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signed on to the castro resolution already. there will be some republican support. we will be looking to see if in either chamber we can get near the two thirds, 67 votes in the senate to overcome a presidential veto because president trump has said 100% he will veto this. flax is there a likelihood this could pass? this is not posturing or holding a vote for political considerations. this does not seem to be completely a show vote. there is a prospect this could pass. there is significant frustration from senators in both parties over this emergency declaration
and doing an end run around the appropriations committee. i don't know that we are going to see lawmakers get near the two thirds margin. >> we will keep following you. .ou reporting at rollcall.com >> the 70th annual journalism awards were announced at the national press club. firstthe winners was the podcast recipient. after the announcement, the talked about the importance of the press. this is just under one hour. >> good morning, everyone, and welcome to the announcement of the george polk winners. i am privileged to be the president of long island
university. this is our second year hosting this wonderful event in the first amendment lounge of the national press club. it is the 70th anniversary of the founding of this award. long island university created our journalism award in 1949 to carry on george polk's legacy of relentlessly pursuing truth. it has recognized original and impactful and thought-provoking work by journalists across locations met mediums, and topics over the last 70 years. i am immensely proud of how this award has remained relevant despite an ever changing landscape. it is for this reason for the men and women who painstakingly -- journalism awards in the country. it is fitting that a ceremony for an award in remembrance of george polk has held at the national club.
the ideas were made to plane that democracy can only exist with a free and unfettered press. stunning events, advances in technology, instant access to information and a new cycle to seek truth is more vital than ever. this year's winners like the distinguished winners who [inaudible] eliminating even the most [inaudible] corner of the world. and our esteemed panel of advisors for their tireless work in reviewing all the submissions. i also want to recognize our long time new york times reporter and a pulitzer award and two-time winner. the list of polk awards winners reads like a who's who of the 20th and 21st century journalism. edward r. murrow, walter cronkite, woodward, and carl bernstein, norman mailer,
peter jennings, diane sawyer. john darden and all who have had this distinguished honor. today they will be joined by others who have carried on their tradition of journalistic excellence. i would now like to introduce the distinguished curator, the polk award winner, journalist john darden. [applause] john: thank you very much, dr. cline, and welcome to all of you. i am pleased to announce the winners of the george polk awards in journalism for work done in 2018. they were selected by our judges from among 554 submissions. in foreign reporting, the award
goes to reuters for uncovering the massacre of villagers in myanmar. national reporting to the staff of the new york times for revealing how social media giants maximized profits to see the public, disseminated false reports and allowed the raw data of their users to be exploited for commercial purposes. state reporting to jeff abelson, gordon russell, john zimmerman, and the staff of the advocate for showing how a louisiana law allowing nonunanimous jury verdicts resulted in a disproportionately high conviction rate for african americans. local reporting to kathleen
mcgory and the tampa bay times for decorating blunders in heart surgery that led to a high amount of children's death that it was tedious local hospital. -- at a prestigious local hospital. political reporting, to david barstow, suzanne craig, and russ of the new york times for an investigation that established president trump's wealth was founded in an inheritance from his father, not in his own business acumen. medical reporting to amy hurding for a netflix documentary that expose the harm caused by him planted medical devices subject to minimal fda scrutiny. justice reporting, to julie k brown of the miami herald.
for revealing how a florida federal prosecutor, now a member of the president's cabinet, arranged a light sentence for a wealthy sexual predator who victimized scores of underage girls. immigration reporting, to the staff of propublica for capturing the emotional trauma of children separated from their relatives in the administration's zero-tolerance immigration policy. education reporting to craig harris, ann ryman, and justice price of the arizona republic for exposing insider deals, no-bid contracts, and political chicanery in arizona's charter schools. environmental reporting to larry price and contribute reporters for undark magazine for photo
entries from around the world that illustrate the deadly effects of particulate pollutants. magazine reporting to ben traub of the new yorker or justice meted out as revenge against sunni survivors of isis controlled territories in iraq. foreign television reporting to jane ferguson of pbs newshour. for documenting the ravages of famine and disease in rebel held northern yemen. local television reporting to joe bruno of wsoc in charlotte, north carolina for reports amassing evidence of ballot fraud in a congressional election. podcast reporting to madeleine
barrett and samara freed mark of apm reports for in the dark, season two on-air reports that cast doubt on the conviction of a death row inmate in mississippi. special award to david ignatius and karen of the washington post for their campaigns demanding that saudi arabia be held accountable for the murder of colleague.ie -- and finally, the career award to bill semery, for her moaning quality news and commentary in -- for promoting quality news and commentary in public radio. we are pleased we will be able to have a news discussion.
this award for in the dark season two was the first we have ever given to a podcast and i think it marks the growing influence in radio and podcasts and radio programming in general in our daily news diet. that will be the same of today's talk, the talk is the power of sound and journalistic renaissance. margaret sullivan, the media columnist for the washington post, will talk with bill, our new george polk career laureate who is instrumental in the founding of npr and with madeleine baron, the reporter of the george polk winning podcast and sarah gonzales who is the host and reporter of npr's podcast planet money. would you please come and we have about 45 minutes for
discussion, there will be some q&a afterwards. and that will do it. thank you very much. >> thank you very much and congratulations to the polk award winners, it this is a great day to celebrate this outstanding journalism and congratulations to madeleine, wonderful news, and certainly breaking a barrier with the first podcast being recognized as the polk award winner. we have a great panel here and we will he talking about the influence of sound in journalism in different spheres but i would like to start with madeleine. why don't you tell us a little bit about season two of in the dark, how you arrived at the story and how you reported it, one thing i have learned about it is that madeleine and some of her team went and lived in
mississippi for a year in order to do this reporting. take us through little bit of it. >> this story began with an email from a woman who's never contacted me, there is a man named curtis flowers, he has been tried six times for the same crime. she said he did not have a chance. that is when the first time i have heard of curtis flowers, we are a national investigative team and what stood out to me right away was the fact he had been tried six times to my -- i thought that cannot possibly be true. it is one of these tips that when you look at it it turns out to be something else. but it was true, he was tried six times. how can that happen, what is going on in this case and what season two became was not a story of a crime or a story of a wrongful conviction but a story of a prosecutor who continually tried the same man over and over again even when the higher courts reviewed curtis's case,
overturned his conviction, said the prosecutor had broken the u.s. constitution, the case kept going. we thought it raised questions about accountability. that was really important for us. if we were going to do this story as investigative reporters, we had to move in. we were fortunate enough to work at a company that allowed us to do that. we moved there and needed every bit of time. first we said three months, four months, five months, and it kept him him growing. >> because we are going to be talking on this panel about the influence of sound in this kind
of reporting and as a journalistic tool, how did sound -- how was sound important in this podcast? how has that influenced your work? >> we only get to hear it, right? there is no written version of the script that you get to see. that's one of the most important things. we worked very closely with the senior producer here today. she plays a critical role in shaping the sound. she is responsible for shaping the sound of the podcast. we want to take people into this world. not just the world of mississippi, but the world of forensic science, the world of these records piling up in these old jails and everywhere else we found them and show people how difficult that information can be to get, especially important information. we wanted to do a combination of traditional investigative reporting with more audiobook techniques to bring people in. >> fantastic stuff. you are a pioneer of a public
radio, one of the founding board members of national public radio, and perhaps the founder of "all things considered." would you please talked was a little bit about the beginnings of this, what your original vision was, and how you think it is being fulfilled today? >> i know that is a big subject. i will ask you to be somewhat to succinct. it's an important topic could probably talk about forever. i was asked to write the mission statement for npr. i will read that. i was trying to differentiate npr, which was a brand-new connection service. we had education radio before. so i was trying to differentiate
from the old educational radio, from commercial radio, from pbs to capitalize on the strength of radio. it was aspirational and i thought some core foundational values. i wrote that national public radio will serve the individual. it will promote personal growth and regard individual differences with respect and joy, rather than derision and hate. it will celebrate human experience as intermittently varied.
it will encourage a sense of active, constructive participation, rather than apathetic helplessness. for the editorial approach in "all things considered," i said it would not substitute superficial blandness for genuine diversity of regents, values, and culture and ethnic minorities which comprise american society. we would speak with many voices and many dialects. the editorial attitudes, curiosity, concern for the quality of life, problem-solving. a list i rely on as a source of information as having listened and the attitude toward the environment and themselves. listeners should feel that the time spent with npr was among their most rewarding in media contact. national public radio will not regard its audience as a market or in terms of disposable
income, but as curious, complex individuals looking for some understanding, meaning, and joy with the human experience. >> that is a pretty good mission statement. how has it done? >> it has done well. i think it is regarded as one of the most important sources of information. now morning edition is the most listened to public radio program in america and "all things considered" is the second most listened to. so npr, months would reach 105 million people. that is listening on various forms. it is doing well.
in the beginning, maybe people thought that was a little presumptuous to imagine that. >> it is good to aim high. >> it is. the people with whom i have had the privilege of working, they made that come alive. they are the ones that really deserve the credit for all of this. >> good. thank you. sarah, you have worked in public radio for a number of years and are at "planet money" which is a popular podcast and when you talk about influence of sound and the importance of sound we were chatting before we got started here and you talked about a particular story you had done in which you went to jamaica to do a story about sand. tell us about that and how the sound mattered. >> one of the first stories i did was how the world is running out of sand, one of the main
ingredients in concrete, glass, and silicon, which powers all of our electronics. people are stealing sand, killing for it. it is a really big problem. "planet money" was like where does this happen? and it was a time a decade ago, a beach in jamaica was stolen in the dead of the night. people woke up to an entire beach in jamaica gone. a white, powdery sand beach, which is like their moneymaker, that white sand. i went down to this beach that had been stone because we -- stolen because we decided that you can't tell the story of how the world is running out of sand and people stealing it without going to the place where it first came on our radar.
once this beach was stolen the united nations started paying attention to sand theft. we followed a really important case. there was a helicopter, sand detectives, people knocking on peoples doors, we have a warrant for your sand. we need to collect some samples to make sure you are not the people who sprinkled white, powdery sand over this black sand. there were death threats involved. it became a story about, you know, it was a larger story about the world running out of a really important resource and what the solutions are. you are also placed in a place on a beach in jamaica with the people who were really protective of their sand, because everybody tries to steal it.
people try to buy jamaican sand to replenish beaches in other countries in other parts of the world. you could hear the sand as weird as that might sound, but sand has a sound, the water hitting the send and the rocks. it just transported you to a place. without us being there it would be a bland story. >> you do that story from a studio, it would not be the same story. >> you could tell the story but what sets "planet money" apart from other podcasts is we think of ourselves as the people who go to the place where the thing is happening. we can do that which is a privilege. >> bringing this back around to what npr does now, how important is it for correspondents and reporters and on air
personalities to go to places? is that a key part of the mission of npr and public radio to be there? >> right, to get out of the studio. primary sources. radio is this wonderful, evocative medium. there is so much that comes through. i think we have more common with print then television. we tend to be a little introverted, generally. >> you have to bring your imagination. >> we can work on our own. the imagination, you don't have the distracting pictures, in some cases. you just have the human voice. it is so very expressive. all things considered happen to be on may 3, 1971, which was the largest antiwar demonstration, and we had a same-day documentary on that.
>> looking back over a long career in public radio, what are -- what is -- you know, you mention this antiwar demonstration, and that certainly brings up all sorts of sounds of being there. what else comes to mind in terms of a standout example of sound being a great way to tell the story? >> i think most of the documentaries really do that. i originally envisioned the second half-hour of "all things considered" would be a place for documentaries. there are so many examples. >> tell us about one that comes to mind. >> there is just one. david greene went to north dakota and was talking with the
family about their daughter who was lesbian and and how she was coming out, and to hear her mother's voice, how hard it was for her to talk, and and how her daughter, family members, very emotional and intimate conversation. sometimes the human voice is enough. >> the emotion comes through. we are talking now, in part because of your historical award, the way podcasts have become such an important part of journalism. talk to us why podcasts, we can tie it to what bill is saying about that intimacy.
when we were talking earlier you mentioned that a lot of what happens in "in the dark" has to do with a nuanced approach. what is it about podcasts that allows that? what makes them as effective and as popular as they are? >> it helps to think what the world was like for radio reporting before podcasts. other than doing documentaries, your story, no matter how interesting you thought it was, was going to be four minutes or eight minutes really. there wasn't really a great way to do a lot of in-depth reporting. >> and it probably would be a one-shot, right? >> yes, and people were driving in their car the first time or the next part. there are advantages to that large audience the disadvantages, too.
when we have seen with in the dark is a level of engagement to the listeners, you could be listening wherever you want, tune out everything else and you are along in this story with us. for us as reporters it is the best opportunity ever because we have this ability now to tell. i mean, if you think of a 4-minute story, many episodes of various lengths, half an hour, too close to an hour. it just would not be possible. listeners really want that. they can tell the difference between something that is reported in depth and something that is not. they are just craving that. the same way we were talking earlier about the netflix, the documentaries. people want this reporting and one of the things we get many comments about is this nuanced approach that we believe in restraint and we are looking to dial things back.
even though our own nature is not to do that. >> it is a quality that is not in huge supply in journalism. we can also -- there is an opportunity for questions. we have a small but esteemed audience. we can jump to an audience question and i will go back to the panel, too. break it up just a little bit. anybody have questions for our panelists here? or if you want to we can come back to you. tell us who you are. >> i am from long island university. how do you think of the interplay between, and i recognize we have a print journalist, how your radio or audio stories interact with print media or visual media? obviously there have been crossovers in both between
newspaper reporting, podcast, television. do you see good in that? are there trade-offs to rk,"for us with "in the da there is a lot of people had never heard of a podcast before. we are not existing to serve podcast listeners. we are existing to serve people who you this would be helpful for. what we did in season two, we partnered with the clarion ledger, the largest city paper in mississippi and we had a stories there were published in the ledger that were not, they were basically our findings. so, then people who are reading the paper had never heard a podcast, can still find out what we learned most importantly through these years of reporting. the other thing we have done as we have done some events with we go to theere
community and their people have not read the newspaper and it would like to show up. we can have a conversation that way. we are also looking for ways with the website. although we have podcast, we have extensive additional information online. we published all of the rod data from our reporting with our jury analysis. articles youional can read in depth. that is a helpful place for us as reporters to have something that is focused, it will not going the podcast. example is photo identification. it is not something we got to in the podcast. this notion, six weeks later i can be shown the series of photos. we had a whole web presentation about that. for us we are seeing a great expanding audience with podcasts. >> and you know, while we're
with you here, i think it might be useful for those who did not hear the full podcast, to know what has become of this case. and is there resolution and may there be some kind of action that comes from it? >> so, our podcast ran from may through july, early july. in november the supreme court announced it will hear curtis's appeal. the kate of curtis flowers is set for moral arguments on march 20. looking aturts specifically is something we focus on in our reporting which was this question of the prosecutor, the elected desert attorney mike evans had a pattern of disproportionally striking black people from juries. we found that doug evans struck 4.5 times the rate of black
jurors versus white over 20 some years. this question of jury discrimination is at the center of what the court will be looking at. although, the court could decide to overturn curtis conviction but curtis has been tried six times. so, if that happens, one of the things with we thought was so important to point out, that does not mean that curtis cannot be tried again. he could be tried as seven-time by the same district attorney, even if the supreme court found that this district attorney violated the constitution. so, the story could be over. it could be far from over. we'll have to see. >> and will you follow that as part of the podcast? >> yeah. one of the things we are releasing four new episodes over the next few months where we are going to the supreme court and tracking the case as it heads to the supreme court. we will be there for oil argument and also looking at some of the related questions that come up when a case goes to the supreme court.
the history of racial dissemination in jury selection in the united states. then what happens? everything i said is the radical, -- is theoretical, but also,. physicist ray about a man who could be executed and his family and the family of the victims of the crummy city di-- the victims of the family. >> sounds pretty compelling. >> hoippe so. >> bill, do you think that radio on public radio and audio media is good way to do investigative reporting? >> absolutely. >> why do you say that? >> well, you are so in obtrusive. it is like a print journalist. there is not a lot of lights. >> no lights, no cameras. >> and you can work by yourself. and i think that is one of the great strengths of it. >> do you think of important investigative work that has been
only by radio people. what comes to mind? >> there are so many it is hard to pull out one. this american life is one example, certainly. and there, one example of many of the documentaries that are are sometimes featured on public radio now. >> ok. >> i would say one of the things the public radio has, and the podcasting world is trying to do investigations. there is a real effort in public radio newsrooms that i've worked at and in the podcasting world to spend time to dig and find data and find information and uncover things. and you get, i have got at my last station i was at in n eew
york, six months to date and find. >> what was that story about? >> a ton. i have done data-driven investigations into who loses custody of their children in the state of new jersey for what crimes and how that breaks down by race. of course, it ended up being the black mothers lose custody of their children at a disproportionately higher rate for doing the same thing that white mothers do. i've done investigations into children in the state of new jersey, minors, in the state of new jersey getting what amounted to life sentences even though this up in court has said that minors cannot get sentences that amount to life. 100 year sentences, even though they did not get life in prison, they got a bunch of sentences that added up to 100. you get, like, if you work in a newsroom that you are in investigative journalism which a lot of public radio stations do, they will give you the time to dig and find these things, which
is a real privilege and a lot of local newspapers do not get that time. i think people are starting to invest in local journalism again, because it was kind of forgotten for a little bit. now we're realizing how damaging that can be. of all the mediums, i feel like public radio and the podcasting world has always given me the space to do like investigative reporting. >> that is great to hear. >> there's one example is one that david -- who produces "story court." did when i was producing his documentary series with gh ettio 101. following two african-american boys over time in their neighborhood. a very, compelling having young people like that. that was kind of a landmark for him and a turning point. a lot of people followed it.
>> then the voices probably were extremely important there. >> the sounds enriched the neighborhood. >> exactly. other questions? yes? >> [inaudible] i have a question for bill, but really for everybody. about community radio. you mentioned, i guess your original, you talked about the aspirational aspect of your work early on, that that all things considered and morning edition does not have the amount of let's say locally source news coming in that you can see. there are not as many voices and dialects as you had hoped, if i am not mistaken. now, after playing a supporting role in helping launch npr and "all things considered," you have traveled around the world and developed community radio in africa and other places. can you talk a little bit about
the role of community radio ab and whether, there is a place for it to play as a supplement to mainstream public radio, as it's developed?' >> i went halfway around the world to africa, a number of countries in africa. i started an organization called developing radio partners. we didn't start the stations, but we helped enrich the programming. in mozambique the radio is the most respected institution in the community. they think of our radio. the nursing the clinic, they go to the radio station and they
act as a mediator to resolve an issue. so that is one of the great strength of this. stations in were 107ed -- ruwanda they have they call eyewitness observers. and these are people that have journalism training and they report in story ideas and give feedback. so, this is in a country the size of maryland. which has, and i suggested this year in philadelphia, that this is a way of reaching north philadelphia which is african-american. in a good way of more than anyone going out there, you can have these sources telling them, h ere's a problem in our neighborhood are here is a good project to work on. it really works. those are a couple of examples. another station in rwanda organized 40 live debates in one year. given the history of rwanda where 800,000 people were killed
and radio was part of that killing process, saying go out and kill more, the graves are not yet full. they are very sensitive about radio. so, in the way, they pick up any tension in the community and organize a debate. so, those are couple of short examples of this. curator. one thing that fascinates me about podcasts is that they lend the illusion that they are unfolding in real time to the listener who follows it step-by-step, but in reality, i imagine, that is not the way you put it together. that is, you assemble all the information. once you have it all you slice it up into episodes. so, i guess editing is ve importantr. how to we keep that honest. ?
int is to say, not in yours, others there must be a temptation to pretend in episode three the you do not know something that in fact you do know already or a temptation to keeping suspense by information, withholding information that you might already know. as listeners know we can trust something that seems to be happening just as we are listening to it, but in fact, comes partly out of the studio as well as in the field? >>. that is a good question for us, that is exactly how you described. although the listener has this experience of episode one, and i don't anything else, and episode two i know more. we never had that experience. we reported the whole thing and then we started storyboarding, outlining, writing, producing, editing, mixing, final mix. that is not as all -- at all our
experience. to as your question, number one is what does any journalists have to go on? only their track record. to trusted journalist one looks first of all, i think, are they credible in the past? is the news organization credible in the past? and then, i think it is important to show your work. that's something we have done a lot in the podcast, in "in the d ark" where we are showing our work to do a couple things. give people a sense of what goes into an investigation like this. the juryit took to do analysis to determine whether this district attorney had a history of striking black people from juries and we thought it was important to show that it was hard because without the point would be made. look, that should not be that hard. if you want to find this out about your local district attorney you should be able to go to the courthouse and find it and not have to hire a team of
investigative reporters for year. we show to work in that way. we showed our work at times as a narrative device to help people connect with the story and act as the host of "in the dark" is a guide at times. sometimes not the guide, but sometimes i am. an example would be, this is not a very dramatic example, but ballistics evidence. and so, the process that we went through as reporters o finding outf what is ballistic science, how do you measure bullet to a gun? you hear that sort of revelations may be. is to powerful word but that is what it was this is really holding up one bullet and say does it look like another bullet? you hear that on tape that that was honestly the first time i had that realization. we do a a lot of things, our producer does a lot of things to think really intentionally about this. so, when i'm hearing something
for the first time in the studio it is because she has kept it f rom me. i am the last person sometimes to know and everyone else is having fun conversation about t find out but i have to wait until thursday to find out. and to me, the idea of doing it, would be awful. it would be the same as lying in a story, it is line. would be the same as making an error. so, i think that those are the same standards of regular journalism. >> great question. yes? right here. yes? tell us again who you are, please. >> orion donovan smith. i'm a student at american university with investigative reporting workshop. youthis is, i guess for madeleine but i am curious to hear other thought. personally i come from a rural area. i have always been kind of irked rural areas tend to
be covered. by the people can say the same thing about their own communities. i grew up listening to npr, because all you had when you were driving around everywhere but at the same time it was a love-hate relationship. and something that i really appreciated about "in the dark" was the fact you could spend the year in wynonna and get to know folks and build trust. i'm wonder if you could speak to that, that process. any bumps in the road i'm sure you read into. and it s that something that can be applied, are there lessons you can take from that even if you do not have a year to move to mississippi? >> for us, it was so important to live there. i can't imagine pedigree speaking, some stuff that seems like it happened in the podcast was the product of months and months of just thing around. by the end, it seemed like it was not literally true but almost close to true. you could not really walk down
the street are going get gas or do anything without running into someone that you either knew and had interviewed. i think the process, it is an interesting thing where you show up in their town of 3000 people. you are strangers. who are these people? this is a very contentious case. is a case where either, and it is split along racial lines, either you believe there is a man who might be executed for a crime he did not commit or you believe that this man is guilty and has the audacity to keep trying to convince people otherwise and prolonging the pain of the victims. so, very polarized and also this is the deep south. we came in and the reaction the people had to us was really dependent on how they broke down on that question. so, people who thought that there were problems in curtis's case, the criminal justice system, tended to be really excited that reporters, investigative reporters were down living there, talking to people.
if people thought that there were no problems with the criminal justice system in this case and that this was like a who should've been killed along time ago, our presence in this town it was not something they wanted. but having said that, though, that's fine. anybody can have their approach to a journalist. that is their right. everybody to to get to us and figure out what was going on. we were fortunate when people broke down, what are you doing here? they stil talked to usl. and i think a lot of that, too, is there is no getting around the fact that we want to get it right if we moved there. this isn't we are not flying in and flying out. we are living there. we are going to see what the football game, we're going to see you at church. we are going to see at the grocery store. we are going to be here for so long. i think that was the when the main things that people are like, you are still here. wow. and, yeah, and that was like two months in.
i think that helped us a lot. it is not reasonable as a report is for us to show up and demand everybody trust us because we have a business card and we got a deadline anyway. that's crazy. wwe don't apply the to any other part of our lives. when you live some place you can be the person who talks to the neighbor. i remember seeing those girls around yesterday. now they are still strangers but i start seeing them. now they talked to my mom two weeks later. she did not have a terrible expense with them. she given some recommendations about what, whatever, where to go for food or something. then, you know, they got lost. this happen to us all the time. and my uncle gave him directions. there is an inevitability of talking to was that develops by the time that we knock on someone's door, even if we -- we are not a stranger. and that is the advantage of reporting of a small town. we had aspects of the stories were we were in jackson or chicago, indianapolis, where
having spent so much time in this town of 3000 people, we were struck by the unique challenges of reporting in an urban area. in a small town, eventually you will find someone. nobody can hide up forever and a time of 3000 people. if you're in chicago, you can hide for a year. but he could have been much more quickly in a small town. and i think that it has been will interesting to see what the reaction has been in wynonna says the podcast came out. and a lot of people, summoning people listening and talking about it. and really interesting for the town to see this story that had been this thing they had lived with for 20 some years become a national news story all of a sudden. that is been interested to see, too. >> i just wanted to add, rural life, because i was very sensitive. after i left npr,, and we did john, his first job in radio did
a sound portraits of six communities in north dakota. so, people have an idea of what is was like. so, i'd also like to knowledge wbfihan bear who was in buffalo and went on to work at npr. he retired by jonathan is an extraordinary producer. i'd like to acknowledge him here. you told me, i know you do not consider yourself an expert on the business of podcasts, but nevertheless, you are involved in an economics podcast. i'll ask you if you think that, you know, this explosion that has happened in the podcasting world has peaked. is it still growing? of where yousense think it is headed.
mean, it is easy to say that podcaster having their moment. but their entire news organizations or organizations that started podcast units and then shut them down completely. it is difficult to do a podcast. while you done to a podcast in your closet. literally, if you do not have a studio. it can be entertaining and it can be fun, but it does not, it is not an incredibly profitable industry. have an audience or if you do not have great editors and good marketing. so, it's difficult but i think sound is definitely having a moment. i feel like people are paying attention to sound and using sound in very different ways
that i have not seen before. so, even if you look at the movie industry, like there is a movie "roma" right now. when i watched it i just remember think, this is public radio on the big screen. like, this is people pointing a microphone to things that you would not normally put a microphonet to try to transport you to that place. >> i would say this is the age of audio, really. but when you have the two most venerable print publications "the new york times" and "the new yorker having radio programs, that is one sign of the poor for asian of all the podcasts. -- the puller for asian -- the proliferation of the all podcasts. i'm glad i live this long to see this. because when we were started, radio outto keep of the corporation because we
were such an embarrassment. >> it didn't really turn out that way. >> you know what is so interesting about audio and the podcasting world in particular is that i have younger sisters. and i remember when they were in high school and the first couple of years of college i could not get them to listen to pull the greater. and then -- to public radio. then there were listen to podcast and all of their friends listen to podcasts. i was like, hold on. sociale all who are media savvy like crazy and i call these different tools that you can constantly be on your phone are choosing one of the oldest modes of medication, just listening to people speak, when you could be watching them. younger people are totally visual people. >> how do you explain it? >> i don't know how to explain it. >> it just is. >> i just think it's -- i think one of the things is that yo you can listen to a podcast or radio
while doing other things, right? so, that, i think -- >> it fits into the way people live. a you can be listening to podcast while you're are scrolling on instagram looking at pictures of your friends. it is a thing that you can do when you're driving and when you're cooking and getting ready in the morning. it makes sense that it would appeal to younger people. they just needed to find it. they say discovery is the biggest problem in the podcasting industry. it is just really difficult to find new podcasts. none of the apps are great. >> for servicing them to you. >> also, just to navigate the apps. it is really difficult to try to explain to -- ok, there's an app. and you have to be on wi-fi. wait, you have to be on wi-fi? nowhere else in the internet you have to be on wi-fi to access anything. think that is one of the
challenge that the podcasting industry -- how do we get people to find missing? >> that is pretty good once we find it. >> you know, the first one, the withl that broke through podcasting and that was a spinoff of "this american life." it influence the podcasting a lot. >> it is safe to say and we discussed that that "in the dark" might not basis of it had not been "serial." >> it built in audience. everyone who does a podcast has benefited from "serial." it show their was an audience already existed and also they developed that audience. the number of people that listen to public radio for the first had tocause of "serial," be a lot to the point where you are being spoofed on snl. at that point, you kind of -- >> it has really broken through. >> yes.
so, i think we have benefited from that. i think that, hopefully what we will begin to see more in the next few years are more investigative podcast, more deeply, more of these reported podcast. right now there are still not that many truly investigative reporting podcasts, i think it is safe to say. there's reasons for that, they are time-consuming, they are expensive. our reporting, we lived there for a year. that does not come the time of the production, writing, e diting, additional reporting. but the public radio model of the public service we are doing fits in really well to this kind of, this idea of let's do more. let's become the premier place to go for deeply reported stories. hopefully that is what we are seeing. >> that is a good place to end. and the fact that the george polk awards have recognize the podcasting world should certainly help that mission. so, thank you to a great panel. and the audience,
congratulations to all the winners. >> i'd like to second that. i'm told that some of our viewers and listeners tuned in late and may have missed the first award i announced. that is the one for foreign reporting. so, i will repeated. it goes to -- and the staff of reuters for uncovering the mass graves of villagers in myanmar. and i would like to thank our panelist and our panel discussion leader, margaret sullivan, sarah gonzalez and madeleine darren for this enlightening discussion. podcast are at the moment still sweeping the country. i took a walk through central park two days ago. and in the space of 45 minutes,
i saw, counted 30 people with those earbuds. and you can tell of they are not talking back, they are listening. i think they were all listed to podcast. you have complicated our lives because i do not know how we are going to judge them all. they are so long. we'll have to be paid by the hour or paid even. thank you all for tuning in. i appreciate a little round of applause for our panel. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> monday night, on the communicators christopher shelton,, president of the communications workers of america, talks about their opposition to the proposed t-mobile-sprint merger.
he's joined by howard buskirk, executive senior editor at communications daily. >> we think it is a very bad idea. we think it will destroy about 30,000 jobs in the u.s. for a german government owned company and a japanese billionaire company. we don't see why the german government or japanese billionaires should seek to make money off of american jobs. that's what that merger will do. communicators, monday night at 8:00 eastern, on c-span2. >> here's a look at tonight's c-span program schedule. next, road to the white house coverage of senator elizabeth warren at a campaign organizing event today at plymouth state university in new hampshire. of today's coverage national governors association winter meeting in washington. a profile interview with house
minority leader kevin mccarthy. him because he is a fallible and because he often, though not always, but often in the memoirs will own up to failures. englishh samet, professor at the united states military academy at west point, on her annotated edition of grants memoirs. >> i had the moving experience of reading the manuscript alongside those notes. what you see is the dissolution of his physical body and this desperate clinging to all the hasgy, the reserves of he an to give every last ounce of strength of reading the books. he doesn't want to write his memoirs, but is compelled to buy a few circumstances.
his life including that grabs the end this diagnosis of his fatal cancer. >> elizabeth samet, sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's given day. -- q&a. next, our to the white house coverage follows senator elizabeth warren as she participated today in a campaign organizing event at plymouth state university in new hampshire. she has been holding several events in the granite state this weekend. new hampshire traditionally holds the first in the nation presidential primary.