tv British Prime Minister Theresa May Discusses Brexit Plan CSPAN May 5, 2019 9:48pm-10:24pm EDT
being needed for that inquiry. this is something that should have taken place earlier, something about which there are those who have the start of the campaign to ensure this could be held. it is important to get to the bottom of this issue and that is why we are insuring the inquiry has the resources. >> order. [inaudible conversations] >> also on wednesday, members of a parliamentary committee questioned prime minister may on the state of the brexit negotiations. the european council recently
we will leave at the end of the month. it is important. i want that to happen before the october deadline. once consensus is reached, members should look to pass necessary legislation and end the uncertainty. we have been making concerted efforts to build on that consensus. with discussions on workers rights. the role of parliament. we also try to ratify the withdrawal agreement, which the house chose not to do.
the agreed that the right thing press to do was to reach out to the opposition. i think that was unprecedented. but it was the right thing to do. the public wanted to see us working together to deliver the results of the referendum. there are differences on issues. and i many of the key areas. we note that we need to and this uncertainty and do it as soon as possible. i hope that the deal can be done. not able to do that, we will bring both to the house to see it supported. that decision of the opposition is willing to do so. i am sure there will be a lot of technical questions.
those are the choices. acceptable one is to form a majority to ratify the withdrawal agreement. work and doinue to everything we can to do that. i think that is what is right and in the national interest. what we do is continue our preparations. i have just been asked about those in relation to these contracts. we are reviewing contingency planning that has taken place in relation to know deal. -- no deal. those contracts were a vital contingency measure.
they included early termination fees to ensure we would not have to pay the full contract costs. >> to cancel the contracts? >> less than it would to carry on running them. can you confirm that? abouthink we are talking the question of cost. the point i just made is an important one. combined termination costs for the operators is substantially than recent estimates of termination costs. it is lower than keeping those contracts on. i'm sure everyone would agree that we have to have decisions that are best. theoes that mean that
government has now accepted that there won't be a no deal brexit? might you have to stand up the ?ontracts again p.m. may: we want to leave the european union with a deal. but it is not entirely in the hands of the government. parliament has to ratify an agreement that enables us to leave with a deal. parliament has not been able to do that. and has not been able to accept no deal. that 31st oft to dealer date without a ratified and without having left the european union, i hope we don't come to that position, it would not simply be the decision
of the government what happened. point, were there to be a request for a further extension, that would be within hands of the european union as well. >> you referred to the talks of the opposition. if they cannot meet an agreement, you will put a number of options to the house. will this include an option for a customs union? >> we would want this to be a process with which we have discussed. we would discuss with them the options that would be put before the house. >> would it include a customs in? p.m. may: one of the discussions we have been having, and i've said this publicly as well, is the whole question about customs arrangements. various terms are used in relation to customs.
sometimes people use different terms to mean the same thing. what i think would be important when we come to that process is that anything that is put before the house, and customs union , is been before the house would hope we could get an agreement with the opposition. >> could include a second referendum? p.m. may: that is a question of a different order. it is not a question of the substance of the deal that would be required to ratify it. that is about process. in relation to an issue. as we know, there are differences in opinion to a second referendum. >> people say it is a perfectly coherent proposition. do you agree? p.m. may: it is been put by
members of the house and elsewhere. about a second referendum is that we should get on with delivering the first referendum. that is what people wanted to do. that is what people expect us to do. that is what the government at the time of the referendum said we would do. -- >> can you confirm who leads those investigations for the u.k. side? we would have a different arrangement for the negotiations. most likely it would be led by the secretary of state. if i can just explain, obviously the next stage of negotiations, phase two, includes a wide range of issues. look at be necessary to the matters involved. there are security aspects.
those who areat experts who are well-versed in this. >> what would be the role of you are your successor? the secretary of state would operate accordingly as policies are set by the government. there would be a role for the cabinet. >> is the government ready for the negotiation? a month agonced that the government was setting up an expert advisory group with technical experts in trade and customs. has that been established? p.m. may: there is various work that needs to be done. some in relation to work we will to looking at alternative arrangements to the backs -- backstop.
to extend the input we had on these matters. we reference experts notches on trade and government but that her interaction with government and trade unions. took the government over a year to figure out what to ask for in the negotiations. i'm try to establish if the government is ready to face these negotiations if we get to that point. you have announced you want to set up a group of technical experts. has it been established? over aid not take us year to decide what we would ask for a negotiations. i set out the guidelines in early 2017. in the flesh that out letter triggering article 50. we had discussions on the withdrawal agreement and that
arrangements with the european union. you will see a great deal in their from the government's point of view. also that whole issue is one that is for further discussion. >> are you concerned finally that time is being lost, because with every month of extension of article 50, that is a month off the transition period. >> if the house of commons had voted the way i did we would no longer be a member of the
european union. >> prime minister, good afternoon. >> the question is whether the civil service is preparing for leaving without a deal, as you have confirmed that that still as aefault legal position matter of fact, the moment which extended waswas when you accepted the extension offered, that's correct isn't it? prime minister may: the first extension was obviously -- yes. >> that is when article 50 was extended. >> yes. parliamentnot when subsequently change the si changing the date.
thee minister may: changing date was necessary to ensure that u.k. domestic law was in line with international law. >> so in the government's response to my committees inquiry into the status of resolutions of the house of commons, the government said motions lacksuch statutory force and a mere motion cannot be used to change the law, compel the government to legislate or tell ministers how to perform a statutory function. so whatever the political pressures that have been on you on the 29th of march, your were and are no legally binding obligation of any kind to accept exception, where you? thee minister may: government took a decision that it was right and appropriate that time to accept that extension. that was, as you know, a limited
extension, and that was done with the expectation, or the intent of trying to ensure that in at space-time were able to ensure that we could leave with the deal. as i indicated earlier, it is the government position, the best options in the united kingdom and our national interest is to leave with the deal. >> at the subsequent summit, you made the same choice without any legal obligation to do so. prime minister may: there was an obligation. it had passed legislation that require government to ask for an extension. >> would cry the government to seek an extension but it didn't require you to accept any terms that were offered, and that's what you did. prime minister may: there was a significant discussion on the you counsel and i did accept the terms that were offered. there were crucial elements that we insisted on our make clear that we want to see.
i think the facts that the house of commons had actually not just -- your first question referenced a motion of the house of commons. it wasn't just a motion of the house of commons, was an act of parliament that was passed requiring the government to seek an extension and setting certain parameters for that extension. seekt you were obliged to an extension but you were obliged to accept an extension. i think if one is obliged to seek an extension, the expectation is one is going to accept an extension. that, because the implication to your question is this. we said we were going to ask for an extension to the 30th of june. with the european council had come back with an extension to the 30 of june, the location of the question is a should of said no. i don't think that is quite how one behaves.
it you take it vice of the attorney general your under a no obligation to accept any extension. the point is this, under what conditions would you be prepared to set aside the pressures your under in order to deliver the referendum and exercise your legal right to refuse a further extension under article 50? prime minister may: i want us to leave the european union. i been working first to leave the european union. i have voted consistently in parliament for us to leave european union as everybody in parliament -- had everybody in parliament voted the same way, we would no longer be a member of the european union. >> i take that to mean that you are not going to contemplate leaving the european union of your own choice without a withdrawal agreement. prime minister may: i'm making a very simple point.
i am answering the question the way in which i choose to answer it. the point is very simple. i stand by the references i've made in the past that no deal is better than a bad deal, but i actually happen to think that we have a good deal. when i first made that reference, i was talking in the abstract. it was in lancaster house. innow are no longer talking the abstract. were talking against the background of a negotiated deal, hard-fought, which i believe is a good deal for the united kingdom. aat's why it remains government's position that we will continue to work to leave with a deal. >> if the house of commons blunts to approve the withdrawal agreement, and declines to prove leaving without a deal, your choice will be remain in the european union indefinitely. prime minister may: i do not
believe we should remain in the european union indefinitely. that is why i want to see the house of commons agree -- not to leave without a deal, we will stay, while we? prime minister may: i will be care that i believe it is the best option for the united kingdom is to leave with a deal. that's we are continuing to work for. >> one final question. helped the house of commons already by publishing a withdrawal agreement? prime minister may: we will publish the withdrawal agreement bill will have completed the work we are doing on the withdrawal agreement bill. >> what is going to change in the bill? it has more or less been the same since you agree it at the end of last year. prime minister may: we have already seen a number of things that of change at need to be reflected in the was all agreement bill. that havethe issues
been agreed with the european union and the commitments the government has given. for example, i've already referenced one, there also ,ommitments that we have given it is not the case, the with work -- withdrawal agreement bill being presented to parliament today, there will be changes. >> is unusual for the government to publish draft bills and introduce a bill that is different or amended. would that help the house of commons a great deal for you to publish a withdrawal agreement now? prime minister may: when we do so having considered all the issues that are changed since the withdrawal agreement in and whenof last year, we are able to enable the house to have proper consideration of that bill.
>> continuing the theme of legislative provisions -- i want to leave the e.u., prime minister. why don't you get on with it and bring on the commencement order to staff and that won't be a bad way to begin. what you claim that you carried out the referendum that in leaving the e.u., and our manifesto, when the withdrawal agreement legally required united kingdom citizens, businesses, and workers, to obey laws made by the choices of the 27 other member states, gives the u.k. courts the right to override united kingdom act of parliament's undermines the constitutional status of northern ireland, and thereby undermines our national interest. i have you repeatedly and again today said that what you're doing with the withdrawal agreement is in the national interest. in most obviously is not. prime minister may: you said at
the beginning of your question, upset so i just have that i want to delete -- to leave the european union that i should get on with it. i have been trying to get on with it. i voted three times for withdrawal agreement that would have enabled us to ratify that so that we could leave the european union. repeat that had the first meaningful book on through the we could have gotten the they just laois and three and been out already. i do not accept the description that you have given as the position the united kingdom will proposedlowing the future relationship that we are negotiating. i could go through the specific issues if you like, but it's not the case, it's very clear something case of going to see the continued -- i called on you to resign the other day and have come you said
the withdrawal agreement was a good deal for the united kingdom, but how can it be so when it deliberately undermines ?he repeal of the european to of 1972 it shackles us all e.u. treaties and laws. your 108 promises not to extend the time have been overridden by what many regard as an unlawful instrument that is now before the joint committee. you gave instructions to conservative mps to defeat my amendment in the bill which would have stopped our taking bart in the european elections. european unione withdrawal act and we agree about this, if nothing else, that i put an enormous amount of time and effort, as we all did, and getting that withdrawal act the 26th of june,
2018. that would have taken is out of the e.u.. not this withdrawal agreement. furthermore, why have you gone back on the 1972 act? prime minister may: first of -- we've had the exchange about the 1972 act on the floor of the house. act that has already been passed does repeal the 1972 act, but what we have negotiated within the withdrawal agreement is that implementation or transition period as it is referred to in the documentation of a time of and to the end december 2020, and during that time, yes, we will be continuing to operate very much as we do today. member but we a
would continue to operate as we do today and within necessary to reintroduce certain elements. >> we will have laws passed upon us but what he seven other member states without our involvement, taken behind closed givenwithout being transcripts. first ofister may: all, if you look at the time tables that are taking place in relation to directive from the european union, i think that with your experience, i'm sure you know that it isn't the case at you suddenly get a lot of lost passed by the european union within what would effectively be 12 months. secondly, what we're talking about is the implementation period. were talking about a transition that enables people to be up to have a smooth and order the exit at the point at which we leave,
that gives businesses in absolutes certainty about the basis on which they will be operating at that point in time, and gives in the time to prepare for the future relationship that would obviously be negotiated during that time. >> i don't agree. >> the committee has recommended on 61 occasions that the government reverses original proposal from a negative procedure to an affirmative procedure. i'm grateful for that cooperation. when a committee of the house has said that they want something to change, the committee has been willing to change it. in your view now, as far as you are concerned, is it your view
that it is impossible for us to leave without a deal? prime minister may: what i think is that parliament will act to make it -- to insist that the u.k. government is not willing to leave without a deal. as i said, actually leaving without a deal is not entirely in the hands of the u.k. government because the issue of extension to article 50 rests with the whole of the european sitting around that table. the fact that the bill that was passed i did not support, but your deal as prime minister , and theou have to future prime minister, would have to ensure a deal to satisfy the house of commons. prime minister may: the house of commons has expressed its view.
is the same view the government has in terms of -- we believe this deal is the best route for the united kingdom. >> you have said in the past that leaving would no deal is better than leaving with a bad deal. you believe the negotiators will , a deal thatment is in the best interest of the united kingdom as a whole. that is the view of a lot of business leaders in industry as well. i would pressure you to reconsider the publication of the withdrawal agreement bill foruse it isn't uncommon governments to make lots of amendments during the passage of a bill. i think the fact that one could amendments is not really a good reason not to publish it. i think i would ask you to frustration- the
not only across the house of commons but i also think across the country is just exactly where we're going, in the direction of travel. that is what i've inferred from people i speak to. hopefully we will know the outcome of the cross party talks soon. they do seem to have been going on almost as long as the original discussions. hopefully we will know that in the next week or so. thank you very much. you, good afternoon, prime minister. you mention workers rights in your earlier statement. do you think they go far enough in terms of protecting and enhancing workers rights? prime minister may: i think it is important that we have within
our legislation the commitment that we've given within the withdrawal agreement about nonaggression in terms of workers rights. , actually thisw government, this country has workers in many areas, it has that are provided by the european union legislation. obviously the issue of workers rights is one that has been raised with us by members across the house but particularly by the official opposition. it's why of the issues we will look at to see whether -- how we can ensure commitments that have given by the government on workers rights can be enshrined and clear for the future. >> if we look at section one of the drop clause as it only applies to relevant bills, who would decide what is relevant?
one of theter may: issues we are trying to ensure is that there sufficient capability for parliament to be ,ver to look at these issues and the question that when there is any change in the european government making the statement as to whether or not we believe it is an enhancement are not, in parliament than having opportunity to give its opinion on that, but getting that balance in government and parliament right that will be one of the issues that will be debated when we do come to the withdrawal agreement bill. >> my understanding is it only committed the government to make . statement on new bills it is still quite wishy-washy.
i think theer may: intent is that government would be able -- would be making clear to parliament weather in his view in decisions that have been taken in the european union in relation to workers rights were an enhancement of workers rights , or what the interaction with , but i'mlegislation happy to look at the specific points that you have raised about the language within the clause. >> as the proposals are currently formatted it does look as it's just consultations on the court. i'm just concerned that we can go much further if we tighten up the language. prime minister may: we are certainly looking at what it would be proper to put in legislation on this issue. once again i'm happy to take those points.
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