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>> michael: memo to the irs, the tea party is like a cranky two year old at bedtime. yes, they kra and pout and spout gibberish and make a lot of noise, but eventually they'll tucker themselves out. so for god's sakes don't rile them up. i'm michael shure. you are in "the war room." [♪ theme music ♪] >> michael: today apparently kicks off conspiracy week on capitol hill featuring reguns of benghazi grandstanding and all new episodes of the gop's latest ginned-up scandal, the irs
investigation. this is an issue we have been covering here in "the war room" all year. after citizens united the number of political groups registered as nonprofits shot up, it more than doubled. and the majority were tea party organizations. their status was to register as nonprofits and claim their purpose was to do things like teach people about the constitution. but many were just set up to allow corporate donors to funnel money into campaigns. democrats have been seeking those regulations for a while now. chuck schumer and a group of democratic senators called on the irs to impose a cap on how much money nonprofits could spend on political activities but mitch mcconnell and 12 other senate republicans sent the irs an explicit warning not to do that, that basically shut that whole thing down.
so without clear guidance employees at the branch in cincinnati took matters into their own hands. but it seems they disproportionately singled out tea party organizations. 72 of the group had tea party in their name 13 had the word patriot, and 11 had 9/12, that referreded to a glen beck-backed group who's goal was to refound america. so far the irs has not denied any of the groups their status or non-profit status still it doesn't look that they were disproportionately targeting tea party groups. and it was ordered to include more groups on the left and they did. problem solved right? not so fast.
republicans see the incident as a way to criticize the president. marco rubio called for quote . . . and leave it to newt gingrich to go even further, turning paranoid mole hill into scandal mountain. he argued that the president was behind the irs investigations because of obamacare. at least he didn't blame the lame stream media. >> he has a huge problem because the obamacare relies very heavily on the irs. i think the president is going to demand that everybody meet with congress, go to the hearings, fire everybody he can legally fire who has been involved in this. >> michael: how does this guy still matter? it's not likely the president will do any of the things that he said, but he is taking
action. today he called on those for accountability. >> obama: the irs as an independent agency requires absolute inthing grassy and people have to have confidence they are applying the laws in a non-partisan way. >> michael: congress seems to be taking this very seriously and there is bipartisan support for further action. so is -- but now some republicans are trying to use the issue a way to hit the president and protect the dark money that got them elected in the first place. mitch mcconnell told the natural review that the regulating committee should all be fired and the disclose act should quote, go nowhere. great, a win-win for mitch mcconnell, a lose-lose for the country, another reason to hate the irs. we turn now from the irs scandal
to that old chestnut benghazi. more than 130 members of the house of representatives have cosigned for a solution. it will interview thomas pickering and admiral mike mullen who wrote the authoritative report on benghazi, and who the republicans have not previously allowed to testify. the republicans are pushing the point that susan rice gave false information in her talking points following the attack. the participate responded. >> obama: the whole issue of talking points out there this process has been a side show. what we have been very clear about throughout was immediately after this event happened we were not clear who exactliried it out, what it had occurred and
what the motivations were. and suddenly three days ago this gets spun up as if there's something new to the story. there's no there there. >> michael: in response darrell issa criticized the president for not calling the incident a terrorist attack. it's not good enough that he did call it an act of terror. >> an act of terror is different than a terrorist attack. >> michael: is now the fight is over semantics. i love it. do they really have nothing better to do? don't they have jobs to create? and now some members of the party say this is ground for impeachment. senator john mccain always the voice of reason says he does not think it is an impeachable
offense, but he does want to drag hillary clinton before congress. >> i think the secretary of state has played a role in this there. >> do you think she had a role in the emails? >> we don't know for sure? >> she testified for 5.5 hours and john mccain was there asking questions. what more does she want? well, he wants to damage her 2016 prospects, and that doesn't look too promising so far. >> frankly had i been on the job at the time i think my decisions would have been just as theirs were. we don't have a ready force standing by in the middle east despite all of the turmoil that is going on with planes on strip alert, troops ready to deploy at a moment's notice, and so
getting somebody there in a namely way would have been very difficult if not impossible. >> michael: but who really cares if it is possible. the question is does it score political points and make a good fund-raising approach. joining me now is david pakman, host of the "david pakman show." he comes to us from springfield, massachusetts. welcome back in "the war room." >> thank you. >> michael: on the irs issue is this is a winning issue for the republicans? >> i don't think so it. the number of the 501 c4 has gone up significantly, and it's overwhelmingly right-wing groups, so you should expect there would be more right-wing groups a who lose that status. and the types of groups that we have seen become more and more popular since citizens united it is obviously that would be the result.
having having tea party in the definition probably not a good idea. but it's really just an actions game michael. >> michael: would the tea party sue the irs about this? >> individually no because if they did not deserve to have the 501 c4 status then there would be no case that they had. did they come across the fact that they had that status incorrectly throw a way that was somehow prej diz -- prejudiced? i don't think that's anything to overturn. any group that is mostly political is not entitled to that status. >> michael: harry truman made it difficult to get rid of irs employees to have them fire sod that they wouldn't become politicized. does the irs need better rules
in how to determine whether a group is political? >> yes and also the churches that are definitely advocating both candidates and issues neither of which they should be doing for maintain nonprofit religious status there is wide-spread abuse of that. this is one of those cases where you probably need more active regulation, but there's no question that some kind of non-partisan bullet points or checklist needs to be established. >> michael: you think about all of these churches that have for so long been advocating for one or another issue against gay marriage in faveor of public prayer or whatever it is, and yet these groups apply for this status. who south there regulating?
just somebody who is taking a form in, looking at it, and deciding, yes, we're going to ah did or look into this further? >> yeah, in part it depends on the state. different states have different rules about what kind of advisory board you need, but ultimately it is groups -- it is individuals similar to the ones we saw at this particular irs office, so there may not be -- we may not have an equal situation across the country, and as this points out, and as you kind of got to the idea that even the top people at the irs know exactly how it has been done isn't true, and therefore jumping to president obama was involved is a pretty long stretch for which we have no evidence at all. >> michael: yeah, this is a story that probably won't go away any time soon to one that we hope will. benghazi, john boehner is obsessed with this issue. he essentially sets the agenda
for republicans. >> at a certain point you have to assume that people are going to get tired of this. if there is an actual impeachment attempt, i can't imagine it is going to be good for republicans. there are a portion of people who still think we don't know something there, but we have had hours of testimonies from so many people, and even though a lot of people are pretending like we just don't know anything, it's like people pretending we don't know anything about barack obama. and there's that famous phrase we just need to know more. what more do we really need to know? >> michael: right. that's what bob corker the senator from tennessee said. he is a republican senator. this seems so ill timed. like you said it seems so early
if they want this to be bad politics. do you see this hurting hillary clinton? >> that has obviously been the goal, right? once we figured out that president obama was not personally altering talking points, hillary clinton seems to be the focus of this and her potential 2016 run. i think the fatigue you just talked about might actually play against republicans talking about hilary, because if she decides to run, if this is a real story, she just won't run, and if it's not a real story, people will be tired of it >> michael: that's a spectacularly good piece of analysis, because there's no way this will hurt the democrats. but there is one part of that. if it does scare her away from running, then the republicans feel like they have a chance of
winning in 2016 because there are beatable democrats, and i think a lot of people with political know how look at hilary at not really beatable right now. is there any merit to the republican's charge that the president down played or covered up the benghazi stuff? because it happened right before the election. >> the characterization is very very subjective. so say that something was down played versus it was written that way for any number of reasons could be really up for interpretation. what exactly did george w. bush do in terms of down playing intelligence that would have not helped the cause for going into iraq? it's so subjective. what we know is there's really no evidence of deliberate misleading at this point, which is very different from what
happened with iraq. >> michael: absolutely. david pakman is the post ironically of "the david pakman show." >> thank you. >> michael: now the government spying on journalists, the associated press revealed today that the department of justice had somehow gotten ahold of two month's telephone records from its journalists. it might relate to an article it publiced last may related to an al qaeda bomb threat. the doj said . . . >> we will watch this story. coming up in "the war room" gunmen injure 19 people on mother's day in new orleans. will it ever stop? we'll talk to christine pelosi about that right after the
break. texas wants more guns on college campuses. you know who doesn't? the students living on those campuses. go figure. and later we'll meet the astronaut who is becoming dare i say a global superstore. it's "the war room" on a monday. we will be right back. young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.
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parents of sandy hook elementary, it was their first mother's day without a loved one. since then 3,988 americans have died a result of gun violence. if you break it down that's 135 new townes since newtown. just incredible. shots rang out at a new new orleans parade yesterday. thankfully no one was killed in new orleans there. but it's another clear example of what can happen when guns are involved. something clearly has got to change. joining me now to determine what we can do to fix this is chair the california democratic party women's caucus, christine pelosi. welcome back inside "the war room" as always. i hate that we have to talk about this much gun death since
the senate voted down gun legislation. has the conversation stopped? has the momentum stopped? >> i don't think it has at all. on mother's day after i had my morning cuddles with my child, i went down and joined with women mourning their children from the loss of gun violence. it can happen and it does happen to all american families and so we have to keep the pressure on, and moms are not going to give up. imagine the tragedy one woman said i feel sad when i walk down the street and i hear someone call out mom, because i know it will never be for me again. >> michael: that's absolutely heart breaking. the toll that it has taken on our communities, we don't need to rehash here.
but at a federal level what they tried to do isn't succeed the first time. has that conversation been stunted by benghazi irs, immigration reform even n -- in a positive sense. >> moms won't forget losing children. >> and dads as well. >> absolutely. and it is not going away. we have votes coming up in the house and senate where the manchin toomey bill and the thompson king bill, so this issue is not going away. a mother's day parade where you have families celebrating and then that is punctuated by violence. so folks should keep their eyes
on the prize. >> it is time for the big dogs to come out and really take this issue and run with? >> absolutely bill clinton has a lot to offer on this subject. he has been active in saying democrats need to reach out across the aisle and talk to people about respecting the second amendment and their safety. one of the reasons republicans are harping on benghazi so much is they want to knock down hillary clinton and keep bill clinton out of the arena, but that won't happen. >> michael: most people think about hilary, she having been a it willening rod before, a candidate, and then they think you are going to get bill clinton with that too. that's an interesting point there. let's move to benghazi. how do you see democrats defending themselves because
they are going to be forced to in certain cases against benghazi as a campaign issue in 2016? >> i think what happened in benghazi was a tragedy. every day that republicans talk about how dangerous benghazi is is a day that people will be very concerned about any involvement in libya syria, or the middle east as a well. when they talked about we should have a standing force ready in the middle east. i don't know i don't think that that's what the american people want. i think we are we ary of war, and i think the more the republicans bring up benghazi, the more a war-weary public is going to say, you know what you are making a good point. we have got to stop war, rather than continuing to engage in it.
>> and people's eyes glaze over at some point. they don't want to hear about war anymore. and i could see that -- that situation sort of rearing its head in 2014. let's talk about hillary clinton on this benghazi thing. they say now the voters according to a public policy poll -- 49% trust hillary clinton. 39 trust the republicans. how will this benghazi incident and again, we call it a tragedy. how will it effect the way the people that voted for hilary last time approach her this time? >> she has acknowledged the tragedy, and she was very close to ambassador chris stephens and was very supportive of his
career out there. i think people will say clearly this was not a shining moment but we want her president. and we want a female president, and hillary clinton is the best candidate republican or democrat, and that hunger won't go away, and that's why i think the races is hers if she wants to run in it. >> i know democrats who couldn't careless if it was a woman or man, but really like hillary clinton. >> oh, absolutely. but to victimize hillary clinton has always been a mistake, because her numbers go up. number 2 if they goal is to weaken her, i think there will be a backlash among men and women who like her and want to see a woman candidate. people might take it as personally when you start
attacking hillary clinton, but i worked for the clintons after president clinton had been impeached and he was focused on the economy, and ultimately still people are going to vote with their pocketbooks. >> michael: and he was right on the economy, and you were right on all of this, i think. christine pelosi thanks for being here. up next in "the war room," texas big on guns, less so on brains. we'll meet the man fighting to keep college campuses weapon free next right mere in "the war room." gripping, current.
agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. ♪ >> michael: they say everything is bigger in texas, that's especially true for the gun debate. the nra held its annual meeting earlier this month in houston. you may remember governor rick perry's introduction. ♪ >> michael: and here is governor perry inviting gun manufacturers to set up shop in the loan star state. >> our message to them and everyone in the country is
simple. there is still a place that loves freedom in america. where people can pursue their dreams free from the knee-jerk government regulations that occur. that place is called texas. [ cheers ] >> michael: good to know he is spending all of his time still trying not to be president of the united states. since the massacre of sandy hook elementary school, some states are doing the start thing, but texas not so much. under governor perry's leadership, the state house is pushing 12 new gun laws that loosen restrictions including . . . current texas law bans concealed weapons on campuses but gives schools the option to allow them. this proposed law allows guns on
campus, but gives schools the option to opt out. fortunately for us, young texas democrats are organizing to stop this change. joining us statewide organization texas college democrats. garry is a senior at the texas wesleyan university. garry, welcome inside "the war room." >> thanks for having me. >> michael: i hear ya i may not see ya the whole time here but i want to talk to you. 22 states ban concealed weapons on college campuses. what is your plan? >> our plan is to talk to lawmakers, we're the ones that this legislation is effecting, so we have put together campaign to make sure our voices are heard. -- first radical attempt -- luckily it fell out of committee, so what we have done is -- line 72, which is going to heard tomorrow in the
state senate which we discussed earlier is going to allow schools to opt out -- the first thing is -- call the lieutenant governor's office and urge him to place it on a committee. and tomorrow we'll be attending the committee meeting to make sure we are heard on this issue. >> michael: that is what we rely on people at the college level to do. texas has this history of school shootings from the bell tower sniper, to the loan star college incident, one with a gun and one a knife. how do you convince your classmates that the students don't need guns for protech shun? >> -- residented a assistance -- >> michael: garry, unfortunately -- it's important that we spoke with garry,
because it is about mobilizing to say that these laws are ludicrous. decreaseingeing class time needed to obtain a concealed weapons permit. these laws are -- are criminal. and if the texas rank and file not going up against the laws it's a requirement that the students do that garry jones and others mobilize other students in texas to do this. this is a story that everyone should keep their eyes on. i'm glad we're not letting it go. we thank gary and apologize for the technical difficulties. up next, is a story you'll only find here in "the war room."
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investigation. joining me to talk about the impact of cutbacks to mental health services is mac mcclelland, a human rights reporter with "mother jones." welcome into "the war room." you did an extensive amount of research into this subject, and it comes also from a family background here. tell me a little bit about what your family background is that brought you to write what you did. >> there are several members of my extended family who suffer from severe mental illness. so we were going to do a story about the state budget cuts to mental health services. the states have cut $4 billion in the last few years. we were trying to figure out a good way to talk about that. and it has drastically impacted some of the members of my own
family, so that's what we decided to go with. >> michael: when you hear about the mentally ill, there is an old motto where you think of them being taken care of both by the state and in some cases by the federal government but lately we have seen the number of mentally ill in prisons skyrocket, why the number in state mental institutions go down. >> they planned the deinstitutionalization, where lots of people were locked in facilities for a very long time. the conditions were often deplorable. and a lot of doctors agreed it wasn't a place for someone to get better. it was a place to be locked away until you died, but the second part of the plan was to set up mental health centers in the communities where people could still go. nobody was saying these people
aren't sick anymore. they were just saying they probably shouldn't live here. so those mental health centers never really materialized. >> michael: isn't there an organized rethinking of that model? i think it goes as far back as the '80s when they started changing that. have they begun to rethink that in a coercive way? >> i think people are away there is a problem but problems cost money to help. and mental health is not a high priority for states and it's the first thing that gets cut. so it could take billions of dollars to put back from what they cut from an already subpar system way back in the '80s. >> michael: that's not that far
back. the gun debate now, and we focussed a great deal on this, on making guns illegal, making them difficult to obtain background checks et cetera there are people on both sides of the argument saying we need more mental health funding. is there a silver lining to the story that you are trying to tell in the fact that you are going to start talking more and more about mental health because of the gun issue? >> i wish i could tell you because people are a little bit scared and doing fear mongering about crazy people shooting lots of people these days, again it would take billions upon billions of dollars to fix that. so i wouldn't say that we're anywhere near even close to having a conversation about doing that. >> we're talking about guns and we'll keep talking about guns for example here. do you think that there is -- that you can correlate the
two, the defunding of so many of these mental health institutions and the rise in gun violence we have seen? >> it definitely has read to violence in that area in general. and in california it was actually the pioneer of getting people out of institutions and slashing mental health care and when that happened and they didn't put any money back into the communities, the crime rate doubled within a year in california. so it was like the instant they stopped taking care of people. >> michael: right. and that makes sense. i want to ask you about your story a little bit more. your uncle.
tell me about your uncle's story. >> it's my cousin actually -- he is 22 now and he -- a couple of years ago, he started acting different, and his father my uncle, was trying to find help for him, and tried to figure out what to do. he was really depressed and withdrawn, and started having violent outbursts, and like half of the rest of the countries in california there are no psych facilities there. and one day my cousin had a particularly bad psychotic break and it involved violent delusions and he stand my uncle to death -- >> michael: such a harrowing, harrowing story. >> yeah. >> michael: do you look at that now as educated as you are on the subject, do you look at that
as something that could have been prevented had this defunding not hand? >> certainly his family feels that way. his father in the run up to the murder had been writing on the calendar get help for his son. so the more people i talked to for the story, at first it seemed like this was kind of anomaly, but the more people i talked to, public defenders, caseworkers, people in the mental health services said this happens all the time. and of course the vast majority of mentally ill people never hurt anyone. but when they did it tends to be their close family members. >> michael: again, going to what you know, the research you have done, the writing, reporting, and living you have done what
do you offer up as something curative for this? do you see any options that exzips and reality-based option right now? >> is money not an reality-based option. it is about money. it is not impossible to solve. here in san francisco we have centered that are drastically underfunded. if those people just had more money, if you interview them, and they will tell you, if they just had more money they would be able to take care of these people. right now you have to wait a month before even can even talk to you. >> michael: and also people have to realize that diseases above the shoulders are diseases too. >> sure. >> michael: mac mcclelland from "mother jones" thanks so much for being here. thank you for writing and revealing a lot about your own
family that takes guts too. >> thank you. >> michael: our crack digital unit has collected everything you need to know about the greyhound practice and posted it outs on current.com/thewarroom. up next in "the war room," the gop gets a head start on spring cleaning. >> coming up the biggest, best sale of the year if youlike weird republican artifacts don't go away. >> everyone in michael jackson's life was out to use him. (vo) no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current.
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and we'll talk about that beating of the man in bakersville, and then the cops confiscated everybody's cell phone in the neighborhood, so they want to -- under the guise or at least under the stated purpose of investigating, they take everybody's cell phone video and media. >> michael: it sounds like the justice department has just gone crazy. >> yeah, there is a lot of justice department related stuff, and a wild story at usc -- there were two parties going on simultaneously one was largely black parties and one was largely white partyierpartiers and
they break up the black party and not the white one. >> michael: all right. thanks mark. we'll see you at the top of the hour. and ana pierre is running for mayor in north miami, and she has claimed the ultimate endorsement, jesus christ. hum. in our next installment of out of touch newt gingrich has no idea that a cell phone that is just more than a phone is called a smartphone. the former speaker of the house uploaded a video of himself rambling what we should name this new duehickey. >> here we spent weeks trying to
figure out what do call this? you probably say cell phone. but think about it it's taking pictures, it's not a cell phone. we would love to have your ideas and thoughts. please leave a comment. what would you call this? >> michael: and what do you call a guy who has all of that time to do that? a guy who didn't win the presidency. newt and his crack team have been spending weeks on this and desperately need his help. so let's humor him? the newt? the internet thing-a-ma-jig? can somebody please get this man a day job. >> no, don't. and then chris hatfield performed this amazing video in space. ♪ this is ground control to major tom ♪ ♪ you've really made the grade ♪ ♪ and the papers want to know
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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> welcome to the "the young turks"." i'm mark johnson in for cenk today. i'm here with the lovely bundle of knowledge that is ana kasparian. good to see. >> you goods to see you, too. >> and the other bundle of knowledge, jayar jackson. i have to get through the preliminaries and get to michael michael, who is back with us, and it's been a rough monday if you're president of the united states. >> before we