tv German Chancellor Angela Merkel European Leaders on Future of Europe CSPAN November 19, 2018 2:00am-3:42am EST
on tuesday, german chancellor angela merkel gave a speech to members of the european parliament on the europe.f the presidents of the european parliament and european commission also gave remarks >> will the members of european --liament, on teh futureof europeane of the union. it's important to know the german position on the most important issues. know the future of the european comission. europe.to change
agreement before the end of this year. to achieve good solutions on immigration. we need to invest more in africa. we need more money against againstchange, terrorism, a new modern cooperation between europe and africa. as we need a european foreign policy with a european defense. this is very important for the future of the european union. chancellor, thank you for being here. [applause]
direct elections to the european parliament. union was still in its infancy at the time. foundations had been laid. there were hundreds of walls and dictatorships. time, they had a stable, peaceful future ahead of them -- ahead of them. i am here to talk about the servitude in front of the greatest parliament of the world. we have 750 world members, from 28 countries, representing half a million people, approximately 7% of the worlds population.
democracy. heart of this is -- of the this is one of the greatest strength in europe. we have a commitment to compromise. we need to come to results that are to the benefit of our community. in 2007, germany took over the presidency of the council. i talked about diversity. about the piece we have , that we need to
breathe good air and europe. and i also mentioned tolerance is so important for europe. it's the indispensable basic value for europeans. the world has changed so much. we have experienced how the soul of europe is being a fact did. there are technological challenges we have to face. we have experienced a series of terrorism,ernational violence, armed conflicts. and migration movements, which
have had a serious impact on europe and underscores digital progress. experiencing the result of climate change. we are seeing our values called into question. i think michelle for the work he has done. i think we can all applaud him for it. two members of the european we are all realizing it is ever more difficult to balance developments.
but we know it is becoming more difficult to speak alone on the global stage. it's more important that we stand side-by-side as europeans. union needs to respect its members. tolerance is the soul of europe. it's an essential component. we need to ensure we also take account the interests and needs of others, as well as our own. that's brings us to the core of european solidarity, without which we cannot be successful.
this represents our strength as europeans, which you can find nowhere else. we have to work for each other. it is a social prerequisite, for for familieson, and for sports associations, as well as communities such as the european union. it is an essential feature of our values. it's a cornerstone of europe. it also helps us combat unemployment. we have faced terrorist attacks or other attacks.
european crisis, the so-called umbrella. examples which demonstrate how individual countries of the european union are in difficulties. they do that alone. we have national issues, that affect the community as a whole. solidarity is always linked to commitments. and principles based on the will of law. and civil society. there -- they are adversely affected if press freedom is curtailed.
the wall of law is something that is for all of us. europe can only operate properly as a community which is based on law when those laws are applied. we're trying to deal with our problems. this only works if each individual member shares responsibility. who tries to jeopardize the is adverselyeurope affecting the entire european
foreign policy. europe can only be of use to the world if it works together. that means we hope -- have to overcome national egoism. i am well aware of this. i am from germany. this is not always been the case. 2015, wears before took far too long to realize that the issue of refugees was an issue for the whole of europe and not of germany. we have to realize this is a common european task. to realize that using solidarity for everybody means we have to deal with our own
interests, with others. we have to respect others. this is not something that contradicts looking -- looking after our own interests. we need to work to combat migration problems. this is an issue that was just brought up. we need to make sure we have living conditions improved. looking at climate change, there are economic and social consequences. it is crucial we tackle this.
this is also in our own interests. unity and determination are key for us. these are issues which i feel are particularly important. only a stronger europe is going to be able to defend its values and interests. the times when we can rely on others are passed. europeans have to take our fate fully into our own hands if we want to defend our community.
in the long-term, we have to develop our foreign policy more. we need to think this thrill and we need to try and do without people working on her own behalf for the benefit of our citizens. suggested we establish a european security council with changing presidencies of the member states. create a european canrvention, so that we deal with issues immediately on the ground. we will 2 -- continue to support increased cooperation in the military.
[applause] >> colleagues, it would be a lot easier to cooperate with us if we have more than 160 different weapons system and the u.s. has only 50 or 60, and we realize all the different instances need training and education, and if we could pull together, we could natao, with a european army. [applause] pleased about this. this is great. i'm annoying some people.
[applause] we need the common development of armament systems in europe. this means a difficult task for the federal republic of germany. we will need to develop our own export policy. let's address the economic issues. this is the basis of our strengths. if we are not economically strong, we are not going to be politically strong. this investment fund has had a considerable impact over the
past few years. 350 are already in the pipeline. a good program for better investment is something which is really important. we have been working on it for a long time, and i think we should be talking about the 350 million that are a real contribution to improving prosperity in europe. and to a stable europe, its citizens also need a stable economy. we are working on a banking union. germany has already made statements on this. look very closely at the midterm mfs.
athave to look responsibility and control of our banking union. this is something that is going to reduce the risks of a national country or government. something thatat is two sides of the same coin. germany is on board, together with france. they are going to be able to make more progress. we have had a discussion the past few days about digital taxation, for example. what is important democratically is to take the comments of the
commission on board and to look in the international context we can get international solutions. we are going to have to work on it in europe independently. if we think about our lifestyle and well-being, we have to it is not the same today as it was 100 or 150 years ago. inventions all came from europe. a lot of inventions and innovations now come from asia and the united states. we have to put the question to ourselves, how to we are going to determine -- determined the mobility of the future on our continent.
chinese companies are investing in germany. want to make sure we are stronger in europe and that we want to be able to master the element of technologies of the future. we have got everything before us. we have quantum computing. we have to look at the development of artificial intelligence. we have to avail ourselves. to look at our central focal points for our future well-being. we have to look at immigration and refugees.
we need to overcome many hurdles to come to a common solution. the issue of immigration has not yet brought europe together. this is a core topic. this affects the relationship with our neighbors. we have made progress. we all agree we need a european border protection forum. we need to start working on who comes in and out.
if everybody wants to retain their international we won't beties, able to do what we have to. the person work on this together. we also have to think through development aid, economic development aid, and how we can participate. there are excellent results, compared to what we have had two years ago. we have been looking at individual member states to achieve more than they would do individually. i think we need to develop a
common european asylum policy. we need to have an effort to ensure we have a common playing field for the internal market, even issues related to asylum and humanitarian responsibilities. we have to deal with these issues together. we have to have a common policy. you threet given , and that i have really hit the nail on the head is demonstrated by the protest noises i have been hearing.
hear you said about multilateralism. this has to do with the core values of the european union. really goes to the heart of what the european commission has been proposing. i think there was a great deal , and a lotto date more than i got when i spoke in october of 2014. i think that history will prove you write. everyone here sings -- sees things that way, but you work right -- quite right not to close the borders.
partnership with africa, between and we need to do more for africa for that reason. chancellor, i think the comments you have made really got to the heart of what you need to do. perhaps there could be a little bit more support for all of the brave initiatives. if you do even more than you have now, you would be even greater than you are, and we would welcome that.
you must realize that things would only go well for germany. i am 46 years old and i know what i am talking about. generation the first on this continent that has been able to live in peace and freedom. there is a considerable length of time that you were locked behind either kirk -- iron curtain. i would like to send out heartfelt thanks to you, as chancellor, on behalf of germany.
fork you very much stressing the fact that being pro-european means you perceive the problems others are having. and when russia changed the border through military action, you said that europeans have to stand together. and you said it is not possible to close borders on end international basis. toould like to say thank you the partnership you have always preached.
we need to stress the initiatives taken by the european commission. it is thanks to these initiatives that we are successful. we have to get the people behind us. if we are talking about methods hasmethodologies, brexit us shown as the argument about wanting to have sovereignty back is work -- has worked. we all have to work together. this represents the european-political map. we have all the political
parties represented here. this with the heart of european democracy, we have to have consequences. we know these negotiations are going to be difficult in the future. we have to take these kinds of decisions across parties and show a decisiveness. we know the treaty is a major task. you know that i have been appointed on behalf of my political group. i would also want to ensure there are initiatives for the
european parliament. ladies and gentlemen, europe needs ambition, as a final point. i grew up in the 1990's. the chancellor of germany at the time said we will introduce the euro, which was not at all popular at the time. he didn't because he believed in the future. ahead.several decades we will be able to become a
this spoke out against hitler and the peaceful revolution in a milestone in your own personal life. what i want to say, as germans, we have to be aware o fhow -- of how closely our history is intertwined with european history. we should payhing the ticket -- particular attention to. we cannot fail. germans do not have the right to fail on europe.
into this obligation is even greater than any other country, given our history. perhaps i could just give an example. one has any doubt about the importance of europe. i think german expectations are even greater. make sure that you use your voice to strengthen your expectation. this is very much in part of the debate the are happening about europe.
in order to overcome the economic crisis, we have to have a common initiative. we also have a lot of debates about why the outcomes were not positive in a lot of respects. this is something we certainly must change. would like to withdraw to consequences as quickly as possible. methods needed to be strong. parliament hasan a true voice in the future. we have a coalition agreement in berlin.
solidarity. -- europe is not just a place on the map. i wish you the best for our work. there is still a great deal to be done. [applause] >> on behalf of the european chancellor,s -- it's a privilege for us to have you. decisive influence on what's been going on in europe. you have a remarkable personality. you arey because ou
exceptional, i would like to take the liberty of sharing with you some of my concerns. you are a very powerful person. you make the basic decisions in europe. you pick people for top positions in the e.u. you want to do something your government does not like in the european parliament, there are innumerable obstacles popping up. it turns out to be difficult to do anything. afford tonment can ignore it if something is done. this power spills over. when i talk to my german colleagues, i usually hear them
sermonizing. pontificating from the position of heavyweight moral champions, which they consider themselves to be. in real terms, your political family is playing second fiddle in european politics. the feeling that of what you said could have been said by marin schultz, politician largely forgotten,
but a big man once, pushing this chamber to the left, being epp.ded by the the european union has been hijacked by the left, which imposes on it its ideology and agenda and even its language. if you cut out two or three one speaker, they could have exchanged the sepeches and no one would have noticed the difference. can imagine him being chairman of the epp. of the other being chairman
the socialists. it wouldn't make the slightest difference. another taking both positions. [laughter] [applause] difference,make a the only one being there would be more insults flying around. so much for diversity. the immigration crisis that cost theso dearly is the tip of iceberg. about not be telling you german-christian democracy.
but wher ande has it evaporated? -- has it evaporated? where is this vision of what europe should look like? why is it that you and your political fabric have possibly observed as you have turned into a political bulldozer? social harmonization is through the back door. you made structures of democratic institutions become up scare. -- obsucre. this is an elementary truth of politics.
almost every document is written in a horrible newspeak. this supposedly leads us to a radian future of europe. -- radiant future of europe. could i please continue? thank you. future is a left wing fantasy. i am sure you do not want it, even if it is ruled by heavyweight moral champions. we have from time to time the same pro-european opinion.
pro-european this majority that exists in this house. spoken six minutes and i don't even know your position. you are against europe, but that's not new. chancellor, the last time in a university was closed was 75 years ago. happened in norway. university of oslo was closed because a part of the building was burned. occoupying nazi authorities
soros. when will you and your colleagues put an end to such scandalousd behavior? [applause] question not to make it difficult to. i firmly believe that more than migration, and that is an important issue, more than even putin, i think this threat within that undermines the you the in union -- the european union? a fatal division in the past between north and south during the europe crisis. exits isthe wound of risk a mored and we devastating risk between the east and the west. in fact, going back to the iron curtain and to the berlin wall. want me to say, because i
to come to the role of germany in the european union, because it is about the future of the european union that we talk, that since the fall of the berlin wall and the reader -- the reunification of germany, we have member but not so much more. germany became the most powerful member state of the unit, most popular and -- most powerful and population and economic wealth and more economic power with political power comes more responsibility and european responsibility. germany hasn't biggerassumed fully this responsibility, if i may say so. in a certain way, i understand what happened. was preoccupied
with something so historical and so emotional as the unification -- the reunification of the country, the integration of a communist state, it was an enormous endeavor. by doing so, our energy, all the efforts went into this gigantic task. so, the more germanonal, the more for coal toypical build an ever closer union lost traction, lost energy. the debate in europe -- it is .ot a criticism i remember many of the discussions of your predecessor.
two weeks ago, chancellor, you announce that, after this politics.ou will quit to put germany back on track, i think towards this ever closer your and i think intervention of today is certainly a step in that direction, we need a lead forward again with your. we need the relaunch of the project so we can face the challenges of the world of tomorrow. a world in which, facing then way,
russians, the indians, russians, and sometimes even the americans. mrs. merkel, that will be my conclusion. you can do this. we know your strength. we know your courage. we have seen your courage during the migration crisis. you have a unique chance to make that leap forward now. why unique? there is a president of the french republican that is so convinced, not in the approach.l french at in that way, he outlined european project and my message to you, to both of you in fact is embrace decisions, join forces, revive the european mirrored in that emotional image of both of you,
of three or four days ago, holding each other in a tender but powerful embrace. . know it's time i will wait for my last phrase. you show very for the whole world how immensely beautiful or so this common european project is and i wish you a a lot of success in this. [applause] >> could i please call on speakers to respect the allocated time. if the first spokesperson for a group speaks to much mother will not be enough time for the other representatives of the group. tothank you for coming strasburg and making time to
participate in this debate for the future of europe. i would like to pick up where he left off. i would like to recall also what a huge gesture of reconciliation have demonstrated in recent days, you with mr. macron, recall we had the armistice in 1918 and that was one that would put an end to one of the world's grace catastrophes. with that, the european union is the world's greatest peace project. we have brought down walls across europe, unifying people, achieving freedom and democracy and we got rid of the blanket thoughts that characterize the past. this is very much close to our heart. we want a unified europe, a europe that is one for all of us where we can constructively build our future. we want one that protects human rights that has the rule of law and that defends all of thaez -- and that defends all of these things adequately. we have to stand up against the
enemies of democracy. and of nationalism. we want the to it make sure -- we want to make sure that people have jobs and prospects for the future. we want a europe that makes sure that the tech giants adjust as others and we want to stick up that are just as taxed as others and we want to stick up for peace in the world. it keeps stepping on the brake. what about the climate crisis. this is raps the greatest crisis of our times. and the world climate summit has brought this to our attention once again in a few week's time. we have a duty to make this point, but the objectives that we have in place are not going to be sufficient.
there are two things we have to do. we have to bring in a minimum, some member states are wondering what they could do that together. i wonder whether germany, the federal republic of germany will agree to that. we need to reduce the fleet emissions, but unfortunately, the ambitious goals have been buried because of the germans and the climate isn't going to be saved by vague pictures of statements. we need ambitious goals for europe and we need them implemented immediately. german government needs to stop hitting the brakes on climate policy. this is a real catastrophe for europe, tr our island states and the whole planet. and germany is not the only
country in the eu that is having a problem face inging the reality of the climate, but it is the biggest one and it has the farthest reaching consequences. the fact that germany keeps violating environmental legislation just underscores that problem. protecting the climate with new energy will also help towards the goal of energy independent. a gas pipeline from russia to germany will make us dependent on fossil fuels and will also damage prospect in the ukraine and will benefit putin. one further example, we know now that the eurozone isn't a staple -- isn't as stable as it should be. we have known that for eight years. we have half a banking union and a stability pact and a little bit of an investment fund. it could grow bigger. but it's not enough. we have seen cuts in social
expenditure. this isn't going to lead to a strengthening, but a splitting of europe. this house has said what needs to be done. the commission president has made proposals and the french president to you don't have to like all of them. but simply sticking your head in the sand and hoping things will sort themselves out is actually a failure to face responsibilities. why not get together with mr. macroan and the other colleagues and come up with a proposal for the eurozone. why does germany not speak out? it's something that affects the whole union. then tax justice, once again, the german government is blocking with the netherlands, austria and others who support and have a tax haven remaining in the eu blocking this and making it possible for people to exploit tax loopholes with 70 billion euros a year evading the
treasuries and we have to stop blocking progress. so we need to stick up for a stable eurozone and protection of the litclimate and tax fairness. if the biggest state is hitting the brake, we're not making progress. we need somebody to speak up for europe. you said it would be worthwhile europe making an effort and if so, then you need to act now , otherwise you would not be true to your word. you need people to move forward. we need practical examples ask -- examples and we need to be bold. thank you. thank you, mr.president, madame chancellor. 100 years after the end of the first world war and more than 60
years after the is signature of the treaties of rome, which we celebrated last year, the process of european integration ought to be more far advanced than it is. we should have overcome this national sentiment and selfishness and this should be a thing of the past. i am not sure this goes so much without saying now, when we need to talk about breathing new life into the european dream, i say yes, but please, in such a way that that dream does not become a nightmare. and i want to return to some of the points that, i would like to stress on behalf of my group, because we see, we have somewhat different than what you have described. chancellor, you know that we talk about resurrection out of the ruin, turn to the future,
our motto should be never again wore -- war. we should be creating peace with fewer weapons. we should be forging our plow shares, this means we should be opposed to any kind of rearmament, any kind of arms race at any time, and your 13 years of chancellor of germany, i'm afraid i have to ask you, what have you done in order to ensure that german and european arms exports do not export to areas in conflict? it is always the interest of the arms businesses, that take precedent over the need it to protect peace and human rights. and i will also disagree with you another point, and say clearly, please don't follow macron down the road to an european army, to a military union. bear in mind that some other eu countries sit with their finger
more happily on the trigger than germany should ever be happy with. we have strong peace movements in germany, in europe, through the green, the left, the social democrats have worked hard, to maintain our special attitude towards nonmilitary policy, and we have to protect that. we need to do everything that we can to stop the super powers tearing up arms agreements. nonproliferation agreements. we need to ensure that no allow the social union to, then it is possible that the far-reaching
consequences will happen, not just brexit, and i don't want to see that. as chancellor for the climate, you have an important role to play. this is a question of minimum standards, minimum ecological standards. we call on you to overcome the deadlock in the council, all of things that have been said about that are very important. and can i also point out that we expect that the federal government, when it comes to the country by country reporting, should play a different role. it is a question of stopping tax evasion, tax fraud, stopping big multinationals avoiding tax all together so that we can use that money for things that are desperately needed. we have talked about the community method. which involves the parliament.
but that has been replaced by the inter-governmental method. and that is partly due to you, and so we call on you to reverse that. please, do what you can to ensure that the european parliament can share responsibility for these important tasks, that not everything should depend on what agreements can be struck between two member states, one of whom is perhaps dependent on the other. that doesn't strengthen democracy. and that doesn't strengthen trust. as regards to the way we treated greece, there is no excuse for that, madam, and even if we both show perhaps play a role in all of this, you allowed yourself to be misled, taken off to the right path, with regard to greece. the austerity policy, the dictates of cuts, that was following the advice of [indiscernible] the results were erosion of social standards, and fundamental rights in greece,
and that led to an enormous loss of confidence in europe, as a result. so please, correct that. we need to put an end to any kind of austerity policies. and with a view to italy, i can only recommend this. yes, there was a proposal from the bundes bank to force the rich to pay off italy's debts. that's good. that's redistribution from the rich to the poor. let's implement that everywhere and then we don't have to ask ourselves if that is possible under the treaty ort compact. that would give us a good basis to make funds available for education, for social progress, for more of the things that we need. and on refugees, you won a great deal of recognition worldwide for the position that you took on keeping the borders open. but then why are you closing your eyes to people drowning on a daily basis in the mediterranean? you also need to be committed to ensuring that we have legal
means of migration, so that we can offer solidarity, that we as a european union can actually put in practice the values that we preach. thank you. [applause] the europe of freedom and direct democracy group, mr. farage. >> mrs. merkel, many of my euro skeptic colleagues have been booing you this morning. and they shouldn't be. in a way, because the british should be cheering you, and without you we would never made it over the line with brexit. i want to thank you very much for that. and many of the euro skeptic groups on the right and left will come back here after the next european elections in huge numbers directly as a result of your immigration and asylum policy. your weakened coat led to a huge migrant tide, indeed a stampede that came across the mediterranean. young men coming from very different cultures, who were not going to integrate.
young men none of whom would have qualified as being genuine refugees, and i think in many ways, we looked to the referendum and we said we don't want to be a part of an increasingly german dominated european union, and we certainly don't want to pay the price for mrs. merkel's errors. and i believe having heard you today, and listening to senior french politicians over the last couple of days, that as for us leaving the european union is now indeed a liberation. it is a european union that which hold is now to become an empire. a militarized european union. an undemocratic european union. a european union that seeks to continually expand to the east. a european union that has launched a new cold war against the united states of america. a european union that tries to re-write history. and i think 100 years on from the armistice, we should begin
-- be genuinely worried. the idea that this, genuinely worried. the idea that this new militarized union is somehow a recipe for peace, i suggest you will sit back and think back a little bit more carefully. maybe you should all re-read history. the european project was set up to stop german domination. what you've seen today is a naked takeover bid. so i think brexit becomes a necessity after this. and for the rest of the country, mrs. merkel, you've had a long successful career, but your political decision to open up the doors unconditionally is the worst decision we've seen in post war politics in europe. is it not time for you at last to admit that you were wrong, is it not time for you to say to german communities, and many others, i'm sorry for what i've done to you and the problems i've inflicted upon you, for many decades to come. [applause]
>> the europe of nations and freedom group, mr. pretzell. >> chancellor, president, colleagues, i think we unified by many things here, but we seem to be separated also. we are home to a family, a family which is characterized by a successful economic model, and scientific model. and chancellor, you are the past of europe and you are saying also, seeing here today and rather strange to tell us something about the future, because this isn't an empire, this is a union of nation-states. we've had a misuse of the economic criteria.
we've had the bank problems. we've had all sorts of issues. and in order to, that you have -- and in all of that, you have had a rather naive and child -like morality about economic responsibility that has to be taken. germany policy has characterized european traffic and trust policy, with its coal policy and nuclear policy and been rather naive about saving resources. the german government policy has christian identity at its best, and the removal from the children from the parent, removing them from the classic role of parents, to bring up their own children, and you, in order, have been rather naive in violating the christian principle of family and the laws of nature. german government policy has faced up to and tolerated a huge migratory flow, and it started
off with one thing but ended up with a loss of control, a loss of control of the state systems, the social security system, the social system, and the population, and you've been rather naive in your morality when it comes to the cohesion within society and the ability of europe to deal with this. every person has to act in a moral way. many people have done it. many german europeans have done so. and of europeans as well, in saving resources. but if you don't demonstrate tolerance to living outside of the classic family, when people are being protected, when they're fleeing, that's all very well and good, but if you have a state which does not, which says
that any way of living together is a family, that provides support for that, then this is crazy thinking, and it pretty much allows everything, and at the end of the day, nothing. and if europe isn't to full -- the fall apart and is to be a model for success, then economic and social policy must not be planned on the back of a envelope down at the pub. we need to think in, we need to think about the home, and not have it dictated by ex -- external borders and christian underpinnings to be at the base of it. we need to take responsible for our identity, christian identity and science. your heritage, what you leave behind is the destruction of institutions. there are two unions in germany
which, in a bad way, it will be up to others to put them back together. now you're saying nice things, but i can put it to you that you will once again be free and -- that europe will be free once again and conservatives. thank you very much. >> thank you very much, mr. president. chancellor, i have to apologize. i didn't prepare a speech. i only requested speaking time, because otherwise, it would have been given to udo from the npd. just a minute. let me speak. and i despise nonserious as more parties represent less than 1%, so i haven't got much to same the last time we saw you, was when we took leave of heldmutt coal, now we say good-bye to you.
i have to say to you, that you seemed nicer and nicer, when i, well, the more i look at the cdu, people have been nice to me and please give us back our country, nice and clean, well swept. you can go now. thank you very much. >> order. sir, for first responses, chancellor merkel. mr. president, let me start by expressing thanks to colleagues who have expressed their views. and replied to my speech. to jean claude and others who mentioned the topic of great
britain, let me say, it took me, as i see it, i think it is extremely important, the spirit in which we deal with the leaving of great britain, and accept it and determine it, we accept, i accept the decision of the people of great britain. it must be respected. and mr. bonier and jean claude cker ought to be thanked because i think the spirit in which we are thinking about this will decide for decades the way in which we will be able to have a partnership, and the u.k. has shown via theresa may that she, that they wish to be part of your. -- of europe. it will come down to having shares of cooperation, areas where we can cooperate, and that is exactly what we want to do. i'm saying that certainly as far as the german government is concerned. now, let me pick up some of the
topics that were mentioned. one topic which i think this is sort of important is the fact that germany is a country with 80 million citizens, and is economically strong, and perhaps we have to be a little bit more careful than others when we represent our own interests. but we do have interests. and we do not agree with everybody always. and neither do you with us. let me point out that there is about 90 cases per the european code of justice, and we have accepted all of the judgment, even the ones that didn't suit us, and we know that there are differences of opinion. my friends in the epp are of a different opinion than i am on northstream. i think when it comes to what we
do about climate change, we will be using more gas and in a country such as germany, that is not going to have nuclear power at all in some years time, and is concentrating on renewable energy for the future, and is making a very considerable contribution to protecting the climate in that way, but that we know at the same time, if we're going to leave coal behind, we are going to use gas for a bridging period, and the gas imports need to be diversified, but we won't exclude russia as a source, and i'm very keen to ensure that ukraine, as a transit company to come, but -- as a transit country, doesn't come off badly. but whether it comes via ukraine or northstream or southstream, these are russian gas molecules and europe won't be able to be independent of russian gas, needs to diversify its sources, so germany is going to be building an lng terminal so we
will be able to deal with other possibilities for gas imports if some of the others dry up, but we are going to be getting out of nuclear, we are going to be stopping coal, we do need renewal energy, but also a part of that needs to be gas. for a period. secondly, the community method and the inter-governmental method, these have been mentioned. i would like to say that the community method, as far as germany is concerned, has always been strengthened and will always be strengthened but in the european council at the moment, we're in a situation where it is almost a matter that the european treaties can never, ever be changed. let me be frank with you. that if you are going to align yourself with that thinking, then europe is going to become sclerotic. we are a community that faces new challenges and must be able to react to them and therefore must be able to face the future
with treaties that can be changed. and i certainly do not accept and cannot understand that you would have a motto that you would never change the treaties. but if you wish to act in a european way, and the treaties don't give you the power to it do that, and i've always said that the esn needs to in the euro zone protocol, it is not down to germany. we could do that tomorrow. but it is not very easy to get to majority in the european council for that. and if we can't do that, then as a pre-stage to being able to act jointly, we need to inter-governmental approach, and it would have been far worse in the currency union if we had not had that. so the one does not exclude the other. and i am pleading, expressly, ha -- that we don't take treaty change as an end to itself but we do not exclude it, and saying we will never, ever change our own constitutions back home, because were we to do that, then
this be would a dereliction of our duties as a nation-state. that brings me on to the point that was mentioned by quite a few groups and would appear to be mutually exchangeable. you know, as well as i do, that this is the case, but if you've got a constitution or a basic law, as we do in germany, then you have to have two-thirds majority for it to be adopted. and nevertheless, whenever you set about legislating on the basis of it, you get disputes. and if it is to do with the basis of the european union and we're fortunately in this house, there is a large group which agrees on the basic, the foundations, that's what you need. and then you can get into intent to debate about how you put the basic principles together, but whenever we talk about those principles, there is fortunately always a majority. [applause]
now, what role is to be played by germany? you want us to do two things and one at the same time. you want us to be visionary and lead the way with france, for example. but of course, that also guaranteed that the vision is close to reality. so that the european council with 28, and future 27, will adopt things unanimously. now that is a tension between vision and feasibility between member-states. and that must not be a growing gulf. at some point, you have to enter into the realm of reality and achieve ability. and maybe when it comes to the setting of objectives, i may be somewhat reticent, but then there are people back home that want us to ensure that what we say is ultimately what we implement, and it is out of respect for the individual member states, when weighing up
what is to be done, i have to think about the possible, trying to factor all of that into my thinking. otherwise, visions and my own conceptlization, and i have been talking a moment ago about changing treaty and that could be a vision, and the reality is a growing gulf, and as far as i'm concerned, germany has always played a role in bridging that, having ambitious goals but at the same time making sure that there is respect for others who do not always wish to pursue the same things, and that is also part of what this eu is. a word now on migration. got a limited speaking time, so let me move on to that. migration. now, we are all proud of our values. this is what europe has been founded upon. article i of our basic law in germany talks about the in alien
-- the inalienable nature of human dignity. but on our doorstep, there is a terrible civil war and there is a huge challenge facing us. with i.s. and islamic terror. we supported, with weapons to avoid a genocide. and we decided that we would support them. and i think that was the right decision. even if it was not an easy decision to make. and i will continue by saying this. we have a close migration partnership that has been establish the with niger, one of the poorest countries in the world, there are terrorists coming in because of the failure of the international community in libya. they are armed with weapons, terrorists in boko haram, from nigeria, as well, and the president of niger, we say, we could imagine training him, we
could imagine doing some expansion, but when it is questions when it is arming them to fight the terrorist, germany is not a part of that, and the world bank is not part of it and we in the european development aid community have all stuck our heads in the sand. we don't get anywhere with. -- with that and i think it is always better that african soldiers be prepared to fight their own terrorists and we support them, but that's the way it has to be done. [applause] and i say, our french friends will deal with that. that's not just honest. further in migration, there has been a civil war. there is still a civil war in syria. this terrorist islam, and we've got 6 million refugees, from syria and iraq, and maybe six or seven million people in lebanon, have been taken in by lebanon and jordan.
and we said at the start of the literature. and i think i got this wrong, we didn't pay sufficient attention to people, having at least one dollar for eating and some form of education in these refugee camps. and the refugees came to us, because they needed to save their lives, and now the whole of europe, 500 million people, have said in the face of the 6 iraqis, weians and have taken 1.15 million, and we have helped them in a very dramatic situation, where many europeans were helped in similar ways in previous times. do you really think that that is something which has put us in a position of being unable to act? [applause] obviously, we must ensure that
where you've got illegal migration, people spending all of their money on traffickers, that we don't end up there. this is where we entered into the agreement with turkey. this has been much criticized. it was precisely to try to turn illegal migration into legal migration and the onhcr has said to the people that we should be helping, that was our common goal, but we were not adequately prepared and we had to learn from that so we founded frontac founded frontac we have the sophia project, we have the partnership with africa, we built up the coast guard of libya, in pelamo, there is a libya conference, and my only desire is that we would have a uniform libya policy in europe, so that the people don't get two different stories being told to them. but there, where we have not been sufficiently committed, we can actually learn from the past, and i think now, we need to look up, say weave area -- say we have learned from our
mistakes. we will do it differently. and this partnership with africa is precisely part of that. let me round off with climate protection. i just said a little about gas. we've got very ambitious climate objectives. and we will be trying to attain those objectives. and in 2030, we really do need to make sure that we've attained those goals, we've got the climate legislation in place as mrs. keller well knows. let me say that it was, in the g-20, under the presidency of germany, who tackles the tax avoidance, tried to put together a perhaps international agreement, and this is precisely now what is being implemented,
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