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ethics fail. >> finally a publication for kids sick of doing their own thing and just want to conform to conservative ideals. >> in the famous words of chenk uygur, it's go time! >> welcome to the young turks. weaver been covering the treyvon martin case and continue doing it today. we've taken a very close look at the video surveillance tapes. you see here, this is zimmermanette getting out of the car on february 25 the night of the shooting, walking out a man who says he was beaten up, bloody nose. you see a police officer looking at his head. this is not someone broken down,
beaten up, cannot move, no grass stains. no soil on his body. this is not somebody in his defense according to his friends and father who said was beaten up. this does not look like someone beaten up. he is walking going to what he thought was probably his arrest, what we think should have been his arrest but no, he was released a little bit later. this is the kind of video that makes you think wait a second, if this guy is telling this story and this is his defense how in the world can we think that this is somebody who's not guilty? this is not a beaten man not someone down on the ground struggling and fighting, but you did see a little bit of a police hesitating look at the back of his head. so msnbc has done a slow down version where you can see a little bit. if you look closely you're going to see that yes there's
maybe a little bit of a cut. this is not somebody bleeding profusely. you cannot see a broken nose. this is msnbc's enhanced coverage. >> within the past hour, nbc zoomed in on the video to get a better view of whether zimmerman had the injuries that he and his torn have described. his attorney has said trayvon martin broke zimmerman's nose. a newspaper is also reporting martin repeatedly smashed zimmerman's head into the pavement. martin's family says the video proves their son did not attack george zimmerman, because according to them, they don't see any injuries. >> you don't see injuries. yes, we see a mark, a police officer pause but you don't see any kind of injuries that means this person needs to pull out a gun and shoot. the lawyer for trayvon martin and the martin family had something to say about that, as well. >> when you look at that video with your eyes and you listen to
the 911 tapes that we had to sue for, everybody in america now sees that that police report was a fabrication. george zimmerman doesn't exhibit a broken nose. he doesn't exhibit blood on the back of his head. he doesn't exhibit his clothes messed up. american can judge for themselves. >> you don't see anything that means this is somebody who is beaten up and afraid for his life. robert zimmerman is a former judge, george zimmerman's father and his mother a former court clerk. they actually, what are they going to say? they are going to say the this is what my son said, this is what happened, i'm a judge can look at it from the point of view as a judge and father. he says to fox news in orlando a totally different story. let's listen to what robert
zimmerman said when asked about george zimmerman? >> after nearly a minute of being beaten, gorge was trying to get his head off the concrete, trying to move with trayvon on him into the grass. in doing so, his firearm was shown. trayvon martin said something to the effect of you're going to die now or you're going to die tonight, something to that effect. he continued to beat george, and at some point george pulled his pistol and did what he did. >> again now you have robert zimmerman talking about his son. robert zimmerman is a judge he's been in courtrooms all his life. he knows how to talk about this issue and is a father. he's going to talk about it in that way.
he was obscured for threats on his life and we understand that. i'm joined now by two gentlemen who are going to help us take this apart. we have tom messarau and david a video forensic experts. tom, when you see this kind of a video as somebody who has defended some major criminals and probably some minor ones, when you see something like this. >> alleged criminals. >> i'm clearly not a lawyer, what do you gasoline from his demeanor when you see zimmerman? >> when you first look at the tape without enhancement or slow motion or any magnification, you don't see much evidence of injury at all. you don't see anything on his head or face, you don't see blood on his shirt or on any police officer's shirt. at first blush this tape does not seem to help the defense of
mr. zimmerman at all. >> you do see a cut but you say it doesn't help his defense what could be a cut. >> you see what could be a cut. you don't see a cut that you would automatically assume reflects enough violence to justify deadly force to take a gun and shoot a young person dead. you don't see that at all. >> david you brought to us a new tape. i want you to tell us what this tape is and what it shows. we're going to look at it right now on the screen. >> they were showing it just now. this is i just saw off of you tube literally 15 minutes ago and newly uploaded by the city there, and it shows in much greater detail the entrance as he's being escorted, mr. zimmerman, into the police station. often what happens in these cases is people are jumping to conclusions way before we can analyze all the evidence. so what we're seeing is the first that was uploaded was low
resolution. if you study i had you can't see the details necessarily that you need to see. >> this is it is first tape now that we already saw. >> correct. it looks to me like it was shot with another video camera off the computer screen. now i found this other footage that was just uploaded literally just a few minutes ago. this is still the older footage. >> what is it showing in greater detail? >> we're hoping to see as any forensic analyst would do, analyze the back of his head to see if he is telling the truth or can see scars. this is the footage now here. you see in the back of his head he maybe has an injury there that we didn't notice before. >> tom you spent a tremendous amount of time in courtrooms and looked at a lot of video. does the demeanor of the police officer looking at the back of the head, does that give you pause to say ok, he's looking at the back of zimmerman's head
because there's something off with it, he wouldn't be looking if it weren't. >> the police officers are used to so many arrests so many violent and bloody situations, i don't like for the demeanor of a police officer to tell me anything in detaining someone. what i think is important is who was the aggressor. you hear the 911 operator telling zimmerman back off. apparently he did not back off. if he didn't back off and approached this young boy with a gun, maybe the young boy was trying to defend his life against zimmerman. the problem here is the disproportionate use of force because in a situation like this is deadly force. i see nothing on zimmerman that explains why he had a take a gun and shoot a young man to death. >> that's the take away from looking at these videos. you hear zimmerman and supporters have been saying now for a few weeks and this does not refute any of that -- this
refutes all of that, does not support any of that. when you look at video and are you looking at it generally to see how the people around him react or how his, you know, what he's being like. when you see george zimmerman there, aside from the injury and enhancing the video, do you look at the person, how they're behaving? >> it denied depends on the case. the police officers do not look scared of him in any way in fact their backion are turned. that's what i noticed. they are not worried about him doing anything to them. i saw them brush the back of his coat. a police officer rubs his pants showing that he's obviously in some kind of situation on the ground, laying on the ground. >> that's interesting. as people said that, and you know, just looking at it doesn't look wet but that's the kind of thing. i'm not a video expert. you come into the courtroom. >> you look at it over and over again, sometimes for weeks at a time to discover these little
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>> today washington with a vote on ending oil subs decides. the president came out and played politics in the morning trying to win this side of the argument in what i think has to be a winning argument on oil subsidies. in 2005, when we started, we were told it's going to bring oil prices down, increase oil production. has anybody's gas prices gone down? not mine, certainly. let's listen to the president today. >> last year, the three biggest u.s. oil companies took home more than $80 billion in profits. one analysis shows every time gas goes up by a penny these
companies usually pocket another $200 million in quarterly profits. meanwhile, these companies pay a lower tax rate than most other companies on their investments partly because we're giving them billions in tax give aways every year. we should be using that money to double down on investments in clean energy technologies that have never been more promising. >> you listen to the president there and i think this is brilliant politics. we'll be joined by david later to talk about the politics of this, but on the surface, we are giving so much money to the oil companies a the a time when they're giving nothing back to us. they say they're creating jobs, bringing the price of gas down, yet maybe they're creating jobs. the gas prices have continued to go up even though we were promised the opposite. we've been giving $4 billion a
year in oil subsidies taking it from 2005 doing that, projecting over $20 billion over the next 10 years. who does that help? the oil companies. it certainly isn't helping us. we're not realizing what we wanted to by giving subsidies to the oil companies. the top five oil companies have seen $1 trillion in profit between 2001-2011. you look at the petroleum business, but here the oil and gas business, you see them reaping profits like no other business in the country. they are absolutely recession-proof. today, we have a senate vote. what does the u.s. senate do? they march inn lock step and end oil subsidies? no, they vote against the bill
51-47. four democrats joint against we bring in now david shuster. what is the politics? i understand why the president is doing this, getting ahead of it so when they vote it away in congress, he'll say i tried i tried to fight this big oil. >> that's right. this is all about putting certain republicans on record for supporting the oil companies, and again the democrats are, you know a lot of people say the democrats don't know how to play politics. this is evidence to the contrary by have the president use the bully pulpit and remind everybody, the oil companies are reaping profits and by the way here are the republicans in congress that still want to hand them corporate welfare and same republicans who want to protect
tax cuts for the wealthy and cult medicaid and medicare. that's what the democrats are trying to play and it's an effective strategy. >> it has to be and the president is running with popularity right now in terms of who is blaming who on gas prices. there was a cnn poll that showed oil companies are being blamed 55% to 24%. let's listen to senator rand paul talk about this. >> if an industry is successful and creates 9.2 million jobs, instead of punishing them, you should want to encourage them. i would think you would want to say what cob stackles are there to you making more money and hiring more people? instead, they say no, we must punish them. we must tax them more to make things fair. >> i mean when you listen to that david let's actually have them make more money. i don't know who in america is sitting back and saying that.
>> a lot of companies a lot of small businesses don't get subsidies from the federal government. $4 billion that's a drop in the bucket. these oil companies are making so much money and $4 billion is really nothing to them. again, it's a symbolic gesture. the federal government should be wagoning the oil companies off the federal subsidies. it's pretty simple. the fact that rand paul and others are protecting them saying we've got to continue to protect the oil companies they don't need the protection and what the republicans don't need is a democratic opponent this fall saying this senator voted to protect the oil companies and protect the rich while at the same time vowing to cut medicare. that is not a great political position to be in and bravo to the democratics for what they tried to do today. >> a rare moment of brilliance. a drop in the barrel, i think you're ok with drop in the bucket. >> david will be back to discuss further politics with power
panel. when you look at how well it's worked fought or these oil companies, you have to look at the lobbying. the money that has been spent in 2011 alone on lobbying is $148,377,552, right down to the dollar. lobbying is a major part of all this and who do we bring in now but someone who established modern day lobbying, jack abramoff, welcome to the young turks. >> thank you for having me. >> this is again more about the big picture of lobbying. when you sit and you watch the president and you're a lobbyist, what are you thinking right there? what's going through a lobbyist's mind no. >> i actually differ a little bit with the plate well analysis that david gave. i don't think this is necessarily a winning issue on a lobbying point of view for the democrats. when you have the gas prices as
high as they are if i'm an oil lobbyist i'm going to say do you want a tax increase? this is going to drive the prices up. they have a pretty easy field here which is why in a democratic senate they were able to get a majority. it's a tough gig for the other side. >> i want to ask you about the semantics of it saying it's a tax break versus a tax increase. when i decrease subsidies are you reading it as a tex increase? >> i think a lot of the people, conservatives certainly don't view it as a subsidy. they view when a tax is increased that it's a tax increase and what this is from a conservative point of view, all i'm saying now is it's very easy for them to portray this as a tax increase. lobbyists want to go to the thing easily understood and that is very understood in the u.s.
senate and house. >> as a lobbyist, then, if you are going -- it's unpopular now no matter what, the oil industry is not a popular industry with the rest of america. we all go and fill our gas tanks and if we don't, we are paying for more food and taxes and the like and public transport. when you're a lobbyist and have to make this appealing what do you do? it's pretty simple. you say as much as you're paying now, $4 or whatever a gallon, you'll be paying $5 a gallon. it's a very simple move to turn that around. lobbyist needs to gain access, they participate in the fundraising, they participate in taking members of the congress out to events and things like that to get close to them so when the time comes they have to make their case, they're able to get in there and better thanle average citizen is. >> $148 million is a lot of money and you're now trying to
change lobbying in washington the way it's done. you've stab issued it, learned your lessons and want to change it. how hopeful should the average american be that lobbying will change. >> it's the way the congress changes. it can change if people basically pound their heads into it. i am working with the united republic right now working for a program on the left and on the right to go in there and get the special interest money out of politics. it's not just this issue it's every issue. the playing field is in favor of the people with the money. >> and we've seen that. if you want to read more about it jack abramoff's book is called capitol punishment. it's at indybound.com. thank you for enlightening us with this information. good luck also with what you're trying to do. it's very important. >> next, we're going to learn
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newt showed no sympathy at all. >> for me, it was embarrassing to be a john tore. i was poor. i'm always working super hard. i did not feel empowered by my classmates. your remark was offensive toward me. >> well, i'm sorry if you were offended. both of my daughters worked as janitors at the local baptist church and they didn't think the work was demeaning. >> they come from a wealthy family. >> newt seems unmoved, i would say right now. i think he didn't like what the guy said about having been a janitor. newt said his kids were janitors in a church and he said well that's because you're wealthy they had a different experience. the newt janitor thing didn't click with anyone. remember current.comtheyoungturks vote on sarah palin or