tv Conflict Zone - Guest Armen Ashotyan Deutsche Welle May 10, 2018 10:30am-11:01am CEST
reforestation. interactive content to inspire people to take action. series of. a month is a long time these days in armenian politics long enough for the last president to finish his term in office and take most of his considerable powers to the prime minister's office long enough angry crowds of protesters to gather and force him out and now the man who led those protests has taken his place as well. my guest this week here in your advantage is our man i showed john vice president of the republican party. for the last ten years when he and his colleagues now accept defeat or will they make trouble for the new leaders.
welcome to comfort zone thank you for a pleasure to meet your party's been in power for so many years how did you fail so spectacularly to understand how unpopular you'd all become nice question very provocative and nice question i like the way is there a nice answer i'm going to be as frank as i will try to be always i know. the phenomena of army revolutionary movement will be investigated john started in for a long time because it was really very interesting to follow the people to try. but all you had to do was look at the opinion polls didn't you. i have my own explanation may be only true. make the final conclusions but as far as i understand
the processes. the phenomena is quite common and general in twenty first century post-industrial world we should. believe or we i mean politicians we should believe are properly what we are going to do and what we are going which would show that you didn't according to a survey last year by the caucasus barometer sixty five percent about me and either completely distrusted political parties here or leaned towards distrusting them another another poll said only a quarter of the population was satisfied with the level of democracy and that's quite an indictment of your heart the oriole you're really framed but if their level of democracy wasn't in compliance with the european standards or the the threshold of flying to european political families we could do it i think even you could do work there so that your political family i haven't sent to them yet you had an agreement that it would be with the did we did so on several levels let me
come back later just i will answer the question you pose for the very beginning of . this phenomenon is quite the general when you follow the political developments in your countries in germany for example look we're talking going on about sources so it's not about you or you mean press me by your for inpatients but let me let me finish please. the general moment is of the politicians and the population in all countries. i divined it and didn't buy it by as a gap i think the level of in confidence the level of teeth. the level of impatience is quite common in general and this just shows you what i think about. in european countries which is a more stable democratic institutions it was very clear about this mistrust for deep and miscommunications on behalf of political the light. rays of the ultra
parties in all countries in your country as well in france you knew their land in germany in armenia whereas a democratic institutions were not so strong it came to another manifestation all right mr think we should concede there but it was really anti establishment movement you know you are too for the media but if i can just say my question is your view out of all these events of the last few weeks is that there are signs of democracy the president said standing down for instance you said this was the action of a national figure a strong and patchy arctic person keeping armenia safe from sharks pieces of wisdom exerting all of us know it all didn't have a choice did he he was forced out of office i think it's not a very honest opinion if you're treats the decision of politicians like weeds you would put them on the corner next time what we want you know to me in your we i said republican party or for me we want it at that time. to short of the population
for the people but we finally heard her voice it was very important there is a shot to this already maybe a million excuse me there on the street already related to the president the resignation of the president was a real act of non while us policy he would try to follow up for a many years and the second we. you know the security is always prevailing for armenians and in armenia the security phenomena for the people living during four thousand years hearing very unstable and volatile the region underground. many wars and invasions it's question number one with you don't want to put at risk the pression of for me a security as a state well so you can for you know stories of what you're going to say and it that way especially if you find you can spin it that scares me to me but the events
tell a difference no events just sometimes a different story the events just coming to prove that the logic behind the decision of republican party leadership is the same population of the people or for me needs they want another way to go out we are ready to create an environment for that let's just take a look at the same timeline doesn't make sense you say over the last few days and the security issues so people's opinion and security prevailing let's just take a look i think let's just take on the very. nice way of conceived during these decisions like hugh try to summarize some opponents opinion i guess let's go to listen back at some of the event was over the last few days april sixteenth your president. was nominated for the prime minister's position he accepted it and in doing so he broke a promise that he had made in twenty fourteen specifically he wouldn't try to hold
on to power as prime minister or speaker he broke that promise so your party that doesn't keep its promises well let's let's concede that you know such emotional way as you propose such a way it's not the most now so if you want to if you want your can go or alone sleazy years if not if you want to hear more opinion if you want to. respect the pluralism if you want to respect the freedom of expression for people. like me. so first we explained that the time for a political decision the main reason standing behind of his decision to nominate. prime minister as a candidate for the prime minister was a security issue on nagorno-karabakh conflict negotiations because he was considered as the only man who is burning institutional memory in mind and being prepared to your take on the part of his deliberation war in early nineteenth and
end of the eighty's oh could promote armenian national interest during his negotiations in the second. according to the constitutional mechanisms the ruling party won elections in two thousand and seventeen he. has his right to nominate any candidate so this is a constitution which is so much. respected by all democratic countries and they do hope that their meaning is not the next he still he still broke his promise and when they pull the seventeenth when he took the job the number of protesters in the streets kept on rising and when you decided to try and discourage the protests by having the police roughed up and detained some of the activists tens of thousands of people looking wanted this looked so very honestly that this revolution was at the pump and by violence so much so far not so much but the worst violence you have come towards any kind of clashes if you hop trance of followers and people on one
side of the movement and you have a falls on people on the other side police force them on the international communities was worried i was worried they would you as a restaurant the rights of the doesn't it at that time we go to congratulations for the euro commissioner. head of european commission mr john european council president mr proves just to remind you the organization for security and cooperation in europe warned over the reported instances of the. proportionate use of force by armenian which will also concede of course them also. keep in mind that trial had also the storming of the state buildings state institutional buildings on the stage of public radio ministers so there is the very frank to consider the situation in a very open minded mr a proof the twenty second. was clinging to power the demonstrations had risen the last thing on his mind on that
day the twenty second was actually standing down he had discussions with the opposition leader passion yet which he broke off after just a few minutes accusing him of issuing ultimatums and blackmailing the legitimate authority miles away is a blackmailing tolerance policy still going calling armenia after the war by you or by the way i asked have you found any evidence that it's going by this kind of intolerance and blackmailing is not promoting democracy in armenia because despite the movement has the followers of supporters the rights of the freedom of expression for the opponents and for the people who are thinking in other ways should be preserved from guaranteed but all the under did not under then you have believed it of your leader of the opposition or mr excuse me he was arrested for you for hours with the force of this for democracy you to force it it's only for
sunday for this you know the rest is in violation of his parliamentary he was detained for several hours and suffer just very much more as an extra thirty for the next acting prime minister mr john went to deliberate that just to remind you so the question of the democracy is not only is a question of the majority. but also the question of the protecting the rights of the people who are frank you know another way if you violate it. parliamentary immunity by detaining him it's not right. that's what he says there what their position here is far from the stipulation just here here's a recent assessment about developments it was touched up where it was no special sitting for the parliament i was discussing this enormous zation i was a mr pushing us parliamentary status it's not true and then on through and then on april the twenty eighth came the sudden change of mind from your new prime minister
i got it wrong he said and mr passion was released just like that from one day to the next from the twenty second to the twenty third who whispered in his ear that night and told him the game was of who were very nice which also if you want to cling to your position towards a conspirator you can continue to stipulate in this way he was clinging to power for all those days a little over night coming back it was there was a meeting between a former prime minister a leader of a position we are from germany and you forward for six months or so in negotiations to forming a new coalition have you faced this kind of negotiations you know lifestream how many journalists were covering the negotiations between these medical leave free democrats or social democrats or how many. i remember we're talking about that goes
on in the early no no this is. right that's the developers of the interview and you agreed to answer questions on i mean exactly but they want to compare as a situation we have at least through the european public school culture because our media wants to become more democratic country one more european by essence so we can think left european experience you can say that you could have around of political negotiations just in front of the camera having a live stream because it's impossible you can have statements in front of the camera you can have a live stream when you are delivering a press conference but nothing too serious that i should just after all these years yes you have you built up an enormous network of patronage with an elite that this still feasting off the massive corruption that your party embedded to many early too many vested interests too many people with too much to lose these people are going to start very very shoaling this air in society the way you've. come if
you allow me to come back to the first question you pose of white house for sure we had for trying to have had the background of the problems not solve conflicts finally i mean corruption you could ration level of poverty but i mean you know in this is something indicative swer not so bad if you compare we've you're getting worse if you're if you're not true this is a new report by the freedom house says your corruption rating is drawn if you compare the situation in your new year we've so called associated countries like ukraine georgia and moldova in all fields army incentives were quite tall but are quite high even in comparison with the countries who are european only associated over there so despite we had many challenges on the new government will continue to face these challenges so the problem is that should you. problems exist thinking armenian politics will remain until the new government should face the expectations
or raise the expectations of the people and i do want them to succeed because otherwise you probably are not afraid of iran than other vicious circle for i mean your political life according to freedom you have contributed massively to this corruption they said because you've solidified systemic corruption they accuse your party of consolidating power over the executive legislative and judicial branches and say you weren't prepared to act against high level your research in other words can i just finish the question i let you finish the answer in other words you let the powerful get away with abusing the system that's the view of freedom our freedom house before my respect from government comes from national organisations after parliamentary elections of two thousand and seventeen we got quite positive statements from going to zation of security and cooperation in europe parliamentary assembly from european parliament for the council of europe parliaments or
somewhere about the recent collection us so please if you refer to any kind of source of information in this case very specific transnational and your. at the same time as a quotations from as internationally recognized political organizations responsible for the election of their wealth they said we have corruption in armenia and how do you have racial happiness in your vote by as well. i want to remind you of the main idea of the all final statement after parliamentary elections we hand finally despite all the problems reduced to during the vote change the political will of the armenian people has been reflected during the vote in favor as a result of this war released find exactly freedom or said last year that there were widespread i don't recall of major violations in your twenty ceratin or so elections which you say were. great but you can change very horrible i never said
it was great another subject i said that it was for of corruption this that i should just i know you'd like to clean up your record but one of your party representatives nothing very damn just expressways so i'll just stomach corruption happens to be one of your policy take that meeting part of the responsibility for one of your party representatives a lady called her mean. was actually quoted on the subject of vote buying just before those twenty seventeen elections she was giving you the green light there's a fantastic quote she said anyone who wants to give electoral bribes is just doing charity whoever wants to give an electoral bribe let them give it never wants to take an electoral bribe let them take it i'm quite surprised they were taishan but if you're talking about another problem over your party if you are talking about the world buying please consider the records of that time statement something very . positive for a republican party or for me ever accused in the actions like this and final before
and of the question does that make you go crazy because other person would just remind the games that make it ok not to troll just to remind us of final statement that the political we were four million people has been expressed as a final result of this vote freedom house reported on employee. fresh in their way so well and other human rights organizations as well can i give you an example exactly it was voted on employees being openly pressured in their place of work to vote for your party example they gave over stuff meeting the major supermarket group in which employees were ordered to secure votes for the company's owner who just happened to be a member of your party and they were threatened with dismissal if they didn't secure those votes so the conclusion is that your party has been acting like bullies to try and get votes you're finished do you deny that you know who. don't denies the facts but they existed were dumb denies evidences but we don't agree
with the news in polling is still growing but there's also starts a bust so let me also you are saying patient you were part of the most patient let me come back for the next time and next time no i do hope that all government will be. saints won so we will have no problems you know. that's that's why we want to save your cards i hope you can watch your party to vote for the latest fashion like they did let me let's me consider what you post in your previous question so. we you want really to understand the political process just you know i mean you should take into account so no so i said to you. endeavor to have a holistic picture you pump takes a fad sons assessment but you want to cite and say about if it was you know easy way of spinning it is rational to you that's an easy way of trying which is again your way out of a different situation i mean your new authorities were not legitimate why european
union signed a new comprehensive and partnership agreement before me and president saracens out that you would improve back was when he was when it was november november just last year six most of the liberals not true not true i just mean a very shrewd listen we sense a duration it's not true because we had no election soft or you can say that there is a hole because they were hoping that you would improve after the agreement had been sung exactly. what has happened after that from november what we did eat but what was the mistake or you were allowed on to power as long as you could when it was apparent that the people no longer wanted you that did anybody believe that these mass mobilization will happen nobody. no they didn't find no way that i say nobody except me called pushing on and he'd speak he's in your circle maybe. it's not the right way to say now is
a. irony phase that you know that everything was bad and you know to me you know you had many problems of this revolution was irrevocable nobody believed that even in its in his political bloke ok mr push enough so let's just get it even if that international media promise of very beginning was saying that such kind of the relevance you know i mean you were quite unexpected mr i should say mr so but it did happen it happened a kind of revolution did happen which is been very closely watched by your closest ally russia you saw how the kremlin enforced what they see as this fear of influence in ukraine and crimea are you worried that the same thing could happen to you here would not just say it will never put the pair of us with ukraine creamier any other countries only think about this by the way quite commonly nordman your
political field mr push you know also. this position of the russia should remain our thirty two partner please find the petition or saying bad from the parliamentary but where are the limits of russia has set for you where are the limits russia never put the limits if you are feeling think about any kind of limits please ask the new government why the position of mr pushing and has been so drastically changed in six months six months when he says he was a main reporter for the bar makes it i mean your exit from the ration i plan to make union proposals is a parliament is a committee of the foreign affairs by the way where i'm cherry so and what has happened during six months of mr pushiness has so dramatically changed his whole position what are the reasons behind so you know who's this is afraid of russia why we should be afraid of russia don't treat don't mean you know when you you when.
look at what happens and this happens so often to opponents friends for screening with frankly speaking we are more afraid from turkey and he says historical memory serves us not to military bases in your country reportedly has russia has two military bases and you just heard of a here for a creation church here has implemented the genocide against the media our media and our media as a country it's a territory don't forget about that if you look at the geography but if you want to frighten armenians by russia if somebody wants to believe it's strange because we have turkey next to us and none of european countries were able to protect the public before the media up to now is a blockade implemented blowtorch you from the militaristic rhetorical president they are big on tragic when you find one reference but any european leaders was successful or open enough to choose are the governing he's military thought in
he's i don't know to take it all the way and this is because you want this program or the world on the other time was the college records taking in mind the armenian genocide you conquer voice the other security of lives to head back and talk about so is bad but i just know that it's a present future it's present the future it's a presence it's just that let's talk about that let's. are you going to assist the new governor are you going to admit that your party has failed and are you going to help constructively the new one to make progress to battle against corruption the battle against vote by all the things that you promised to do very well and that did not true we did we did it and you can't avoid reporting of the progress and not mean you know the system you can't avoid it so we stipulated very clearly that we had two criteria us or supporting a new government formation and prime minister election. end of civil disobedience
it happened as a moment. a second enough signature for four pounds of fresh fold necessary for the nomination mr pushing and did it so i think that the republican party or for me was ceased selection of the new prime minister because the army is a situation where it's better to have any prime minister and any government haven't at all so it's very clear that republican party or for me as a should experience knowledge instead is of quite institutionalized and strong by the way we kept our unity we kept our unity by voting for against for the first stage of the shore to our opponents that a republican party for me is quite united and quite strong to be one i was a major stakeholders for me a political life we've we've run out of town
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