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his brother for the last time chang signed received a letter from north korea from his brother delivered through a contact in china that was ten years ago it made sense signed happy and sad at the same time. when i saw the photo i could tell they were my brother but you can see how impressive he looks rather than actually i remember him as such a cheerful person. you know. his brother passed away shortly after chang signed got the letter with but he left behind a family of his own. hopes that with thawing relations between north and south and the upcoming summit he might finally get the chance to meet his relatives. with a moment as i get older my desire to meet them is growing stronger i want to get to know that side of my family now with the summit no one seems more likely we'll have a chance to meet which i'm still not sure if i should trust the politicians but i
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just can't help but hope it will finally have. people really money could be there's a. chance china isn't the only one in south korea getting his hopes up. many here believe that the summit will produce a positive outcome maybe even paving the way for a peace treaty to finally end the korean war sixty five years after the last shot was fired and more and more south koreans are even changing their mind about north korea's dictator kim jong il and self is in the t.v. . you've got to get what he said and what he was. probably smarter than i thought i got the impression he's actually leading the country sort of. three months and was. turning. into a korean summit changed many people's opinions about him. but that doesn't change
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the fact that it is oppressive communist regime the young it. is the biggest issue during the meeting as a career i have the impression that he has to give up the weapon to say i hope the us or summit flow through. good agreements to. all expect somebody. based on the inner screen of somebody a few weeks ago i would like to hear something great such as the declaration to end the korean war. so many of us wish to see them. sometimes one side and his wife come to the national cemetery in seoul to find his brother's name on the wall of missing soldiers. even though chance the book is no
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longer missing they don't want his name deleted soul was his home they say they hope that maybe one day his children in north korea can come here to. join me now in studio four a tele transatlantic fellow in the asia program at the german marshall fund we just saw that report on possible reunification at least the hopes are reunification family reunification how are south koreans viewing this summit in terms of that are they hope for are they cynical and critical because these kinds of promises have been made before by the north koreans when my past meetings with south koreans i could see a generational divide the older people that have still lived through some of the years still had family they were very keen on reunification and the younger people were but they were kind of doing the math and say this is going to cost us a lot of money they have seen the german example they've seen what we can if acacia
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means so i think they used to be a big divide but with the moon government coming in last year he has really reinvigorated that spirit of engagement with with north korea and i think this is sort of wearing off on the younger generation too they're seeing the opportunities that this might bring and they're also kind of in that spirit it is something that is it's a vibrant now that if you look at south korean news it's a lot of positive reporting about the summit summit as well. so there they think that this could actually this could actually be different and it could mean change and it could actually mean peace for them eventually in terms of what the media is reporting you just mentioned south korean news casters are potential looking in a positive way we know very little about what the north koreans are seeing but boston earlier mentioned that this is the first time that north koreans got some information before a summit like this they didn't know necessarily about the summit that took place at the end of april between the south korean north korean leader what could this mean well this is a piecemeal feeding of information and i don't know what exactly the north korean
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government wants to achieve with this but certainly they want to be in control about every single thing that's going into the country but this is not the case anymore especially in the border regions in the north there is information flowing and there's information from the outside flowing into the country so it will be hard to control that narrative for a long long time and he knows that so i guess this is kind of teaching the north koreans the more international face of north korea that is now for trade now we are just a short while ago the u.s. president and the north korean leader sitting side by side and signing this joint document we're not entirely sure what's in that document was rather tight lipped about that he said they'll hand it out to the reporters so we should find out in a short while and we're also let's remind viewers that we're waiting for u.s. president to give a press conference so we'll carry that for you live of course as soon as he walks out to speak to the press should be read into anything of the fact that didn't really answer any questions in terms of what were some concrete details of the
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contents of that document yeah i wouldn't read too much into this at the moment i think this is fair to say that he has a press conference scheduled where he wants to present all of the results that that have been achieved the results are probably not stunning the results are probably relatively weak but leave lots of room for compromise leave lots of room for maneuver for both sides which is a good thing so i think this is not i wouldn't i went over. or estimate the situation this was the signing the press conference comes later ok and in terms of legitimacy this is been a key word that we've been talking about throughout this historic day especially of course for the north korean government to be able to sit next to a sitting american president legitimizes the north korean regime have they already been successful before you can see this document yes they have already been successful at the moment he landed in singapore basically on an on an air aircraft so i think there this is you know if you see this from
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a north korean perspective if you spin it like that he asked the leader of the free world to come to a place in asia in his region he's not jetlag trump is just like he's traveling from canada all over there. he has forced the chinese to basically to cover for his airfare there and no one really knows who picks up the bill in the end at the five star hotel that kim jong un has delegation reds and so if you look at it from that perspective he is gaining a lot from this in terms of what is actually substance to be achieved we don't know and it will all say it will all in the end matter and just you know what is the process what is tomorrow what is the day after what is next week and next month and in terms of kim jong un's public image we're going to turn now to our correspondent e.w. corresponded to bureau chief in washington but she's in singapore right now alexandra phenomenal xandra if you can hear me can you tell us a little bit about kim jong un's public image and how much it has shifted in the
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last six months and especially with the summit today. i'm. sure i may be first of all i can update you on my position so i'm not now i'm with my fellow journalist on the descent health island where we are just heading to the venue for president trumka scheduled to hold his press conference and we are of course all of us are eager to learn more about the contents of the document that was signed today and talking about kim jong un it's of course the question whether he really willing to send nuclearized to get rid of. those korea's nuclear weapons this is something that many experts who are skeptical about however experts i also talked to told me that he might be a dispenser first and that he's father that she is someone who has been educated said today in the west in switzerland and that he has promised to people
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that he is going to concentrate on boosting the economy and that therefore he might see willing really to to do something about improving their relations with the you ask and other countries in the region. alexander you just mentioned that kim jong un has public image and what this could mean for attention for the north korean economy what would kim jong un when he looks back on this summit consider a success. well we have to say that the summit itself was a huge p.r. win for the north korean leader at the fact that he was able to meet with the u.s. president donald trump because it's man steps donald trump is treating him as an equal and that is something that is of course very important for the regime and
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actually only for this is the also wanted. have such a meeting so it is a huge win for kim jong own and know off to the signing of this document he is presumably hoping that so the north korean the then the source korea is going to get relief of sanctions that there might be economic help. is everything you know is going to happen the way. that he was expected to signing this document of course we know that for the u.s. government it's important to see a complete reversible verifiable denuclearization of north korea alexander as you were speaking or watching images from just a short while ago of the two leaders and this is such a great shift from what we just saw months ago trump once described him as the little rocket man and it was reported that north korea called trump an old lunatic
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and now they seem to be the best of friends is this a case of both sides simply saving face. i wouldn't see it this way i think that's going to trump really wanted this comment to happen that he wanted to achieve something. and. has reached out to the you asked governments it was a good occasion you know to for that you ask president to. prove that he is a great deal maker that he is someone a very unique president that would be able in the end to close the deal could be more successful that anyone any of where you as president in the past. alexandro we heard mike pompei o. yesterday say that the only outcome the united states is willing to accept is that
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acronym again c.v. id complete verifiable and irreversible denuclearize ation is there any indication from pyongyang or kim jong un today that north korea would even consider something like this. well of course you know we are hearing right now and i don't have any official confirmation for that is that people don't want to have to clear out and. join document that north korea is willing to get nuclear right however we don't have any you know. that i mean if that's true then how this is going to happen and you might know it being a key issue. and it. was the main problem that actually the north koreans were always promising to make the right and in the end they never were really willing to give up their weapons if their record.
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in terms of the nuclear eyes ation really known that the definition of nation means two different things i'll come to you now to the united states as i mentioned id complete verifiable irreversible denuclearization and to the north koreans perhaps it means something else well to the north koreans it means a step by step process and means that they are willing to give something for other steps and they have feeling. and circled by the u.s. military power in the region not only in south korea and they would like the u.s. to back off because that would be their part of denuclearization and they are within the missile range of u.s. nuclear weapons at all times so i think this is the other part of the definition from the north korean side yeah the north koreans in terms of security assurances are guarantees they're obviously going to want something in return for denuclearize asia and the kim regime kim jong il and his father's grandfather have always looked
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at this from the perspective of self-defense not only within the region but in terms of the united states why what kind of assurances would they want there has been talk yesterday also of pompei zero in terms of u.s. troop removal pompei a wouldn't really speak to that and that seems like a rather. drastic measure but after today could that even be possible couple of months ago when this was all of the making someone said to me well this u.s. president could could actually be one president that would be actually interested in bringing those troops back home and let's sell that as a victory what would that mean for the overall security posture of the u.s. in the region i think that's a different story so just making that argument and saying we will reduce the troop numbers by half for example would be something that the u.s. could do but it will show a sign of weakness as well and at a time where and i think we shouldn't forget the overall strategic environment in which the u.s. is playing there there are it is in a min and yet in a war it's like situation with china in many ways or in
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a preparation for another one like the tension in preparations for war at each point so this is the big strategic a verse or a this is china and so we have to just be very careful about how this would shift china strategic options in the region how much of a withdrawal could the u.s. afford to not ruin a strategic posture in the region as a significant piece started to or also in the asia pacific as you mentioned could potentially if they were to ever even consider this pulling out u.s. troops he could certainly sell that to his base at home as a positive i'm bringing our boys and girls home and they shouldn't be there in the first place and this is not our business and it's costly and it's costly exactly and this should be something that those countries should deal with that south korea should deal with south koreans specifically president and is obviously watching this he had a sleepless night last night waiting for the summit to take place if something like that were to occur again we're speculating because there hasn't been any confirmation that there will be u.s. troop withdrawal withdrawal how would seoul react to something like this. i think there are two hearts beating and so is chest and we would have to be have to see
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what the results are i don't think they will comment on this very quickly the security guarantees that the u.s. has has provided has secured the economic success of south korea over the past decades so they are not easily going to be willing to give up that that potential but they're also interested in closer economic relations with their other big partner with china so i think that maybe in the end you know some sort of a middle ground could be a way through this and has a speech just to remind our viewers that we're waiting for u.s. president donald trump to give a press conference where he's meant to give more details about the joint document that he signed with north korean leader kim jong il and we're not entirely sure what the contents of that document are but a lot of observers and potentially people around the world who are watching this story event are asking the question why should north korean leader kim jong un trust donald trump when donald trump has pulled out of the iran deal a significant iran deal that yes it was a previous administration that brought that together but he also just this past
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weekend left canada a g. seven summit with the closest allies that america has and turned around and said i'm pulling out of that joint statement i don't agree with that anymore why would kim jong un trust this man i don't think you trust and i don't think it matters at this point in time he wants something out of this he has interests that he's pursuing and that is increasing his legitimacy at home and increasing the economic prosperity of north korea he needs sanctions relief the maximum pressure campaign and especially china's tightening of sentient sanctions has led to a situation where conjunction is definitely under pressure so he needs to react so whatever he can make out of this he will need to he need some success out of this he doesn't need to trust president trump yet and perhaps president trump doesn't need to trust kim jong un we don't necessarily know whether he does or not because hearing the accolades that he was pouring on him calling him a very talented man a man that loves his country we heard that a short while ago after they signed the joint declaration what kind. of sense does do you think trump could potentially have in terms of he just met him and he didn't
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really speak a lot about that but would you think that he would trust kim jong un because previous north korean leaders including his father have reached out to south korea and other western countries and have suggested that they could potentially do nuclear eyes but they haven't done that so why would the time be any different. it's very hard to say what donald trump with think of can john at this point in time i don't think it's a political scientists question i think a social psychologist or psychologist could maybe answer this and i don't want to go into speculation about what donald trump might think but he has this strategy of going by his gut and saying you know he wants does he knows if after five minutes whether he can trust a person or not and if that's all he needs and that maybe he doesn't know that complete and utter trust that he would you know marry his daughter to kim jong il and it is just enough trust for a process to start which would be ok. hold on right there i've got some breaking news coming in the document that donald trump the u.s.
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president and north korean leader kim jong un have signed in singapore at the end of their summit seeks the complete denuclearize ation of the korean peninsula the trump administration has repeatedly said the denuclearize nation was its objective for the summit is unsure whether the document also commits north korea to international inspections i'm joined here now by or tell a transatlantic fellow in the asia program of the german marshall fund of the united states that's a very significant piece of information of course we don't know whether north korea has agreed to inspection whether this could be a verifiable process they haven't been open to allowing inspectors into their country in the past what do you make of this well as long as it just says the nuclear is ation it doesn't mean much but that's something that's a step i mean you can this is a diplomatic process that can then take on another step and another step inspections will have to be part of this that much level if it were talking about
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trust before i don't think that trust level could been established in less than ten minutes that trusts kim jong un that if he says he denuclearize this he doesn't need any proof you have to wait and see. transatlantic felt fellow in the asia program at the german marshall fund in the united states thank you so much for your insights. now north and south koreans have gone their separate ways since the armistice ended the korean hostilities and one nine hundred fifty three japanese photographer you sukey she has taken a series of portraits of people on both sides of the demarcation line and where motifs depict similar lives but the surroundings prosperous south improv version north could hardly seem more different the idea is simple and the results are astonishing.
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to many who don't know what they're going to do you know every country has its own rules that people live by that's just the way it is i don't want to judge what's right or what's wrong not to do when you're innocent. or who was happy or unhappy. north korea on the left juxtaposed with south korea on the right so similar yet some different. could do a single ethnicity of people who speak the same language and share similar names who have been divided for seventy years and lead completely different lives in two different societies what i know was have i come when it's about this and. he she does photo a series is called border korea it explores the two separate realities on either side of the border formed by the thirty eighth parallel the pictures taken on
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a dozen trips to the south and seven to the north are simple and intimate. i mean that it is not this it's good timing for this exhibition given the current developments but i don't think i'd regard the pictures only in that context they wanted also you know ok now looking you out and of course people are influenced by big political events and i thought they don't they go get a modest but these pictures show that people live life at their own pace that's what kind of editor the photos portray ordinary people at various stages of life threatening secondary school children married couples all senior citizens i try to capture moments in a cycle are in a lifetime through the doors having to do this. the photographer worked under both systems and social backdrops. although he had much more difficulty in the north. he had less time on his hands there and was always monitored
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especially during interaction with his subjects. on the bio months i spotted this girl in a park she was roller blading i asked if i could photograph her and she said yes you. do then top tucson is good or. a picture was paired with this teenager from south korea. to first find his motifs in the north. the similarities are often striking although those portrayed sometimes disagree. you're not alone for my netflix that's all thin no i was surprised that the girl on the right wasn't particularly enthusiastic about the north korean counterpart she just said so that's what she
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looks like ok more than i'd expected her to say something like oh i'm with the same . maged but with totally different because she just didn't go that. took both. the screw. the project started in two thousand and nine as talks on north korea's nuclear program were collapsing. last year south korea elected a liberal president who has brought new momentum to relations between north and south korea. many see this as a turning point. so. i'm a bit confused by all the momentous changes underway you know and sort of to model them with and i was able to do this project because the two countries are so different. if they grow closer my idea wouldn't work as well.
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to be honest i'm glad i managed to do it when i did my. mind yet they were cut out to you know the whole of this thing. of the unification between north and south korea is still hard to imagine he she does audience already has a hard time telling comes from we are. just a reminder of the top story we're following for you u.s. president donald trump and north korean leader kim jong un have signed a joint document at their historic summit in singapore reports say the document and this is the complete denuclearize vision of the korean peninsula kim thank trump for making this summit happened. and that comes after the two leaders shared a historic handshake at the start of their meeting came jiang and said the two contraries have over campoli prejudices and obstacles to reach this point we'll continue to bring you events from singapore as being of her thanks for joining us
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lengthy. period. president and north korean leader kim jong un agree moving nuclear weapons from the korean peninsula ideal they find out there commits calls for the complete denuclearize vision of the peninsula it's been a historic day in singapore.

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