line. he said the only reason it was passed was because the american people were so uninformed that they could just do it. i think the democrats need to change. thank you. goodbye. nancy pelosi in her news theerence said we won house because we focused on health care. guest: the landscape has totally switch. the tea party came in on the anti-obamacare message. , 2018, democrats came in on they are going to take your health care way. we have to save obamacare, and improve on it, lowered the price of health care and prescription drugs.
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it is a completely different landscape. people have had insurance in the meantime. they have had troubles with it. there are a lot of people unhappy with it. and othersone well, have found the premium way too expensive. it obviously needs fixing. mcconnell said yesterday in done,fixing, but if it is it will be on a bipartisan basis. host: chuck schumer and nancy pelosi said yesterday that republicans, if they are with us on protecting pre-existing conditions, then they have to drop this lawsuit. they can't say one thing, but continue with the lawsuit. guest: i think that is a fair demand. in the lawsuites is now a senator elect, the attorney general of missouri, is now a senator elect. another protagonist in the
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nominee who lost. i think this lawsuit as a predicate to any service negotiations on fixing obamacare , this lawsuit will have to go away. host: in texas, republican. caller: hello. i have some things i would like to say. want of all, the democrats to be in control. every time you see them on television and they want to fight with president trump. president trump has done a lot for our country. he is not a politician. he is an american person who feels for the people of america. we have done well these last two years. , i haver what he does never heard the news say anything good about what he does, so to me, yesterday, when he said to that news reporter, you know, he took control.
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it is time the president of the united states stood up and said, i am president. i am for america come and i don't have to put up with this. enough is enough. host: ok. rockville, maryland, independent. caller: how are you doing? i wanted to make a comment. the general and who said he was a schoolteacher, the last word out of his mouth was, "i hate." i would hate for him to be my sunday school teacher. the problem is we don't have any unity in america right now. 12 people dead in california, which is a shame. 12 people killed a week or so ago in a synagogue. if we do not unify and bring love back to this country, we are headed for a civil war sure enough. it is unfortunate the leaders in congress on both sides of the aisle, the people don't have the
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representation for real. they are so consumed about destroying each other that they forget about the people in america. i am devastated to listen to the news and hear all the things these politicians are saying, but we have to pay attention to what is going on in our world, but we have such a divisive situation right now. i pray for this country. -- isdoes this congress this congress any different than previous congresses when it comes to the rhetoric? guest: it is more polarized, it is. i have been covering congress for a while. there is a steady progression where things are getting more upon the rise, more angry -- more polarized, more angry, and less patience. it used to be the case there was an ideological blend, that there were republicans that were more liberal than the most
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conservative democrats. that common ground is not exist anymore. hardened on the right and left. they don't spend time together anymore. it will be interesting to see if the democrats change this. the republican scheduling in the senate and members fly in on a tuesday, fly out thursday, and crammed their weekend to three days in the middle of the week. they would spend all their time fundraising. members don't know one another. thes easier to demonize other side when you have no personal interaction with anybody on the other side. host: go ahead. guest: it was interesting to have those two callers back to back. they have the same message. the republican caller was feeling like her site was not being heard. the independent was saying you guys hate us. out on the campaign trail, i hear when i'm talking
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to republicans or democrats great concern about the divide in america. anstrikes me there could be opportunity in 2024 f 2020r-type candidate -- four a healer-type candidate. based on people i talk to, you hear this complaint from both sides. host: fredericksburg, virginia, republican. caller: hi. actually i am an independent. i want to make two quick comments. one, when it came to what the senate does together, a lot of that doesn't make its way into the media. you are saying the reason that happens is because of tweets and all the trauma. -- drama. i would say that is the result of the media itself. they want clicks and money and that sort of thing.
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they choose what they want to report on, and they choose not to report on what the senate does together. they make the deliberate choice to report the trumpets -- trump misspelled the word yesterday. guest: that is a fair point. most media outlets are for-profit businesses. traffic to our websites and want advertisers who will pay, and as a result, we tend to gravitate to the most sensational thing. that is a fair point. it is also the case the president wants attention. when something the congress is doing is the best thing they have got going, the president is adept at doing something to seize that attention. he understands how we work and
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we are trying to understand how he works. guest: i would not say all hope is lost. you have specialty publications like rollcall and other mainstream media. i have to put in a plug for the christian science monitor. we truly are looking for what is working. through of the lenses which we love. a lot of the stories i concentrate on our where is the bipartisan action happening. it is not like it is completely lost. your publication and mine, we try to resist that trend. we go to washington, a democrat. caller: the one thing i have to going if elections keep like we are, i think we will end up with a revolution. i did not get a vote this year , i voted incongress
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my district, and they were both democrat. that is not right. republican.rat and i have been a democrat, but i like trump. i wanted to vote for a republican in the house because i like his ideas and want to help him out, but i did not have a choice. we don't get a choice. plus, we have illegal voting. the way voting in washington is set up, when they get a driver's .icense, they register they can ask them if they are legal or illegal. if you sign up, they send you a ballot and you can vote. that is getting to be all the states, california, oregon is like that.
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it is rare you talk about washington and oregon. you talk about california quite a bit. this is getting bad, because california oregon, and washington have this. it is not right. illegals are voting here. guest: the point the collar made early on about not having a choice when you happy states where the rule is the top two you will choose. if you are in a heavily democratic state, your choices will be two democrats. that is what californians decided they wanted. ,hanging that would be hard because now you are a disappearing minority in california. it will be tough to change that system. , where onee congressional race has not been called. it's not because it's that close
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. it is because maine h

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