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venezuela patrick duddy discusses the political unrest in venezuela. we will take your calls, and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter as well. "washington journal" is next. when i was confronted with the images yesterday, i was appalled that they appeared on my page, but i believe then and now that i am not either of the people in that photo. ♪ virginia's democratic governor during a news conference yesterday, a weekend in which the images of kkk, racism, and political division leading the debate in the state and across the country. ahead on "washington journal," your reaction to what governor northam told reporters yesterday. do you believe him? should he resign? on capitol hill, the house and senate both in session this week. president trump delivering his
state of the union address tuesday evening, followed by the democratic response. our live coverage getting underway at 8:00 p.m. eastern time, this speech getting underway at 9:00 p.m. eastern time alibi the democratic response by stacey abrams. making national headlines, should the governor of virginia resign? , that's our line for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. if you are an independent, (202) 748-8002. good sunday morning. thank you for being with us. join us on social media. send us a tweet. this is the headline from the washington post. on resists calls for resignation. a joint statement from senator -- itarner and
reads as follows, after we watched his press conference today, we called governor to tell him we no longer believe he can effectively serve as the governor of virginia and he should resign. he has served faithfully for many years, but the events of the last tony four hours have 4 hours have-- 2 irrevocably broken the trust of the people. we wanted to get your calls and reaction in just a moment. on twitter, carol says, i don't ham was saying.rt he knew he was in that picture one day, and he doesn't the next. who does he think is dumb enough to fall for that? the news conference yesterday
with governor ralph northam. [video clip] governor northam: when i was growing up, many actions we rightfully recognize as abhorrent today were commonplace. not wear that i did attend the party stems in part from other mistakes i made during that same time of my life. that same year, i did participate in a dance contest in san antonio in which i darkened by face as part of a michael jackson costume. i look back now and regret that i did not understand the harmful legacy of an action like this. it is because my memory of that episode is so vivid that i truly do not believe i am in the picture in my yearbook. your reaction to the virginia governor. lamont joining us from south carolina. what do you think? should he resign? caller: yes, he should resign.
i want to make a comment about race in america. black people made the educational and civil foundation of western nations. all a person has to do is read the writings of the founding fathers. they say they went to egypt to get their education. they describe their teachers, the ancient egyptians as ethiopians, black people. we contributed so much to this world, and people like that don't even know it because the united states is so racist. host: thank you for the call. from pittsburgh, the line for democrats actually harry on the republican line. caller: he should resign. you know what is a shame? the governor of new york, he passed a law where
after the baby is born, they can kill it. that is murder. i don't know why these guys cannot be taken to jail. that is horrible. what is more horrible? picturee of that or a where they show a doctor killing a baby on tv after it is born. host: barbara is joining us from new york, independent line. what do you think? caller: good morning, steve. i don't think governor northam should resign. i think it would be nice if this country would be more forgiving. this happened over 30 years ago. i am not the same person now i was 30 years ago. i hope i have matured somewhat since then. whether he is the person in the picture or not, i would like to see in this black history month the black community lead the way in showing what forgiveness looks like and what martin luther king talked about, and that is how love can prevail
over hatred. host: thank you. this is the editorial from the washington post. not good enough. sot only are mr. northam' racial attitudes from the past -- so is his future as governor. the bonds of trust broken. believe theson to racial divide in the state amplifying minority perspectives and helping virginia come to terms with his painful past. he can do those things, but not as the governor of this commonwealth. the editorial goes on to say he should resign the position immediately. let's go back to your phone calls. randy is joining us from michigan. caller: good morning. i would like to start by thanking you and all the men and women that put on this great program. you are doing a great service.
i don't believe the governor should resign because we just had -- they keep saying he cannot change. why did we have a big prison reform bill? if he cannot change, none of them people in jail can change. i think we better get off this to standard thing where it is this way for that kind of person and this way for that kind of american. this is just hypocritical. we just went through a week of bragging about all this prison reform to get to this point? sorry, i think it is a phony argument. thank you for allowing me to speak. host: thank you. one other point from that editorial, unfortunately the bonds of confidence have been broken, and they cannot be repaired. this editorial board endorsed ralph northam as governor to be a man we could trust, but we cannot anymore. ralph northam must resign.
joining us from new york. welcome to the conversation. caller: good morning. i don't think he should resign. anhink this is definitely indication of how horrendous people in the past and very recently that this type of display would be acceptable in any way but not offensive is horrendous, but i don't think he should resign. i think the fact that this is such an embarrassment, horrible, and that he has done his job well, i think he should stay in office. i think it should be an indication that maybe we are not as not racist as we would like to thank. maybe there is some more stuff we should be looking at in our pasts,n our own personal
that maybe we are not as colorblind as we want to believe we are. host: thank you. jody has this tweet. he is right up there with donald trump, isn't he? courtney, you're next. good morning, republican line. caller: again, this is something that happened over 30 years ago. as one of the people responded, all of this has changed greatly in 30 years or more. that picture, if it was him, would have been edited out of the yearbook, of course, if it was this year were 10 years ago. the one thing that is upsetting is that it was pushed off the news when he made the comment during --ing babies right after delivery when they are born alive, that you can
talk, the doctor and you, and you can decide what to do. this is insane. it is a shame that this picture has thrown that all the way off the news. to have somebody say that on the is justdio show unbelievable. ,hat is more of a shock especially 30 with years from roe v. wade versus him dressing up for a hollowing party. thank you for the call. from inside the new york times, who is justin fairfax? virginia's lieutenant governor. year,e was sworn in last justin fairfax kept in his pocket the document that freed his great great great grandfather from slavery. he is the second african-american to ever win statewide office in virginia. partiesunt from both
for the resignation of governor ralph northam, a white democrat whose yearbook page included a photo of a man in black face and another in kkk hood and roads. -- robes. astin fairfax has built reputation as affable and effective. the lieutenant governor was preparing to take over as governor with the expected resignation of mr. northam. that did not take place. in virginia, you are elected to just one term. you cannot serve a second term. he has three years remaining in his term. if he does resign, justin fairfax as lieutenant governor four a full 2021 term.
i want to make it very clear. i am african-american. when i hear some of your callers saying that this man, governor northam, should stay in his position because this thing happened 30 years ago, and we have all involved from that point, the reason why he should resign is because we have not evolved. this same type of racism continues to go on in this country. every time it shows up, we have to sweep it under the carpet were taken outdoors. it outdoors. in some way it is always acceptable to say that was me back then. now, we will find something, and he will say that was me back then. when are we going to be accountable? feel thatd they
there's a period of time where people should be held accountable? we have a president who spouts out all kinds of racist statements about people. we have a supreme court justice who just put in, and everybody knows that lady did not lie about what happened to her, but we have no kind of accountability going on. whether he is democrat, green,can, independent, i don't care what political situation he is coming out of, that is wrong. the school he went to, it speaks for the whole situation down there. i graduated from high school in 1975 here in connecticut. there is no way someone could
have put something like that in our yearbook. there is no way that would have went forward. that speaks to the culture down there and how people are being treated. host: thank you for adding your voice to the conversation. caller: we appreciate it. thank you. host: the news conference took place yesterday in richmond. it is available on our website. nikki says the yearbook controversy is courtesy of senator dianne feinstein. americans high school and college yearbooks are now fair game in their political lives. this is kavanaugh karma. henry, you are next. independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. where do i begin? my goodness. does anyone out there know, and i just got it off-line, governor
northam graduated from a predominantly black high school, not that that matters. i think it matters. i saw his state of the state address on c-span. he came across as very sincere, confident, jovial. he seemed to be well-liked by his legislature and all his colleagues. he has suddenly got himself into a couple of controversies. who of us hasn't? we have all make mistakes. i find it interesting in the form of years from the commencement of slavery in virginia, here we are, where we always are, discussing race, and it is never resolved. it is because this country, america has never had a version of a truth and reconciliation commission. he had never settle this issue. i do not think governor northam should resign. for what it's worth, and it should not be worth much, i am
an african american. i think he should stay there. we should face this. don't let the politicians off the hook. don't let the people of virginia off the hook. let's face this once and for all. this would be a good place to start. stop playing political football with race in this country. let's get real and genuine and do something concrete and lasting about this divisive issue. goingdon't, we are just to repeat this over and over and over. host: thank you for the call. let me go to bruce from indiana. welcome to the program. caller: good morning. like the gentleman before me was talking about reconciliation, i would love that. the united states would be so much better if we all got along.
host: thank you for the call. ann we go to another piece, opinion piece available in the washington post online, ralph northam must resign. that is just the start. she writes, there are many things virginia governor ralph northam should say right now. the first is that he is resigning. once he has done that, he owes the commonwealth of virginia and the rest of the country a much full or explanation. a racist photo like the one he apparently chose to represent himself in his medical school yearbook does not happen spontaneously. it is the product of something much larger, the culture that produced northam. there may be a story of redemption in there somewhere, if there is, it is the one that should have been told to the voters of his state long ago. from the morning
washington post. this is from michael lind weiser saying, his first statement painted himself in a corner. someone told him he will have no political future, so now he will fight. good morning.e, caller: good morning. i don't think he should resign. he does not remember about the book at all. his actions in recent years have not been nothing like that towards racist. as far as i can tell, he is right on key with that with what he should be doing as governor. host: thank you for the call. let's go to spence joining us from virginia. caller: good morning to you. i tell you what, i think the gentleman is going to have to step down. i think it is a crime for the
people that we want honest people in our office. we need better people. i remember 30 years ago, it seemed like senators and congressmen, they had power, but they had people that believed in them. respect.thing of it seems like we are tearing down our own government. we need to stop that. i would like to make a comment on your new set. i sorely miss looking at the capital through the back window. i remember the day you started. it was nice to be able to see the live-action in the back. i wish you could put a camera on that picture in the back. it made you feel like you are part of washington. host: you know why we are down here? we are in a different part of the building. you know why? caller: i think there was a fire in the building. host: it was about two weeks ago
at about 7:00 in the morning on a sunday. the fire took place on the eighth floor where the msnbc studios are located. our floor is the sixth floor. we experienced smoke and water damage. where continuing work to restore the studio. we will be back with that view of the capital, that we are down here until that work is completed. don't worry. this is a temporary studio. this is one of the many studios we have. caller: was anyone hurt? host: nobody was hurt. caller: thank god. i was watching that day. god bless. have a nice day. host: thank you for the call. more from the news conference yesterday, governor ralph northam. [video clip] governor northam: when i was confronted with the images yesterday, i was appalled that they appeared on my page, that i believed then and now that i am not either of the people in that photo.
i stand by my statement of apology to the many virginians who were hurt by seeing this content on a yearbook page that belongs to me. it is disgusting. it is offensive. it is racist, and it was my responsibility to recognize and prevent it from being published in the first place. i recognize that many people will find this difficult to believe. the photo appears with others i submitted on a page with my name on it. even in my own statement yesterday, i conceded that based on the evidence presented to me at the time, the most likely explanation that it was me in the photo. in the hours since i made my statement yesterday, i reflected with my family and classmates from the time and affirmed my conclusion that i am not the
person in that photo. host: that is the news conference yesterday from richmond, virginia, with governor ralph northam. some reaction to all this. first from eric, who wrote, i woke up this morning still sure it is not a good precedent for a society to turn on someone for a 35-year-old photo when in the past 35 years his conduct shows he has grown in character. we strip away grace and any incentive to improve by doing this. from bernie sanders, the governor should resign and justin fairfax should step in to begin a new day for virginia. from kamala harris, leaders are called to a higher standard. the stain of racism should have no place in the halls of government. the virginia governor should step aside so the public can heal and move forward together. cory booker, also running for president, announcing these anger arouse centuries of
and racist violence and erode all confidence in governor northam's ability to leave. he should resign. sylvia is next from virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. i personally think he should resign because one day he says it is him, and the next day he says it is not. you can tell it is him. i will say this. racism has come a long way. this will throw it back. i certainly think what he said about he is a pediatrician to kill a baby after it is born because of something wrong with it, i think that is the most horrible thing. it broke my heart. i think he should resign. could be the he governor people can have confidence in any market host: as you look at this photograph, which one do you think is him? he says he is not either one. caller: he looks like the one
with the black coat on. if you look at his shoulders, that is what he looks like. host: thank you for the call from virginia. next from atlanta, independent line. caller: hello there. thank you. good morning. thank you. this situation we have going on in this country, i want to tell and i was drafted in 1959 and went to vietnam and made it home, i grew up in a town where people did not intermingle unless they looked like one of us, you know what i mean? i will have you know that having grown up in that environment, i was at the airport one time in 1967, and the reverend dr. king was walking out of that building and hehimself that day,
was well-dressed. i walked behind him i don't know how many feet. it wasn't 100 yards. anyway, i did not speak to the man. in 1959, to vietnam and i had a machine gunner that saved my life twice. people have a way of learning. people have a way to improve. how do you people feel about all these people in our country that you are so mad because they don't speak english? have you ever said hello to them? have you ever tried to help them along so they stand shoulder to shoulder with us? what are you people talking about? thank you for letting me talk. host: thank you. atlanta, georgia, home of the super bowl later today. tweet. a there is this, it is illogical that any 25-year-old man at that
time would not recognize the insensitivity of such behavior. knowing northam did so no blacks would be in attendance. am struggles to escape virginia's troubled past and his own. terry mcauliffe, who served as governor when ralph northam was lieutenant governor, the situation he has put himself and the commonwealth of virginia is untenable. it is time for ralph northam to step down. house speaker nancy pelosi, the photo is racist and contrary to fundamental american values. i join my colleagues calling on governor northam to do the right thing so that people of the commonwealth of virginia can heal and move forward. there are not two sets of rules for friends and foes. right is right. wrong is wrong.
racism cannot be excused in our government or anywhere else. having seen the photo, i believe governor northam should resign. there is noen, place for racism in america. governor northam has lost all moral authority and should resign immediately. justin fairfax is the leader virginia needs. back to your calls, gary. good morning. also from atlanta. caller: good morning. host: you are on the democrats line, we should point out. caller: huh? host: i wanted to point out you are on the democrats line. good morning. caller: i find it ironic that everybody tells blacks to forgive and forget. nobody tells the jewish people that. down. nazis you at that to stop
point. there is a big difference between the stains of racism, which were horrible, and the genocide during world war ii. was a form ofy genocide. host: you are right. your point is? caller: what happened to the former slaves? that is in the history of mankind. host: nobody can deny that. you are comparing the two. caller: anybody suffering from that mental illness, anybody who thinks they are superior to another man because of the color of his skin is suffering from a mental illness. he should not hold public office. he should not be allowed to be a police officer. he should not own a gun. these are things he should not be allowed to do. you can have your sickness. we don't care about that. you should not be over other people. that is all we are saying.
i don't care how white people feel. i don't care how they think about me. what i am saying is i don't want you as my governor. i don't want you as my doctor. i don't want you over me. that is all i am saying. happy super bowl sunday. host: next is ron joining us from arlington, virginia. independent line. good morning. what should happen next? caller: i believe that he should resign. if you don't mind, i think with the comparison the last caller was talking about that blacks that were slaves were massacred, hung, were tortured, it is not a complete comparison to the holocaust, but i think we should keep that in mind. if i could go back to that the governor should resign. if we want to compare president trump and say that he is a
racist for saying that there is violence on both sides, then we should hold the same standard. an investigation needs to be held. it is obvious that northam was involved in racism in some way. he was a grown man at 25. it is unacceptable. he must resign immediately. host: thank you for the call. fromntioned the tweet governor terry mcauliffe. he will appear on c-span's state of the union, one of the five sunday shows that we bear on c-span radio. howard is next from florida, republican line. what do you think? caller: good morning. i don't know what to think. this is something that happened 35 years ago. we don't know why the picture was taken to begin with or who even is in the picture. i understand it was put in his
yearbook. he made a statement that he did not even get his yearbook because he went into the military. out,e this picture came before people knew it happened, he was doing a good job being governor. was he or was he not? this is dismissive of what he is doing today. ,f he was talking racist stuff and if this picture happened a week ago, i would understand. i would think he should resign. we still don't know why that picture was taken. what was the reason for him standing side by side in the kkk to begin with? that is the deeper problem. not the ones he was in the picture, just like kavanaugh said he did not sexually assault ms. ford. now we are stuck in a situation where we have to believe the accuser, and the victim, or the
person being accused is no longer being shown as may be telling the truth. it is wrong. it is wrong to accuse him of being racist over a picture that happened 35 years ago, and we don't know why the picture was taken. host: thank you for the call. from fox news, the president slamming ralph northam and the yearbook controversy, calling it unforgivable. president trump condemning virginia governor northam. on twitter he wrote, them a credit governor ralph northam has just stated i believe i am not that person in the photo. this was 24 hours after apologizing for appearing in the picture. unforgivable. president also tweeting on the political equation of all this. saying ed gillespie, who ran against ralph northam must now be thinking malpractice and
dereliction of duty with regards to his opposition research staff. they find that terrible picture before the election, he winds by 20 points. next is alvin joining us from texas. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? host: fine. how are you? caller: i don't think he should resign. every time something happens -- people change. i believe this man has changed. this is what christianity is all about. you have to learn to forgive people. i must remind black americans that christ gave us. learn to forgive people. he says he has changed. the people that work around him should know. learn to forgive. i think he should stay in office. host: thank you. this is a statement from the current lieutenant governor, justin fairfax.
i will read it in its entirety. so many virginians, i am saddened by the images that came to light yesterday. they are examples of a painful scourge that continues to haunt us today and hold us back from the progress we continue to make. as we commemorate 400 years since the first enslaved africans were brought to virginia, it is painful to experience such a searing reminder of the modern legacy of our nations original sin. as someone who's great great great grandfather was enslaved, this episode strikes close to home. the governor needed to apologize, and i am glad he did so. he reached out to me personally to express his sincere regrets and apologize. i worked closely with governor northam over many years. he has been a friend to me and has treated me and my family with hospitality and respect. actions condone the from the past that suggest a darker with virginia's
history of was from c, racial stereotyping, and intimidation. northam says we need leaders with the ability to unite. i remain committed to serving and helping heal the common wealth move forward. we must make decisions in the best interest of the commonwealth and the people of virginia." that is from justin fairfax, lieutenant governor, who would become governor if governor northam steps down. yesterday, he said he would continue to serve out for the next three years. caller: good morning. i think it is ridiculous we should ask for his resignation. we have a recall process. if the voters who put him into office don't like him, they can take him out.
let me say that kamala harris, cory booker, and president trump have issues. who among us has not had something embarrassing in our life? most of us are fortunate it has not been publicized, and there is no record. in the future, there will be the internet and twitter. , i am the governor concerned that he says he is a member of the southern baptist isrch and that his pastor obviously happy with his position on abortion. like you may have cut off harry and another lady who talk to you about this issue. i hope that is not the case. the governor has to look at himself and in his heart. the only way this country is going to go forward is if people
have a change in their hearts, and that is only going to happen with jesus christ. thank you. host: thank you for the call. next is eddie. good morning. what do you think? caller: good morning. i think they should resign. -- controlu have over the citizenry, he should have a clean slate. if you go back at his record and looking at his schooling and look at the entire school situation. this is a man who said that was not him. he still said he have your destiny to put black on his face and pretend he was michael jackson. the democratic party has not changed. they just put sugar on their racism. they come in here. they call it reparations and
look at us crazy. this is why they want legals. it has nothing to do with compassion. it has to do with diluting the bill this nation owes lax and native americans. they flood us with mexicans. do you understand that? illegal mexicans is what i should say. this is the democratic party. whether or not we should be forgiven, that is up to each individual. he needs to be out of office. host: from the roanoke times, can northam still represent virginia? the political reality is ralph northam has lost the most precious thing any politician can possess, his reputation. that photograph is considered a disqualifier. northam is in the difficult position of trying to prove it is not him. northam has now become a
liability to his whole party. what democratic candidate will want northam to campaign for them? who will answer his fund-raising calls? realistically, can ralph northam in the wayirginia people expect from their governor? from ohio, democrats line, laura. good morning. caller: good morning. i have to ask, is in the whole process of life communicating about changing, learning you have got the wrong idea and other people talking to you in making you realize that your idea is wrong and changing your idea and becoming someone else, growing. if you are going to condemn a man for something in the past, if he has changed, why would you condemn him for changing? that is like saying don't bother
to change if you have that ideas because it does not matter in the future. i think that is wrong. i am a white woman married to a black man with five of the most beautiful mixed kids. 19 grandchildren. my own father disowned me for three years for this because i am from kentucky. after three years, he ate changed. -- he changed. father-in-law -- if you don't want people to change, shut up. quit trying to change people. you are wasting your time. you are showing it is not worth it. host: thank you for the call. we will go to hewitt in florida. thank you for joining the conversation. caller: good morning. how are you doing?
host: good. caller: i think he should resign. for too long they have required us black people to forget that forget the last 450 years of brutality. we need to come to the realization that it does not matter if you are democrat or republican. built in the american dna. this is not america. this is not america. this is america. this has been america the last 400 plus years, since the on thens first set foot north american continent. nothing has changed. this photo of this man, he is in blackface. he knows this. he knows he is going to lose his job. now he wants to say it was not me. it was him. he should resign. host: can you stay on the line
for a minute? how do we get beyond this? obviously the pictures are painful, horrible, horrific. they are a reminder of the painful past. as a country, how do we get beyond this? caller: unfortunately for this country, i will tell you straight up, what people cannot people --at white straight up, white people cannot replace what they have taken from us. for you to ask us to forgive and forget all this is just too much. host: i am not asking forgive and forget. i am asking how we can get beyond this. clearly, the stain of racism continues. you wonder how we can move beyond that. caller: it is in the american dna. it is in the american dna.
it is like this. we lost vietnam. we lost north korea. for the simple reason we could not see the ideas. we cannot defeat racism. period. it is in the american dna. dna. in what people's period. that's a fact. host: you don't think we can defeat it? caller: it will be with us in the year 3020. host: thank you. did you have a final point? caller: my final point is he needs to resign. for those speaking up for him, he made a mistake and he should be forgiven. ok. slapped by a sheriff in martin county. i will never forgive him for that. he is dead and gone.
that is part of what i grew up with. i grew up in the south. i understand with the south is. it is the old south with the new face. i have got to go. host: thank you for the call. more reaction from congress. california,hy of governor northam's racist behavior in the past caps and egregious week. staying in office only person's efforts to grow together as one nation. he should resign. elizabeth warren, the democratic senator from massachusetts, these racist images are deeply disturbing. hatred and racism have no place in our country and must not be tolerated, especially from our leaders. northam must resign. annette is joining us from michigan. welcome to the program. caller: good morning.
host: good morning. caller: it is quite office that the hot button in the topic of his resignation is a photograph, a 35-year-old photograph. to say that there was not the moral outrage and the same response from her catholic and christian leaders regarding his description of what was potentially infanticide displays to me where our focus is as a country to gain. -- today. this was a photograph. there is no one killed in this photograph. it was reprehensible as far as him explaining why he was in it. the comparisons most people calling in regarding the topic of racism versus the killing of an innocent baby, i think that is startling. should have been
called for earlier in the week before this came out, the timing of which is interesting. i think our lack of respect for human life regardless of race, color, skin, or an infant should be the focus of this man's resignation. thank you. host: we will go to richard in akron, ohio. good morning. caller: good morning. i feel if this man stays in office, every african-american should boycott the 2020 election. thank you. host: think you for the call. governor ralph northam met with reporters yesterday afternoon. he had an opening statement followed by questions. here is more from that event. [video clip] [indistinct conversations] i am asking for -- governor northam: i am asking for the opportunity to listen to your questions.
if i resign, i could spare myself from the difficult path that lies ahead. i could avoid an honest conversation about the harmful actions from ipass. i cannot in good conscience choose the path that would be easier for me in an effort to duck my responsibility to reconcile. i took an oath to uphold this office and serve the people of this commonwealth to the best of .y ability as long as i believe i can effectively fulfill this task, i intend to continue doing the business of virginia. host: that is from governor ralph northam, his news conference yesterday. california,ing us, republican line. caller: yes, he should resign. 30 years is not far away. he knew what he was doing. he knew about that. that is just the way it is.
about how wealking have to have these people over, just like the police department. here in california, it is really bad. if you are a black man traveling around, here they come. whenever i get pulled over, it is always a good old boy. it is always the white man. i only had three tickets in my lifetime. i am almost 60 years old. always getting pulled over. clean record, california, retired. it is not making any sense. host: thank you for the call. the president getting out of washington, d.c. after the shutdown. yesterday, the president with 43-year-old tiger woods and jack nicholas at mar-a-lago. spending a great
morning playing golf with tiger woods on the florida getaway after shutdown. david is joining us here in washington, d.c., democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you doing today? host: good. what do you think, should he stay or resign? caller: i believe him first when he apologized for being in the picture. the next day after consulting his family, he decided he was not in the picture. i have heard comments about reconsideration -- reconciliation -- host: are you with us? i apologize. we lost the call. this is bob joining us from michigan. good morning. caller: good morning, sir. host: how are you? caller: fine. that lady that pulled from michigan before, i am in
agreement with her. everybody has their panties about this stuff. we are seeing a klansman next to a guy that is supposed to be black, and they are getting their picture taken, and everybody is upset. they want to commit infanticide, and nobody gives two hoots. i just don't understand it. nobody has a sense of humor anymore. host: bob from michigan. this is from cbs news. tulsi gabbard kicking off her rallyential campaign at a in honolulu, hawaii. senator cory booker of new jersey announcing this week that he is seeking the democratic presidential nomination. will begin aren six state tour.
good morning from maryland. what you think about the governor of virginia across the border from you? caller: good morning. i don't think he should resign. i don't think he is any different from any other european american in north america. i don't know why people are subset. i don't think he is any different from any other european american in north america. miseducation the colored people that is here. all the people color in north before the were here european americans. we are aboriginal americans. we are not african-americans. we are not black. byse are lies put on us european americans. the slave trade was a lie. the whole history is a lie.
the history i am trying to tell you is what they are trying to keep secret. that is the secret. that is the crime they committed. everything that european americans have in north american they stole from her people. the only reason they are living in north america is because people like jackson that did the indian removal act to forcefully remove aboriginal americans off their land and give it to european america. that is the crime that has been committed. host: thank you for the call. , can we stop and talk about how quickly the right calls for him to resign and most of the left.' the right stay silent or digs in
for figures like mcconnell, kavanaugh, and king. political turmoil. john is joining us from chicago. good morning. we have talked before, steve. a little housekeeping. thank you for telling us about the set. tell pedro and john not to ask too many questions. long, hanging around so we forget our point. pedro and john asked so many questions, and that prevents other colors from getting in. my point. i grew up with a hillbilly from the medalnia that won of honor. i went through boot camp with a mexican that won the medal of
honor. my wife grew up with a racist from virginia that won medal of honor. beck and white, that should played in every grammar school and high school every week. we need education. when martin luther king marched on the east side of chicago, i bitched. we had a black basketball coach. i was crazy about basketball. that coach left that summer. me when him leaving on i joined the marine corps and went to vietnam after cronkite said the war was full of baloney. living next vet door said when you call for help, you don't care who comes, black, white, green.
ago i left50 years for the marine corps with my buddies. what we need is education. you asked about that a few minutes ago from a fellow. we need education. we should have a public service program once a week on your station, steve, so people can be educated about this. thanks a lot for having the megaphone for us americans and everybody on earth can call this tv station and speak to the american public. count your blessings. my glass is half-full. host: thank you for the call. i'm good ask you a question. are you still with us? he hung up. i was going to ask him about the chicago weather. i think it has warmed up. rebel faction of the american civil war, and his family's confederate history, i feel fine about turning my back on what supremacy. , durham, mayor
turner. richard, are you with us -- term, north carolina. richard, are you with us? caller: yes. what percentage of african-americans are killed by abortions? no one talks about this. we solve this?an in then like you position you have can admit how privilege,lue white how this issue was discussed with members of your crew there. white privilege by most of america is the reason we have this problem today. how we can solve it is to admit that we have this problem.
if you want, if you have a cannot admityou you have this problem, then you will never solve it. host: thank you for adding your voice. .com, ralphco/cp northam refuses to resign but admits he once did michael jackson blackface. caller: good morning. i have to tell you that you are one of my favorite posts. i want to emphasize what the gentleman a couple calls before me mentioned that when pedro and sometimes when john, when i am trying to listen to people, and i am a pretty new c-span listener, will never stop listening. i love c-span. host: thank you for that. caller: i tell people about it. i uploaded to facebook so people
can hear. a lot of people are learning about c-span because i'm telling them. you talk to people, i feel a respectability. i feel a nonbiased respectability in just letting people voice their opinion. i appreciate that. i cannot tell you. host: all of us try to do that, all the hosts at c-span. caller: i appreciate that. i think northam should step down. i appreciate that you asked another caller who was pretty upset. i feel like i can relate to him. you asked him what could be done .o heal this i think there is going to be needed a multipronged approach to resolve this over a long time. someone in the platform that you
are in on c-span, if you could have some kind of weekly conversation about this or some kind of education about it, you might have programs on your channels. president whoe a would talk about the original sin of this country and not ller from that ca maryland was so right. i'm not african-american. i am not a descendent of africa. i am not a descendent of slavery. i have done my research on my family history. black people, we can say black people, but black people were here before the europeans came over and stole the land. i just wished that the narrative would be honest. everyone who has a broad reaching platform, starting from
the top down of the president to c-span and all in between, if everyone would have an honest conversation and at the schools were educating properly, we could move forward better. there is no way to repay me or other so-called black persons, there is no way to repay us, but we can start and as far as comparing to the jewish holocaust, my heart hurt so bad when i had to learn about the jewish holocaust in school and college. my heart hurt so bad. there is no comparison to slavery, the transatlantic slave trade. you can't compare the two, but the slave trade was the most terrific genocide -- most horrific genocide in the history of the world. thank you and i look forward to listening to you. host: thank you for adding your voice.
pelosi carefully doles out power among various factions. we mentioned that for two reasons. if you're interested in our podcast, it is available on the free c-span radio app. a look at speaker pelosi and her influence on capitol hill. tuesday night is the state of the union address and the president will be introduced by house speaker nancy pelosi. live coverage getting underway at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. the speech starting shortly after 9:00 p.m. eastern time. up next, paul glastris is joining us from washington monthly to talk about how democrats can gain that regain support in economically declining areas in the midwest. later, stephanie hamill, talking about the state of the union address and trump's friend and that trumps's -- trumps presidential run in 2020 -- trump's presidential run in
2020. the questions, was of the american conservative union will support the president in his election bid in 2020. >> we will be behind our incumbent president and i am overjoyed that he has governed as a conservative. the most dedicated conservative president we have seen in my lifetime. anald reagan is a bit of patron saint of conservatives in the united states but the trump has been more conservative than reagan. our theme is what makes america great, so our theme is not maga. it is an event where we talk about policies and what our conservative solutions -- and what are conservative solutions.
our theme is what makes america great. as far as the group is concerned, the american conservative union, all pulled together the board of directors and asked the question. thatcompletely confident we will endorse the president again. i am positive we will do that and here is what i do know. onone on my board -- nobody my board has any reservations about how donald trump is acting as president. our board is excited about the policies implement it. i have not heard from one single board member out of almost 40 who has expressed any reservations to how donald trump is acting as president. host: our guest is the chair of
the american conservative union. he also talked about his potential candidacy for u.s. senate in his home state of kansas. that full interview follows the washington journal at 10:00 p.m. -- at 10:00 eastern time. it is also available on the free c-span radio app. back paul welcome glastris, editor in chief of the washington monthly. . thank you for being with us your cover story -- monthly. thank you for being with us. your cover story, looking at the 2016 election where hillary clinton did well and did poorly. what did we learn? guest: the democrats have a problem in that their voters in 2016 and 2018, democrats got more votes than republicans. 9 million more for u.s. senate in 2018. yet they lost two seats in the senate.
a 2016, hillary clinton got 3 million more votes than donald trump yet lost the white house. the problem is obvious to anyone who looks at the map. democrats are clustered in a handful of coastal states, overrepresented in those states thin on the-- too ground in states like ohio and mississippi. host: donald trump winning the electoral vote. the states, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan and iowa considered key to the democrats and you can see the coastal states, the upper midwest and out west, this is a by county breakdown and you can with theea of read blue along the coast. -- you can see the sea of red with the blue along the coast. guest: democrats have been
trying to figure out how they can win given this geographic spread. here is hope that they can do better in the southwest, the south, georgia and texas. candidates performed pretty well in 2018. we are offering a different idea which is how about democrats get behind rebuilding the economies and thatflyover states the key to doing so is -- there arehat many things that led to the decline of middle america. that that -- the biggest thing that happened was 40 years ago. changedral government policy when it comes to competition and antitrust. prior to 1980, the u.s. had lots of policy in place to make sure
that every part of the country could compete. around 1978, first with jimmy carter and then ronald reagan, the federal government decided to get those policies. policies.se what we have seen is a new geographic inequality. incomes between my hometown and think -- in st. louis and new york city were coming closer and closer together. country true all of our country.er the most of the country is now falling behind a couple metro states and cities. if the democrats want to solve their geographic problem, both parties need to get behind solving the geographic inequality problem. host: if you look at the
traditional base of the democratic party going back to franklin roosevelt and john kennedy, winning the farm belt, what changed? what happened? guest: that is a very good question. a lot has happened since democrats did well among middle west farmers. a lot of middle west farmers are longtime republicans as i learned, but i think that the fallen behindve timeetro areas for a long and in their desperation, democrats did not seem to be providing answers to their problems. republicans offered answers to their problems. you can presume those answers
were right or wrong, but they did provide answers. what we found is that what farmers respond to is not talk or tariffs broadband , but they tend to give donald trump a pass on those because they think the tariffs are temporary. they feel what is really constraining their income in raising costs are these agribusiness monopolies that raise the price of their inputs and reduce the price other outputs -- report -- reduce the price of their outputs. -- who ran in iowa against stephen king came within three points of beating king, largely based on an argument on pushing back against agribusinesses.
i think the democrats have a shot at reversing some of the decline in their support from the farm belt by adopting this sort of policy. host: one of the sidebar pieces, how to close the rule gap. our guest is paul glastris, editor in chief at the washington monthly. if you live in rural america, (202)-748-8000. for all others, (202)-748-8001. tweet or joins a in on the conversation on facebook. looking ahead to 2020, you may have a record number of democrats running for the presidency. do you sense that this message will get to these candidates? guest: i think it already has. cory booker has given some very strong speeches on anti-trusts.
elizabeth warren was the first major democrat to get behind this issue. decides to getr into this race, she is behind the big antitrust move. host: a democratic senator from ohio is on a tour through iowa. busy resonating among rural americans -- is he resonating among rural americans? guest: i believe he is. he is kind of a straight arrow midwest guy. when he sits down with farmers, they are telling him sort of what we reported in our magazine , which is you want -- if you want to reach farmers, talk about industry concentration. host: let's get to some phone calls. blake is joining us from maryland. caller: how are you doing? host: fine. caller: i listened to the north
and comments. i was surprised that nobody calling in nor the moderator -- software was called to be used and it looks like you should try to look at the facts before deciding something as important as whether a governor should beat each round. host: -- be de-throned. host: thank you for the call. guest: it does not look good for the governor. there is a groundswell of support for him to go. democrats have a pretty strong within a governor waiting in the wings. i don't know the truth of the accusations, but i can't imagine he survives. host: the conflicting stories, for saying he was in the pictures and then coming out and saying he is not.
northam was a republican with george w. bush and he ran admitting that and saying he changed his views. if he also had said what i had racial views that i am not proud of that are in the past and i have changed, he might be in a better position, but that is not how he ran. host: our guest is paul glastris, editor in chief of the washington monthly. hisrod brown who is on dignity for jobs tour. there is what he had to say. [video clip] democratic activists and pundits act like our party has to choose between advocating for strong progressive values that excite our base, which we do, or talking to working-class voters about their lives. for us it is not either or.
you governed by speaking to progressive values and fighting for workers. you campaign that way and you win that way. that is why we do both. guest: it is not a great challenge for the democrats to issues ofween groups.ting different aret of culture issues lunch bucket economic issues, and talking specifically about the economy and working americans. i think sherrod brown is absolutely right. if democrats don't do both, i don't see them winning the numbers they need. host: a tale of blue cities. democrats may lose the political map for generations.
,n terms of the electoral map we saw with george bush and in 2016, we saw the last two double can presidents when the pop -- lose the popular vote but when the election. guest: that's right. -- if you look at the states that democrats need to do well in and have been doing -- that they, you can explain the failure in 2016 and some of the failures of 2018 by looking at the growth of metro areas. hasome town of st. louis had very modest growth at best over the last 30 years. why? inn i went away to college
1977, st. louis had 22 fortune 500 companies. today, it has nine. it is going to go down to eight wind express trips gets bought. when you strip away those kinds of corporate mergers, of course it hurts the city. you look around the midwest and the upper midwest and you see cincinnatis and losing their companies and where is us companies moving? the big cities on the coast like new york and seattle. that,wer that comes with you look at the takeover of banks. there used to be quite a few more local and regional banks. the failure of a lot of these , even shrinking
of places like detroit, that has not -- that lack of significant growth in the metro areas has not made up for the decline in the rural areas. when hillary clinton ran in 2016, she did very well in metro cincinnati and st. louis and metro milwaukee, but she still lost. at the ratee grown of minneapolis or st. paul, hillary would have won wisconsin by 16,000 votes instead of losing it by 23,000 votes. the question is what can be done to help the medium-sized cities in the heartland grow better? is one of thee cities being considered for the democratic convention in 2020. this article is available online on washington monthly.
if the party cannot find policy leaders to boost growth rates and enhance the number of democratic voters in purple and red state metro areas, they will have a hard time ever overcoming the republic -- republican geographic advantage, yet almost no one on the left talks as if they understand this reality. alan is joining us from north carolina. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. a couple points i would like to address if possible. i think the gentleman brings up some interesting points. ofever participated in terms the farming area. i think that should be
in the points of view you said, i think that is interesting. the other thing i think democrats can win on is this. whenever they compete against any of their opposition, they simply need to tell the truth. tell the truth about what is going on. tell the truth about the cause and effect of policies that has been limited. -- that has been implemented. tell the truth about donald trump, tell the things he has done that are lies. show the american people you are areing the truth and if you going to tell the truth about that youou make sure cover yourself. people have to not only seed,
but you have to show them -- not only see, but you have to show them. host: let's move on. guest: i am for the truth. i don't disagree with anything he said. i do think democrats if they hope to win in the numbers they need, they need to have more than responses to donald trump. the need to have responses to the actual problems that people in the country have. the advantage of this competition policy i am talking how do more places compete in the way they used to be able to? it not only solves a political problem for the democrats but it's always a fundamental for least attempts to solve it fundamental economic problem of the country. host: we welcome our listeners
on c-span radio and sirius xm. good afternoon to our viewers in great britain on the bbc channel. we come out of st. louis, next, paul. caller: i appreciate being able to get through. there are several topics i would like to talk about. quality.em is the -- one of them is the quality -- equality. donald trump is trying to clean the swamp and that means getting non-fearing people that want to have sex changes and have all of this hatred and fighting going on. .ou can't change our history
the things in the past, they are what they are. those who blames others for their problems and everyone has problems and blames things on other people because they are like children. they have not learned to grow. if you blame others for your problem, you have not begun to understand. if you don't blame anybody for your problems, you have found the answers to life. there are several other points. one of them is giving your personal views. these newscasters. i don't see you doing it. they all give their own personal views. they are not sticking to the issues, what has been done and what is being -- what action is orng taken by candidates people in the superior positions. another thing is stop trying to change people.
are going to side 70% of the time with their own races. they are not going to side with the white race. the country started with george washington and the world is owned by a select few. host: we will jump in and get a response. guest: not really. host: let's code to ryan from iowa -- let's go to ryan from iowa. i am in the fourth congressional district which is unfortunately represented by steve king. as your guest mentioned earlier, from my experience, the issues --t resonated more with rather than antitrust, in my hisrience, is more of
liberal basis and honestly the unpopularity of steve king in , especially with the national attention he has been getting recently. i voted for amy klobuchar, and i think her candidacy would be really good. -- she just wasn't that popular and trump had the anti-establishment bases that was pretty popular amongst republicans. host: thank you for the call. let me take his point and turn it into a question. when bill clinton became the democratic nominee, the first
thing he did was hop on a bus and go through rural pennsylvania, ohio, indiana and the upper midwest. bill clinton grew up in rural arkansas. my question is why did the hillary clinton camp -- why didn't the hillary clinton campaign take that message in 2016? guest: the greatest question of the 2016 race is how hillary clinton who, herself ran very strongly in rural upstate new york. she watched her husband for him, shepaigned with knows is any -- she knows as well as anyone in politics, the importance of winning small towns, rural areas, and how to do it. the fact that she didn't, there have been books written about this. i think there were some issues within the campaign. they were looking at their data. host: their analytics. guest: i think that is one of
the great lost opportunities in politics in my lifetime. gary is joining us from georgia. go ahead with your question or comment. caller: i think everybody -- host: gary? are you still with us? i will try one more time. we lost you. let's go to john, from florida. good morning. joan, i apologize. i was wondering which college this governor in virginia had gone to. when they had school yearbooks, there are people that check the
book and make sure everything is ok. why did that school for that college let that be in the book? guest: good question. host: when you see this headline for the washington post, north am resisting calls for his northam resisting calls for his resignation. what will happen next from your perspective? guest: we will see if governor northam resigns. if he doesn't, it will be a very bitter fight. my guess is he will resign. there is not any support, i am sure the risen among his friends and family and closest colleagues, telling him to fight. it may be he is not in one of these photos. i am not sure that it matters. that theymocrats know can't have some but he like that theyng a major state, but
have a very strong replacement in the lieutenant governor who is freshfaced, dynamic and it would be different if the lieutenant governor was republican. host: and of course justin fairfax is -- guest: that's right. host: let's go to carl from pennsylvania. glastris,is paul editor in chief of the washington monthly. caller: good morning. it is funny about this whole issue. i remember back early when obama and people in the democratic party viewed rural america as bitter clingers. the problem i have with democrats, not only are they not interested in addressing the
issues that might be important to us in rural areas, but when we try to talk about the issues that are interesting to us, we are branded as racist and all the rest of it. now as rural people are struggling, we are told how we have privilege and all kinds of this silliness that comes out of the academic community. i see the democrats offering little more than identity politics. i see the democrats, it seems they are more concerned about illegal immigrants than the citizens of this country. host: we will get a response. fair: i don't think it is to say they have not offered ideas for rural america. there is a big chunk of her role america that does not have high-speed broadband and you can't really be part of the modern economy without it. think about what a disadvantage that puts those places in.
addictionabout opioid and have put forth some big numbers in terms of dollars they are willing to put into rehab and other things. i think they have not gotten at of the of the -- the nub economic problem of role america -- of rural america. democrats should or even could give up on their beliefs on racial justice, on criminal justice reform, immigration. these are core democratic principles and both -- democratic principles and there are people in both rural and urban america who do not agree with that. some rural americans will accept it. they will think even if they like the idea, they will not
vote democrat but i think a lot will. democrats don't need to win rural votes, they need to go from 30% to 40%. date -- they do that and it is game over for the republican party. how the democrats solve their geography problem and more from you and your colleague. regional equality was cresting and the government changed course, the process began under jimmy carter but regional inequality really took off in the 1980's when both the supreme thet and ronald reagan's part of justice narrow the definition of what was enforceable under antitrust laws which began in enormous number of corporate mergers -- began an enormous number of corporate mergers. joe in washington, thank you for waiting. caller: good morning.
where do i begin? i am going to start by saying that i agree with the previous callers from missouri and pennsylvania. i think they hit the nail on the head. the rural areas are going to stay red. this is the main reason. we do not agree with democratic values. it is like when california came up to my state and tried to change the values we have in my community. we rejected it. we do not want gun control, we do not want abortion, we want things -- we are governed by laws, that is the way we want to be governed. we are a republic and that is where i think he is missing. we don't want democratic values. before i hang up, go patriots. [laughter]
host: the first to call on that. i was waiting for that. guest: we disagree on the super bowl, but i actually agree with him. i think he is saying what i was saying before. there are a lot of rural voters who just don't like democrats. they don't like their ideas, their values. democrats are not going to win those votes. there are millions of rural voters who voted for barack obama twice and then voted for donald trump. there are millions of rural voters who are on the fence. democrats don't have to win all of the role votes, they need to win -- rural votes, they need to win a bigger percentage. there are polls about a lot of the white working class in certain areas, small towns, agreeing with the democrats on issues like taxation and the environment, but they have not heard from democrats, the
democrats have not articulated a message that wins the vote. host: amazon does a nationwide search looking at all types of possibilities. columbus, national, denver. they end up going to new york and just outside of washington, d.c. which surprised a lot of people. they are basically going to two areas that don't need the economic growth as opposed to other areas that would have welcomed it. guest: they are going to two areas or the cost of housing is astronomical, the traffic is terrible. there were some very good proposals from a lot of cities. atlanta, detroit, columbus. these would have been very strong contenders. cities that are more middle of the country. amazon is in the movement of goods business. you would think they would want to be in the middle. who knows why they did what they did. the way monopoly capitalism works is monopolists corner
markets and cities. where can jeff bezos best protect his investment in his monopoly? who has the power to break up his monopoly? two how is -- who has the power to protect his monopoly? washington, d.c. has that power. the way, he owns a home here and a major newspaper. also in new york. one could speculate it was in the cards to move there all the time and this whole thing was kind of silly. host: we go to clarksburg, west virginia. frank, good morning. caller: good morning. i am a little bit nervous. i don't understand it. live in a poor state, one of the poorest states in the united states.
we just lost 11,000 people. we have been losing people in the population the last six years. why i don't understand is do people vote against themselves? in their own interests? with as to me that little bit of knowledge, you understand who is more likely to be an assistance to you in your daily life. if you check and see exactly what they stand for, instead of just letting things go and going to vote the way you were told to vote. there is the problem. if you take time to learn your own interests and how you are republican.we vote you explain that to me.
have a good day. host: thank you for the call. that wasn't so bad, no need to be nervous. caller: thank you. guest: i feel for the gentleman. which state that he said he was from? host: west virginia. guest: a tough state. they take it on the chin again and again. people vote against their economic interests all the time. it is a free country. wealthy liberals vote for democrats who promise to raise their taxes. they don't do it for personal gain. they know they're going to lose. they do it because they think the higher taxes will go to programs that support others who need it and strengthen the company -- strengthen the country. there is nothing wrong with voting against your particular personal economic interests if you think it is going to lead to a stronger economy for everyone or a greater country.
we have not had policies for a lot of the states that did that. and hisul glastris cover story, how the democrats solve their geographical problem. editor in chief at the washington monthly. thank you for stopping by. trump from --ent who has pool duty at mar-a-lago. the second day in a row the president has been golfing. he will spend super bowl sunday in florida and will be back in washington, d.c. for the state of the union address on tuesday evening. coming, stephanie hamill to talk about the presidential speech and 2020. later, patrick duddy, the venezuelan ambassador. you are watching and listening to c-span's "washington journal" on the sunday morning.
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be a bit of an olive branch to the democrats. they were fighting over that shut down. february 15 is coming up soon. some of the topics that president trump will be discussing according to the white house will be immigration, national security and infrastructure. once the shutdown is over with and completed and they figure it all out, they will be moving on to infrastructure and that is something the democrats want because it brings money back to their districts and this is something they can all get behind. as for who they will be people invite guests to make political points. we know that democrats are inviting one illegal immigrant who was recently let go from a trump golf course, a woman from guatemala. president trump will be bringing
border related guests. this is -- this is according to an interview that was exclusive with the daily caller. we recently had a sit-down interview with the president and he did not say who he was inviting, but that it would be border related, someone affected by illegal immigration, possibly an angel mother or a border patrol agent. host: we are seeing some divisions among house and senate republicans on a couple fronts. first, a resolution that passed in the senate, looking at the president pulling out of syria and afghanistan and also the reference made by the senate republican leader on a potential government shutdown, comparing it to a third kick of the mule, telling the president don't do that. guest: i have a feeling that we are not going to see another shutdown. president trump is exploring other avenues. we have heard him talk publicly about this national emergency
that could be declared if there is no agreement on border wall funding. nancy pelosi just a couple days ago declared -- made it clear that they are not willing to budge on that. we probably won't see a $5.7 billion which is what president trump and republicans want. emergency,national we have never seen that be used for border related issues. it is not something that presidents use often. we know that president obama used it for swine flu back in 2009. president trump is exploring that. we don't know how that would pan out in the court. there would definitely be some objection. president trump the court would side with him if it made it that way. we are also hearing from the washington post that senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is not excited about the idea of a national emergency being declared for border wall
funding. apparently republicans could potentially come up with some sort of resolution to totally shutdown this idea. used anington post unknown source, so we don't know who said that. we just know republicans were involved in the conversation. we will have to find out which way they are going to go. at the end of the day, president trump has made it clear he will get a border wall no matter what. this was his signature campaign promise and the american people can expect it. as for what it will look like, it depends. we have heard wall, fence, barrier. there are so many ways that we don't know what it will look like. i revisited the southern border when the border wall prototypes were finished. i went there twice, to see them while they were being built and when they were finished.
we are not sure if any of those will be used. we don't know where they will be placed. a big question a lot of people who werehe democrats once for fences are no longer for fences. we are ready have fences for hundreds of miles down the border and there are just places where they could use extra support and this is according to border patrol agents. i have interviewed several border patrol agents to get their feelings on the issue and not one agent has told me that we don't need extra barriers in strategic locations. even barack obama's former border patrol -- the head of border patrol said we needed it. this is not a political issue. this is about national security. host: our guest is stephanie hamill, first time on c-span i believe. guest: yes, i have been watching for years, so thank you for
having me. host: where did you go to school? guest: the university of arizona. host: formerly the diversity advisor for president donald trump. guest: we had people from all over the country and we would get phone calls together and discuss some of the issues that were important to our communities. i am latino and my mother is an immigrant from mexico. that is the conversation i brought to the table. part of the group was to get the messaging out there. a lot of minorities don't hear the proper messaging from the establishment. a lot of what we see on establishment media is a lot of narrative, propaganda and everyone else's feelings. host: like it or not, which is what? guest: like it or not is an interesting show for me because
it is about trending news, but of course everything revolves around politics. sometimes we talk about what is going on. we talk about global news and celebrities and sports. host: our guest is stephanie hamill. i want to go back to something the president said this week with regard to his national intelligence director. there was a hearing on capitol hill that included the cia director and the director of national intelligence. this is what dan coats told senators with regard to north korea. [video clip] korea, theg north regime has held its provocative behavior related to wmd programs. north korea has not conducted any nuclear capable missile tests in more than a year and it has dismantled some of its nuclear infrastructure. as well, kim jong-un continues to demonstrate openness to the denuclearization of the korean peninsula.
having said that, we assess north korea will seek to retain its wmd capabilities. it is unlikely to completely give up its nuclear weapon production capabilities because its leaders ultimately view nuclear weapons as critical to regime survival. our assessment is bolstered by our observations of some activity that is inconsistent with full denuclearization. while we assess that sanctions on exports have been effective and largely maintained, north korea seeks to mitigate the effects of the u.s. led pressure campaign through diplomatic engagement, counter pressure against the sanctions regime and direct sanctions of asian. host: -- sanctions evasion. host: that was dan coats speaking with congress. the president with the following two tweets basically saying that they are now on board, on the same page and that the comments by dan coats were taken out of context and again blaming the
fake news. the president often referring to fake news when there are stories he just doesn't like. guest: he is not wrong. we have seen the analysis by the pew research center that shows 99% of all media coverage is negative coverage about president trump. clearly this in administration has had many accomplishments. in the past two years they have accomplished a great amount of his promises. he is not wrong to call it out. we have never seen a president attacked like this by the media. he has the right to push back. maybe people don't like the language he uses but as someone who follows the news and tracks the news every day, i see the unfairness and they owe the president at least some fairness. when they can't even tell the truth about christmas decorations at the white house. they criticized him for eating clay fish. they said he said it the wrong way while visiting japan. they put spin on things that are so simple and get it wrong on
those types of stories. the job of the press is to hold government officials accountable, but they have a responsibility to also tell the truth. host: let's get your calls, dan is up in colorado. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i am a brick layer from colorado. i am hoping that the president will stand very tall with this wall. i would like to see him in this state of the union talk about what happened in 1986. two and a half million mexicans the king citizens -- became citizens. we are not caring about this. chuck schumer and nancy pelosi kicked it down the road. i think it is time for this to come to a head and i would like to see the president bring this stuff up.
it is fair for the country. host: thank you for the call. to his point and the other dynamics that will play -- take place tuesday night inside the house chamber, can you address that? guest: first of all, he is not wrong. the president owes the american people a wall and he is working on that. the dynamic, i did not answer -- understand that question. host: he is coming a week later. what do you think we will sense from democrats and republicans? guest: president trump is very forgiving. he will go in there with professionalism and a very optimistic tone to extend that olive branch even though we know the democrats are not going to work with him. we witness what happened over the negotiations with the shutdown. republicans kept trying to meet democrats in the middle. even with just a $5.7 billion for the wall, that is not the
$30 billion president trump wanted. this is a down payment. there have been discussions of a potential daca deal, which sounds like it is no longer on the table. i just think democrats do not want to see him when. going into the 2020 presidential race and there are 20 to 30 democrats running and they don't want to see president trump gets any wins -- get any wins. host: do you think vice president biden will jump in? guest: yes. host: let's go to our next caller with stephanie hamill, video reporter for the daily caller. caller: hello. first i wanted to thank c-span for this remarkable platform for freedoms -- for free speech. monday it will be five months since jamal khashoggi walked into the saudi embassy and
disappeared. i would like c-span to pick up this issue again. i want to say hello to your guest. how are you? guest: doing well. caller: something i wanted to say. think is ap, i failed businessman. when you keep at it so many bankruptcies, he could no longer get commercial loans in the united states and according to the new york times, he turned to as well as russian oligarch to wanted to launder money through trump casinos and properties. the one deal he could still make was to license his name, constantly promoting it as luxury but the opposite is true. he was forced to stop building because he was such a credit
risk. i say credit risk because you are going to give this guy, trust this guy to build a wall when he is such a credit risk. it turns out even his last resort lender does not want to lend any more money. it is not surprising. everything about donald trump is a fraud. the only question right now is with the fraudulence he laid bare while in office -- will that fraudulent's be laid bare while he is in office or after he leaves? host: we will get a response. guest: there is a lot to unpack. i think there are questions about jamal khashoggi and that definitely needs to be looked at. they need to be held accountable , even if it were people inside the government and not directed from the higher-ups. they still need to be held accountable.
i know that some of them are going to receive the death penalty or be jailed. we will see. he is not wrong, we should look into that. there are other brutal regimes in the world that also need to be held accountable. as for the trump business, i am not sure what he is talking about. host: bankruptcies over the years. guest: if you look at any successful business owner, a lot of people file for bankruptcy. it is not uncommon. i guess i will leave it there. host: this economic story from over the weekend, the headline of the washington post and a photograph of ralph northam. he says he is not in the photograph of a man depicted in blackface or someone in a kkk rope. what happened -- robe. what happens next? guest: i listened to his speech. videohe makes a apologizing for the picture. does not say which one he is.
after this somewhat tearful apology, the next day he comes out and says he is sure it was not him, yet it was on his yearbook page. he never had time to object to what was on that page? he claims he did not see it or own a yearbook. i think it is pretty shocking and kind of a fantastic story that none of his friends bother to let him know that there was a black face and kkk situation happening on his page. after he is now denying that is him, he says he admits that he had used troop -- shoe polish on his face and in the michael jackson moonwalk. he was a 25-year-old man in medical school. that is so bad, i am sorry. it is unforgivable. we are at a point in society where we have people on the left
saying that they know in their hearts the president trump is a racist. that they can read minds and hearts but when we have a democrat governor who has a picture, a very offensive picture on his yearbook, with a kkk costume and a man dressed in are kind ofd people putting it together, the mental gymnastics going on, luckily there are democratic leaders who are coming up against him. we saw some of the provincial candidates who were supporters northam earlier coming against him. there is no way he can survive this. we are at a point where just because you're a democrat does not mean you can survive something like this. if it were a republican, it would be armageddon. there is no way he can survive this, and he shouldn't.
we are living in 2019 and there is a new set of rules and even if you did something 30 years ago, if you are republican, that cannot be forgiven. i don't think northam is a racist, but we have a set of standards now and that is not acceptable and i think it is going to be a distraction for his community, his state. like he said in his speech, he led by example and has obviously shown he is not a racist and that he helps minority communities, and i believe that, but if it were a republican, he would've had to resign. host: many people thought the same thing, that the president tweeting out yesterday -- and let's be was his are public and challenger in 2017, the president writing he ran for governor in virginia against now beortham and must thinking malpractice and dereliction of duty. found that picture before the election, he would have won by 20 points. guest: it is amazing that he has
been in the political atmosphere for so long and this finally came out. of course this comes out after infanticidenside -- controversy. newsroom, it our was bickley politics that first reported this. we were wondering if it was real. and we looking at it don't just follow what other people post online, we have to get our own research. we were going to send a team to virginia to find the original yearbook but another news organization, a credible news organization did it. it was interesting to watch all of this. host: our conversation with stephanie hamill and joe is next from virginia. caller: good morning. i did my oh -- doing -- i did my own polling in the 2015 elections and i knew early on that donald trump was going to
win. polling, it was later hacked, onhat he was page 89 and 90. when i found out in my polling, people said that if donald trump does 1% of what he says he is going to do, or even attempts to , they will vote for him again. if you look at one of the other polls, the people who voted for 2012 are the and same people who voted for donald trump in 2016. donna brazil's book really confirmed all of this. this,joke, let me add to a number of the supporters of
senator bernie sanders in the primary in key states like ohio, pennsylvania, and elsewhere flipped in the general election. caller: bernie sanders people knew they were not going to vote for hillary. ok. host: we will get a response. thank you, by the way. isst: i guess the question if trump just delivers on 1%, he is going to win. he is not wrong. look at unemployment. it is not a story close. it benefits -- historic lows. hispanics, blacks, women spirit tax cuts, which house speaker pelosi refers to as crumbs. she does not understand that more tax cuts are better than increasing taxes, which is what running theirare
platforms on. more taxes, "are some of a lot for the american people, and keep in mind that the trump campaign is already up and going and is collaborating with the rnc, the republican national committee, and they have resources, and we have 20 to 30 democrats that will be , and meantime, president trump is not even going to have any other candidate. there will be no other primary candidate. host: you do not think he will have another primary challenger? guest: not supported by the rnc. john kasich is going to run a get 1% of a vote? come on. host: guest let me get your comt on what met lewis wrote for the daily beast. trump rested not on his character but on the fact that he said you would build a wall.
they never stop to think that the guy who can't others -- who conningthers might be them as well. republicans need to be patient, and president trump cannot do this by himself. it is an effort that needs to be assisted by republicans in congress. paul ryan did not follow through on his promise after president $3mp is signed off on that trillion spending bill. paul ryan was supposed to help with the wall. that does not happen. he is no longer there. is republicans are not serious about the wall or immigration or security enforcement, that people need to look at the republicans as well. coulture anbnn and others who criticized the president, these are not people in the trunk republican party. some of them are just looking for attention, media attention to get their faces out there. host: our guest is stephanie
hamill. people can follow you on twitter at -- guest: stephmhamill. host: and also at the daily caller. we welcome viewers in london, including brendan. good morning. caller: good morning. it is a lovely day in london. host: we are glad to hear from you. sent some of the nice weather here. caller: regarding that lady, why do we need to make up stories about president trump? because the truth is enough to condemn him. parts, hebout private made a stupid mistake some years ago. your president have a lot more to answer for. your defense of him, during the war, there was a guy who defended the nazis. you have crossed the border with some of the statements you have made today in defending president bush.
defend him you may come up but do not define what he has done wrong. host: you said president bush twice, i assume you mean president trump. caller: my apologies. my apologies to the bush family. host: we will get a response. guest: wow. president trump not invited to europe, that is a little intolerant, isn't it? president trump is not the person we knew about his background in a little but about him before he ran. we supported him because of his promises and his ideas for the nation, which is america first, something we had not heard in a long time. we had a president, barack obama, who was running around the world stage, apologizing for america. patriotic, so it was refreshing to hear someone like president trump go out there and say he will be for this country, and he has done that. we have seen what he has done on
the world stage. it will be uncomfortable. other leaders have been accustomed to taking advantage of america and other resources, other countries around the world, so it is time for them to pay their fair share. it is not going to be easy, because you get enemies on both sides. host: one more call in a final question. richard from alliance, nebraska. good morning. caller: good morning. i just want to know, we have been running after the governor so hot and heavy about racism and all of this and that, and the republicans brought it up to start with, and the president has been more racist than the governor has ever been turned that is what i got. guest: i have never seen president trump in a kkk outfit or blackface. this is a narrative put together by the liberal establishment media. as a minority, i would never support a racist. there is no evidence to support that he is racist.
he wants tot enforce our immigration laws, that are pretty much already on the books, that is not racist. it is not about your skin color, religion, any of that stuff. it is about our country being a sovereign nation, and we have laws. the most i guess generous nations when it comes to giving out green cards and inviting people from around the -- and i justly don't understand why people continue to call him racist, because he is not cured we should be outraged by these photos. i'm surprised that the caller has downplayed what he has seen. that is disappointing. host: the results of the mueller report, which should be out in the next couple of months, couple of weeks, we don't know. what do you think the outcome will be for the president? guest: based on what we have seen, which is the people who have gotten in trouble in the trunk orbit, have not gotten in trouble for any sort of collusion with the russians.
have seen is that special counsel robert mueller has been investigating people, looking for crimes. these people who have gotten in trouble for taxes and lighting and all of these things but nothing to do with the trump campaign collusion with the russians. so based on that, i do not think they are going to, the democrats are not going to get what they want. i do not think they will fight any sort of collusion. we have seen two stories recently debunked by the media. the story suggesting michael formerdonald trump's attorney, was instructed to lie about a deal that was happening in russia. to bethat turned out false, so much so that special counsel robert mueller had to come out and speak out about it, but h they still stand by -- it. but it's still stands by their story, of course. a bunch of people were laid off, though. in 2016, ofd caller
our speculating that was ordering donald trump junior and what have you to meet with them. it actually turned out to be two of donald trump, jr.'s associates from nascar. think we will find out much. i hope it comes to a close, because it has been a distraction for this nation. it has cost over $30 million, and it is so divisive. hamill, a video call miss for the daily caller, thank you very much for being with us. guest: thanks for having me. host: come back again. guest: anytime. host: we turn our attention to venezuela, and is just a moment will be the former u.s. ambassador to venezuela, patrick duddy. we will also hear from a "new york times" reporter on where things stand in caracas. you are watching and listening to "washington journal" on this
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president maduro pour into the streets." anna, thank you so much for being with us. guest: hi, thank you for having me. host: based on your reporting and what we have seen, another round of demonstrations in the streets of caracas. where does this put the situation right now? caller: well, it is very complicated. we do not know what is going to happen next, but right now they have basically two governments. we are facing the government guaido andjuan hundreds of thousands of people are calling three articles of the cost of vision, and not because they have been recognized before the election, so according to the constitution and how to solve the situation, and another time would be the
supreme court, the one who resolve this, but since the supreme court dealt with maduro loyalists, they activated three of the constitution articles to make this happen. we have supporters of the government nicolas maduro for face that strong gained power over the past 20 years regime that started with hugo chavez. they cannot afford to lose that. as simple as may be many see it could happen, because this is a government that controls basically every single aspect of venezuelans' lives. amount of power in a moment where the international community escalated the entire level of government is very complicated.
so right now, the situation is very tense. the struggle between the government's party and the opposition and the government. host: you write in the "new york times" that it is now at a tipping point. we are looking at the pictures of demonstrations across the country, as well as the poverty and the high inflation rate. how is all of that coming together in terms of where the leadership will move, how long president maduro can stay in power, and the opposition as it continues to grow against his leadership? opposition ishe moving towards that direction. they think it is not going to take very long. you,urse, as i am telling this is not have to do with nicolas maduro giving away power. thousandsdo with the of different phases inside of the government itself, explains
why this can be resolved so easily. and about poverty and hyperinflation, we are talking about hyperinflation here of 10,000,000%. theory the projection that basically means prices change every single day. it is not. it is every four or five hours that we find prices changing or the minimum wage. month and maybe a can of -- one can. $7, $8 it is basically impossible to survive, and it has pushed millions, 3 million people fled the country to latin america, to europe. have -- around more than 100 countries right now. the situation can be taken any longer.
i remember yesterday we were talking to one of the protesters, and it was a nun, and she told me we have been facing this for so long that we have nothing to lose. family telling me my left the country, i am here all alone. i work, and we have nothing to feed the children. so that is basically the same reality for the rest of the protesters. they have nothing else to lose. host: i want to ask about you personally, as someone covering abouttory, you talk inflation, shelves that do not have the basics of food and other essentials, how are you surviving? how are others trying to cover the story dealing with all of this? guest: that is the word, everybody has learned to survive. it is like you develop this kind of -- i don't know. the easy way, you always find to work yourself through
a situation, because if not, you know, for sure, something worse can happen. for example, my case is not really the case. i am really unfortunate. -- i am really fortunate. for an international newspaper. of course i have to deal with the same thing, but it is not really the majority of the population. , $10 aople earn only $6 month, living in very poor conditions. they do not have hot water. that is the situation. even right now, even with money, a new job, i don't know, maybe a house, you do not get to live a regular life. for example, i get water only 30 minutes a day every day. some places in the interior of the country get water one day for 20 minutes every two or three weeks. imagine living without water for three weeks.
the people have to spend whatever they have in their water so they can get the water that they need. it is not enough. it means that at one time of the day, you need to stop whatever you are doing to go quickly to your house to try to get water to survive the day or the week. this is only one simple example. is even a flu, and can be veryach ache complicated. if you get to a hospital, chances are that you do not make it. host: we're talking with anna vanessa herrero. i want to talk about a story breaking from reuters, 20 out that at least one general has announced that it is time for president maduro to resign. is this a crack among the military leadership in the country? this has been happening, not like that. not people coming out.
this has been comin having happg for a long time. military forces are divided. officials, a lot of things control businesses. businesses, they are accused of being involved in illegal activities. and the troops have to suffer the consequences. are soldiers that only eat one meal or have to share with the family. ones the the opposition wants to get the attention. they are telling them this is not how you have to live. the military has to be respected again. you do not have to be suffering in poverty.
there is something better. and the high-ranking officials, not everyone, according to the opposition, the defense minister sendhe rest, is not really the troops. so this kind of reaction is something that juan guaidó himself said would happen, and some experts say that there are other people in side of the military who will be upset thatwhat is happening, they feel comfort with the back of the international community for the first time is actually movementg some kind of against nicolas maduro. debating oney are the constitution, what the constitution says. some of them, they are activating constitutional articles, but others, they really think this is happening. confusion is out of the
military right now. happen.king this host: ana vanessa herrero, she is the caracas bureau chief for the "new york times," joining us on the sunday theater work available on nytimes.com, also in today's newspaper. thank you for being with us. guest: thank you so much for having me. host: joining us from durham, north carolina is patrick duddy. served as the u.s. ambassador to venezuela. thank you for joining us here on c-span. let me begin with the sanctions announced by the trump administration this past week. what impact will they have on the maduro government? well, the intention of the sanctions is to limit the the madurolars into administration.
the sanctions this week focus particularly on the state oil company. now, income from oil has plummeted in recent years, but it remains the single most foreignt source of exchange earnings for the government and largely underwrites the government's budget. host: the opposition leader and the support that he continues to have, tell us a little bit about one quite oh. who is he, and what does he bring to the venezuelan government? was recentlyuaidó elected president of the national legislature, the sole remaining democratically elected body in the country. when, according to the venezuelan constitution, the of the republic is either vacant, or there has been
an attempt to usurp the presidency, the constitution provides that the president -- the legislature should become the interim president until elections can be held. and this is precisely where juan guaidó is. add to that the significance of his emergence and the widespread recognition of his legitimacy is really critical. in 2017, thered were massive demonstrations all over venezuela. thosed contend that demonstrations, those efforts to change the reality on the ground and either enforce new elections or push majuro outfield principally because there was no single figure around which the opposition rally, and there was international
support. the rest of the world is not quite know what to make about the government. obviously that has now changed. most of latin america has recognized president good morning. -- the united states, canada, etc. importantly, virtually everyone in the opposition and venezuela has recognized his legitimacy. the most recent polling suggests that public support for guaidó has surged to something like 84%, while support for the regime of nicolas maduro has crashed to under 5%. host: does the u.s. send any troops into the region? guest: i do not think we are going to either send troops or
contemplate intervening militarily. at the moment, according to john bolton, we are already beginning to shift humanitarian assistance. forink largely the stage distribution in columbia, you part the most heartrending i think for many people is the thenitarian crisis inside country, and that has precipitated the immigration problem in the region. is truly something unprecedented in latin american history in 100 years. host: of course president maduro was preceded by president hugo chavez, who died of cancer. i am wondering if you can give us a brief history of the
relationship or lack thereof between the united states and venezuela over the last two decades. callerguest: well, it has been very difficult. i was actually expelled from the president as persona non grata on december 11 of 2008. when i was serving as president bush's ambassador. i returned some months later as president obama's ambassador. the relationship with hugo chavez was bad from the first and became toxic. he typically referred to the united states as "the empire," and sometimes as "the enemy," and it became a fundamental tenet of his political style but also the philosophy of his movement that the united states was in fact mostly to blame for the problems of the country, and
in particular, when various projects undertaken by the chavez government began to falter. you know, in fact, one of the things that i think is key to remember in the current crisis venezuela's for failure were planted by hugo chavez. ultimately, his decision to effectively dismantled the private sector, stop the economy, and if this rated the productive sectors of the country. to a long time, it was hard see just how much damage his approach had done, because it was skyhigh oil prices. began to lose ground, and some of the more unsustainable aspects of their program ran into trouble, circumstances inside of the country became much more acute. host: our guest is ambassador patrick duddy.
he is joining us from durham, north carolina, on the campus of duke university. our fine lines are open at (202) 748-8000. that is the line for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. and i independents, (202) 748-8002. you can follow us on social media, send us a tweet @cspanwj or on facebook at facebook.com/cspan. i want to share with you the current dni director, director of national intelligence, dan coats, told a senate committee this week about the situation in venezuela. [video clip] dir. coats: it is a very tenuous situation right now, as you know. we have taken steps to recognize the opposition as the legitimate president of venezuela. yesterday, the treasury sanctions announced against a venezuelan oil company, their major company that we do business with here also. so steps are being taken, and we
have a lot of support from a lot of allies. as i said, it is a very fluid situation but i think, be successfully resolved with the support of the venezuelan people. host: those comments by dan coats this past week. the full hearing on our website, c-span.org. let's go to your phone calls. jeff is joining us here in washington, d.c. good morning. caller: good morning. host: jeff, go ahead. please. yes, you are on the air. fake government of venezuela that our government supports is totally illegitimate. nobody legitimate appointed as government. they are taking venezuela down the path of -- how dare our government back a sitting more in venezuela? host: we will get a response, ambassador duddy? guest: well, the government of nicolas maduro essentially lost
legitimacy on january 10, when included.andate the reelection, supposing maduroion, of nicolas last may was widely discredited around the whole world. the developments of the last few weeks are, i think, an inevitable evolution of the realization that maduro has simply undermined venezuela's democracy in attempts to seize power illegitimately. the united states in recognizing mr. guaidó in fact simply confirmed what was in the venezuelan constitution. host: this headline from the "new york times," as those who oppose president maduro pour into the streets of
, as someone who knows venezuela and the capital city, how significant is this? this is tremendously significant, and part of the significance to rise from the fact that the demonstrations now ,nclude people from all classes for much of the chavez-maduro era, the poorest of the poor tended to support the government, notwithstanding its many shortcomings. notwithstanding those either working for the government or those who depend exclusively on the government for support are manifesting unhappiness with the maduro regime. host: our guest, ambassador duddy, teaches at duke university answers at the center for latin american and caribbean study.
marcell is joining us from texas. good morning. caller:caller: i want to ask you a good morning. favor, turn the volume down on your television set host:, so we can hear you a lot better. caller: ok. good morning. host: go ahead. you are on the air. go ahead. yes, i just want to make a comment where we are in the world today. what i'm seeing is people not having enough love and to one another and pointing his fingers at each other for the blame game. unable to follow leadership, you know. we have leaders, but leaders need followers. host: thanks for the call. ambassador duddy. think one ofow, i
the things that is so interesting about the current moment is that much of latin , there is a long tradition of noninterference in the internal affairs of other nations, but i think there is currently just a wave of sympathy for the suffering of the venezuelan people. much of latin america has been stunned by the developments over the last few years. of the richestne countries in the hemisphere. world's largest reserves of oil in the area. and to see people go hungry, to shelves, store colonies of people crossing on foot into columbia i think has really shaken the hemisphere. group knownult, a thate group from lima,
represents most of the countries of south america, in particular, and some of the other parts of the region have all come out strongly in favor of mr. guaidó, and the european union similarly has called on maduro to fix the riskfor new elections or full delegitimization from their point of view is well. and the european parliament has already recognized guaidó. what does all of this mean? well, it means that the world has been made aware of what is happening there. just how unprecedented it is and shocking and is determined to see it change. host: this headline from a couple of months ago, back in november, and my guess is the number has increased, but 3 million venezuelan residents fleeing their country, according to a you and estimate. how many people live in venezuela today? guest: there are probably just
around 30 million. that number suggests that about 10% of the population has left. i would -- i think it may well be worse than that, because we have also been made aware that there was a population of colombians who had fled the guerrilla war in colombia who may well be returning to columbia, because the circumstances in venezuela are so bad. go ahead. host: let's go to michael in randallstown, maryland. good morning. caller: good morning to you both. first, i must say i am glad to see you back on the air. i was going through c-span withdrawal the other morning. that a ridiculously were flownold bars
out of venezuela by the russians. can you help me understand what that's all about? -- i guess weg is will call him the current president. host: ok, we will get a response on both fronts. ambassador duddy, maybe explain the relationship between the current venezuelan government and russia. guest: ok. in the first instance, to take the first part of the question, it was widely reported that the maduro regime was going to try to shift gold to a bank in the middle east. probably that gold was going to planensported on a belonging to a russian company. the maduro government wanted to
swap the gold, reportedly, for euros. that is because they have a cash crisis, and venezuela's own currency, under the maduro, has completely collapsed. additionally, they are severeating an even more cash shortage as u.s. sanctions kick in. werehe russians initially largely in the business of selling weapons to venezuela, but more recently they have become active in the petroleum sector as well and have provided some loans. areough in fact the chinese probably in his weightless principal creditors -- probably venezuela's principal creditors. host: let's get back to our calls. good morning. caller: good morning.
i have a quick comment. isn't it hypocritical for us to be intervening in venezuela when we do not want russia intervening in our elections? we should just stand back and let them take care of their president themselves. host: ambassador duddy? u.s. has beenhe playing a leading role, but we are really part of a hemispheric, even a global effort to try to restore democracy. this is not a u.s. intervention. which was 13p, countries, including colombia, peru, ecuador, argentina, chile, saidl, etc., they all pretty unambiguously many months ago that the last presidential
thations were a fraud and venezuelan democratic institutions were being dismantled by the maduro regime. now, our recognition of president guaidó, arguably, presented a cascade of other governments recognizing the new interim government, but it was not really an intervention. the on all of that, all of the countries in the area, except , has signed an inter-american democratic charter, all alighting on the side of sustaining and trying to consolidate democracy in the region. host: we welcome our viewers on the bbc parliament channel and elsewhere outside the united
states. the number is (202) 748-8003 if you want to join in on the conversation. our guest is patrick duddy, join us on the campus of duke university, currently serving as a director for the center of latin american and caribbean studies. venezuela, during your time at the state department, where else were you stationed? inst: i worked in chile the early 80's. republic,he dominican costa rica, paraguay, panama, bolivia, brazil, twice in venezuela, and a deputy assistant secretary of state, i traveled frequently to the caribbean region and especially to haiti after the coup that of theor the fall aristide government. host: and for the purposes of this conversation, service the ambassador of venezuela from 2007 to 2010. i am sorry, go ahead,
ambassador. guest: that is right, with a period in washington after i had been expelled. i confess i never really thought i would be going back after my first experience there. reportedly, no one ever had returned to a country as ambassador after having been declared persona non grata, so that was a bit of a surprise. but i did in fact return and complete my original assignment there. hmed: we go to a joining us from sterling, virginia. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. we went to el salvador, and there were a lot of people coming to this country. we say we were going to help that country. we brought a lot of refugees, then we complain about what has happened in el salvador. we want iraq. we say we are going to bring them democracy. what we did was chaos.
we went to libya. when will we understand that enough is enough? those people, their government, they are standing against their government. we need to stay away from the problem and the people they have. we can sanction them, we can do whatever we need to do, but by supporting a young guy who does not know what he is doing, that does not solve the problem in venezuela. venezuela is more than standing up. at the same time, we might say that we are going to support you economically. i guarantee once maduro is done, we are not going to support them democratically, and we will not provide a political fight, we will abandon the country. america, we are a great country, but we need to stop the
lipservice. we're not doing anything. we tell them we will support you, and then we leave them alone. syria, iraq, libya, yemen -- we are not helping anybody. host: thank you for the call. ambassador duddy. guest: well, there is a lot of territory to cover their. re. thelet me say first one of things that make the current situation in venezuela so unique is the scope of the resistance to the maduro regime, the de facto government. it is also clear that we and the rest of the hemisphere became more focused and when the problems internally in venezuela began to metamorphose into an unprecedented refugee crisis.
essentially, what we have been talking about here is that venezuela is really a failing is not a failed state. basic services have effectively collapsed. the money is worthless. food and medicine is in short supply. oil production has dropped from over three point 2 million barrels a day when chavez was elected, 20 under one one 2 million barrels a day. . . 1.2 million barrels a day. overow that it can bleed into neighboring areas. another port some of the internal problems of a failing or failed state are typically not going to be contained by that state, and that is precisely what has happened in south america with the migration or refugee crisis.
there are over one million refugees at least in colombia but also apparently more than 400,000 in ecuador. i have read that over 600,000 people have arrived in peru. there are tens of thousands in brazil, in chile, in argentina. while remaining aloof from the problem may seem like an attractive option, the region is in fact dealing with something deepcedented, and we have relations with the region. we have commitments to the region. we have trade with the region. and i think it was -- it would really be virtually impossible for the united states not to be involved, in part because we are the largest market for venezuela's oil.
there have been in recent months a real sense that we needed to the being complicit in maduro dictatorship. you talked about russia. what other countries right now are siding with president maduro? who are his allies, and how strong is their support? guest: well, the other significant external player is china. cuba, the region, nicaragua, and possibly one or two of the small caribbean nations have explicitly cited with maduro. -- sided with maduro. mexico, since the inauguration obrador, haslopez
said that it intends to return and byre democracy, inviting nicolas maduro to his own inauguration. let's go to sarah joining us from cornwall, england on the bbc parliament channel. we have heard it is nice in england. go ahead with your question. caller: hello. just to the last point about we have of refugees, seen with the fall of libya, the terrible outflows of refugees. i am from syria. before you think about building democracy to yet another country, you need to think about -- don't you have problems already with the outflows of people? it will be nothing compared to
if we have another civil war, yet another civil war in latin america, yet another dictator, and 81% of people have not even heard of lot quando -- of juan guaidó. yet another puppet run out, educated at george washington, son of a military family. we have seen this before. america has appointed 72 dictatorships in the greater region and the last 50 years. i think you need to think about in yourcy perhaps own country first, the way politics has been overrun by huge money and politics, gerrymandering, the disenfranchisement of the poor and the blacks. perhaps you might need to think about getting voting rights in your own country and democracy right in your own country before you start filling the bucket everywhere else. thanks. host: thank you, sarah. ambassador duddy. taking the first
and most substantive part of her objection to the u.s. foreign-policy at the moment, most of the organizations which are alreadye flows predicting that unless things change, the flow of refugees out of venezuela is going to become i think theand countries of the united states and the european union are hoping to prevent a civil war, of that. because this is an interesting moment. i say that in part because of the criticism that has been ateled in so many spheres our own government, but i think that there is a considerable basis for support within the united states both on the
republican and the democratic side, that we should be on the and thedemocracy survival of democracy in venezuela. impression is that the administration is coordinating very closely with the rest of the region. explicitly, people want to prevent things from getting worse. host: florida senator rick scott, who is appearing right now on nbc's "meet the press," and this from choctaw tweeting out a short time ago, he asked if maduroott -- believes military intervention is an option, then i think he will hopefully step aside. he then asked should president trump be more aggressive and threatening the use of force? this from senator scott -- "i think they have been very clear that everything is on the table." your reaction. guest: i think everything is on
the table. it is not the military intervention is likely come much less imminent. but the president and the white consistentbeen very that all options could be considered. i think the most urgent matters, however, flow from the political challenges of trying to help president guaidó began to a control of authorities of his office, and then to get humanitarian assistance into the country. host: larry is joining us from burnsville, minnesota. good morning, larry. caller: good morning. my question concerns the monroe doctrine, and if that should take effect in this case. host: thank you. guest: i could not hear the question. host: the question is whether or not the monroe doctrine would
take effect. , the monroe doctrine does not really apply in a case like this, and moreover, to some degree, has been overtaken by historical events. we are not see -- certainly venezuela has the support, at least at this point, of russia and china, though i would question whether their support, that is for the maduro administration or regime, i would question whether their support is really unconditional. what we are seeing in venezuela is a different sort of practice. it is a disaster that has been brought on the country by its own administration, and what we the seen is that as project, or as they call it 21st ,entury socialism, has failed
as oil production has dropped, authoritarianism has spiked. right? we know is that at least to this point, the chavez-maduro ta movementhe chavis has been determined to hold onto power, and if necessary, subvert the government institutions, the political institutions of the country in order to do so. but this is really an internal problem. this has not been precipitated by the involvement of exterior forces. nor has this surge in support for the opposition is precipitated by us or anyone else in the region. host: since this came up from a viewer, this is from the encyclopaedia britannica, the monroe doctrine, there are four
fundamental principles for together by james monroe. number one, the u.s. will not interfere in wars between european powers. the u.s. recognized and would not interfere with existing colonies and policies in the western hemisphere. number three, the western hemisphere was close to future colonization. a number four, any attempt by oropean power to oppress control any nation in the western hemisphere would be viewed as hostile against the united states. let's go to james. thank you for waiting. good morning. caller: good morning. first, thank you to c-span, and thank you to the ambassador. i have a comment and a question. my first comment is obviously i think sarah and cornwall should spend more time in the united states because i do not think we are as dysfunctional as she wiped assume -- might assume versus english. first, with the monroe doctrine and the intervention of teddy
roosevelt, obviously i think venezuela is our backyard. colombia, peru, and i saw that columbia has been transformed, and now they are at-risk of going back into maybe old ways. the first question is -- where is the goal today? -- goald today? or do we know? because without the hard currency, the humanitarian crisis will just escalate. theast question for investor is given the crisis around the world and in our country, everyone assumes that the light will stay on and electricity is endless. technology,t electronic surveillance, drones, and we have this faith in technology. if the power goes on, there is no defense, which is why a physical barrier, i believe, is
part of a holistic solution. it is not a cure-all or a panacea, but it is just one more barrier. it is not 100%. what are his comments about that, because when the lights go out, we are all basically vulnerable. thank you, ambassador. host: thank you. i appreciate the call. guest: well, um, where to start? i have written in the past about our own problem with undocumented migrants or "illegal aliens," as they are declared by u.s. law. is that central to any long-term solution to the problems here is a real commitment to help the countries themselves to change the reality in the countries that are generating the greatest numbers of migrants.
it is possible, perhaps even a barrier of one sort or another could be helpful, but they are by no means a solution to the problem, and i think that we need to understand that if we really wish to address this effectively, we need to make some long-term commitments. america, i think there are a number of extraordinary success stories. columbia is certainly one of the. peru is another. been doing very well for more than 20 years. and other countries have also done very, very well. what is happening in venezuela is really an outlier, and there are those who would suggest that
we are seeing the same erosion of democracy were a very similar erosion of democracy in nicaragua, for instance, which as, purportedly, as many 60,000 citizens have fled to costa rica. we have also seen a pretty curious set of developments in bolivia, where there was a referendum on whether the permitted tould be seek reelection for a third term. rejected byas president evo morales has nevertheless appealed that decision and is going to run with the blessing of the supreme court jury i would say that the three countries taken together, venezuela, nicaragua, and bolivia, however, are
outliers, and the biggest story in latin america, notwithstanding many problems, is that there are examples of real success, and these success povertyinclude reduction as well as democratic consolidation. me thankthat note, let ambassador patrick duddy, who serves currently have the director for the center of latin america and caribbean studies, on ambassador for the from 2007 to 2010. ambassador, thank you for being with us. one last week i want to share with you from senator marco rubio, who said "venezuela is hungry and in need of food and medicine. military leaders will have to decide if they will help get the aid to the people or follow and block it.s
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