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tv   Conflict Zone - Guest Mevlut Cavusoglu  Deutsche Welle  June 4, 2018 1:30am-2:01am CEST

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balanced liberal media fall in. place it. begins with the first and every language the first word in. germany to learn german one. simple online. learning course. german. turkey is not an easy ally for the west to manage viciously insulting if it doesn't get its way it alternates between pressing hard for membership and pretending it no longer needs it my guest here in the german city of goff is the turkish foreign minister met lute travel scholer are the differences between turkey and the e.u. becoming impossible to reconcile.
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welcome to convert zone thank you to recognize these comments naziism is still widespread in the west the netherlands are nazi remnants and fascists now those are the capital of fascism tulips were sent to holland from turkey during the time of the ottomans it seems that the tulips have not made the prime minister and racist politicians in the netherlands real men well comments from you and your president do you see any reason why the e.u. should deal with you as a candidate member if you're going to insult them like this while last year when the netherlands didn't want to allow us to meet the turkish people in the netherlands there was a passion and rhetorical was very high and it was coming from both sides and i didn't start that. and when the want to think when you and what they call you when
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the prime minister of the netherlands. told me that i can go to netherlands to see the tulips but i cannot see the turkish people how can you define that rich rich stand that with democratic seats that country reached their rooms no one can decide where there's another sovereignty sovereignty no it is not it is not it is when when when the when there is a case such cases you can criticize any country when there is this isn't going to says and does not vicious you know it's not as he wishes it is vicious it is no it is not it's not that you this is how you do your people know this is diplomacy your hairstyle is it you have your own you have your own understanding of democratic and when you. while the democratic stand that you said it is so and so
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how can you try to teach democracy to turkey then who gives you the right then if you have if you think that you have the right to criticize turkey for this and that you should also accept that i can criticize any country when they while a democratic standard you have to evaluate you have done no knowledge to your relations with europe because two months no i did the european commission reported by law to relations with several e.u. member states not deteriorated rapidly at times offensive and unacceptable read to me one example this is what they say two months ago just as what the european union that what they were european countries and what they were european union says is right and whatever you say wrong. so tell you what it is it this is this is your problem you think that you are the boss you are the first class country you are the first you are the first class nations turkey is the second class country turkish people said anything about second class this is this is called you second class you
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don't have to say directly but this is we received this from the very the from the point that you have how you are treating turkey and turkish people and are you i have tried to be an hour late being treated for exercise their right to tell you whether you can give a speech which would have security implications how about the freedom of assembly. freedom of speech and you are trying to see me less is of this is this is your double standard is no it is not my levels are the reasons i will stand it you are you are complaining about the lack of democracy if you are absolutely the double standard of the europe and the rest unfortunately at this moment which i will show you are complaining about a lack of democracy in europe at the same time as the united nations is telling you that you have violated the rights of hundreds of human rights of hundreds of thousands of people in your own country no that is not so so this is a talk received on
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a grand scale is not hypocrisy it is your hypocrisy and for sure the united nations is a hypocrite is it you know we face the terrible attempted coup and then i had to take the measures my security secretary or my people is important more more important than your comments and your understanding you don't want to understand what happened in turkey and many countries in the us supported the plotters now many countries in the us actually giving different type of status asylum to all these plotters including the former military officials why don't why didn't you would support the democracy in turkey when we faced this military coup so should i sit and stay there until they come back and they took over they took their through or were the democratically elected government and demagogue this to destroy the democratic institutions in turkey something you're going to do i show you because they are like the night i was being made earlier sides if you read it because german foreign minister foreign ministers have been working with me and i have been
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working with them i had been normalizing my the turkish way she is with us ria because the new foreign minister has to try charlotte don't know country let me because i am letting you know you are not i'm trying to ask you some cause you are not yet you are not letting the speak you ask the question after my first sentence you cut and you make me. more comment than i would put the question let me answer and you have to respect you don't even have respect till to me and you don't have plenty of respect no i'm just trying to get an answer to a question is not the way to make the interview you said ask the question make your comment and wait until i give the answer this is how we do the interview if you think that now you are trying to foreign minister who malaysian the foreign minister of turkey like this this is not the way man you are trying to humiliate she said what you have been trying to ask you are in such a long ago that a question here it isn't a question is
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a question put the question last july yeah foreign minister zygmunt gabriele of germany complained about your imprisonment of the jewel national journalist danny as usual and he said your president was trying to muzzle every critical voice so mr other one hit back telling him he should know his limits who are you to talk to the president of turkey he said how old are you do you expect european governments to to bow down and flatter your problem well when we can size the german authorities and we get also similar similar comments and they have been also insulting me from the time when the recording is high unfortunately you see the statements coming from such statements come from both sides this is what they say later on i worked with the same foreign minister gabriele to normalize their relations i visited him at his house he offered me a key and turkish did and we worked together to normalize relations and we have
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made a lot of progress why don't you focus and pay more attention to this process but only the negative aspect of our relations which was in the past what is extraordinary the light of your comment over the last two years is that you are now pressing to join the e.u. within the next five years this is according to your deputy prime minister reggie tag what he told. german newspaper developed a few days ago he accused the e.u. of acting unfairly allowing several balkan countries to join first and he said turkey deserves to join the e.u. earlier than any other can't have turkey has been waiting for sixty years and in the last sixteen years we made a lot of reforms when we had the best relations with the european union i mean two thousand and six immediately after we started the negotiations and some countries france and also the european union commission block several chapters and those days
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we didn't have any bad relations with the europeans it was excellent so what he's trying to do that it's to say that my deputy prime minister you want when we do the reforms and when we reach the opening and closing benchmarks of the chapters unfortunately due to the political obstacles we haven't made any progress so why don't you respect his opening he's the deputy prime ministers and you question every statement of one turkish politicians but one you would never question the european side or the army standards we have of course we question the european side but you don't represent europe so i'm i don't like that and we were you i know you're very sensitive of turkey i must tell you about on those i am carrying member of the council of europe my friend and i share the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe for two years when you are here as a foreign minister and you are also a member of nato we are member of the o.e.c.d. and we are the party iotas we are not asking for us either we are part of the
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europeans are likely to or not to be part of that you are mr foreign minister why if you want to continue did your president tell parliament in ankara last october to tell the truth we don't need the membership anymore so which is it you want it in five years or you don't want it anymore which is a this is the reaction. there is. the reaction. when european union behaves turkey that on that turkey needs european union turkey needs european union and european union needs turkey we are everywhere of this but some european countries unfortunately don't see the fact so why so you don't even the man on the set your needle tongue trees in the european union actually against turkey's membership made big my shirt off the e.u. countries you members this actually are in favor of turkish is why internationally you know one membership anymore he said you struck you as
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a lawyer as it were the reaction to this is the reaction of the country who has been waiting at the door for sixty years ok sixty years so i was away that it is turkey is a mistake so why they said yes so why threaten europe in march last year when the deadline date running what can what kind of threaten in march last year what is the sematic route with germany was at its height your president said that if europe continues this way no european in any part of the world can walk safely on the streets that's what he said that's a threat that's a direct threat no it is not a trap cannot not be a threat it is not a threat it is the actually he is warning the europe if you are in hypocrisy in our fight against terrorism and if you are of the terrorists to active to be active in your countries. if you. believe that the batteries but
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is the best one if you allow them to raise money forcibly if you are there illegal activities in your countries and in the future then nobody will be safe because what president wanted to say that do not support the terrorist organizations and take the same measures against all the terrors all sorts of terrorists without any double it sounded very much like the what is it is not a threatening this or are you like to interpret in april you received the most damaging assessment of your progress so far by the european commission they spoke of major steps in the wrong direction and said turkey had suffered serious relapses in the areas of justice rule of law fundamental rights and freedom of expression and cited measures taken since the attempted coup has widespread dismissals arrests and detentions all of which raise serious concerns though i do not buy i do not
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want to i reject all of these critics is why should i what should i do with the persons who are actively involved in the attempted go. there walking into the two hundred literally three thousand people have been arrested no that is not true not because of the there are people who are sellers up to banks there are murderers there are a person there are the rock traffickers you know do you need to curtail what they do what they do with this kind of people in your country do you have some advantage of her right leg was good question let me give you asked me a question yes i cannot speak over as you did and i'm trying to answer and what would you do for the people who are involved in the crime in your country there are more than two thousand turks from turkey not the turks living in germany in the prison why did you put them in the prison then why because maybe they are involved in the crime i cannot say that they are innocent because you have the huge issue here rest of the world isn't buying these explanations is that the chief human
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rights if you like and i justify it if you like i say the question if you don't like you don't you don't buy it this is the offer do you think the senior boss yeah i'm not the boy i'm talking about or syria i'm talking about the senior human rights official of the united nations who is concerned by arbitrary mass dismissals of civil servants and private sector employees arbitrary closure of civil society organizations arbitrary detention the use of torture deal treatment during pretrial detention restrictions on free expression and movement arbitrary expropriation of private property those are things that he is concerned about not me he's concerned i'm talking about the chief security right sophisticated or my people is more important than what he's saying and he's a biased person and there's a conflict of interest i know him very well ok and these people these associations belong to the top which also which is who i don't know is fertile farmland that i
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don't know is a terrorist organizations and i was a motorist because people don't know because many of. western countries were very happy on that night ok because. he attempted to cool but he failed and in the morning many western countries who like him very much regretted that the coup failed therefore for you he's a good man but for turkish people which western country very active portico has a good man and for others and for turkish people and for many other friendly countries he this is a terrorist organization that's why many countries are closing their networks and the schools in those countries which guess which western country hailed the coup which western countries approved of the coup unfortunately the majority of which which was given a more than even date night even though you can't name me one name i can give you which one which one of many european kind which one many of i have almost all of
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you can't you can't give me one you walk a mile saying why nobody came to visit us after the coup you can't give me a single one almost all of them really yes and you can't give me a single name almost all of them you can't pick one get one almost all of them pick one almost all are censors almost all of the really yes you have no evidence for that whatsoever i have the evidence of that i many ministers that night actually question me three o'clock in the morning how turkey was going to treat this plotters instead of asking me how i was doing personally and how the situation was in turkey who do you think people are going to believe the un human rights official who speaks out against human rights violations in the world or you representing in the ministration which is charged with massive abuse of human rights of ask is going to going to be is up to you and it is up to the people. you think you think human rights are just artificial obstacles note you know because your president
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said in a recent interview i call on the e.u. to remove these artificial obstacles artificial obstacle means the political obstacles to the rise of racism islamophobia some countries are against turkey's membership this is a exactly what i meant you know president is what he's saying that turkey is ready to continue their relations with the european union on the basis of the standards democratic standards but if you look at the obstacles because of cyprus or because of sarkozy because of that all of them are artificial and the political one ok mr foreign minister let's talk about factual of the islamic cleric in the states you've asked the states to he's a terrorist or give her values now that you tell me i know can i give you the question first yes but you have other i have to disagree with you have asked us
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just what i mean look it when you are close to us these are a lot of ideas is that he's a promoter and he's a terrorist i understand what you say you like what he did in china that's why you said islamic cleric this is exactly what i meant now you answer i'm not you i'm not going to use your leg now you are answering the years in that you put yourself you want the u.s. to extradite him yes. what is causing increasing concern in the united states is the fact that in april twenty sixth you're arrested an american missionary andrew branson apparently to hold as a bargaining chip unless and until the u.s. extradite school and the reason we know that is because you know that this is what's how this is what you're this is what your president admitted in the speech last autumn he said about the americans give us the pass the back they say you have one pastor as well meaning given to us then we will try him branson and give him to
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you what is that if not hostage diplomacy is not of this diplomacy my friend what is it the ransom the offering in exchange is accused and the indictment is there if you have if you spare five minutes to read the indictment you will see what kind of accusations there are in the indictment it is a poorly judicial process it is not a particularly motivated process so why are you offering to trade him no he didn't we never offered you get no we didn't give us a pastor back no have one we have given to us we never try and give them to you he never did that but when that there are agreements between between the countries including between turkey and the united states actually to extradite the people or to exchange of the prisoners to is to sometimes when the prisoner a sentence for instance you can send it to him or her to. her or his
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host countries these are the agreements it can happen but if you are offering anchoring or we had we didn't of an i am telling you that there ag limits no no no no give you no support i gave you the quote this is how you are interpreted and we have we have never been in this kind of bargaining with any country my friend and only sometimes the intelligence is actually walked together to. dight some terrorists or when there is a serious situation this is a kind of cooperation between the countries but pastor is has been detained he has not been charged but there are serious accusations you read the indictment and you can see yourself what kind of if you show her the next year minister let's talk about syria you're playing you said a leading role in the political process with syria you therefore have to take some of the blame for the fact that this process has got precisely nowhere has it geneva
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a stand such as the russians have allowed president assad to basically keep winning the war and have cemented his position you said you wanted assad out you are further away from achieving that goal that anytime you well we believe that. that cannot rule this country anymore because he has killed almost one million people and it is it is not only after me you know you're playing a leading role in the talks that i'll tell you it is up to the syrian people actually at the end to decide to whom actually who should going to rule the country maybe that's why we need to prepare the country for the democratic elections turkey has been playing an important role crucial role at different platforms and since aleppo we have been working we started working with russia then we included iran as well because you're like it or not iran is also an important actor we disagree with
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iran on different issues including as at but this is a major issue this is this is the issue and their work you want your interest of but they now you have got your best friend this is that they are not my best friend i have been working with them but you don't have to agree on everything with a country or person or to work together sometimes you can put this. limits in the brackets but asked on a process for instance have been very helpful to actually. consulate date the ceasefire the escalation zones and also to take some confidence building steps between measures between the regime and the opposition in libya the power law the man who has killed a million people in cairo your by your accusation you cement his power that's no no no that's not true it's about that is after we have never changed our position the
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russians are not going to let russia all your know that this is a very serious problem shiria it is not only my problem i'm trying to explain what the situation is and what we have been trying to do ok he asked anarky such as it was only once and wheeling sochi to geneva the problem is nobody is paying enough attention to geneva i mean the political process not it is not only about russia and iran it is also about our allies in the cold ition so we dart i mean get in without taking any steps forward all making any progress or achievements in geneva how can we be sure about the political solution now the constitutional committee has to be formed but i am i am i pessimistic about everything year no not not very pessimistic in in almost a year and a half we made a lot of progress but we still must do
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a lot more together all right and they're not all going out of time ok i just and then well you know there was a short period equal attention to both fighting terrorists and also to the political problems one last question minister your elections are coming up in june parliamentary presidential elections you've invited the o.s.c. e the organization for security and cooperation in europe to monitor these elections as we did before. as you did before and the ransom of europe and the parliament as you rejected their criticism out of hand when they said to you that the vote last year had not lived up to the standards of the s.c. and the council of europe your president said i do not see hear or acknowledge reports by the o. s. c.e. observer mission so why bother to invite them once again when you are going to reject any criticism no i don't object to criticism and we have been whiting or c. or c. order and parliamentarism of the council of europe to monitor the elections in turkey
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every single elections when there is a local elections actually a council of europe it again or observes the elections last year some of the members of this at the committees unfortunately participated to campaign or. pro p.k. k. party h.t.t.p. including under who go who is a german policy or like what they say you accuse so of being pro peace or play so the observers should be or projective and balance they can not take a site they cannot part i also observe elections in many countries during my years at the council of europe so. should be objectively and balanced we can not take a site we cannot participate the campaigns of any particular party and unless thank you for the result you want there going to be by an hour if you're called on if you participated in propaganda you are biased if you support the p.k. k.
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