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>> good morning. we were informed an hour and a half ago by the attorney for the investors the state department would refuse to allow him to testify today. this was after conversations well into yesterday afternoon and evening with the state department legal advisor where there was no indication the ambassador would be a no-show. not only is congress being deprived of his testimony, the people are being deprived of his testimony. we are aware the ambassador has text messages or emails on a personal device which was provided to the state department, although we requested this, the state department is withholding those messages. those messages are deeply relevant to this investigation and the impeachment inquiry. i want to explain for the public the significance of this witness and significance of the decision evidently by the secretary of state and president or both to this key witness's testimony today.
we know from the text messages the investor was in discussion with ukrainian counterparts, with fellow diplomatic personnel and the president, as well as a -- at least when u.s. senator about the events we are investigating. we know diplomatic personnel raised concerns with him, that military assistance was being withheld a secure help from ukraine in the present's election campaign. the ambassador had one discussion with a fellow diplomat on the very subject of why military assistance was being withheld. the ambassador was a key player in efforts to obtain a commitment from ukraine to investigate a bogus conspiracy theory about the 2016 election, as well as joe biden and his
son. we know the ambassador has relevant evidence that ukrainian -- really sought -- was being conditioned on these investigations the president believed would help his reelection campaign. it is hard to overstate the significance of the testimony and the documents, but the testimony of others as well. the failure to produce this witness, to produce these documents, we consider yet additional strong evidence of obstruction of the constitutional functions of congress, a coequal branch of government. there are four issues we are looking at, all go to the heart of national security. by preventing us from hearing from the witness and obtain documents the president and secretary of state are taking actions that prevent us from getting the facts needed to protect the nation's security.
clear looking into whether the president solicited foreign help in a u.s. presidential election again. we are looking into the issue of whether a meeting ukraine test -- desperately sought with the president of the white house was being conditioned on the willingness of ukraine to investigate this bogus conspiracy theory about 2016 and investigate the bidens. we are looking at whether ukraine was given a reason to believe that military assistance it desperately needed to fight off the russians was being withheld until the make commitments to do these political investigations for the president. and we are looking into the question of whether there has been an effort by the president and secretary of state and others to cover up this misconduct. ambassador sondland is an important witness on each of these subjects. he is not the only important
witness. we will consider this act today. we have had members flying in from around the country to hear the ambassador's testimony, as well as withholding of the ambassador's documents and efforts that may be made to discourage or have the effect of discouraging other witnesses from coming forward to testify as they have agreed to to be further accented obstruction of a coequal branch of government. this is one of the few impeachment inquiries in our country. he goes to the core of whether the president abused his office to seek political help in his reelection campaign, and did so to the detriment of our nation's security. did so by effectively coercing a country that has been invaded by russia to investigate a rival and condition the relationship between this country and that country on whether they're were willing to play ball. that is the gravity of the
issues we are investigating and the impeachment inquiry inquiry is looking into. it is hard to imagine a set of facts more damaging to our standing in the world, but also more of a fundamental breach of the president's oath of office. the american people have the right to know that the president is acting in their interests, in the nation's interest with an eye towards national security and not his narrow personal political interests. they have a right to know. the american people have a need to know. through this impeachment inquiry we are determined to find the answers.
thank you. reporter: [indiscernible] your office's first contact with the whistleblower? >> um, we understand the reason why the state department decided not to have ambassador sondland appear today. it is based on the unfair and partisan process that mr. schiff has been running. you think about what the democrats are trying to do. impeach the president of the united states 13 months prior to an election based on an anonymous whistleblower with no first-hand knowledge with a bias against the president. the guy running the process, chairman schiff, did not tell the whistleblower prior to the whistleblower filing the complaint. adam schiff, the way he treated ambassador volcker in the interview last week, that
treatment is the reason why the administration said we will not subject ambassador sondland to the same treatment. we were looking forward to hearing from the ambassador. we thought he would reinforce what ambassador volcker told us. when give a speaker who says we need to strike while the iron is hot, when a chairman of the committee is so bias against this president that he would not even tell us he met with his staff and that with the whistleblower prior to the whistleblower filing a claim. this is a pattern with mr. schiff. he did the same thing. michael cohen. he did not tell us his staff met with him hours to prior to mr. cohen testifying. last summer, he met with mr. simpson in colorado. this is a pattern. we were hoping to hear from the ambassador today. we are to stand exactly why the administration and the state department have chosen to say if
it's going to be this kind of process, selectively leak text messages, 67 pages we had. they take a handful and release it to you and not give it full context or transcript, we understand why they made this decision at this moment. reporter: ambassador sondland says he is disappointed he was not allowed to attend this deposition today. >> we wish he would've been able to testify but we understand why the administration made the decision they did. when you have a chairman release certain parts of what was said in a closed-door interview and not release the entire transcript and give a context, you can see why they didn't want to subject ambassador sondland to the same kind of treatment. reporter: is that more reason why he should be allowed to testify in answer questions? >> ambassador volcker was clear. why not release the transcript you can see what investor volcker told us? there is no wrongdoing.
he was completely no quid pro quo. on the call, no quid pro quo. the democratic chairman said no quid pro quo. adam schiff continues to have this bias against the president. >> i do believe we will get to hear from the ambassador but only when there is a fair process. this is not a fair process. we spent more time with ambassador volcker than adam schiff did. you may have noticed he came out here to the press. he gave this benign thing and raced off to a fundraiser. this has to be a fair process. when you have a press release being drafted by our democratic colleagues cherry picking text
messages when the full text of ambassador volcker's testimony last make -- last week would have been exonerated this president, let's release it. i'm all for bringing the ambassador in, but only after we released the full -- reporter: are you concerned about the president asking a foreign government to investigate joe biden, and the president saying china should investigate joe biden. do any of you have concerns about that? >> the president is doing his job. when you are talking about the hard-earned tax dollars of the american people going to wake foreign government, the president will make sure there is no corruption. he is doing his job, his duty as the president. i don't have a concern about. -- i don't have a concern about it. reporter: [indiscernible] >> we will see.
>> we would like to see the volcker testimony release before we continue the depositions and transcribed interviews. what we see in this impeachment is a kangaroo court. chairman shift is acting like a -- chairman schiff is acting like a malicious captain kangaroo. he lied about meeting with the whistleblower prior to the whistleblower's ultimate writing of their complaint. we would like to unpack the last set of lies regarding the volcker testimony for go to the next set of lies on sondland her any further witnesses. reporter: [indiscernible] >> we think there are real concerns. you have done some reporting on that. we think there are real concerns that hopefully over time they -- the american people will be able to see. we can't get really into that but we have real concerns. reporter: [indiscernible] >> i think the american people have a right to know who the
whistleblower is. reporter: why would the state department cancel this deposition a few hours before it was set to begin, after ambassador sondland had already flown here from brussels? >> the hope we would have the volcker testimony released. >> the max amount of time to release the testimony from last week. we have the information and we know in good faith they will release the testimony for the mac and people to see as opposed to parsing out little pieces that support their narrative that if they are willing to do that, i think the administration is willing to do more. it will be a one-sided deal -- >> you guys are journalists. is there a single journalist here the doesn't want to see the full transcript of ambassador volcker's testimony? i agree, and the american people agree with you. let them judge for themselves. that is what we need to do. reporter: [indiscernible]
>> you mean adam schiff made the argument? reporter: i am putting it out there for you to respond. there's an argument against releasing -- >> i have not heard that argument. >> there is an argument against transparency? there was an argument -- hold on a second. there was an argument in favor of cherry picking selective releases of texts. there's an argument in favor of only telling the american public what is best in the interest of wanting to take out a sitting -- take down a sitting president. maybe you should ask what was said inside volcker's deposition during his interview with regards to adam schiff's fairytale quid pro quo charge that aid from the united states to ukraine was being released with the investigation to the bidens.
what did ambassador volcker say about that? i am glad you asked that question. the reason the question was so important for you to ask is because he was in this room for several hours. during several hours of testimony he talked about how president zelinski had no idea there was a hold on aid on the july 25 call. ambassador volcker testified at the readouts of the phone call made him, he asked there was nothing about there being a hold on u.s. aid or a quid pro quo. i am glad we were having this discussion. the next day ambassador volcker met with president zelinski. in that meeting there was no reference to a quid pro quo, or president zelinski having any idea there was a hold on aid. oh over the course of the next several weeks engaging with ukraine. ukraine makes no reference to a hold on aid or quid pro quo. by the way, yeah what else ambassador volcker testified to. the aid was getting released. it was going to get released. guess what happened. the aid got released.
there was no new investigation that had to be created. this whole thing is a fairytale. adam schiff is misleading you and you are playing along with it. many of you are at the rec and public is being deceived. what adam schiff said that president trump was asking president zelinski to manufacture dirt on the bidens, investor volcker testified that was absolutely untrue. that is what we call an inconvenient fact for the narrative. adam schiff has been saying he had no contact with the whistleblower. he would like to but he did not have contact. he lied. you know what else he lied about? when he gave his opening statement before the acting director of national intelligence as to what was what the transcribed interview said. going back to ambassador volcker's interview in the
process, we were here ready to do our part. if anyone is going to testify behind us closed doors we will make sure we are there to ensure guess what? thursday, not there you would not have any idea of what ambassador volker said. as far as the administration goes, if they don't want to send [indiscernible] there has not been a vote to launch an impeachment inquiry. because the president doesn't have a right to have counsel present, subpoena power, to present evidence. this entire thing is a political charade. we will be ready for whoever is testifying, but we have to be here. all adam schiff has to do is
release that transcribed interview. he won't because it destroys his narrative. that is what we heard over several hours. , they had a back-and-forth. they played a clip [indiscernible] sayinghey are basically you didn't hear what they said, right? they had this back-and-forth, basically dumbing down their audience. what isn't point out is that jerry conley was the last person to show up from the one to leave, instantly. he wasn't there for anything. what is important is we are here. we can answer any questions you want us to what ambassador testified to. many of you aren't asking the most important questions, such
as what did you hear last thursday that we don't know about? adam schiff won't tell you. >> the president, the white house has refused to hand over documents. now the administration is blocking a key interview. doesn't that imply there is something to hide? >> [indiscernible] i don't think anyone can say better than he just said it. >> [indiscernible] we would saying encourage adam schiff to run a fair process. >> [indiscernible] which americans would go on trial without counsel? couple of take a more. >> that is the next step. >> [indiscernible] >> that is nancy pelosi's call.
she is the one that wants to strike while the iron is hot. >> i would probably vote against that. >> [indiscernible] >> [indiscernible] section about congressional -- does that impact the credibility of the whistleblower? >> absolutely. >> i know there has been reporting. >> [indiscernible] >> yeah, and i think that is a big problem. that is a big problem. there was a preliminary investigation by the inspector general that brought this forward. >> that is a federal -- >> big problem. >> -- perjury. >> i think the american people have a right to know who this whistleblower is. >> [indiscernible] i am saying is i think it is appropriate for the american people to know who is the person behind this charge, removing the
president of the united states 13 months before an election. i think american people have a right to know. >> i think it is important to point out that you all know the american public knows more than the whistleblower does, so this whole thing about what does the whistleblower know, we are telling you that they now know less than you all know, so we should be talking about what we know now and how to go forward. you know what else jim jordan pointed out? how we showed up on thursday. adam schiff started by, the ground rules with this be a staff-lead, transcribed interview. it was not until jim jordan pushed back that adam schiff said he would allow members to ask questions, but he was strongly discouraging members from asking questions. schiffas so bad for adam -- 25 minutes [indiscernible] when they start to look at this, why?
because ambassador volker is not giving them the answers they were leading ambassador volker to conclude. i can tell you this is nothing more -- you know, adam schiff talked about four acts. you know what? there are four acts. the first, second, third has already reached a conclusion for adam schiff. let the american people decide what the final act will be, because when the truth comes out , you will see this president to try told aid influence a foreign country to do anything. >> [indiscernible] out isimportant to point another show put up on sunday [indiscernible] taylor.l thatshow did not follow with the response that absolutely says unequivocally there is no quid pro quo.
furthermore, what that show did not say after that is the context from ambassador volker's transcripts with regards to bill taylor's text. if we had the transcribed interview, but we will tell you now -- he said it because he read a political story and wanted to get the aid to ukraine released. he saw a political story and was concerned, then he was corrected , but why is it the coverage is always [indiscernible] and not showing the response correcting it, and not provide any context whatsoever? . am pissed our congress, all across the country, people are watching this who are disgusted how 2019 we not working together to pass usmca next week? we know it will grow jobs come
increase investment in the united states, that it. gdp.at it would increase why are not we working together on a bipartisan process -- in the past, all these different priorities [indiscernible] republicans and democrats, conservatives, liberals. it is off to a piece in enraged liberal activist based insist on impeaching, opposing, and obstructing anything and everything. we are as a country being held hostage by a few members of congress who have leveraged congressional primaries against a democratic leadership and committee chairs [indiscernible] their colleagues in their own the base isand preventing us from standing here , for all of us to spend 100% of our energy working together in order to pass bipartisan
important priorities for our countries. if we sound like we are pissed, it is because we are. the american people are getting screwed by a base. they don't care with the facts are coming with the evidences. >> [indiscernible] >> thank you, guys. thank you. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] announcer: c-span recently set down for conversations with a pair of democratic presidential candidates. wednesday at 10:00 a.m. eastern, we will show you [indiscernible] and billionaire tom steyer. conversationshose wednesday at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. c-span's campaign 2020 coverage continues, as president trump hosts a keep
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