tv Speaker Pelosi at DC Economic Club CSPAN March 9, 2019 5:55am-6:59am EST
process, the school integration, hope was alive in many quarters but for some in birmingham they saw their segregation sliding away and had to take matters into their own hand. >> watch book tv this weekend on c-span2. >> nancy pelosi talked with david rubenstein at the economic club of washington, d.c., outlining her legislative agenda and looking to the 2020 elections. this is one hour. >> can i have your attention, please. thank you. let me give a brief introduction to our special guest today and then we're going to have a scufplgts as i mentioned earlier, the speaker had the good fortune to be born in baltimore. her father was the mayor of baltimore. when i was growing up. he served three terms as mayor and five terms as a member of
the house of representatives. and her brother also served as a mayor. she was the youngest of seven children. the only girl in her family. david: she later went to washington where she went to trinity college and the president of trinity is right here. thank you very much for coming. [applause] while she was at trinity she met a young man who was a student at georgetown named paul pelosi. and they got married not too long thereafter. after they grad. and they moved to new york. paul was from san francisco. he worked in the financial service world in new york. and then ultimately he decided to move back to his native san francisco. and with his bride. and they went back there. and then in the course of six years, they had five children together. yes. very busy. [laughter] four girls and one boy.
and nancy did a terrific job with her husband, raising the children, very attentive to them. they all turned out terrifically. and eventually she got involved in government affairs a little bit. one of her neighbors was the mayor of san francisco, joseph. and he said to her, why don't you get on the library board? i'd like to have you be involved in a more formal way. she said, i don't want to get involved in any formal government positions. i'm happy with what i'm doing as a volunteer. ultimately she went on that board and got more involved in civic affairs and she got involved in the democratic party in california and became the chair of the northern section of the california democratic party. and later became the chair of the entire california democratic party. she was very close to her congresswoman who had replaced her husband as a member of congress when he passed away. and then as she was on her death best said to mansy pelosi, i'd like you to succeed
me. and nancy had no interest, she said in running for congress. but ultimately she was persuaded to do so by sali burton. so she ran the special election in 1987 and she won. i think there were 12 others running at the time but she won fairly overwhelmingly and became a member of the house of representatives. now more than 30 years ago. she rose up in that position and in 2002 was asked to be the house minority whip and she succeeded in that position. in 2003 she became the house minority leader and served in that position for a number of years and then in 2007 became the first woman in our country's history to serve as speaker of the house of representatives. [applause] she served in that position for four years. when the democrats lost control of the house, she retained her position as the house high if -- minority leader and served in that position for eight years. and then as we know, in the last elections in november, the house went back to the
democratic party control and she was elected again as speaker and now the 52nd speaker of the house of representatives of our country. so it's my honor to introduce and ask nancy pelosi to please come up here. [applause] thank you. thanks very much. ms. pelosi: thank you for that rundown. david: ok. [applause] ms. pelosi: thank you, david. david: for you, not for me. ms. pelosi: thank you. david: wow. well. there's nothing you can say that will live up to this applause. [laughter] ms. pelosi: i can leave now. david: so you have said that being the mother of five and
the grandmother of nine has been helpful to you in government service and giving you kind of experience. is it more helpful in dealing with your caucus ordealing with the white house? [laughter] ms. pelosi: why i say that is because i want to say to all moms out there, place a gold star on that experience that you have. whether -- whatever -- shall we say opportunities you are faced with, it's about managing time and personalities and diplomacy and quarter mastering, logistics and all the rest. it's a multitasking wonder. and i just congratulate all moms and dads for what they do. but -- so it's not about managing people because of my experience with children, it's more about managing time. david: so tell us, when you were elected speaker, the first
woman to be speaker, then you we captured the speakership after eight years as a minority leader, how do you compare the relative pleasure to being the first speaker who is a woman to capturing it again and being the first speaker in 60 years to recapture the speakership? how do you compare the relative joy and pleasure of that? ms. pelosi: before i answer that question, and i thank you for it. let me thank you, david, for your leadership in so many ways. because all of us who were involved in the public arena one way or another have a deep patriotism and love of our country and we thank you for many things. but including memorializing so much of our country's heritage and recognizing -- david: thank you. [applause] ms. pelosi: whether it is in words, well, even from the magna carta, but the institution, the declaration of independence. our national monuments and the rest. it's a tribute to the great vision of our founders, which is something that inspires us every day. thank you for making that
visibility so strong. and i thank the economic club of washington, may -- mary brady, for the hospitality today. to be here. thank you, mary. [applause] again, it's important on women's international -- international women's day, to acknowledge the leadership of all women. mary, president maguire from trinity college, my alma mater, which i totally love. so the first time -- i have to say, when i was running for leadership in the congress, or for speaker, the last thing i could ever say to someone is you should vote for me because we should have a woman. you just had to prove that you would do the best job. but when it turned out that i became the speaker, it was uite an overwhelming feeling that we had broken a marvel ceiling in our country. i always thought the american people were much more ready for an american president than the
congress of the united states was ready for a woman speaker. i like to tell story that the first meeting i ever went to as a leader, not yet speaker, but leader, was with president bush as president. and when i went into -- was going to the white house for my first meeting as a leader of micah cuss, and -- of my caucus, and i didn't feel apprehensive about it because i'd been to the white house many times as an appropriator, as a member of the intelligence committee. those are two places i was forged in congress. and so i just went. but as we went into the meeting, and the door closed behind me, i realized that it was the first -- unlike any meeting i'd been to before. in fact, it was unlike any meeting any woman had been to before in the white house. because there was a small -- meeting the president, the leadership of the house and the senate, democrats and republicans. but i was going in there not as an appointment of the
president, with my power and presence derivinged from a person, but actually from the power of micah cuss. so when i sat there and i tell you this story because it's international women's day. so as i sat there and president bush, ever gracious, welcoming, all of a sudden i was squeezed in on my chair. it was so crowded on my chair. i could barely acknowledge what he was saying. i was so distracted. i realized that sitting there on that seat with me were susan b. anthony, elizabeth cady stanton, sojourner truth, alice paul, you name it. they were all there right on that chair. and i could hear them say, at last we have a seat at the table. [applause] and then they were gone.
and my first thought was, we want more. we want more. [laughter] that's my international women's day story. david: well, since you've been a leader in the house, you've dealt with three presidents. president bush, president obama and president trump. so could you compare their different styles? [laughter] how are they different? ms. pelosi: well, they aren't relative. i thank you for the question. i think it's an important one from a his store -- historical standpoint. here's the thing. first of all, i completely and entirely respect the office of the president of the united states. and i respect the people who voted to elect a president of the united states. so it's with complete respect that i encounter whoever the president is. i always make it my own practice not to suggest to any president, democratic or
republican, anything that is not in his interest. instead of going with my agenda and saying, should do this. no, this is in the public's interest, the national interest. president trump was a governor of -- excuse me. president bush was the governor of texas. president obama was a state senator. and a united states senator. so they had brought to their office some level of experience if government and some level of knowledge -- in government and some level of knowledge of issues of the day. it was a little bit easier, you used the word relative, to relate and speak shorthand about the issues that we had ahead. we worked very closely with president bush, even though i disagreed with him mightily on the war in iraq, but that did not prevent us but that did not stop us from
passing the biggest energy bill in the country, passing tax -- passing a bill to help poor children in our country, pepfar, all kinds of issues we worked together. with he would send people and say, whether it was secretary paulson or whoever, he would say these people have my confidence you have ll me if problems. we had a good working relationship. president obama as democratic president we had a special relationship then, but you still, even though it's your open party, you have differences f approach, of time, whatever. david: are you doing trump? [laughter] ms. pelosi: i pray for our country every day. i always have. but i do think that there's something to be said for experience, knowledge, judgment,
and surrounding yourself with people who know -- i always say to people when they say they want to run for office, what is your vision for our country? what is your why? why should we be attracted to what you have to say? what do you know about your subject, your focus? if it's climate, if it's economic vitality, if it's education, whatever the subject, what do you know about your specialty so that your judgment can be trusted? what's your vision, what's your knowledge and judgment, and what is your strategic thinking about issues, how do to the get something done. and how do you draw people into your orbit so that you are a leader and can advance in that? so when you make a judgment
about a candidate, of course that applies to a president as well. and i do think that there's something to be said for whatever your vision is, whatever your connection is to the public, that in between, your judgment is guided by truth, , data, facts, knowledge, and that is a place where we have some work to be done. david: you haven't agreed with president trump on that many things and very often sometimes people don't agree with him, he tweets about them, calls them a name or something, has an interesting name for them. he hasn't tweeted anything really negative about you, hasn't given you a name, do you feel left out by not having a name? and how do you account for the fact that though you opposed him on many thing he seems to be verying very civil to you?
ms. pelosi: we have a courteous relationship, i have respect for the office he holds, he is the novet united states. i do think there are some areas where we can work together and perhaps that's why we do have a good, shall we say, courts you, relationship. our agenda was for the people,, hening back to our founders and abe -- harr kening back to our und -- harkening back tour founders and abraham lincoln. hering the cost of prescription drugs, cleaner government, which we pass those opposed, no floor of the house today and i couldn't be prouder. [applause] i'll get back to that in a moment. but the first two policy item, lowering the cost of prescription drugs and building
the infrastructure of america are two areas where i have had conversations with the president and we've had some interactions between the administration and the legislative branch and our outside groups who are interested in this to make -- have some resulters in american people in that regard. so keeping the rapport courteous, keeping it respectful, i think on those two iority the president has assured me that that is we look forward to. david: you had a well-publicized meeting with the president right before the government shutdown with chuck schumer and the president said he would take the blame if there was a government shutdown. ms. pelosi: proudly, proudly. david: were you surprised that
wasn't a case? do you ever have any doubt that this was going to work out the way you thought it should work out? ms. pelosi: a shutdown of government should never happen. 800,000 people did not get paychecks, whether they came to work or not they did not get paychecks. that has a tremendous impact on those individual families, on the communities -- the economy of the communities in which they live, on our economy writ large. it also deprives the american people of services rendered by our public sector. it was wrong in every respect. so to your point of did i think it was going to end up that we would open up government by the president signing the bill that we sent him? yes.
abraham lincoln said public sentiment is everything. with it you can accomplish almost anything, without it, nothing. and the public septemberment was there. neededonchese public who the services, the public sentiment. that's what gives me most hope in government today because it's a different place than when i first came to congress in terms of social media and the rest and the -- in realtime how slanted n, real or gets out there so the fact is, is that i had confidence that public sentiment would reach the senate of the united states and hat would make the difference. david: the dispute to some
extent was over the funding of the wall. you and the democrats were against it, the president and many republicans wanned it. what's the reason democrats on't want to fund the war, what's the basic reason the democrats dent like the president's proposal? ms. pelosi: we're not talking about funding the wall, we're campaignbout funding a applause line. there's nothing, no scientific evidence based for that a wall would be the best way to secure our borders. we all are there to secure our borders we take an oath to protect and defend the constitution, the american people, our country, and we honor that. just because the president said in a speech that he was going to have a wall an mexico is going to pay for it, he seems to forget that part of it. even if they did, a wall is not what is needed there we said , 'll have the resources to do
it may be more than you ever wanted to know put most of the trade, immigration, tourism and the rest and commercial aspects are huge in terms between mexico and the united states. within this hemisphere. coming through the ports of entry. so we're saying ok if that's where 90% of it is coming, let us build the infrastructure of the ports of entry. if time is an important factor, and it always is, the most limited commodity of all, then let's have the technology that can scan, nonintrusively scan, trucks, cars, whatever coming through so we can detect guns, drugs, other contraband. the people coming into our country need some respect in terms of food, clothe, medicine, etc. let's have that. let's have more judges to expedite the procedure and the rest of that. that's what our bill did. house and senate, democrats and
republicans. it said if there are places where a physical barrier is helpful, then that -- then you have $1.75 knoll do all of the above. the president said we have 600 miles of this or that. 300 miles are what we call normandy fences. you know what that is? like this. it keeps cars from coming through. that's not a wall, but the president is describing as we already have 600 miles. the 1.75 is what we offered him last year, what he didn't accept what he signed this year. so i d think that from a standpoint of sea-to-shining sea, big, tall wall, impenetrable, is not the way we relate to other countries, other people. and if you want me to i'll start talking about ronald reagan and what he thinks about walls and
immigrants. david: let me ask you though, today, can you assure the american people it's unlikely we'll have another shutdown in your term? do you think both sides have recognized it's not a good idea? or do you think it's possible you'll have one again? ms. pelosi: we have never thought it was a good idea. david: do you have a sense the republicans don't want to support a shutdown again? flip public sentiment, public sentiment is everything. by the way, that was 25% shutdown. it was terrible but it's only -- not only, but it was limited to 25%. if it were 100% shutdown as the republicans instituted in 2013, that has even a bigger impact on the economy and the rest. if you want to talk about that i'll go there. david: yesterday the house of representatives passed a resolution in which it basically said we're against anybody that hates anybody, i guess, more or less. it was an anti-hate resolution.
but it was watered down in the view soft -- in the view of some people and wasn't as much of an anti-semitic resolution chastising somebody for something she had said are you pap happ by with the resolution? was it difficult to negotiate the resolution that ultimately passed? ms. pelosi: i appreciate they question, thank you. i don't think it watered down the anti-semitic language at all. i think it strengthened it. it's not about anybody who hates anybody, it's acting on the hatred. that's what we have no place for against anyone in our country. it's part of our values we convey to the rest of the world. a week and a half or so ago, i took a big delegation to munich for the munich security conference. then we went to brussels to meet with nato and e.u. and those elements of our transatlantic relationships. and with the prime minister.
in every meeting that we had, whether it was the security -- defense ministers or the fortune ministers, every meeting we had, we talked about fighting anti-semitism in our country because it has been rearing its head. so this is something that we have been as part of who we are. the incident that happens with -- i don't think our colleague is anti-semitic. i think she has a different experience in the use of words, doesn't understand that some of them are fraught with meaning that she didn't realize, but nonetheless, we had to address. and so the question was, do you have one amendment that just talks about anti-semitism,res. lution that addresses white upremacy, so many of the
islamaphobia, all the rest of it. we thought it would just be appropriate to have it as one. but it has no -- by no means any intention nor any impact or effect in reducing the fight against anti-semitism not only in our own country but it rears its head other places and those other elements as well. david: so in the old days, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, freshmen members of congress were generally thought to kind of be quiet for a few terms, weren't supposed to say very much. that seems to have changed. is it harder for you to kind of convince your senior members that the junior members need to have more time to express themselves? is it difficult to manage the caucus when you have freshmen members who get so much attention? is that a problem? ms. pelosi: no, it's a joy. it's invig ration. it's what our founders intended. elections every two years. i have to say this because i'm
really proud of this on international women's day. that in the congress of the united states, this congress, we had over 100 women members of congress serving at the same time. 100. over 100 members. we had 91 on our side, 15 on the other side but we made a decision, hopefully they will too, that's just talking about the house. now at the -- in the same congress, next year, but in the same congress, we will be observing the 100th anniversary of women having the right to ote. [applause] it's a big steppingstone. again, with all due respect to everyone who has served, our caucus is over 60% women. people of color, lgbtq. 60% of our caucus. that's remarkable, right?
different than when ump there. our diversity sour strength. i say to the members as we, shall i say, channel our exuberances. [laughter] our diversity is our strength. but our unity is our power. [applause] david: so in other words, when off freshman member of congress who has a lot of twitter followers and so forth and they get a lot of attention, that doesn't bther you? ms. pelosi: no, actually, i think it's important, especially for women and newcomers to the congress to know, this is not a zero sum game. somebody else's progress or success in the public arena is a plus for all of us. it isn't a zero sum game. if you have this, then that subtracts -- sub tracks from something else. i thrive on the diversity. nd just think of this. when -- when the watergate
babies came and that was a big deal, right, even before you were in the carter administration. david: right. ms. pelosi: when they came -- just barely, but still. when they came they had one of the biggest, most historic classes to make an impact on the congress of the united states. chris, not one of them got a gavel in the first year. 18 of our freshmen are chairs of sches and wield a gavel. 18 of our freshmen. and that says something about your question. ,ur more senior members welcome they vie for them to come onto committees because of the knowledge and experience that they bring. david: now the chair of the judiciary committee, congressman nadler of new york, has recently issued a request for information from 81 members of the trump administration. it has not subpoenaed yet but
requested. are you supportive of that? does he clear that kind of thing with you or he does what he wants to do? and are you thinking that this could ultimately lead to some kind of impeachment effort or is there no interest on the part of the democrats to have an impeachment process? ms. pelosi: i support what our chairman does. we have an array of chairmen. i'm sure you saw elijah , heings' meetings last week was fabulous, and adam schiff, maxine waters on the money side, eliot engel on foreign affairs. we have an array of chairman who -- of chairmen who take an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states, jerry nadler
included, which means in the text part of it is oversight of the executive branch. in their wisdom, our founders had three branches of government, co-equal, separation of power, a check and balance on each other. not to have ir oversight over another branch of government, they would be delinquent in their duty and the oath of office they take. so we're not in a scattershot, this is strategic. they don't come to me, no. they have their own -- they have their own authority and strength, purpose of their committees tied to their oath of office. david: today, there's been an effort by some members of the house ways and means committee, other members of your caucus, to get the president's tax returns. is that something you think is an appropriate thing to do? ms. pelosi: do i think it's appropriate? i think it's appropriate for the
president of any -- for any candidate of president, nominee of a party, to put forth their tax returns. everyone has done it since this became an issue with gerald ford, not an issue with him, but starting with yerled ford because it was an issue with richard nickson, president nixon. but no, there shouldn't even have to be an extraordinary measure to ask the president to do what is appropriate to do. there's some measures people have out there that says that anybody who wants to run for office should put forth, you know, if you're the nominee of the party that you should put our tax returns forward. i don't know -- chairperson neal of the ways and means committee, i don't know what form that will take. the committee will make its judgment based on ironclad constitutionality about how we
o forward. david: in the tax word, there was a tax cut in the first part of president trump's administration that the democrats opposed. now that you're in charge are reverse thattry to r make changes to taxes? ms. pelosi: the ways and means committee will decide what we do about taxes. so many come to us and say if we could only just fix this, if we could only just fix this. and we're saying, we really just have to look at the whole tax bill. and see what the decisions will be made as we go forward. it's prnt to note that however, this tax bill is a tax scam of the highest magnitude. today in the congress of the united states, we passed h.r. 1 to remove obstacles of
participation to people, citizens, who are qualified to vote so that they can vote. had many other empowersments for grass roots, small donors and the rest resm moving the power, dark, special interest money in politics. restoring confidence of the public in the public sector that we are there to do the job, to get it done for them without undue influence from dark special interest money. h.r. 1. the republicans' h.r. 1, if i may be allowed a moment of differentiation, the republican's h.r. 1 was to pass a tax scam to give 83% of the benefits to the top 1% in our country, increasing the deficit with interest to about $2 trillion. the national debt. $2 trillion. what happens when the -- what happened to the deficit haublings? they're becoming an endangered species on the republican side. now they've become extinct.
so this has to be revisited. not crust because of the unfairness of it but also the impact that it has on the udget. and what the budget means, the american people investing in education, building an economy for the jobs of the 21st century, innovation, allaying fears of globalization and innovation, what it means to america's workers, we have important work to do and do it in a bipartisan way. but we -- but it's harder to do if you subtract $2 trillion to give a tax cut to the highest 1%. could we have worked together to say what's the appropriate lowering of the corporate rate and what's best fer economy? no, but speed of light, dark of night, pass the bill when ramifications were not well known to the american people. instead, our h.r. 1 is about
empowering the people and part of that is having a congress that's transparent and open, one that strives for bipartisanship where we can find our common ground, where we can, stand our be nd where we can, and completely imbued with the spirit of our founders. plure bus ewe numb, -- e pluribus unum, from many one. whatever our differences are, as we have our debates, that we remember we are one. that's what we have to keep coming back to. so to your question about the tax bill, weeg have -- we'll have to sit down and take a look at it and what it means to keep america number one in every possible way and striving to end what's one of our overarching issues, striving to end the enormous and growing disparity of income in our country which
is not -- it's not good for our families, it's not good for our economy. david: what sit like to get along with the senate side, the senate side controlled by the republicans, can you call mitch mcconnell and say let's have coffee and talk about where things are going or does it not work that way? ms. pelosi: i don't drink that much coffee. david: then sit down and have some chocolate. but is it a regular conversation? ms. pelosi: david just gave me a box of chocolate as a welcoming gift. my kids and i and my husband made an agreement, if somebody giveus a box of chocolate as an act of sincerity you open it and start eating the chocolate. otherwise they think you're going to regift it. so six you mentioned chocolate i couldn't resist, it's one of my passions. i have a good rapport with
senator -- leader mcconnell because we were both appropriators. i said earlier, appropriations and intelligence were two of the committees i was forged on when i had absolutely no intention of running for congress, much less running for leadership. but i was forged in those committees which in those days were very much bipartisan committees and i do say left to their own devices the appropriators can come to a solution and they did. in this bill that the president recently signed. so mitch and i are appropriators. we have that history so we can get along even though we have our major differences. david: in recent years you have been vilified by the republicans and people on the right, and i think the most recent campaign, 132,000 ads were run against you, using your name. does this elevate you -- [laughter] has this been personally difficult for you being so vilified are do you take pride in the fact that they recognize
you're powerful? flip my goddaughter, katy myer, she told me she was coming -- hi, katy. katy sent me something on my phone that i read this morning. it said your power is the reason your opponents come after you or something like that. i do believe, this is what i say, i have a -- i set an example to other women not to be too shy about things and assert yourself and take credit and the rest of that. but here's the thing. if i were not effective, they wnt be doing these ads. if they didn't have -- [applause] i'm a master legislator. i know how to do it because that's what i was doing. i wasn't running for leadership, i was legislating. i have a following in the country. that supports me at the grass roots level. and across the board.
so they have to take me down. so i have to show other women, we're in the arena, you're in the rye arena, once you're in that arena, touve prepared to take a punch. you have to be prepared to throw a punch too. really with we have to be a model to women, do not fear, have no fear. know your own power. be yourself. go out there and fight the fight because you know you're why, you know why -- you know your why. you know why you decided to get into the arena, you know what you care about, you know how to get a job done. you can draw support from other people. and that's why they come after me. if i were not effective they ouldn't take out 132,000 ads against me in the campaign. ut we --
david: many people in the democratic party are running for president you probably know all of them. and you never considered running for president is that correct? you never considered or did you? ms. pelosi: no. i didn't consider running for congress. david: these peoplemark of them have positions that are -- ms. pelosi: that doesn't mean people haven't suggested it, but anyway. david: i assume they come by and ask you for your advice, you're not going to support anybody before the nominee is -- will you endorse anybody before the party choose as nominee? ms. pelosi: let me endorse all of them by saying they bring such values, such strategic thinking, such optimism and confidence about that what i believe in to the discussion. when they talk about maybe we have 10, 20 candidates two debates on the same, it'll be one display after another of
american values about concern for working families in our country. about plans to get results for those families. so i look forward to those debates. but i do think, don't tell anybody i told you this, ok. i do think that the person who will emerge will be those who connect. remember i said vision, knowledge, judgment. strategic thinking. planning. but who connects? mr. gordon and i had this conversation the other night. who connects with the american people. and that is what we -- that's up to the public, it's not up to any elected, it's up to the public to decide who they respond to. david: some of the people running for president and some in your own caucus have supported something called the green new deal. do you have any comments on that? ms. pelosi: the -- i -- i am very freeze pleased there's an
increased awareness about the hreat to our planet. the crisis we are facing. when i was speaker the first time, that was my flagship issue under president bush. we established a select committee, ed marquee was the chair. working with president push passed an nrbling bill. the biggest energy bill in the history of our country. the president is taking millions and million -- it ended up taking millions of cars off the road by raising standards. this is a challenge that generations in its many manifestations. when i said earlier we had the challenge of reducing income disparity in our country, that's one challenge. over here is saving the planet. there's no plan b. but they are related because i do believe that as we save the planet, we can do so with jobs,
jobs, jobs, jobs, good-paying in keeping it preeminent the world with green technologies. it's a national security issue which is one place i have a major disagreement with the current president of the united states. but the generals and admirals and others, security experts, tell us that this is a security issue and it's a moral issue if you believe, as i do, that this is god's creation. many evangelicals and people of faith believe this is god's creation. we have a moral responsibility to be good stewards. if you don't share that, at least you do understand that we have a moral responsibility to pass the planet on to future generations. now we have formed another select committee which will review many options to see based on evidence, data, facts, what the current situation is beyond what we were doing with mr.
markey and have continued to study since then. green new deal, some of the elements of that, may be part of the -- will certainly be part of the discussion. but already, see this time, different from before, this time i didn't have a select committee. i said to every chairman, saving the planet is an imperative for every committee in the house. we've already had 15 hearings on climate when we really haven't had any for a number of years under the previous leadership. what does the jest job, that keeps us number one, protects the children's health, se curious nation, hon no, sir our values, and does so in a way shorter results in a period of time. david: some of the people
running for president and some of your caucus support higher marginal tax rates and higher taxes, do you have any view on whether those are likely to happen or not? ms. pelosi: do you? david: i would say your view would be more important than mine. ms. pelosi: let bleme go back to your previous question about the tax bill. i give you the same answer. the committee will be looking at what is it that we need in terms of revenue to meet the needs of the american people, to grow our economy, and to recognize that certain things, certain things, for example, investment in education, madam president maguire, some people in the congress will say, we've got to freeze the pell grants and we've got to cut this or that because we've got to save money and reduce the national debt. but let me say this discourts
youly. with stiff kmp decision that is one of the dumbest ideas that our opponents have put forth because nothing brings more money to the treasury than the education of the american eople. when people say this tax without will d this or that, let's talk about how we gear it all to education, education, education. t's the key to everything. they reduced the deficit and they do so in a way that is much better than some of the proposals. david: the president negotiated a revised nafta agreement known as usmca, but it has to be approved by the congress before it go into effect. do you think the house of representatives will approve that deal? ms. pelosi: we have to see it first. i voted for the original nafta
and took some heat for doing it, some of it didn't live up to expectations but the trade within our hemisphere work mexico, canada and the united states, is very important. i was in five cities in texas within the past week and they're very eager to know the answer to that question are we going to get a bill we can support. when the president says unless you get this new deal, we're canceling the old one, that's not a good idea. there's four things we have to make a judgment about. the environment is important. the workers rights in both couldn't i are -- countries are important. about bers are worried pharmaceuticals. but whatever is agreed to in those three areas, the most important element of a trade
agreement is enforcement. if you don't have enforcement, you ain't got nothing. because it's just a conversation. a list of things. so i -- what i keep saying to ambassador lighthizer who is very respectful, he has listened to members on both sides of the --le, he is highly respected that would be a good person that we have to see the enforcement be central to the trade agreement, not prefer ral to it. -- not peripheral to it. we'll see how it goes. he's having meetings with members. so members will weigh in on that. i thought this would be easy. david: it is. ms. pelosi: no, i meant the trade agreement. [laughter] david: ok, i got it.
sali burton was a good friend of yours. when she was on her deathbed you asked you to run for congress, i mentioned earlier. had you ever thought of running for congress yours? and what did your children say when you said you were going to run for congress, and your husband? ms. pelosi: here's the thing. i never -- no interest in our -- in our family, baltimore, maryland, when i was born my father was in congress, a member from baltimore, when i was in first grade he became the mayor of baltimore. when i was at trinity college he was still the mayor of baltimore. it was the only life we knew. and it was -- we were born into a family, devoutly catholic, fiercely patriotic, in love with america. proud of our itall quan american heritage. staunchly democratic. and that connection between our faith and how we exercise our belief in the gospel of matthew, when i was hungry -- or how we just treated people with a spark of beginity each of them having
worthy of respect for all god's children, that's how we were raised, to have responsibility to other people. and that's what our parents instilled in us. but i never, ever thought, nor did anybody else around me, think that i would ever want to run for office. however i did volunteer in the democratic party to support other candidates. when i first moved, when paul and i first moved to california, one of the first people we ever et was leo daley, how many decades ago, thank you for being here. i knew leo before i was volunteer in politics. ut then one thing and another. my kids and i used to go to the library, sort books, do all the things you do as a volunteer. the mayor called me one day and said i know you love the library, i want to appoint you to the library commission.
as you said, i said, you don't have to do that save that for somebody else, we'll always volunteer, we love the library. he wasn't known as a feminist, he said nancy, if you're getting -- doing the work, get official recognition for it. you become a member of this commission, you have a vote, you make decisions, people care about what you think, so i did that. today we're celebrating libraries in san francisco, we became the national library of the year. so proud of that. but the point being that for other women, get the recognition for what you are doing. because you never know, as i never knew, that sala would want me to run for office. but when she did, i was ready. so i say to people, know your power.
women, know your power. count everything you've done including being a mom. maybe starting with know your power, be yourself, authenticity is everything. sincerity and awe then sisity is everything. don't try to be somebody else, be yourself. and be ready. be ready. david: you got elected, you had three children, living in washington then. you said to them, as i understand it, we can now all live together in a house, get the three children. what did your children say about that idea in ms. pelosi: they said mother -- first let me say, sala said to me, you have to make me feel better if you would run. i said i have never even thought about running for office. i'm shy. you know. so -- [laughter] ms. pelosi: so i said, go home and talk to my kids. i only had one at home, zand remark she is she's a filmmaker,
you probably know alexandra pe he see. she was 16. she was going to be a senior in high school. i said zand remark mommy, mommy has the opportunity to run for congress. i don't know if i'll win, i just have the opportunity to run for congress. i love my life, i love being here with you, so if you want me to stay for this last -- it would be easier if you were one more year, in college, but if you want me to be here, otherwise i'll be gone like three nights a week, monday, tuesday, wednesday, or tuesday, wednesday, thursday of the week so any answer is fine. i honestly mean that. yes, no, i'm happy either way. mother, so i knew i was in trouble right then. mother, get a life. this was 30 years ago. i had never heard the expression before.
get a life. what teenage girl would not want her mother gone three nights a week? [applause] so yeah. so when i go to washington, dad says, we're going to have a nice house. i'm looking at the kids thinking hot meals, clean clothes, your own room. they're living in basements and attics, heaven on earth to them. but not to me. i said we can all live together and this and that. they're like mother, we love our siblings. not only do we not want to live with you, we don't want to live with each other. they're in college -- we're in college to live with our friends. so you're in congress, we're in college, why don't you just forget we're in the same city. boo-hoo. david: four father and mother were still alive when you were elected, came to see you be sworn in
ms. pelosi: my father had been in congress, so if you've been in congress you have the right -- mr. gordon knows this as well if you're a former member of congress you have the right to the floor. so my father was on the floor of the house when i was sworn in. that was pretty exciting. it was pretty exciting hsm edied a few months later, i was so lucky he was there to see it and my mother was too david: you obviously enjoy the job. how many more years might you do this in 10? 15? 20? any limit? ms. pelosi: i know that -- somebody said to me recently, there's nothing as limit -- as liberating as term limits. you just do what you co-do. i'm on a mission. i'm not on a timetable. i do have some other things i want to do in life. david: your proudest achievement you have legislatively, would that be the affordable care act
you shepherded through the house? ms. pelosi: yes. the affordable care act, david, this is a pillar, social security, medicare, medicaid, the affordable care act, not only 20 million more people having access to health care which we're very proud of, but everybody in our country getting better benefits, whether it's no pre-existing condition limitation on access or ending caps, annual caps, lifetime caps, being a woman no longer a pre-existing medical condition. i can tell you that as a mother of five, in six years almost to the day, that's a -- i thought it was a sign of strength, they considered it a pre-existing medical condition. your kids up until 25 years old can be -- it wasn't just about who was getting medicare it was increasing benefits for other people.
now our goal is to make sure that all americans have access to quality, affordable health care. there are many proposals that you're probably going to ask me bout right now on the table. what do they mean in terms of quality of care for the individual, cost to the individual, and to the country? david: is there any other pe he sees who might run for office? any of your children interested in office? ms. pelosi: my daughter christina is one of the smartest political people i know, but she doesn't show -- she's got a 9-year-old little girl. that's hard. i have the highest respect for my women colleagues who come while simultaneously raising families and serving in congress. i'm in total awe of them. mipe was sequential. christine doesn't show an interest in running for public office but she is involved civically, following in her
grandmother's guidances of our responsibilities to other people and our community. dip you say something about your husband, what's it like to be married to the speaker of the house for your husband? has it made it easier for you to do it the way he's operated? ms. pelosi: you have to ask him that, what is it like for him to be married to the speaker of the house. does , he doesn't -- he from time to time say this isn't what i bargained for, or how did this happen? because here we were, getting married, having our children and then boom, all of a sudden one thing and another. david: final question. what would you like the american people to know about nancy pe he see, in 20 seconds or so, what would you like to say, this is what they should know about nancy pelosi, she's interested in, wants to do this, what would you like people to take away from the conversation?
ms. pelosi: my why, in terms of why i went from the kitchen to the congress and housewife to house speaking, my why is one in five children in america who lives in poverty having five children of my own, knowing the love and concern and all that we give to our children, probably veryone in this room, we can afford personally timewise and otherwise for our children. to me it's a disservice to every child in america to not be sure that every child in america has opportunity. that one in five children in america goes to sleep hungry at night, is like this is the greatest country that ever existed in the history of the world, and one in five children gos to sleep hungry. so that is my why. cup that will with just instilled in me by my parents a love of our country. that just says anything is
possible. anything is possible. so it gives you hope that if you work hard enough, pray hard enough too, that you'll be table accomplish whatever the goal is. and i just leave you with the thought that this country is the greatest country that ever was. it can withstand anything. but we all have a responsibility. this is a moment, as elia cummings said at the close of his hearings, this is our destiny. thomas payne said, thomas payne said the times have found us the times have found us now too. with these two. channel the energies, respect the diversity, the differences of opinion in our country and lways keep taking it back to one, e pluribus unum. the reason i left home, the reason i get up every morning to
go into the fight is the one in five children in poverty. david: i'd like to thank you for an interesting conversation, for making so many americans -- [applause] david: thank you for making so many american, many women so many people from san francisco, and the hometown of baltimore, proud and i have a small gift for you. ms. pelosi: let's hear it for david, isn't he wonderful? david: this is a picture when you were taking the gavel the first time and taking the gavel the second time, look exactly the same. thank you very much. thank you very much for a good conversation. ms. pelosi: thank you. thank you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]
administrative state. >> nobody understood at that the legitimacy of the administrative state, you abandoned the necessity of establishing separation of powers as a viable way of working our national government. >> then tonight at 11:00 eastern, the 20th annual frederick douglass book prize, awarded by the institute american history. armstrong dunbar for "never caught," and "the don of detroit." on afterwards, democratic senator doug jones recalls his prosecution of two former kkk members involved in the church bombing that killed four black girls. his book is called "bending toward justice," and he is