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1877, the ability to improvise. to be like a guerrilla fighter. to live off the land. to do what we need to do to get the job done. >> not all were included in terms of what an american was. not all minority groups work. women were not. really considered citizens, at least. that changes over time. more and more people are brought to the american family. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on q and a. now, former dice president nationaley discuss security, bipartisanship, and civil discourse. this is just over an hour.
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>> good evening and welcome. evening as part of the murtha center event. for those of you who have not heard about congressman john murtha and the murtha foundation, he was someone who , civicfied sacrifice duty, and courage. things that are very important in this day of remembrance and for the students here, what day is this in terms of history? what is that? yes? veterans day. what do we celebrate? on this day, we are reminded of
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the courage of veterans. congressman murtha was a veteran. said, every man, every woman, everyone can make a difference. if you go to the murtha center, sentence, onehat person, man, can make a difference. student, you too, can make a difference. at the university from time to we invite guests to the university who can provide insights for current events. who can share their and who can experience. tell us something that would illuminate an issue that is important to our country and our community.
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i hope that as part of this event you too will come away having learned something through a process of open discussion and, perhaps, in the question and answer session that will be moderated. it is my pleasure to introduce to you this evening mr. ed sheehan, president of concurrent technology corporations and the chairman of the john p murtha foundation. [applause] >> good evening and welcome. on behalf of joyce murtha and and the john p murtha foundation board.
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i have the pleasure of serving as ceo, but also serving as vice chair of the john p murtha foundation. we want to make sure that we acknowledge veterans day. today is veterans day, observed. november 10 was the anniversary of the start of the u.s. marine corps. sunday we celebrated veterans day and the 100th anniversary of the world war i armistice. to bring something like this together takes a lot of work. i want to thank all of those who helped make this possible this evening, especially the staff at the university of pittsburgh at johnstown and the community foundation for the alleghenies. let's give them a round of applause. [applause] >> this kind of event is a good thing for our region and takes advantage of this wonderful university, and the john p murtha center for encouraging civil and public discourse and learning for students of all
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ages. this evening we have the benefit of having two renowned speakers, whom i will introduce shortly. i first saw them together two years ago in california at the ronald reagan library while i attended a forum, the defense forum. they spoke, they were on the stage together set up much like this was. they talked about the important issues at that time. ha foundation, i thought when it he
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phenomenal to have those two people help kick off the speaker series sponsored by the john p murtha foundation. here they are. i want to acknowledge and thank my fellow board susan o neill. tip o neill's daughter who maintains great relationships with a number of different leaders throughout our nation. she was able to reach out to these two gentlemen and work with her stats to make this evening a reality. i would like to thank a moment to thank susan o neil. let's thank her. [applause] now, let me introduce our moderator for this evening. many of you you in this room know him. is a doctorley political science at johnstown. division of the social sciences and the chair of the division of business and enterprise. he also serves as a faculty liaison for the john p. murtha
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center. he teaches political science, political ideologies, electoral behavior, and environmental policy. -- researchesorts is focused on public lands, policy in western states. he earned his phd from arizona state university and his master's and bachelor's degrees from virginia tech. prior to coming here he taught in wyoming and arizona state university. join me in welcoming dr. ray bradley. [applause] i now have the privilege of introducing vice president dick cheney. across four decades of public life, dick cheney has served at the highest levels of government during the most critical days of modern american history. vice president cheney's political career began in 1960 nine when he was an intern for congressman william.
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staffn joined -- join the of donald rumsfeld who is the director of the office of economic opportunity. his position in the white house included white house staff assistant, assistant director of the cost of living council, deputy assistant to the president and white house chief of staff. in the post-watergate administration of gerald ford, the president turned to 34-year-old dick cheney to lead the white house staff in the work of restoring the nation's confidence and waging the presidents 1976 campaign. after leaving the white house vice president cheney returned to his home state of wyoming where he served in the house of representatives. reelected to office five times, he held several leadership positions and was chosen by his colleagues at the house minority with the number two position in house minority leadership. he was elected as the chairman of the republican policy committee from 1981 to 1987.
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in 1989 george herbert walker bush nominated cheney to become the u.s. secretary of defense. after unanimous approval in the senate, he then led a american forces to victory in operation just cause in panama, it an operation desert storm in the persian gulf. in 1991 he was awarded the presidential medal of freedom. in that same year he received the john heinz award for gratis public-service by an elected or appointed official. through most of the 1990's he asked in the private sector chief executive officer of the halliburton company in dallas, texas. from 2001 to 2009 he served two terms as vice president of the united states along with president george w. bush. he was best known for his involvement in national security matters following the terrorist attacks of september 11, 2001. playing an important role on the
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administration's response to the attacks and coordination of the global war on terrorism. today he and his wife live in wyoming. they have two dollars -- dollars and seven children. vicee join me in welcoming president dick cheney. [applause] >> i'm very honored and privileged to introduce a school leon panetta of law graduate. secretary panetta began his long in the stringers test distinguished career in 1960 four as a first lieutenant and the united states army. upon discharge went to work in washington as a legislative assistant to united states senate majority john of california. in 1969 he was appointed director of department of health andaverage -- health education for welfare office of
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civil rights were he enforced equal education laws. later he served as executive the mayor of new york city. he then returned to monterey or he practiced law and to his election into the united states house of representatives in 1976. serving in congress for 16 years, secretary panetta was a key participant in agricultural health care and federal budget issues. from 1989 to 1993 he chaired the house budget committee. he offered a wide range of legislation including the hunger prevention act of 1988. medicaid and medicare coverage for hospice care for the terminally ill. and numerous measures to protect the california coast including creation of the moderate bay marine sanctuary. in 1993 he left congress to served as director of the office of budget for president clinton. there he was instrumental in developing the policies that led
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eventualnced legit and surpluses. in 1994 he accepted appointment as the president's chief of staff and immediately brought order and focus to white house operative issues. upon leaving the clinton administration in 1997, 19 -- excuse me, secretary panetta joined with his wife to establish the panetta institute based that california state university at monterey bay. ideas and examples, the nonpartisan not-for-profit study center seeks to attract thoughtful men and women to lives of public service and prepare them for challenges of the future. returning to public service in the obama administration as director of the cia, he ran the operation that brought osama bin laden to justice. the secretary of defense led the effort to develop a new defense bring two warsd to an end and opened up
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opportunities for everyone to serve in the military. returned asnetta chairman on february 27, 2013 and resumed his role. he chronicles his wife in public service in his best-selling memoir, which was published in 2014. please join me in welcoming secretary leon panetta. [applause] >> dr. radley i turn it over to you. secretary panetta we can see. secretary panetta: good evening. fmr v.p. cheney: we are getting good at this. secretary panetta: we can do it
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on stage together or across different places in the country. we hope to have secretary panetta with us in another chair on the stage with some travel statistical glitches stranded him in california. he is in his office in monterey. the staff here in the community foundation who worked all day long to make sure that we had this hook up so that secretary panetta could join us this evening. i also want to thank the murtha foundation and a their commitment to sharing the legacy of john murtha and sharing the values of citizenship, engagement and making a difference. was a regular. i'm used to standing in class and when i talk in this casual living room setting, it is a little unusual for me. but he was committed to
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instilling in young people a commitment to public service and we are always got to have them in class. it is fitting that we welcome tonight to men that have served for decades in so many important roles. have set up a table for momentous and historical 20's.ons in the late i remember the tv documentaries called, "and you are there." he gave insight to the historical deaths, like the murder of jesse james. i am not suggesting that either of our guests were present or responsible for either of those events. don't believe what you read on the internet. but we will get an opportunity to be there to some extent, to look back a bit, and to look forward across the current national and global political landscapes. and to hear from two men's whose perspectives and experience we value. we are just implying, secretary vice president
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cheney, they did a matinee version of this event a little a while ago. there was a setting with many people who had connections with congressman murtha and let's call them seasoned citizens whose political memories stretch back many more decades. i will ask both of them to indulge me a bit tonight because we will cover some of the same ground with a broader audience. many of them are college students. top here since 1987 and i know that many students in my political science class will say, routinely that they are not necessarily into politics are often turned off to politics. we are glad to have so many of them. i will lead off with some questions for both the secretary and vice president. you all should have gotten cards distributed to you and something to write on when you came in. we willhe things that
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invite you to do is to jot down questions that you might have because we wanted in a great questions from the audience. when you are done writing down the question if you just want to get the attention of one of our student volunteers, they will make sure those get handed up. we will do a combination of leadoff questions from me and then hopefully answer questions that the audience has. i would like to begin that pointing out vice president cheney and secretary panetta served together in the united states house of representatives. ace president cheney is republican from wyoming, secretary panetta is a democrat from california. jack murtha was their colleague in the house of representatives. last tuesday vice president cheney's daughter was reelected to the house of representatives as a republican from wyoming. secretary panetta sun jimmy panetta was reelected as a democrat from california. that leads me to two quick questions up front.
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it is obvious that both you and your families have a commitment to public service. mrs. cheney has a distinguished service career as well as a public servant. is, why wouldion you recommend public service to the young people who are here tonight, especially given the extremely intense scrutiny and even the tree all to what public servants are subjected, vice president cheney? sometimes heey: will hear discussions by political >> they have both chosen
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careers. was a case, our oldest candidate. our daughter mary has an intriguing business. she runs campaigns about candidates. she says candidates messed up campaigns, so she does get involved in campaigns with referendum that are on the ballot. our case, we loved and part of our family for more than 50 years. strongly recommend it. a tremendous opportunity, interest, all kinds of ways to be involved.
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even going to be a political science professor at one point. >> >> secretary panetta? secretary panetta: thank you for having me. i wish i could be there in person but it is great to have the opportunity to be here to pay tribute to our great friend john murtha and all of his family. thank you for this opportunity. as many of you know, i am the son of chinese immigrants. my family came here like millions of others in the early 1930's. there is huge -- very low language ability. very little money. but they believe deeply in the opportunities here. opportunities here. i asked my father why would you leave your friends and your families?
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why leave them to travel all that distance to come to a new country? father'sorgot my response. he said, your mother and i believed we could give our children a better life in this country. i think that is the american dream. that is what we all want for our children, the dream that they will want for their children as well. but that dream is not achieved saying it. it is achieved through sacrifice, through service, through dedication, to make sure that we do give our children a better life in this country. i was encouraged to get involved into public life. my parents felt this country gave them the opportunity to and that the children give something back to the country.
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i got a real chance to see people from across the country coming together to work on a common mission. they understood what it was all about. there was a young president at the time who said it is not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. that inspired me to get involved in public life. people thatto young it is important for you to understand that you have a duty to this country as well. our forefathers created a remarkable democracy with a remarkable constitution. powerid not believe the should be centralized in any one branch of government. the created this remarkable system with checks and balances. the greatest power is placed in the people in the constitution
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begins with the words "we the people, in order to create a more perfect union." means that people have the ultimate power in our democracy to determine the future of what america looks like. for young people i would just thatdo not assume everything that may not look right in government today, that somehow it has to be that way. you can really make a difference. i always knew i could make a difference in the jobs i held and governments. the whole purpose is to make a difference in other people's lives. i would just urge all young people to understand that they have a responsibility to get back to this country. men and women of uniform understand that and they do it every day. it is important for other men
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and women to understand that they too have a duty to discover -- to the democracy. that is what democracy is about and that is how democracy will survive in the future. we mention sacrifice, duty and giving back and giving something. i wonder if there is a reward. what is the reward you expect that you get yourself for being a public servant? fmr v.p. cheney: i was heavily
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and i could stay in be a lobbyist, or a lot of other options. what i wanted to put my own name on the ballot. if i was going to be involved in the public arena, public service, i did not want to just be working for somebody who put their name on the ballot. i did not like it when i lost a job and somebody else lost an election. i wanted to do it myself. i went home to wyoming and announced and did it. serve 10 years, but once i started, 10 years in a house, four years at the feds, eight years of the vice president.
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secretary panetta. it gets down to the ability to really change other people's lives. that is a great reward in public service. what was your favorite job i am often asked. people are surprised by my answer because i served in the and in my 50years i have seenlic life washington at its best and washington at its worst. the good news is i saw washington work and i thought republicans and democrats willing to work together in get legislative action
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accomplish, in order to resolve problems in this country. i truly enjoy being a member of congress because i have the opportunity to help people. people in my district get things accomplished. but more importantly, work on issues that have impacted people in this country. as chairman of the budget committee we were working at a time when there was deficits, smaller deficits them what we have now. that effort to deal with deficits was a bipartisan effort. republicans and democrats, the republican president, president bush had us come together. republicans and democrats to try to develop a significant deficit reduction plan. trying to reduce the deficit.
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i was with bill clinton we were able to pass similar budgets. a combination of those budgets we don't reduce the budget or the surplus. that was a great accomplishment for the company -- for the country. whether it was serving people in my district, whether it was working with the cia and providing challenges and doing the operations, whether it was the secretary of defense working with those great men and women purpose is the whole to make this a better country and to do things that give people a chance at better life. there is no greater reward in public service. you don't make a lot of money in you havervice, but if a better life, that is probably
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the best reward you can never receive. >> the political environment in which you both worked in the house of representatives with jack murtha was different in which the environment that cheney and in which panetta worked today. what do you attribute those differences? fmr v.p. cheney: it has changed dramatically. we are here because of our friendship. .- friendship with jack murtha i mentioned previously when i became secretary of defense jack was chairman of the defense appropriations subcommittees. he was just about the most important member of congress from my perspective. i had to do a budgeting for to haveand provide them -- necessary ability to def
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with probably the most important assignment was secretary of defense more than anything else that i did. day --environment secretary panetta: i said this earlier and i will repeat it. washington work. the reason it worked was because of trust. despite the political differences that we all had.
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despite different views, despite different issues, there was a fundamental trust that was present in what you could sit down and work together and be able to be honest with each other, tell people what your ultimately try to get something done. that is what legislating is all about. that is what governing is all about. for leadership in congress to be willing to work together and in order to get things done for the country. the problem today is that there is little trust between the parties. and there are a lot of reasons for that. it is much more partisan than it ever was. there is little trust in trying to work with one another.
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money plays a big role in politics today. districts have been carved out for safe republican and safe democratic seats. and what happens is they are worried about people running to the left or to the right and that forces more members to the extremes then to the center where you can literally get things done. then the media, frankly, has contributed to that divisiveness divisiveness as well. we have media and social media media all of the social .akes positions on issues it is very difficult to figure out what the truth is all about. all of that feeds into this very difficult gridlock that we have in which major issues that face the country are
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not being dealt with because the anties cannot sit down in honest way and try to resolve these issues. the simplest example, something that you have to keep asking yourself, why the hell has this not been done is infrastructure. there is no member of congress, republican or democrat, who opposes providing more funds for infrastructure in this country. yet, for the last two years, even though the president talked about it, nothing has been done. they are talking about a balanced budget, today we have a $20 trillion national debt. we are looking at a trillion dollar deficit. mention, they will probably pay more in interest and we painted events -- defense. pay and that defense.
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as much as everybody talks about that problem, neither republicans or democrats want to make the hard decisions in order to solve them. i think it has gotten to the point where it really does undermine the strength of our democracy not to have both parties and to have the president willing to sit down and solve the issues facing this country. the united states cannot be a strong country in the future if we are not dealing with the problems we have here at home. if all we are doing is playing political games and blaming each other. tothat is all we are going do, we are going to hurt our democracy for the future. the need forention leaders to make tough decisions. you have a been involved in some of that tough decision-making. earlier today we continue a veterans day tradition of holding a ceremony at the heroes memorial on our campus with the
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names of over 4000 service who gave their lives in afghanistan and iraq are in right -- inscribed on granite slabs. the u.s. government estimates that over 30,000 soldiers were wounded in iraq. iraqisre than 100,000 have been killed. vice president cheney you were at the center of the decision-making that led to the iraq war. secretary panetta you served as and spent eight years grappling with that war in iraq. you both have written and spoken extensively about decisions that were made in the bush and obama administrations so i do not think we need to rehash those decisions. i think it would be interesting to hear when you are sitting, making life-and-death decisions, what type of calculations went into those type of decisions? whether it was to initiate the war of the -- war, or the subsequent conduct to talk of
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drone strikes. that is sort of the $64 question when you take jobs. those drops. -- lots of times it is i able to look at history to see if those lessons are there. it is important that people take the time if they are going to take on that responsibility, that there is a lot to be learned from our own history. it is also important when he began to put that together. one of the things that happens when new administrations come itk at it and usually
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will rattle the rafters in terms of thinking about 15 minutes to respond. what do you do. fortunately nobody has had to use that since harry truman. to thing -- if i were to try prove on the processing get people ready for that decision, i think we could do a better job of going back historically and looking at the conventional use of force. when i went to defense, i had to prepare briefly that focused on everything since vietnam. process of what in thed to us, -- us bush administration, the first bush administration, we were faced with a situation in panama
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where there was a dictator, there were american military personnel at risk and we ultimately decided to act. supposedly it was going to be a coup. the time we -- by the time we , itd get a decision made was already over with. plottedle who had against it had been overthrown, shot. wasas not a big time but it the first time we had a chance. d a commendablee some careful
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job dragging him out of kuwait and restoring an order to the government in iraq. later on when we went back in in issue turned into more than weapons of mass destruction. ,rom the time we were sworn in we first began to get the daily brief as the president always gets, we were receiving the very first brief. we were learning about saddam hussein and weapons of mass distraction. ar the next 17 months we got constant fire reporting from the intelligence community. in the follows 2002, there was a thing called the national
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intelligence prepared by the community of the direction of the cia. heavy as a report as you will get. it warned about saddam hussein and his weapons of mass distraction. the weekend while we were in the planning process, we had a meeting in the oval office. the president, myself, the national security adviser, secretary of state was there and george tenet who was the cia director. ae answer he got was, slamdunk, mr. president, it is a slamdunk.
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that was a set of circumstances he was faced with. when we made that final decision it was not something we felt we could walk away from. we made the decision to go forward to take down saddam hussein, which is what we did and we achieved our objective. tough andly was a complicated proposition. i still think we did the right thing. i would recommend that same course of action against. although it is without question that it was a controversial operation. >> secretary panetta. the bottomanetta: line on all of this is that leadership, whether in congress were at the white house, a strong leadership requires that often times you have to take risks. if you are not willing to take risks you will not be much of a leader. add to that the fact that
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the principal responsibility of the president of the united principal responsibility of the president of the united states is to protect this country and protect the security of this country. felt, when i was director of the cia and secretary of defense, my primary role was to defend this country and protect the security of the united states. 9/11something like happens, and we are attacked, this country goes to war because we have been brutally attacked and over 3000 people died as a result of that attack. so, the principal for us was to go after the person who was responsible for the attack on the united states, osama bin laden.
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the first effort was to try to go after him in afghanistan. i think the closest we came to him was at tora bora. and was absolutely no idea where he was. but we knew that the leadership of al qaeda was in pakistan. pakistanis was the were not going to let us use be two bombers or f-16s or boots on the ground to go after that leadership. that weecision was made still had a responsibility to protect this country. whoe were those in al qaeda are planning additional attacks in this country. the idea of using drones to go after those leaders was developed when dick cheney was vice president, and president
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to doade the decision that and president obama continued those operations. why? because it was the most effective way to go after the leadership of al qaeda and that is what we did. felt thatent obama the principal trek to our country coming out of 9/11 remained al qaeda and its offshoots. that was the principal concern. innocent americans in this country could be killed by terrorists. , the pentagon, special forces, we were all committed to the efforts to make sure that ever happened. a lot of progress was made in improving telogen sharing -- intelligent sharing.
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we went after the terrorists in iraq. terrorism and iraq we had to go after. we had terrorism in afghanistan we had to go after. we had terrorism in pakistan that we had to go after. the whole point is that the acision by the presidents was decision to protect our country. by the way, when we decided to conduct a raid to go after bin laden, that was a very risky operation. compound, we followed the intelligence to his but we never had 100% intelligence that osama bin laden was there. we had good indications. his couriers who owned the compound but it was still very risky. it was in the middle of pakistan. it took a risky to just -- a risky decision to conduct that
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operation. that is where presidents have to do. he have to be willing to take risks in order to protect this country. that is what national security is all about. 15 years later we have troops still in iraq. but looking across it, threats needs to bent's aware of, i will ask you to review a couple of those, including whether what is happening in iraq, iran's presence in iraq is one of those. the former chairman of joint chiefs of staff spoke about playbook to weaken nato, to weaken the european union and undermine trust in democratic institutions, including in the united states, using many tools, especially through information and cyber warfare, psychological warfare. how do you assess putin's aspiration, worldview and his
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ability to pursue them? fmr v.p. cheney: i think he is deadly serious about his aspirations. always heart back to the decision on the announcement he made. or the opinion heat expressed that the collapse of the old soviet empire was one of the worst events of all mankind in human hurt -- in human history. he did not like it when the soviet union went out of business in 1991. issue oftrated an trying to recapture, or reassert control over some of the states that are no longer part of the old soviet empire. has done,e work he with respect to using the modern technology to try to interfere , thisur elections is that is a really threatening piece of business that we should not
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tolerate and we have to find ways to respond. i'm reluctant to specify exactly what could be done. control and influence our elections. we are in anetta: new chapter of the cold war. it is tough to come to that recognition, but that is the reality. we are in a new chapter of the cold war. we fought the soviet union. the result of that was to bring down the berlin wall. we thought there would be a period where we would could
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develop a better relationship with russia. president bush made an effort. president obama made an effort. that putin, if he senses weakness, he will take it vantage of it. he is a bully. weaknessas sensed his over the last number of years. both republican and democratic president 's. emboldenedand him -- him. he suddenly goes into the crimea, he goes to the ukraine, he deploys forces to syria in the middle east, and he conducts in theber operation
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united states and our election process. why, because he felt he could get away with it. that if we ares serious about dealing with p utin, and i have had the opportunity to meet him, and i has, hedid has -- dick is a tough guy. but you have to make clear to him that there are lines that cannot be crossed. there are lines that we will stand tough on. we will not allow russia to take over another country, take over a nato country, take over the just ukraine. we will not allow force to the middle east without limits. to we will not allow for him conduct cyber operations in this country. we have got to draw those lines. if we don't, and he continues to
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sense weakness on the united putin will continue to be a serious threat to this country. he recently referred to himself as a nationalist, that is a word that has a long history and a lot of different meanings. over the weekend in france there was some indication of continuing frackers among our allies, among our nato allies. any of the nationalists, populist movements that are being fanned across europe as benign or threatening orany particular way reflections of particular threats to our collective the liberal even to democratic i use that the united states plays such a big role in advancing and protect inc. over the last 70 years -- protecting
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over the last 70 years? secretary panetta. secretary panetta: i am concerned about, obviously, about this kind of nationalist trend that we see. not only in our own country, but obviously in countries in europe. it is the result of a lot of factors. i think one of those factors, frankly, is just a lack of to bring thosery countries together in order to deal with the challenges that are there. immigration, refugee flows added to the problem. at the same time there are economic issues that have added to the problem. all of these things have contributed to this kind of growing
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it is dangerous, because we went through this in the 1930's. we saw what happened with germany. we saw what happened with fascist italy and japan, and we saw what we had to do in the devastation of world war ii in order to take on those forces. those kinds of nationalistic forces that were there at the time. uses the wordump and is proud of using the word and the fact is, all of us believe that we do have to and we careica about america first, but at the same time, you don't want to use that that convey the idea somehow we don't have to respect
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others, that we don't have to pay attention to the problems that other human beings are having. that have basic values democracy has been all about and it means that we pay attention to the problems facing people and we worry about freedom, we worry about liberty, and we were a about whether there is mutual respect for one another, regardless of their race or color or creed and the sense now is that this term can be used and that it insights those who basically are against those very values. it is much more important for this country to try to assert world leadership than to pretend that somehow we can be nationalistic and not have to care about others. i think president mccrone was right. right.lity -- macron was
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aree that use nationalism flying in the face of the fundamentally alliances that have to be built to protect our world. that is the path we need to take in the future. it is not one where we hide from the rest of the world and think somehow we can take care of just our own problems. we have got to work with the rest of the world in order to face the challenges we are facing in a dangerous world. i >> -- >> i agree with much of what leon said. part of the problem is you thatt organize an effort succeeded in defeating the russians in the cold war. it is not that long ago, january of 1991, the soviet union went out of business. a lot of the member states became sovereign independent states and a lot of that came about because of the work of the
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united states leading the free world in those efforts, so became clear to the soviets that they could not match what we were doing in terms of our capabilities, in terms of our technologies and so forth. if the unitedppen states does not make it happen. there is any other nation in the world that can take on any leadership role that we have and succeed. otherwise, we'll get fragmentation of various coalitions out there, nato is one of the great success stories in the history of diplomacy. that cost money. , u.s. troops deployed over there, all of that ultimately provided victory and guaranteed that the russians could not go forward with what they would have liked to have done and take an even larger part of europe.
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the responsibility is ours, as a nation, if we are going to keep things on the level they need to be on as we claimed victory in the cold war, i worry now and i think leon has her ticket waited very well, as long as we get into the posture where it is every man for himself, where we are not interested in alliances or willing to deploy troops or work with other countries, then to take on be able the responsibilities that of been so important to our survival for the last 75 years. let me throw a changeup in here. you represented in oil, gas, and coal state. i do read for a job in casper and the price of a drink at the hotel bar was 10% of the closing price of a barrel of oil that day. some sensitivity. ofnderstand partly because
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some difficulties associated with the fires, you are stranded in california now, secretary panetta. if weer to what extent, talk about national security, the department of defense adjust potential national security threats posed by global climate change. panetta, do you want to make a couple of short responses to whether you see any threats associated with that? i think theretta: has to be a recognition of thatty and the reality is climate change is real. we need to confront that. i reviewed the impact of climate change along with the military establishment at the pentagon as
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something we needed to pay attention to in terms of its impact on security. if there were increasing droughts, if there were increasing refugee flows that resulted from that, if there were rising seas that are going to impact on our installations or on coastlines bases or generally to force populations to move, all of that represents the potential for security threats. i thought it was important to be able to have an area there that would reveal what the threats were as a result of these changes taking place in order that we could build it into our intelligence position and into our planning for the future, so that we could deal with potential threats if they
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happened. it is hard to argue with the notion that climate change is a real problem, especially when you look at tragedy is currentlyit is goingr challenge of our time and for this generation and future generations. >> we are running short on time. i see a couple of people have asked vice president cheney of his opinion of the upcoming movie vice, starring christian bale. come on, leon, they
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will do it to you someday. strong people the strong personalities and strong views, passionate about your positions. you both worked for a president. there are some people interested , given the personalities and the passions you have, how is your relationship with your former bosses? mr. cheney: i think pretty good. we didn't always agree on everything. with respect to the movie, it is hollywood trying to make a buck. i haven't seen it. i had nothing to do with it. my wife is intrigued, because amy adams has been asked to play her. but, it is hollywood. i haven't seen it. i have seen the trailer. who8-year-old granddaughter
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just went off to college side before anybody else did. us and said, grandpa, i saw the trailer of the movie. i said what did you think? she says, it says you were a -- and that is cool. secretary panetta: when the movie zero dark 30 came out and did the story of the bin laden raid, i can remember gandalf feeney who played me in the said,wrote me a card and i know you probably don't like , but yourplayed you italian, i am italian, i have respect for you and i called him up, because i had met him several times and i said, look, it is hollywood, it is a movie,
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i am just glad they picked an italian to play me and he said said when of the things they made me do in the movie was use a lot of four letter words. i said, that is the one thing you got right. [laughter] >> final question. we are on a tight clock. what course of action would both of you recommend to today's members of congress, as well as the president, in order to come back to bipartisanship? mr. cheney:sly, very proud. it is intriguing that both leon and i have our offspring
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following, maybe they will be able to do more. i would hope so. task, a lot oflt it turns on leadership and the tone and tenor set by the leaders of the parties and the president. i think those are the places where we are likely to see progress, if there is going to be progress. >> secretary panetta? secretary panetta: i agree with what take just said. hat dick just said. about ring able to sit down and work through the issues. this is a difficult time, no question about it. it through his daughter and my son in congress. son, cameyoungest
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back to washington during the time when republicans and democrats got together, and we would go to dinner together, go on trips together, play basketball together, we did a number of things working together. he saw that relationship, and he is frustrated by what he sees today. he is a veteran from the afghan veterans whoother have been elected, they don't want to just go back to on theton and pound table, they want to get things done. the one source of hope for me is that he and a group of others have created this problem solvers caucus, 24 democrats, 24 republicans, who are trying to sit down and work through issues like health care and immigration, etc., to try to
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come up with bipartisan solutions. i think that is where the hope is for the future. it is not going to change from the top down. i wish it would, but i don't think that is going to happen. it will change when more members get elected who want to govern and who insist on governing and are willing to vote against their own leadership in order to govern. when that happens, things can change. >> we're out of time tonight. i want to give a hand and a big thank you -- [applause] secretary panetta stuck it out to stay with us tonight. i want to thank the foundation, , for helping bring this event together. thank you for coming up. i understand it is starting to snow. it is november in johnstown. appreciate you being here. thank you.
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