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enter the war room with governor jennifer granholm. good night. >> i am nor jennifer granholm. good night. >> i am jennifer granholm. tonight in the war room that crazy money, insane money. >> $3,000,000,000 raised and it's only june. the citizens united ruling has turned political fundraising into a national joke on us. we, the people are in serious danger of having our elections bought and paid for by we the billionaires as in we the coach brothers, as in we the special interests, as in we the few with the most. it's a joke already. anybody feel like laughing?
>> $3,000,000,000 and counting. let me say it again. $3,000,000,000. >> that's how much campaigns, the parties, the pacs, the super p.a.c.s have collected and we have 133 days until the election. now, we all know there has always been a lot of money in politics, but let me say it again. we have five months to go and we are already at the $3 billion mark. this is insane. you know what? we have the supreme court's decision in citizens united to thank for it. tonight's first guest examines the corrupting role that will big money is having on our political system. monica boyerla in. d is the co-editor of mother jones magazine. thank you for coming into the war room tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> you guys have been studying this. the first question i want to ask you: in the evaluation that you have done the republicans often say that well corporations give, yes, but so do unions. the billionaires give. yes, but so do unions.
what is the equivalence of the contributions of unions versus those larger-funded entities? >> well, you know it's true. they do, and it's sort of like saying an elephants is a mammal and so is a mouse. unions do give money. we are just about to release an an sys of outside expends temperatures, the money that doesn't go to candidates directly but spent supposedly independently of the campaigns and union about $10 million to their name which, to you and me is money. but conservative super p.a.c.s have 170 million. >> 10 million to 170 million, 17 to 1. >> that's just the super p.a.c.s. then there is all of these more shadowy groups 501 [ c ] s. those will all be in this. >> this edition of "mother jones." ? >> in this data application capthat
we are about to release that explores the dark money universe and we are literally applying an astronomical metaphor to it because it's like the dark matter in the universe in that you don't see it but it has this massive force on the cell est y'all bodies that you see. >> you have been calling it dark money as a result of that. >> that's the project that mother jones has been working on. so what will people be able to see? scribe the project, itself? >> the project, itself the dark money project, is a long-term reporting project where we have made a priority of studying money that doesn't always show up when political reporters talk about how many obama has raised or how much the democratic party, per se has raised. but it's more, you know karl rove and american crossroads. >> shadowy groups. >> and their satellites. what we are doing is looking at who is giving to them? and what can we learn about who is benefitting? >> hasn't the volume of fundraising with citizens united
has exploded? >> citizens united created this universe. there has been outside spending but this kind of unaccountable, undisclosed money was not seen before. >> just to be clear about it, obviously, democrats are playing this game as well. but the volume on the republican side, when they make this, oh well the unions are doing it, too, one of the things they are trying to do is to shut down the ability for unions to do fund fundraising fundraising? by attacking collective bargaining. is that their effort? >> that's called defunding the left. right? >> e is hessentially what some of this legislation in places like wisconsin is doing that makes it almost impossible for unions to raise money that they can then spend in politics which might be debatable if there were similar limitations on other vested interests. >> right. but there is not. there is nothing you can attack in that same way. just to get at the amount of
time that it takes to raise the money that is necessary, now to come compete, we came across an in interesting stat i69ic. by the middle of this month, president obama held 164 fundraisers for his re-election. if you compare this to george bush in 2004, he had only held 86, which sounds still like a lot. and this is the jaw dropper. president reagan had held just three fundraisers between -- in 1983 and '84 when he was up for reelection. how could possibly a president be able to fully govern when they are faced with the tsunami of money coming as a result of the citizens united case? and do their job? >> exactly. right. just the amount of time that it takes to be in the room to schmoose donors to prepare and schedule and the same is true for elected representatives. we have a figure in our last issue. we calculated how much money per hour your basic member congress has to raise. and our california senator
barbara boxer had had to raise $2,004,044 an hour if they were working -- 2,444 an hour and on top of that she has to do her job. >> it's a depressing thing, a motive avian thing to see if we can get change. thank you for coming in monika. >> that's mother jones, the co-editor and a special project which you should turn to. now for another view we are going to go to las vegas of all places and norm ornstein, co author of the book "it's even worse than it looks" thank you for coming back inside the war room? >> right from las vegas where i am embarrassed to say, jennifer i am staying at a hotel owned by sheldon adelson. it wasn't my choice. i will tell you i am not going to spend a dime there that i don't have to. >> all right. well, i am just so depressed to
hear this, norm? >> there aren't too many places you can stay here that aren't owned by him. >> or donald trump. anyway, norm i know that you obviously looked at this a lot as well. i am beginning to sound like a broken record but it's so important at that people know that five months until election day and $3,000,000,000 has been raced. so you have studied this. tell us why this is bad for our political system. >> the level of corruption that this is bringing already, jennifer, to start with is astonishing and that justice anthony kennedy wrote a decision in citizens united that said: what could be corrupting about independent expenditures and money that is raised and spent that's independent of the candidate was, itself a level of naivte that shows he livers in a different planet than anybody in the real world. when you have the pressure to raise money not just against an
opponent and not just to raise money as now people have to do in our tribal era for the team but knowing that you could face if you are a member of the house or senate some alien predator group, you won't even know who they are pair ashooting in behind your lines with three weeks to go, spending $20 million to slime you and you have to raise it in increments of $2,500 you are left in a position where if anybody comes to you and says, you know, if you don't vote for this amendment, i will spend that 20 million, you are going to say, where do i sign up? >> uh-huh. >> you won't have to have the money spent. so you put that together with the time pressures that you have just been talking about for funneled raising what a president has to do and the ability of a billion air, in effect, to totally kill the system in a particular direction to fit his or her interests and it is depressing and frightening at the same time. >> yeah, and so you use the word
"corruption." finance, it can be used in a broad sense or in a narrow like this is illegal and you will be criminally prosecuted sense. what do you define as "corruption"? >> of course what's happened now is that things that ought to be illegal are legal, and it's the old saw that it's not what's illegal that matters. it's what's legal that should not be. so the idea that you can wreck, even implicitly members of the legislature or members of an executive branch with mayhem if they don't bend to your will. the example we saw in north carolina of agricultural interests going into members of the north carolina legislature with ipads showing them the kind of commercials that they would run to destroy these members if they didn't vote for the for agriculture bill that may be legal, but it's wrong. and if you take somebody like sheldon adelson who has interests not just here in las
vegas but an enormous set of interests in makaw and china and sangapore and the idea that justice alit 0 praised in the state of the union message that it's not true that foreign interests could be involved here reflects another level of naivete. >> sheldon adelson was seeking a law to allow his business to occur in china. >> he has some interests in at a time chinese government operating in a fashion that meets his liking as well. i am not saying that he is out there bribing people. but if he does have a point of view and an interest and he puts hundreds of millions of dollars into promoting a candidate or a party and he calls up can you imagine that a president or a senator won't take that phone call before other phone calls? >> for sure. for sure. so yesterday, i know that you
were following this too, of course the supreme court decided not to take up the case out of montana. the state of montana had made specific findings that the amount of money that was being used for their state politics gave the appearance, if not the actual practice of corruption. and yet the united states supreme court has decided to ignore that. is there anything that can be done to limit dirty money now that the supreme court has basically washed its hands of its decision. >> i go around the country and people ask: what are the, you know, handful of things we could do? one thing i could say is let's get a generous retirement funneled for justice anthony kennedy. beyond that, we have a couple of avenues. first it's not just the supreme court. it is an internal revenue service that has not enforced its own regulations about the 501 cs that are hiding donors. and, you know, we know some of the money that's going in.
people like adelson announced that they are contributing a certain sum. who knows what other money is going in being hidden away? we need to change the federal election commission and there, the president has the responsibility i believe, to replace five members of the fec whose terms have expired. we to get something like the disclose act. disclosure is not a remedy but without it we are in more dire shape. >> norm what's the hang up on the replacing of the sec members if the president has the power to do so? >> you know i am afraid a part of it, jennifer is that the leaders of both parties like to have their representatives representing their interests on the fec but mitch mcconnell has made it clear he will go to con one if the president tries to tamper with the fec. and i think my response to that is: how would that be different than how he is behaving now?
>> that's for sure. >> call that bluff and make that change. >> so i agree with you on that. but just to set this out for our viewers, in your analysis of the lay of the land which affected campaign finance do the candidates with more money always win? >> no. they don't. and, of course we have had a number of self-financed candidates including in california a couple of them running for governor who didn't make it. you can have a lot of money and you can run a lousy campaign. but that doesn't mean that money doesn't matter and in particular, if you are going beyond the candidate and my nightmare this time around is you have outside groups that will put many billions more in and they can roadblock all of the television time in the prime spotstiously freeze out the candidates and drown out the messages that are coming. when i hear these pious figures saying this is all about freedom
and people can -- voters can judge the different messages they hear if i've got a 50-foot high speakers that can blast through a stadium, and you are talking in your normal tone of voice, that's not allowing people to hear different messages and weigh them. and that's where the money can make a difference this time. and it's where you tilt the playing field in a fashion that is unlike anything we have seen in our lifetimes. >> well norm i really appreciate, as always, you coming inside the war room. one of our favorite guests norm ornstein clar at the american enterprise institute. for a candidate, fundraising is a necessary evil. trust me that is the polite way to describe it. i want to share with you my little secret and experiences about that after the break. and then here is something you don't get to say every day, the senate worked out a compromise. imagine that. senator jack reed of rhode island will give us the latest on the student loan deal in the senate. and later, from fruited fields
this is new york. hey little guy, wake up! aw, come off it mate! geico. saving people money on more than just car insurance. >> now to my point: we talk a lot about the flew of money in politics. it is the defining issue of this era, but in case you need one more reason to loathe the flood of money in politics let me offer a different perspective, which is that of a politician. it may be easy to assume that politicians actually love being showered in money. but here is a secret. the truth is most of us hate it. hate it. candidates, of course, almost always enter politics with this high-minded notion of changing the world. but whether their race is local or statewide or national they have to spend hours upon hours every single day raising the
money to run. you may not think that's a big deal, but i am telling you it is all-consuming. even the most jaded among you would be shocked to know how much time it takes to raise the money necessary to win an election. and it's worse than you think. today, president obama said his entire -- spent his entire day raising money at five -- five fundraisers. he is the incumbent. >> that's a whole day that could have been spent on more important priorities like well just about anything. he is about to be outspent 10 to 1. so if he hasdoesn't compete financially, he is not going to have a chance to compete on those important priorities in the second term. it's tough enough for politicians to do two jobs, campaign and govern but in this age of billion-dollar campaigns, a third job, that of fundraiser has become completely dominant. according to the center for responsive politics the candidate with most money does
win nine out of 10 congressional races and 8 out of 10 in the senate. you know it's just as bad for other candidates. i have run for. and i have won three times, twice as governor, once as attorney general. but i spent hours and hours every single day and night raising the money to do it. my reelection for governor i ran against this guy who was a billionair. he could vastly out spend me. i had to compete. yes have the money. i had to fund raise. it made me sick. i hated every minute of fundraising. i would sit in this cheap, temporary office for hours with stacks of call sheets dialling and begging people to donate and, you know, friends avoided my calls and if i didn't reach my daily goal i had to pull overtime. i was already doing double shifts. i was at this tiny desk with one of those thermometer charts tracking my progress. and believe me as a sitting
governor, like all governors, i really did have better things to do. and that is what killed me. i so wanted just to do my job as governor. >> that's what people elected me to do. but as my fundraising people reminded me over and over and over again, you won't be able to do that job unless you raise the money. and believe me i am certainly not alone in this story. my experience all took place before citizens united. i cannot even imagine how much worse the pressures are now. that case has corrupted our political system. so our politics is no longer about doing the will of the people. it's about raising the money from some of the people. there isn't time to do anything else as a politician. you can see why so many good men and women are no longer willing to serve in elected.
this is not a partisan issue. this is a national crisis and the next to get money out of politics is clear: we need to and our constitution to save our all week john fugelsang is filling on viewpoint with eliot spitzer. >>that was mitt romney showing once again his fearless fear of taking a stand that helps make him all things to no people. the airplanes are going to get from one part of the country to the other without any air traffic controllers. i mean this is ridiculous and mitt romney ought to know better. i stand with our public employees and cops and firefighters and their teachers?
>> on the campaign front, mitt romney attacked the president on a host of issues during a rally today at a virginia machinery company. take a license. >> what we are witnessing is a failure of the president's policies. he did not deal with immigration, with regards to obama care he put that as a higher priority as our economy. as a result we have had unemployment over 8%. >> at least we know romney doesn't consider ahealthcare a prior to. the alabama war room had a special message for virginia voters. take a look. >> president romney first 100 days, creating thousands of new jobs for villagers. the washington post has revealed romney's companies were pine easier in shipping u.s. jobs overseas. >> does virginia want an outsourcer in chief in the white house? >> outsourcer in chief, i love it. similar ads began airing in ohio
and iowa. seems like the battleground state battle is on. so for an analysis of the latest moves in the battleground states and how the candidates are spending millions they are raising, i am joined by donnie fowler. he is a veteran, of course of the last four presidential cam paveningz. donnie welcome back into the war room. ins. donnie welcome back into the war room. $3,000,000,000 is what we have been talking about. what does a campaign spend that money on? >> pizza. >> that's a lot of pizza. >> about two-thirds on television. it used to be 85% or higher but the growth of the internet the growth of additional ways to talk to voters the reinsurgents of grassroots campaign has cut it from 85 to 90 about to two-thirds. a lot goes to staffing traditional what americans think of when they think of cam pangs, people in the field talking one on one to each other, rallies, events. >> in ohio, for example, how
many staffers would the obama campaign have? >> so probably by election 400 paid staff in ohio. let me give you a perspective because money is so much bigger this time. until when gore ran, there were 300 people in the national campaign headquarters on election day. now we are talking a different scale. 300 people in just one battleground state on election day. >> today the obama campaign the obama campaign hashohoan ofoftaffn n se there a a ver ver challenges. weeard yterday aililge legislator who was ticking off the accomplishments, pennsylvania legislator tickling off the accomplishments they had achieved. one, he ex told was voter id laws which are -- which is going to allow governor romney to win
the state of pennsylvania. done, he said. done. >> isn't it funny that democrats tried to make it easeier for americans to vote and republicans consistently make it harder to vote? for americans to vote. they are very smart. let's be clear. they are wrong. >> they are doing it through laws but they have other tactics? >> yes. >> that keep democrats -- >> i ran the state of mish for john kerry. >> i remember. >> in indiana 2008, they do the same thing every year. let me give you a couple of examples. one, you station police cars or sheriff's cars in democratic precincts, with heavy latino precincts and the mere presence of the police will dissuade american citizens from voting.
they might say why are the police here? if you are older, maybe it's dangerous. again, all under the law. in every state now it's much more common to vote before election day, absentee voting. michigan is a great example. florida is a great example. so if your republican officer in a democratic county you have the right to only keep that place open for two hours a day. maybe from 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. >> when people are working. >> exactly. >> these are legal, but the result is not to prevent voter fraud. it's to stop americans from casting their ballots, usually aimed at democrats. they don't this in republicans. >> we want democrats to get riled about this. we want to look at the most recent data that came out today. there was an nbc/wall street general poll in 12 swing
states. >> the more the better. >> these are the ones that matter. this has obama at 50% and romney at 42%. do you think that democrats can take some comfort in that? >> comfort is one thing. sitting down and not working for this election is another thing. we can be -- let's put it this way. i would rather be barack obama today than mitt romney today . >> that's the best thing you could say. >> here are the battleground state polls which i think are interesting. this, again, these are polls that were separate from that nbc one came out today. romney winning in virginia obama winning in ohio obama in colorado, and romney in north carolina a completely all over the map. >> remember this the 12 battleground states you listed have either been traditionally battleground states over the last 20 years or they have been republican states. so what romney and obama are fighting over is either battle ground state territory or traditional republican territory. again, i would rather be barracks obama today than mitt romney.
it doesn't mean it's going to be a close race. >> i agree with you. obviously there is a question for romney if he has to win all of these. right. >> look, virginia and north carolina a neither one of those states have voted for a democrat for 30 years until 2008. >> until 2008. right. >> here we are spending money and time to fight over it. >> that's a good thing for barack obama. >> it's a good thing but doesn't mean he can rest. >> don't sit on your butt. >> donnie, thank you so much. asub donnie fowler. up next if the student loan showdown was keeping you up at night, you may have earned some shut-eye. senator jack reed joins us with the details and when jose hern anders was picking crops as a kids he dreamed of going into space. and, well mission acomplished. now his sights are set on more earthly matters. it's a story you are only going to find in the war room and we will be right back.
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happen until congress acts bit end of the week. there was progress today. senate leaders announced they reached a deal. here is majority leader harry reid. >> we have the student loan issue that we are working on now. we hope to get that done soon. i think there's a general feeling that we've worked out a compromise that's acceptable with the help of senator bachmann and heart necessary and others. jack reed has led charge for some time. >> harry sounds a little tired there. don't break out the champagne yet. there's several tea party members who have already threatened to kill the bill, no surprise. i spoke with the senator from rivaled. in january he introduced the student alone affordability act to keep student loan rates from doubling. i asked him to break down exactly what that bill would do and why it had become so
controversial. >> our legislation that we introduced in january would have prevented the doubling of student loan rates from 3.4% to 6.8%. republicans voted to confirm the doubling in two bills. we've been able to really and i think with the effort of thousands of students and families across the country to convince them that this would not be appropriate this would be another burden for college students at a time when they're already tremendously burdened by financial loans as they come out of school. the last several weeks, the struggle has been to come up with a way to pay for it. we propose i think very principled ways to do it, closing tax loopholes. they proposed one taking prevention funding away from health care, which is a non-starter. now we're on the verge of i hope
an effective solution, eliminating the doubling of the student loan interest rates and doing so in a fiscally responsible way paying for it. >> how do you pay for it then, what is the payment mechanism? >> the discussions have center around provisions with respect to pension payments. i think both sides find to be appropriate, that's the indication i have. the details are still being worked out. of course, we need the house to cooperate in this. >> then you're stuck with folks in the house who have not been enthusiastic. have there been conversations with house leadership to insure it gets through that side? >> harry reid has been talking with senator mcconnell with their house counterparts. i can't prejudge or confirm the conversations. the sense we have is that they're beginning to listen as they have over the last several weeks to thousands of families across the country who are
looking at already an enormous debt burden students have and seeing it double and particular irony is the federal reserve is lending to banks at a rate of close to 1% and we're doubling student interest rates. that logic and the per situation has come not so much from inside the capital but from outside families saying you can't do this. we've reached a point conceptually that we're not going to do it now. i think we've reached a rate to pay for it. >> how great is that that you have citizens and their families calling senators and hopefully house members to put the pressure on opinion there's a sign of hope in terms of democracy. can i just back up for one second? >> surely. >> in less than two decades the united states slipped from first to 16th in the world for college graduation rates. you've been a great leader on this that the average college
graduates has got $25,000 worth of debt. i think for every one graduate who defaults on a student loan, four dropouts default on theirs. those are scary figures. what do you say to the republican colleagues who are opposing this stuff and effectively trying to make us even less competitive globally? >> well, you've put your finger on it. this is not just an issue of an individual benefit. this is the great engine that has driven our economy for the last 50 or 100 years, which is the best educated work force the most productive work force in the world and now we know that higher education is even more important. most jobs require some post secondary education. this is a sort of an example of cutting your nose off to spite your face in that if we continue to support or don't support education, we are going to find
ourselves falling further behind. those numbers are startling. i think for everyone my generation to think that we wouldn't be first in the world with college graduates would be preposterous. we led the world for so long. >> it's shocking. it's shocking! for people who think us.a. is number one those tea partyers to claim to be patriots and defund access to college and on top of it to cut spend that go supports universities in that he research, et cetera, does that not make us less competitive as a nation? so much for american conceptualism. >> i think you're right. one, we have to establish a firmer support for college aid and assistance. the pell grant has been the standard, but frankly the buying power of pell grant has decreased from 80% of college tuition down to 20%.
we have to look at that and we've tried to increase the pell grant. we have to look at college loans, make them affordable. it's important to keep this interest rate as a relatively low level. then we have to look at the cost of college. one of the things, and you know as a governor, you are under such severe pressure in terms of your budget to fund your universities and your colleges. that pressure's felt across the country. you see tuitions going up. so we have to take on a comprehensive challenge, if you will provide adequate federal support, and also challenge the colleges to deliver quality highest quality education at a more affordable price. those colleges i think are beginning to recognize it, more afford automobile prices. >> we had a big hairy and you had dishes goal in michigan, to double the number of college graduates. we ended up having these budget
clenches that you've described. can i just ask you one other question? this bill is likely going to be linked to the transportation bill, which of course congress has pushed off passing nine times since the last one expired in 2009. i'm wondering similarly how can it be to the republicans in congress can't even pass legislation that guarantees that we've got smooth roads or roads at all in many places? >> well, to me, the infrastructure was always on issue that was non-partisan. it was about roads. it was about roads throughout the country people that want you to invest. they know it has economic benefits speeds up commutes. provides the flow of goods and services. we've reached the point where i think there is an influential portion of the republican caucus
that are talking about well government doesn't really have a role like this or shouldn't have a role. it does. and in fact, if we don't pass this legislation we're going to not only renege in our commitment to infrastructure, there are thousands and thousands of jobs at stake and we want those jobs and want want them and the american people get it. they know when you're building roads and putting americans to work, you are investing in long term growth and in immediate term, you're putting money into american pockets. that's good. >> that was senator jack reed, the democratic from rhode island and author of the student loan affordability act. >> we want to admire norah efron. she is perhaps best known as the writer of films like you've got mail and sleepless in seattle
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>> check the landing gear. >> landing gear. thank you, jose. that valve is open. >> discovery, congratulations on extremely successful mission. stepping up science to a new level on the international space station. >> that's campaign ad from our next guest, jose hernandez, the former after the roan aunt running for california's 10th congressional district. jose is one of the people who beats the odds. he was born to my grant farm workers, he has toiled in the fields alongside his family and didn't speak english until he was 12, but he earned multiple degrees and after a dozen
attempts became an after the ron ought. the highlight of his career was a 2-week mission aboard discovery. back on earth, his aspirations are sky high. he hopes to unseat a republican incumpenult and help the democrats win back the house or as we say, occupy the majority. tonight, we are so pleased to be able to welcome jose hernandez into the war room. glad to have you here we have your sign. we are ready to at this for you. >> great to be here governor. thank you very much for the invitation. >> i am so glad you came because we have been doing a series on the candidates who could help to take back the house on the democratic side. obviously, your race is one of them. talk first of all, how does the son of my grant farm workers become an astronaut and a congressional candidate? you follow the recipe my father gave me. i remember i was all of 9 years old in 1972, watching the very last mission, apollo 17 and i
soup a man walk on the surface of the moon. i shared my dream and said i want to be an astronaut. he gave me the recipe. he said with hard work and an education, you can reach it. >> that's what i did. >> so the next step that you have got is more hard work which is to become a member of congress. your opponent who is obviously the incumbent and he has huge deep pockets able to out raise you. i think he probably has done that that by almost double. can you win without having that level of money? >> absolutely. absolutely. for a variety of reasons. first of all, you labeled him as an incumpenult. i call him self-proclaimed incumpenult because he is moving districts to our district. >> okay. >> second, i was born and raised in the valley unlike him, who comes from monterey. >> this is home for you? >> exactly. >> he is a carpet bagger is what you are saying? >> exactly. exactly. >> you think the money disadvantage is something that you can overcome by shoe
leather, walking door to door? >> absolutely. it has to do with my ties with the community, for what i represent, which is hard work in education, and it has to do for what i want dot for the district, create jobs and improve the economy. >> a majority of your district, largely a caucasian district. do you think you being a latino is that going to be a disadvantage? >> i hope not. i hope people look at individuals. there are only two after the primary. i hope they look at the qualifications of each individual and vote based upon the qualifications? >> one would hope the right? >> right. i am not a career politician. i am an engineer by trade. and so i am trained to solve problems. >> that's the mentality i am going to take to congress is a problem solver. >> you have a pedigree in terms of your educational background. education is one of your issues. what are your thoughts on the ability to pass, for example, the dream act if you are elected? >> i think it's a good
opportunity for kids who want to improve themselves who have been here through no fault of their own in this country and i think we audit to afford them the opportunity to educate themselves and be productive citizenship in our society. >> like you were saint to do? >> yes. >> i can't the unemployment rate in your district is very high. >> yes. >> 15%? >> yes. nearly twice the national average >> due to? >> that's one of the frust operations? my district. when i came back after my flight in space in 2009 and 2010 and looked at my district we were at the episeventier of the mortgage foreclosure. our district was at the epicenter of it. >> what can you do about it. >> i believe one of the things we need to do is courting silicon valley. it's busting at the seams in terms of growth and they are taking jobs overseas, production
facilities overseas. >> take those to scale in stockton. >> absolutely. >> a fantastic story. i hope you are getting support from nancy pelosi. >> nancy pelosi and steve israel of the dccc have said our race is a bellweather race on our road to 2005. we have to win to get 25 seats and put speaker pelosi back in her position. >> we will follow the race for sure. jose hernandez. every time brett erlich thinks he is running short on material the g.o.p. makes a media buy. >> a new campaign ad i didn't totally make up. and everyone likes 50% more cash -- well, except her.
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