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well returning now to our top story reports are coming in that that german interior minister horace abel for also the leader of the bavarian sea is you party has offered his resignation to his party this follows a meeting in which the party leadership discussed whether to accept or reject a deal by chance or uncle americal with the e.u. on migration policy as a whole for had reportedly said he was unhappy with the agreement and felt it did not go far enough they hope for a once in germany to turn away some asylum seekers at the country's borders but the chancellor has insisted on europe wide solutions we're expecting an announcement from the c.s.u. shortly and we'll be bringing you that live when it happens let's go now to our correspondents michelle that kirschner who's standing by in munich and melinda crane in berlin me shiela any word yet whether those reports are now
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confirms what do we know about the who for his next move. well we're still. stepping up to those microphones you see behind me in that conference room away from learning what the outcome of this very dramatic evening indeed will be we understand that there has been this offer to for him to resign he would have to ask for his regular resignation or to be relieved from his duties to the german chancellor but we're not there yet we're seeing intense discussion of serious you delegates here in the corridors and we're getting a clear sense that although there was a lot of deliberation about that key point that sticking point of whether germany would turn away migrants at its border specifically bavaria would visibly turn away previously registered migrants from its borders shifting to this question of political credibility that something hostile for we learned mentioned during those
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discussions here at the c.s.u. headquarters in munich and not on the other and of course you have the german chancellor angela merkel who doesn't put this issue of political crisis credibility or personal credibility on the table as much as hostile for did but it really is a question of credibility for her too because she's the one who championed this idea of finding a pan-european solution from day one. rejected her migration policy from day one and here we are this came to a head now and became very personal and very hurtful and harmful to this union of c.d.u. c.s.u. indeed with of course potentially dramatic consequences for the stability of the german government now melinda you are in berlin and just a short time ago at this general secretary of the city you. are made a very brief statement to the media what have you been hearing following her words
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. well basically. there is no clear indication of where this conflict a conflict goes from here despite what she had to say her statement amounted to an endorsement of the chancellor's position that any policy on this issue of secondary migration meaning migrants who have registered elsewhere in the countries on the southern border of europe and then try to move on to countries like germany that basically she has been saying all along and the c.d.u. leadership said once again tonight any policy on that must involve consultation with european partners must involve a multilevel effort within the european union as a whole so that was essentially the gist of her statement but it did offer
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a couple of bridges for the c.s.u. to go over if it's willing to make a compromise and those bridges were that the c.s. c.d.u. leadership said here tonight we feel progress has been made on getting a more effective response on secondary migration and that all in all the leadership was convinced that there had been significant movement thanks to the chancellor's position at the european union summit last week and we've heard from the leadership in other settings over the past two days that they very much ascribe that to the c.s.u. incentives the pressure that essentially has been put on the chancellor and that again is an effort to give the c.s.u. a way to deescalate and still save face but apparently it's not enough for mr say hope for to feel it saves his credibility the chancellor meanwhile has michelle a said sees her own credibility resting on staying sticking to her guns when it comes
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to a multilateral approach. all right so as melinda said the c.d.u. clearly standing behind the chancellor is reiterating their support for her and for her proposals what about the c.s.u. do they stand behind the whole for is more hardline approach on migration. they do stand behind that more hardline approach but as much as we see the ranks closing even amongst the critics of uncle americal in the c.d.u. we have the big question hanging in the air here is well did it really have to come to this i've spoken to several delegates over the past couple of days but also today you say that the union between the c.d.u. and its sister party here in bavaria this cus you that they both the both share a common fate so. this really translates into this is
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a very long lasting marriage almost seven decades and at the same time they might be hitting a really rough patch but they've they're united for their political future while it certainly didn't look that way or doesn't look that way according to hospital for right now who himself put that litmus test out that whatever chance was to bring home from brussels which many delegates here recognize as being more than could have been hoped for but he basically says it's only hot air until it's translated into real action it's not. that the word mended everybody to learn in german ahead of this weekend it doesn't amount to the same as directly rejecting pre-registered migrants the german borders and this is something where hosty will for clearly appears to be very firm to say the very least and for which
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for him became a litmus test of his own political predator latino bridges were built there was a way out another deadline to give the chancellor more time about a month that she herself mentioned today in an interview to actually see results to see implementation on the ground which of course is something she simply cannot produce within twenty four hours. just a couple of days but clearly that point was passed with hosty will for himself and we're now to learn whether this in essence means him exiting from the political stage and how much instability that will bring both to bavaria but more importantly how that will translate in berlin now melinda just earlier today a chance for america gave an interview and in that she urged the who for and his party not to act unilaterally laterally. and now if the reports are indeed
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confirmed that they hope for is resigning what is angle americans next step likely to be. well again it depends on whether he takes his party with him and they leave the governing coalition that would most likely bring the government down there are a couple of scenarios whereby angela merkel might try to govern in a minority government without a majority of the seats in parliament that's not a stable form of government she has always said she doesn't like that format but assuming that he doesn't take his party with him but in fact just steps down or asked to be dismissed personally she would then look for a replacement for him presumably from his party from the c.s.u. so the central question going forward will be does the c.s.u. as a party then stay with this hardline that there has to be a ability to act unilaterally to turn migrants back from the german border without
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agreement with the other e.u. member countries to which those migrants would presumably then be sent back we've already heard from both italy and austria saying they wouldn't take them back so how exactly that would work is very unclear but if the c.s.u. were to stick to that line then the conflict that we have would simply be perpetuated even under a different interior minister so the only real hope that mr say hope for his resignation if it were to occur would end this conflict would be if the c.s.u. itself backs down perhaps in a face saving way perhaps with some sort of vague statements that it is still the intention to proceed with tougher measures at the german border in future something that would allow them to save face but again those are
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a number of unresolved questions that perhaps may not be clarified even tonight. we are getting some reports now that. number of c.s.u. party members who are saying they do not accept they hope for his resignation this does seem to indicate that there is a split even within the c.s.u. party itself what can you tell us about that but basically this whole meeting today is in complete disarray we saw folk go up stairs with b. in a circle of the c.s.u. we understand that there is some resistance to wards him exiting like that but we simply would love to be a fly on the wall in those discussions right now. we just have to sit here and wait and see who for someone who's known of as being unafraid of really taking a political risk
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a man of strong words who at one point also threatened to take the german chancellor before the constitutional court and had to back down who was corrected by the german chancellor when he said that islam was not a part of germany that essentially he had to bet back down and this seems to be one time potentially too many but as you can hear from the language that i'm using we simply do not know what the outcome is until first steps before those microphones that mere fact that he's basically in a small circle of seize you function as they are discussing and simply by this sign language of the delegates who are still downstairs it's safe to say that this really is a story moment in the sea is use history and that at this moment in time until anybody goes on the record quite
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a lot is still possible. if you're just joining us reports are coming in that german interior minister horse they hope for who's also the leader of the bavarian c.s.u. party could be stepping down over disagreements with chancellor angela merkel's migration policies a over says the migration measures put forth by the chancellor do not adequately accomplish what he is seeking they hope for has said he wants germany to turn away some asylum seekers at the country's borders but chancellor merkel has insisted on a coordinated e.u. . coordinated e.u. wide solutions now the general secretary of the c.d.u. c.s.u. sister party spoke a short while ago about her party's migration policy making it clear that disagreements did remain with her bavarian coalition partners let's have a listen to what she said not. with national measures
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such as increased security among many others we believe we will significantly reduce secondary migration in a coordinated sustainable way with the e.u. member states. who are against the use of mahanta them are these negotiations need to be continued disquiet clear as possible so that we can deliver and get real results you know actually turning people away at the borders we believe would send the wrong signal to our partners in the european union. now belinda perhaps if you could bring us up to speed on how exactly we got here. the situation could possibly bring down germany's long standing conservative alliance take us through the steps of what happened. the interior minister is horsey who for who is the head of the bavarian conservative
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c.s.u. that is the sister party of chancellor merkel's christian democratic union he essentially issued an ultimatum to the chancellor about two and a half weeks ago saying that he was prepared to move unilaterally in his powers with using his powers as interior minister to essentially shut certain parts of the german border to migrants and send them back particularly migrants who had registered in other european union countries those are the countries on the extort sternal boundary of europe so countries like spain italy greece and he declared that he would send them back to those countries where they were first registered essentially he gave the chancellor at that time an ultimatum of a couple of days and said that he would begin doing this on monday two weeks ago
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and basically there was then a similar essentially showdown to what we've had here tonight where it was unclear who would blink first but eventually the two sides managed to agree that the chancellor would have a two week period to try to come up with real constructive measures that would limit by grants ability to do what is called secondary migration that is to say to register in a country like italy or spain and then move onward to a country like germany and seek to enter there so she was given two weeks because a european union summit was scheduled for this past week and basically that was the deal that she would have to deliver results at that european union summit well she came back with an agreement. it was agreed on by all twenty eight e.u.
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leaders that there would be significant steps taken to tighten the european union's external boundaries and also to try to begin working together to limit this secondary migration of migrants moving on from the first places they are registered in addition the chancellor was very busy and negotiated up to fourteen bilateral agreements with those countries that are on europe southern peru perimeter in which she got them apparently to agree to take back migrants that germany turned away so she and her party as was reiterated here tonight by the general secretary of the party say that is substantial progress in the direction that the c.s.u. was demanding and therefore we do not see any need or any basis for unilateral turned backs of the kind that the interior minister is still
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insisting. are essentially part of his prerogative in his office as interior minister taking care of security so it remains a standoff and this is what brought us to where we are tonight. we do know that horse they hope for has had long running conflict with chancellor merkel just how personal has all of this become. well right now it seems very personal when you hear haasil for the leader of the c.s.u. and turn to hear a minister talk about credibility and the more personal potentially personal aspect to this is of course that horse was basically stopped from launching from presenting his ma so-called master plan on migration which included as the now infamous measure sixty three the rejection of preregistered migrants who were
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somewhere else in the european union he then got a decision from his c.s.u. party which basically said that unless the german chancellor was to come up with agreements from brussels that amounted to the equivalent effect as rejecting these migrants at the german border he would then take this unilateral action now what we've seen through the course of this afternoon is we've seen some serious you delegates come in here rather cheerful like the leader of the european peoples party in the european parliament manfred to beaver who clearly looks at this from a european perspective but there were also other delegates who felt that the german chancellor had almost over achieved despite the fact that we saw those eastern states poland the czech republic and most probably also hungary over ready to say
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that they didn't really agree to any such bilaspur agreements and they wouldn't even negotiate about it well at the very least there was a misunderstanding but clearly this was a setback nevertheless more than a dozen countries who were willing to enter such an agreement and there was a feeling that this certainly amounted to what hosty hole for had demanded and i think this is where the personal factor came into this first. all or see who was publicly pulled back two weeks ago from launching his initiative and what he did do though is he didn't manage to force the chancellor's hand because in her setting herself this two week deadline and pledging to do these bilateral multilateral deals she already was doing something that she really didn't want to do she always wanted a multilateral deal in brussels she failed to achieve that for years now and even
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those who support her course throughout this will give the c.s.u. credit now for having really brought a new dynamic into this whole process and allowing the chancellor to come back with this and i think we've completely left this factual level now this appears to be about principle about public perception and about primate potentially to a certain degree and i think this is why this use you was able to maneuver itself into this corner and we now see a party here this evening which really is torn between loyalty to its party leader and what many say is common sense which is to back down and to not risk this union with the c.d.u. which also is a basically a backbone of support for the c.s.u.
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party itself also looking ahead to those regional elections here in october. all right and melinda we've been talking about how this coalition is under threat over this issue but what about chancellor merkel herself what does or as they will for as possible likely perhaps they can already say resignation if the reports are indeed confirmed if he does resign is chancellor merkel's position at risk. again it completely depends upon whether he takes his coat his party out of the governing coalition in that case the coalition would no longer have a majority of the seats in parliament and would most likely have to step down and we'd see new elections called that would probably that would almost certainly mean the end of chancellors last the chancellor's last term because she has in fact
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said that she would not. become a candidate again to be chancellor so basically that would be be the twilight of her very long chancellorship but that does not necessarily is not necessarily going to be the case it's possible that mr say hofer would step down but his his party would remain part of the government however they may remain adamant on this issue of unilateral measures to stop secondary migration and in that case the conflict could keep on simmering meeting the government would remain preoccupied and would remain essentially unstable and michelle the talked about leaving the factual level with the facts of migration at the moment are that europe has far fewer migrants coming in than it has at any time since two thousand and fifteen in fact the number has gone down by eighty three percent
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compared to that that year twenty fifteen when over a million migrants came to the shores of europe so there is no pressing issue here and if you look at the number of migrants who actually are involved in this secondary migration that mr c. who for so badly wants to limit immediately we're talking about a couple of hundred people a month the numbers are not such as to justify the kind of dramatic political standoff. what we have seen here over the couple lived of the past couple of weeks what accounts for that standoff is the fact that there are bavarian elections coming up this is a party that very conservative very worried about their long standing majority in the very very worried that the far right party will make gains and they have been seeking to gain support by looking tough on migration but in fact they may have
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pushed it too far because polls show that two thirds of the very young those variance who are polled say we want any solution on this issue in fact to be agreed on with european union partners we do not want to see unilateral action so essentially condemning the course that mr say hofer has chosen in a way to stake his political career on. the right melinda crane at the c.d.u. party headquarters in berlin and krishna at the c.s.u. headquarters in new nick many thanks to both of you. on german interior minister horace a who for who is also the leader of the bavarian c.s.u. party has reportedly offered his resignation to his party who for it wants germany to turn away some asylum seekers at the country's borders by german chancellor angela merkel has insisted on europe wide solutions let's now take
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a look at the crack that has become a chatham for the counselor. it seems like ages ago but not even one year has passed since our give a miracle and her party won the last german elections for the fourth time in a row. but since then it has become lonely in the berlin chancellery americal could be undermined not by the opposition but by her closest allies because they simply cannot stand medical's liberal refugee policy the impetus came from this man horsey hoffa head of the small bavarian c.s.u. party the sister party to on the americans can survive c.d.u. medical made him interior minister in march but then he used opposition to undermine merkel's authority the rift began in two thousand and fifteen the year when germany saw a massive influx of refugees in the end nearly one million people came to germany from war torn countries like syria and iraq but also from the balkans and north
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africa many believe the chancellor is someone who could save them from their circumstances then merkel made this statement that defined a pivotal moment in her government. the arms of us bashar fish and us we have achieved so much we can do this since then there have been two sides to the world sees her as the most powerful woman who was close friends with us president barack obama and two other world leaders looked up to. but the other side of angle americal is how our own country sees her the long serving german chancellor head of a grand coalition that few actually wanted in the first place with tensions growing machall stime as chancellor could be coming to an end unless she can close the ranks between the c.d.u. and the c.s.u. from the beginning of the refugee crisis the c.s.u. strongly opposed policy of opening the borders the two party leaders frequently clashed as at the c.s.u. party convention in november two thousand and fifteen you seem to feel. we are
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convinced that this is a story task the integration of. refugees into our society will not win the approval of the german people if we don't have a maximum cap for the number of people allowed into our country. but in fifteen calls. a demand medical was not willing to accept and the rift between the parties became wider and more evident by the day. when this if things go on like this we will have more refugees coming in than last year. the nazis no coordination. the government in berlin does not have a plan field. no matter how you look at it there won't be any other possibility than to limit the number of people coming in the. train because i. have said it before the system is collapsing. in the end it's domestic policies that are
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threatening her tenure the influx of refugees sparked the rise of the right wing populist party in germany making them a real election threat and the various upcoming state elections and that has seen the c.s.u. threatening to break with merkel and the c.d.u. a partnership that has existed since the second world war it's a major policy battle that could ultimately spell the end of magical thirteen years in office. so as we can see a major difference of opinion inside the governing coalition c.s.u. party leader horse they vote for wants to impose stricter border checks but chancellor merkel says her new e.u. asylum plan will curb migration more effectively but what controls are already in place on the border let's have a look. crossing the german border without being checked by the border police may soon be a thing of the past if the interior minister decides in favor of this the authorities
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will have to look more closely again as of monday like here at the very end border crossing in tal august where controls have been in place since twenty fifteen when despite its size. it is the hope for. the federal police of increased border controls along this mine root. canal goal is to ensure an orderly inflow of migrants to prevent human trafficking and to help legal migrants to offer them protection asylum in an orderly fashion can be. even. since the refugee crisis began three years ago the area has become strict along its borders last year alone three hundred smugglers were arrested as well as seven hundred fifty people that were attempting illegal entrants but that's not enough for the interior minister now he wants to deport refugees that have applied for asylum in another country that's been a point of contention within the conservative parties for weeks now is. on the
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person has registered themselves in another country then that country's responsible for the person this because and it's reasonable for that person to be turned back at the german border. in order to do this big area wants to build up its own state border police in addition to the federal forces one thousand extra officers are going to patrol the bavarian frontiers but these plans sound more impressive than they actually are as these new troops won't be on the ground until twenty twenty three. and just a summary of our breaking news story at this hour german interior minister horse a hole for has reportedly offered his resignation from his leadership of the various c.s.u. party a key ally of chancer ongo americal was reportedly unhappy with the migration deal she.

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