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tv   Conflict Zone - Guest Gyorgy Schopflin  Deutsche Welle  May 3, 2018 6:30am-7:01am CEST

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when difference in disadvantage is. something to be strongly. wrong with the media. balanced liberal media on twenty meeting place speech. this week conflict zone is indeed a strong and capital to lead to meet george cheerfully who sits in the european parliament for hungary's governing feeder's party on april eighth prime minister viktor orban was reelected using rhetoric described as intimidating and say no for back will that kind of nationalist vision decide the future of europe.
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drop sharply welcome to conflict zone your prime minister viktor orban was just reelected with third consecutive term the organization for security and cooperation always c e said the opposition did not really have a chance to complete. yes well it's their job to test it they don't have a chance the have a chance so they actually got forgotten exactly how many because best part of two million votes for this got two point seven me that there is competition and besides you know they have to say things like the job why the criticism is not their job the only c.e.o. is is a neutral organization and a very well respected the report said quote intimidating exit a phobic rhetoric media bias and apart can pay the financing end of the quote
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hidden the voter's ability to make an informed choice this was not a fair election was it i think it was a very fair election i was for the whole of the campaign i didn't see intimidation and i wasn't just sitting in budapest a regular subject but i mean out of it. there is no such thing as objectivity i don't believe in fairy tales either. do you think that the r.c. is objective no do you think that anybody is objective do you think that even it is not subjective the issue is c.e. said these elections were not fair hungary is member which means that you accept the standards of this organisation do you accept the standards of this other ization we do accept the standard and i think that got it wrong but if you accept the stand this means that you have to accept also their criticism seriously we can use them seriously i think always agree interpretation comes into the picture i
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think they came along as usual with a certain set of ideas about how hungry is that they get there from the western media the western media listening only to the opposition so the can all the greys of interpretation that's ok be used to them but this is not really an answer the head of the observer mission douglas wake said there was. perceptor vase of overlap between state and ruling party resources which undermined the ability of a position candidates to compete equally having democratic elections mean not tilting the scales look the carriers are always tilted to some degree depending on what the population the voters really want oh yes come on this knowledge is cynical for democrats i don't think it's silly called i think it's realistic i mean think about it a cynical to be cynical is realistic not invariably i mean you know what would cynical leaders dog like behavior i don't think i'm
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a dog is morality something in politics well that in political base linked and equally obviously morality is something that must always open to question otherwise you get into what is new and in the trade of monism a single concept of morality which is anti democratic purposes of union but let's speak about the free press this is constitutional for democrats for their markets yes journalists were pressured state broadcaster biased and government messages compay overlap with your party is that what you call fair the freedom of press i would not call that but then that's only one opinion of how things are really hungry if you look at the entire picture of the media there is enormous diversity the trouble is you see that other than hunger is nobody in the area so they can't do a proper content analysis of what is actually over the country to understand if the standards of free press are given on not well i think it really helps if you
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actually do news of the go about but on three toned this is a really problem judge about certain scales and standards i think there is a real problem i read what happens is you are really new because i have to take the word of the the journalists. interpreters who tell me they have a bias they're not objective. let's talk about migration because this was the overwhelming campaign issue during the campaign sorry prime minister often says quote we do not consider these people as muslim refugees we consider them muslim in vegas do you agree i think the city caloric migrant. he does the has said in the past i was present when he said this there are three types of people coming to europe there are genuine political refugees asylum seekers there are economic migrants and they're off fighters and
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i'm speaking about invaders this is the world i want me to agree that there are muslim invaders. it depends on how you define invasion if you defy you vision in this instance of peaceful invasion that i think is clearly the case very large numbers of people arrived in hungary without so much as by a leave in twenty fifteen march through the country this was traumatic you know what invaders means there is a connotation with the word this is hate speech if you say muslim invaders this is hate speech isn't it i don't think it is so what is hate speak well that the muslims the muslims generalization invaders we know how pictures are used everybody chair the vices you generalize i'd love generalize if i speak about groups especially religious groups i'm sorry so much your prime minister
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generalized not only saying the muslims but he's also adding invaders what a picture you know what this means. i don't think violence i think what you mean the isn't necessarily the same as what or about to be and secondly of course the. we made generalized judgements about religious groups just as much as secular ones invaders means aggression you have a lot of potential of threatening people do you believe that the muslim groups as he said are invaders are what i saw in twenty fifteen when i was. with structural violence something against which nothing could be done it was a flood of people who were paying attention to what they were doing if you want to call the supervision you can call it invasion you can also call it a time you can use all sorts of i don't even. speak about refugees migrants he said
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muslim yes i think that the greeks which already is not one hundred percent to some christians they were overwhelmingly was with your member of the parliament article twenty one of the european charter clearly states clode any discrimination based on any grounds such as religion or believe shall be prohibited muslim invaders if that is not a religious discrimination then what is it if you're quoting rich ultra fundamental rights fine please recall article one which is about human dignity and here the human dignity of the hungarian population is every bit as important as that of the muslim but we all agree do you believe that in hungary this is today's reality muslim invaders millions could come to our agree are you now agree and want to suppress your people is there a feeling about hungary i understand you have to see to the european context
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possibly a clue will context the question of large numbers of people in the world are on the move hungary i think experienced this profound shock in twenty fifteen. and they are there are a lot at this particular time very large numbers of brasil muslims were not very many in hungary what. the great majority of hungary's do not want the pope pulling figures to back this up is that there should be a lot of with mr serve in fair enough that we are now in twenty eight years and these quotes are also partly coming from b a lexington paid twenty eighteen so what's about today you still believe that there could be a muslim invasion in your country i think i wouldn't use the word invasion which is the one that you're in love with no it's your prime minister who has allowed you keep i were very sorry you keep quoting here they want to take away our country who exactly who exactly mr surfin wants to take away your country i think the
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very large number of refugees who may potentially want to settle in hungary aided and abetted by western liberals and they want to take away your country they want to transform the country in such a way that it's no longer recognizable to the great majority of people who live there at this time rightly or wrongly on one hand your prime minister always said nobody of these refugees wants to stay in hungry they want to go to germany on the other hand you're telling your people that every muslim wants to stay in hungary i don't understand the logical argument i do think we're seeing every was a result lot i mean for the last ones to take away our country this is a quantity this is a certain quantity with the exactly how many but we really do want to find out. you proposed you propose peace first putting pig heads on the border fences to deter
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us yes i did tweet this quite right what was the idea behind that well it all began with some pictures. of. i think mosques which i saw as being up which were paid. i said well why stay with mosques why not put up pictures that this was criticized to be racist and degrading idea or was it a racist i do think it is i think it looking at the way in which for islam. pork pigs are all acceptable. a form of pollution and therefore to see to them look if you come to hungary you will find that people eat pig people eat pork in hungary we have been back do you respect
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islam religion do respect will respect this religion i do what you mean by respect of course it exists this religion. as respectable as christianity or jew is. i have some problems with. this islamic theological don't really want their christianity is respected i would like to see your christianity is respected i think that's right you can know that for example your idea with the pick heads is also racist and it degrading idea for gene i was fully aware of so was it also a message to the jews because it was not clear to assume the message was given. i think it was clear in the contra summit it was about that on the fence and it was facing. migrants coming towards hungary i think it's very clear i have said elsewhere that one of the responsibilities of the present government in hungary is to protect the third largest jewish committee this is
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a rude rude yeah i think to express a no four cultivate person as you are to use pigs you know what this means for people who are jews or muslims or don't you know i have an idea you know or you have an idea i have a fairly good idea or with some will not take it quite as seriously as you are at this point looking over as you have to decide to do it it's one thing but how seriously it is taken this is also something you know or you are suddenly very naive not where you have started to look at them nic. i'm simply saying the subjective perception over film we're always very i have no idea how. religious jew would respond you have no idea i have no idea because they vary among themselves so my know that this is not a religious attempt only it is also
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a principle a tent for jew of for and muslim principle take care. nazis anti-semitic people are throwing pick heads. at the synagogue to describe their disrespect now it's the fans not to go hungry not in hungry there is no and to some it has been hungry very little very little what are you really sure what the surveys tell me that's what the reality is not telling me the world jewish congress for example was very clear on that that not only hungry and your government has a problem with muslims but also with jews i think the congress is in this respect about is an error this is the first government of hungary. the second all the government which recognized that hungary was responsible in part for the holocaust does that mean that you learn something in the present time well this is
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a very real and i think the various jewish communities it isn't a single jewish community not very accepted this regarded it as positive i was there at that particular occasion there's no question in my mind. you will find individuals around to say look let's talk you'll be asked to submit isn't or the alleged and to semitism of the competitive of your prime minister i would like to talk about and i guaran exide george soros it was almost as if in the most recent election a prime minister was running against him he compared soros to the invading armies of the turks soviets and hobbes books roller saying soros allies in hungary would face revenge revenge for what and why so much the translators have let you do the work isn't revenge it's a men's league theatre is the hungary and good so always believe what the journalists us for sources can i think this is
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a superbly let through trap set by fitness basically in effect making sure the symbolic leader of your. which means that the bulk of hungry of us will not vote for him. open or so promising to send service quote home even though the inborn finance here has not been in the country for years what deep alben mean sending home this is a symbolic schorsch not the real individual it's a symbolic one as i know we have individual support what the symbolic saros is a symbol quite right there are individuals for whom sure symbolizes one liberalism or of a particular kind certainly visceral opposition to feel there's visceral opposition to or ban it's a part of and most people were sent home they hadn't been sent home it was a simply i think part of
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a campaign rhetoric i don't think anybody will be sent home but as you probably knew society is currently thinking about moving to berlin i thought that in democrates our positions are not sent home they are part of but a lot of the debate around ceasar us and his influence has descended into lines of argument about quote international finance which is a code word used by and has some nights you remember also by the nazis this is soros is jewish victor alben who is a very intelligent man who we agree with you must know which claims he was feigning when he played with anti-semitic stereotypes or at least can pay to see it isn't true semitic he can give it reading but i think it was much more about the finance and sure as you know has actually been finding in france for speculation two million pounds of the bank of england british taxpayers of one is also not a very let me say socialist person he loves to make businesses but this what you
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are telling us is is years ago we have today why does he play. with the international finance picture you can scrub history entirely rule me the whole room past you and be included merely because this is happened fifteen twenty years ago doesn't mean that it lacks a reality to the dolls look under as heisler the chairman of the hunger in jewish federations called on mr orban to end the campaign using the ceasars picture the organisation said it was a proxy for anti-semitism. there i can understand that has where we're going to see this because of course he is in touch with the world jewish congress and so on and they are concerned but it seems to me that there's a real danger of anti semitism in countries where there's a large muslim minority not in hungary you know do you remember being an economic
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and historian that anti-semitism existed also in east europe. fifty four refugees came three years ago do you remember that also in your country before they came you had problems i wanted only to add that to your comment about because it looks like there are lines and some it is muff today the ad to some it is most muslims alone can i on service please i was there when the holocaust took place i was four years old i remember seeing people with yellow stars i bought an old enough to watch the trains pulling out of the brick factory for sure it's of course i knew i knew all this i worked on this but at the same time i do not believe that everything can be written down as anti semitism there are different interpretations and we each campaign was wrong which certainly has certainly been seen as anticipated by various weeklies doesn't really was. and a stroke from human rights watch said coming back to your pig you
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words are disgusting i would expect that from anonymous neo nazi trolls but you are an m.e.p. act like one is wrong. he's disgusting i think you also called we human filth that's not a language it's hate speech well at that point the argument ceases is no longer an argument that's interesting you are very clear about a judgment this cloaked but you can't be as clear about yourself with pickett's look as far as the pic herds of pics heads are concerned i think i've made my position fairly clear what i thought prison for to experiment and i spare a thought experiment thought experiment yes. many people took it for real so i got a whole lot of hate mail shoreline was the launch launch pad i imagine
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want us really to where tweets come from but it happened i'm i'm a sadder and wiser person i want to try to understand your fear how many hunger areas are. ignored this very difficult to see exactly zero hungary and but we generally count about thirteen of a half million but then there are people in the united states of hungry and descent who say they are hungry and they can actually apply some kind of want at work ten million more or less more than the ok how many muslims live in hungary and twenty thousand not even zero point five percent think the organ says he wants to keep europe christian do you agree i agree with this yes so no muslims muslims years of fear except the dome of the norms which are derived from christianity christian europe christian what's about jews jews find different it's pieces of new
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judea christian tradition that we're looking at christianity has taken a great deal from judaism. the relationship between christians and jews as our as i know has been bloody christian persecuted and kill jews up until the second vatican council i think i couldn't agree with you more this is a very shameful part of european history on the other hand at this particular time i think relations between christians and jews have never been better i have a question you are a member of the european union right here parliament but hungary is still a member of the u.p.a. you where i left strasburg yesterday the answer was yes so the freedom and freedom of movement is one of the pillars of the idea of the correct. if european of muslim face want to move to hungary will stop their own stop them any thousands
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will come absolutely true so what about your christianity well the point you do we have to confront the problem and look at it see what's to be done about it as i see there is a small muslim community already hungry part sunni part of your family fled as i know a totalitarian regime and settled in britain. why should that not apply to the people facing persecution people facing persecution it doesn't apply to it's the economic migrants that i'm tom syria. from syria or some other people from syria or economic micro image or a team of syrian refugees are they. fleeing by the reason of war so a lot of unknowns i do precisely because i haven't done any field work on this we also knew that the majority or in turkey in jordan i ask you again do you really think
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that the majority of syrian refugees are not fleeing because of war and because they are persecuted. quite definite about this is you i don't know the motivations of them a chance as a chance was given also to you and your friend who took a chance i think that's right i'm quite prepared to believe yes it is and christians are definitely fleeing because of fear for the fear of their lives with all the sudanese or so doing in the same way i don't know the answer to that if somebody is a refugee do you ask. after he enters the country or before outside of secrecy as to the country and if somebody is saying i flee because of the war in syria what are you doing there and when you say no we must leave and they give you the austin to make a case baltar of the problem in printed fifteen with a very large number of people coming with ford syrian passports they were
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bangladeshis or pakistanis or africans do you think that europe is endangered by the refugee crisis new europe is actually in danger because of itself because it's lost confidence in what it wants to be is completely divided. and i am somewhat concerned as to were europe is headed for the next five years being a bed hungry has a small responsibility about this hungary i think has a responsibility and to say we as any other country have the same size. and i think responsibility is to offer an alternative to the hyper liberalism that is running europe today nationalism every answer lation hood his fiance thank you for being on conflicts on the set clinton was a pleasure having you with me thank you very much. you
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